Starting to hate WWE promos (SD-related)

[Xero]

Watching SmackDown! right now, the opening promo with Kane, and I'm hating it. They're essentially turning live promos into extended video packages with cut-ins and background music. It makes it seem like literally a soap opera segment than a wrestling promo.

I wouldn't have so much of a problem if this was for one specific character, but other guys are getting this treatment. Jericho, for instance, has different lighting along with other guys. At first I liked it, but the promos like Kane's just completely ruin the whole concept for me.

And it's not just promos. McIntyre's entrance is similar. Although I do actually like it, it seems that this over-produced segment is becoming the norm.

I know this whole stylized production has been kind of gradual (it's been happening for a year or so) but it's just getting to be too much for me. The best way I can put it is that it's late 80s WWF with better production values.

Video below (it's the first promo):
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Discuss this trend.

[Schlomey]

I typically hate over produced segments and angles but I fucking LOVED Kane's segment on Smackdown this week. The flashback vids and the crescendo's in the background music. I don't know why I chose to like this one but it really did add to Kane's demented state and he came off as a fucking psycho. Rarely do I disagree with you but in this instance I'm cool with the overproduction...but as a whole I think your right takes you out of the realism.

[Mr. Pierre]

Wow, that promo was pretty awesome. I didn't mind the music/over production in this case, and I felt it really added to it. I mean, WWE is a circus as it is, I don't think some background music or clips are gonna have anyone take it less serious.

[jskinnyg]

I hate the over production as well, and I had a Love/Hate for the Kane promo as well... I thought what he was saying was a great F'ing promo, but the music was exactly was Xero said, like a soap opera... But then again, I have always said that wrestling is a soap opera for dudes anyway so what the hell...

I just thought the music was not needed at all for the promo that he was cutting... And Kudos to the WWE for letting Kane keep the title for more than a week...

[itsmeJD]

Yeah I usually don't care much for overproduction but I liked the promo...plus it's Kane. The guy had to endure the 2,678 shitty angles they gave him, Katie Vick, being unmasked, etc...I say let em overproduce for him, it'll probably be his last big run on top.

[Schlomey]

Kane was one of the only guys that that kind of thing works for though. It made it even more menacing.

Remember when he debuted and he wrestled with the lights off and a red spot light? Same deal. Not everyone could pull that shit off but luckily he plays such a dark character that it works for him (and undertaker) to have special effects...it is kinda a given with his character.

[XL]

I won't say I didn't notice the music and it was a little jarring/odd at first but all in all I think it really worked for the promo.

It's nothing worse than the shit they pull win Taker (appearing in mirrors so that not only his opponent can see him but so can we!?) all the time.

[itsmeJD]

LOL, kinda like when Warrior was playing "mind games" with Hogan before Havoc 98? That shit was retarded. THAT is the kinda bullshit I could do without.

[Schlomey]

now one overproduced undertaker segment i couldn't stand was when Taker had Teddy Long in the limo...way to much going on in there..it made me cringe.



And all the times Kane is shown backstage under a red light interrogating suspects for undertakers vegetative state....that is lame.

[itsmeJD]

I really keep hoping and praying they're gonna throw a curveball with the vegetative state angle, but it's WWE so of course it will have been Kane all along...

[Schlomey]

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[Kane Knight]

Yeah I usually don't care much for overproduction but I liked the promo...plus it's Kane. The guy had to endure the 2,678 shitty angles they gave him, Katie Vick, being unmasked, etc...I say let em overproduce for him, it'll probably be his last big run on top.

LOL true. For all the shit he's taken with a smile, he should get a full orchestra everywhere he goes.

[jskinnyg]

LOL true. For all the shit he's taken with a smile, he should get a full orchestra everywhere he goes.

Full orchestra... Nice... Buckle UP Teddy!

[RKO'em]

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This was a bit much.

[Juan]

I hope Dolph Ziggler wins the IC title soon.

[VSG]

The 2nd pool needs updating, amigo.

[Juan]

Yes I know this, jerky.

[thedamndest]

That Kane promo would have worked just fine with just the reddish light.

[Xero]

That Kane promo would have worked just fine with just the reddish light.

Agreed.

[TGR]

The overproduction of Kane/UT's work has been one of the last throwbacks of the Attitude era that we've had. It's erring on the side of cheesy nowadays, but it's still something that's been pretty common for those two characters. And yet, UT and Kane dont have any problem pulling such promos off. It's actually entertaining to watch.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I just hate all back-stage segments that pretend they're not being filmed.

[Juan]

Awesome promo

[Xero]

I just hate all back-stage segments that pretend they're not being filmed.

On the flip side, I hate when TNA does the "wait a few minutes talking then "suddenly" notice the camera" angles.

[thedamndest]

Promos that involve wrestlers saying things under the assumption that the opponent will not watch the footage later. Like when Maria thought Dolph was cheating on her. Why didn't she just watch a TiVo'd Smackdown?

[Schlomey]

On the flip side, I hate when TNA does the "wait a few minutes talking then "suddenly" notice the camera" angles.

on the flip side of your flip side I do like TNA's "behind the scenes" type segments where you see people chatting and walking ect....

[jskinnyg]

That Kane promo would have worked just fine with just the reddish light.

Yeah don't fix it if it ain't broken right?

[Savio]

good thing i dont watch smackdown
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lol they should have end smackdown with that 3 minute clip originally

[Black Mask]

It was a good promo.

As others mentioned.... the utter bullshit the character has been through, (Baby with Lita/Loss of said Baby, or 'Offspring' as it were, hasn't been mentioned yet) the guy deserves a legitimate title run. Vince's run was longer in the books then Kane's.... C'mon...

Besides, it was a nice cap to see him get eight minutes of promo time to put over the fact that he's World Champion now, like most champ's do... just, he had background music instead of confetti. Call me crazy but it would have been fucking retarted to have Kane walk out smiling and thanking everyone in sight.

[DaVe]

The overproduction of Kane/UT's work has been one of the last throwbacks of the Attitude era that we've had. It's erring on the side of cheesy nowadays, but it's still something that's been pretty common for those two characters. And yet, UT and Kane dont have any problem pulling such promos off. It's actually entertaining to watch.

Correct.

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It's not a new, WWE, PG, over-production, thing. Wrestling has been a soap opera for 12 years now, so you should probably get used to it.

[screech]

I loved Kane's promo.

The cut-ins were cool, but it still would have been great without them. The light (and music in this case) would have done fine.

Actually, I think I'd like that background music for all of Kane's promos.

[TGR]

Watching (on Shotgun Saturday Night) Undertaker sacrificing Dennis Knight remains one of the most significant parts of my youthful wrestling nostalgia.

I went back and watched it a few weeks ago. It was the cheesiest bunch of crap I've ever seen (though I cant tell if Taker was legit blading himself or Mideon or not), but it was amazingly effective at the time. Although, it was robably the highwater mark for the edgier WWE programming (and may have even triggered the gradual turn to less edgy programming). So there's that too.

[Londoner]

I know what you mean xero, fucking hated Kanes promo.

[FourFifty]

...is that Harley Quinn licking blood off the wall in your sig?

[Lock Jaw]

Loved Kane's promo, complete with music and cut-ins.

And obviously my opinion is the only one that counts.

[snakeskin]

THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT BOOBS

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[Xero]

I agree.

[snakeskin]

I see my thread got closed, I guess
it's my time to make a stand and stop you from constant spamming

[Xero]

You do realize you'll be the one banned, not me, right?

It's how the forums work.

Not even being cocky here, it always works out that way. Anywhere else, I would have been banned long ago. But this isn't "anywhere else".

(Fully expecting a joke ban now, for the record.)

[VSG]

Ok I got another chance for posting in here, what I failed in that other thread. There are Xero-marks and there are these guys:

You fat greasy fuck you should have stayed covered up.

I don't care what anyone says about you, Xero. You know you da man, and to me, all that counts is what's on the inside, and that's a beautiful-in-a-NO HOMO-way, and also hilarious as fuck poster. Keep on keepin' on, bro.

LOLLLL never gonna take another Xero post seriously. Yeah definitely looks like a regular wrestling forum poster. ROFLLLL

Be neither, and you are set of a good run here.

[snakeskin]

You do realize you'll be the one banned, not me, right?

It's how the forums work.

Not even being cocky here, it always works out that way. Anywhere else, I would have been banned long ago. But this isn't "anywhere else".

(Fully expecting a joke ban now, for the record.)

We shall see who get's banned first..

You seem to think it's cool to hijack other peoples
threads, and post spam. yet the moderators on here do nothing
to stop you from doing this...

[thedamndest]

snakeskin, how would you run things if you were a moderator?

[VSG]

He would ban that meat?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They had to make up for the fact that the crowd wasn't really giving a crap about what Kane was saying.

F--- the WWE universe!

Watched the whole thing, and I've got to disagree with on it. Late 80's promos were pretty good in my opinion too.

[snakeskin]

snakeskin, how would you run things if you were a moderator?

Being a moderator of former forums (1 being a very popular forum) in the past
I'd run it spam free...

[VSG]

We need your resume, good sir, and the identity of the afore-mentioned "very popular forum" would help for sure I would think.

[thedamndest]

Yes, which forum did you moderate? Why did you stop modding it? We need to know about all gaps in your modding history before you can be considered for a modding position at TPWW.net.

[snakeskin]

We need your resume, good sir, and the identity of the afore-mentioned "very popular forum" would help for sure I would think.

Why would I need to show you my resume,
I have the experience trust me. I'll tell you right now
the popular forum was not wrestling related but had more
members than this one, and constant new members joining each day.

The forum being Davidicke.co.uk

[CSL]

bahahahaha David Icke. Outstanding.

[thedamndest]

Would the owner of the website (David Icke?) be willing to send us a referral for you?

[snakeskin]

Would the owner of the website (David Icke?) be willing to send us a referral for you?

They possibly would yes.

[CSL]

FUN FACT: I lived in the town David Icke currently resides in for 4 years.

[thedamndest]

Okay, if you can get that forwarded to me I can see that it finds its way to the proper channels here and we can hopefully put this Xero mess behind us.

[CSL]

Maybe 'FUN' was overstating it. 'FACT' was probably more correct.

[thedamndest]

No that was fun.

[thedamndest]

snakeskin, there seems to be a bit about reptilian humanoids on the David Icke wikipedia. Can you explain this concept to me in a more succinct manner? What do I need to know?

[thedamndest]

We may need to take this to Casual because I feel like I am going to have a lot of questions that I need answered in a timely manner.

[snakeskin]

We may need to take this to Casual because I feel like I am going to have a lot of questions that I need answered in a timely manner.

send me a pm instead.

[thedamndest]

I would rather keep it out in the open so that others may submit inquiries as the conversation progresses if that is okay with you.

[snakeskin]

I would rather keep it out in the open so that others may submit inquiries as the conversation progresses if that is okay with you.


Sure go ahead :)

[VSG]

We may need to take this to Casual because I feel like I am going to have a lot of questions that I need answered in a timely manner.

Keep it in here, this is a welcome break from the rest of the forum. Also, I will keep positive repping him just in case someone calls him a troll/jobber. Clearly someone with detailed info on the New World Order and the Illuminati is special.

[snakeskin]

Keep it in here, this is a welcome break from the rest of the forum. Also, I will keep positive repping him just in case someone calls him a troll/jobber. Clearly someone with detailed info on the New World Order and the Illuminati is special.

I was banned from the forum because I did not believe
in the David Icke 9/11 theory. and I was also disallowed to
post in the 9/11 section (while I was a moderator). I also came onto a few cover ups
within the forum it's self...

[VSG]

Ah a moderator who was banned from the forum he was moderating, and all because of a conspiracy you say? May we have more info on these "cover up's" you came onto, and maybe you can use your detective skills to "come onto" more cover up's here.

[Razzamajazz]

:|

[thedamndest]

Well let me see if I have the basics correct. It seems that David Icke experienced a psychic healing and from there began to feel something different. This seems to be the inspiration for his beliefs.

I have heard of Illuminati and New World Order theories before, but I've never heard them where the players are Reptilian Humanoids. So I guess tell me a little about that if you could. What is the ultimate goal(s) of the reptilian humanoid? Why are they here?

[thedamndest]

Okay, I didn't know he had a 9/11 conspiracy theory because it isn't listed on the David Icke wikipedia. Maybe I should have first asked what his key ideas are that you do subscribe to before jumping in with the reptilian humanoid questions.

[VSG]

Ok who deleted that thread in the discussion forum? Just when things were getting interesting!

[thedamndest]

Were answers given? I didn't read it.

[VSG]

No answers were given, he had no chance to do so. I am believing more and more that the secret societies have influence in TPWW as well now.

[thedamndest]

This was Xero's doing.

[VSG]

I always suspected he led a double life and had secret powers, but I never suspected they were on an internet forum.