Heel Turns that didn't help the wrestler [Archive]

Swiss Ultimate

08-12-2010, 12:39 PM

or anyone else for that matter.

Lex Luger's heel turn was bland and pointless. I never thought I could care less about him and it never seemed to help anyone around him, not even Sting (who didn't need the help).

Post your picks here.

Savio

08-12-2010, 12:41 PM

Billy Gunn turns on DX

Loose Cannon

08-12-2010, 12:42 PM

which Luger heel turn? he's done several

The Pope

08-12-2010, 12:45 PM

Santino

Sixx

08-12-2010, 12:46 PM

Goldberg's heel turn. I hardly even remember it, so it must've sucked.

Ultra Mantis

08-12-2010, 12:49 PM

Most recently I would say Shad Gaspard and Primo.

SlickyTrickyDamon

08-12-2010, 12:51 PM

Santino

Lies, Santino was a random face who came out of the crowd to win the IC title. As a heel he became the funniest guy in the history of the WWE. If anything he has hurt his comedy by the fans loving it so much.

Remember when he feud with Stone Cold Steve Austins or the Honky Tonk Mans? By watching this movie we are all a condemned, and The greatest IC champion of all times!

The answer to this question is the British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith. He joined Camp Cornette, but really never fit well as a huge bad guy. When he won the European title he got cheered. The fans wanted him to be a good guy, and it was too late when he came back in 1999 for a short lived face run before going back to heel.

The Pope

08-12-2010, 12:53 PM

What the hell is that!?

BigDaddyCool

08-12-2010, 12:56 PM

Most non-WWF(E) turns from booker Vince Russo are pointless. He never built enough interest in characters before the turn and frequently turned them back and forth to much for it to matter.

bigslimjj

08-12-2010, 12:59 PM

Sting's first heel turn in WCW in 2000 when they had that title tournament and he beat up James J. Dillion. I think the turn lasted about 3 weeks until he was back to face again. Nash has also done it way too many times to count or care about.

RiX1024

08-12-2010, 01:05 PM

Agreed with the Sting bit, same with Goldberg's turn in 2000, I thought HBK's heel turn in 2005 was naff because after his match with Hogan he was face again.

thedamndest

08-12-2010, 01:23 PM

Matt Hardy when he feuded with Jeff. Should have been great but it wasn't and then it was abandoned.

RiX1024

08-12-2010, 01:26 PM

he buggered off and came back as a face.

Gertner

08-12-2010, 01:30 PM

You know a heel turn that I can't believe happened? It was more of a swerve. When Buff Bagwell returned from being nearly paralyzed by Rick Steiner in 1998 I believe.

Buff could have been a HUGE babyface because of this. WCW really dropped the ball on this.

The Goldberg heel turn in WCW was ridiculous.

Schlomey

08-12-2010, 01:31 PM

I came here to mention Shad Gasspard. What a waste.

XCaliber

08-12-2010, 01:33 PM

As of late Primo it did absolutetly nothing for him lol he's still stuck on Superstars for crying out loud.

Lock Jaw

08-12-2010, 01:42 PM

Eugene's one week heel turn where he beat up Jim Duggan and yelled "I'M SPECIAL!"

Gertner

08-12-2010, 01:51 PM

To be fair, Primo was turned heel with Carlito to feud with the Hart Dynasty. Carlito kinda fucked it up.

thedamndest

08-12-2010, 02:10 PM

The Bellas turned on each other for a few weeks. Maybe over one liking Miz and one liking Primo or some combination from those teams.

The Jayman

08-12-2010, 02:16 PM

The Bellas turned on each other for a few weeks. Maybe over one liking Miz and one liking Primo or some combination from those teams.

1 went with The Colons, the other went with Miz/Morrison

DAMN iNATOR

08-12-2010, 02:30 PM

Looks like Kane's about to turn heel without becoming any less bland and dull, as his promos have already been elevated to another level as a face.

Attitude99

08-12-2010, 02:45 PM

Kane obviously. DX which means X-Pac, Road Dogg And Billy. Rikishi sucked as heel too.

Next Big Thing

08-12-2010, 02:48 PM

Rikishi's in the long run. Especially after HHH revealed himself as the master planner.

Scott Hall in WCW

Gertner

08-12-2010, 03:06 PM

But he did it for the Rock

Cuse8

08-12-2010, 03:12 PM

that time ric flair turned heel..

KIRA

08-12-2010, 04:14 PM

Shes not a wrestler but Linda McMahon's heel turn was just like every other time shes on screen a coma inducing waste of time

a sidenote: Rikishis heel turn is one of my friend and I's absolute fave bad heel turns it was made 100 times better/worse by his "why I did it" speech and his theme music

Domino

08-12-2010, 04:17 PM

All these are good, except for the Bellas. I thought we were talking about wrestlers, thed. Haha.

Xero

08-12-2010, 04:18 PM

Shes not a wrestler but Linda McMahon's heel turn was just like every other time shes on screen a coma inducing waste of time

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It gave us this campaign commercial. I must say that it was well worth it.

Jordan

08-12-2010, 04:43 PM

Goldberg's heel turn in WCW was a horrible, horrible decision.

On the flip side I desperately did not want Austin to turn heel and join with McMahon, but he did a great job that summer, and totally added new layers to the character. So I don't consider that a bad turn, I just really didn't want it to happen.

I think they had Angle as a face during that time, which I also didn't want to happen. But it was well played.

blak23

08-12-2010, 04:58 PM

the rocks brief turn when he came back and called christian the new peoples champ

Lock Jaw

08-12-2010, 05:08 PM

STAND BACK! THERE'S A HEEL TURN COMING THROUGH!!!

.... But then there really wasn't. (At least not for awhile still)

Loose Cannon

08-12-2010, 05:08 PM

Austin turned heel, then turned babyface, then turned back to heel and then by the end of 2001, turned babyface again.

Loose Cannon

08-12-2010, 05:09 PM

well his 1st babyface turn was kind of by default since he was with the WWF in the feud with WCW

McLegend

08-12-2010, 05:19 PM

Austin heel turn at WM17 should be number 1 on this list.

Nicky Fives

08-12-2010, 06:10 PM

Goldberg in WCW is the first to come to mind.....

DLVH84

08-12-2010, 06:15 PM

The Pope

08-12-2010, 06:17 PM

Austin heel turn at WM17 should be number 1 on this list.

He wasn't heel, they were just two babyfaces. Like John Cena vs Lashley.

Vastardikai

08-12-2010, 06:23 PM

Actually, the Sting heel turn in WCW occurred at Fall Brawl in September 1999.

The Montage explaining Sting's heel turn was laughably bad. I think they even tried to blame him for inventing the NWO, the Exon Valdez oil spill, and the creation of cancer.

bigslimjj

08-12-2010, 06:43 PM

Actually, the Sting heel turn in WCW occurred at Fall Brawl in September 1999. Your right. The Mayhem tourney was a little while after that. I rember he beat up JJ the next night on Nitro. I had kind of checked out on WCW by that time really. Thanks for the correction.:y:

Domino

08-12-2010, 08:39 PM

He wasn't heel, they were just two babyfaces. Like John Cena vs Lashley.

Yeah, and Austin turned heel at the end.

SlickyTrickyDamon

08-12-2010, 08:52 PM

Emperor Smeat

08-12-2010, 09:03 PM

Would David Arquette heel turn count since it ended up lasting about a week before he left WCW and did nothing besides let Jeff Jarrett have the WCW title belt over DDP.

Nark Order

08-12-2010, 09:57 PM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/33661152_58870ef259.jpg

rated rjo

08-13-2010, 12:40 AM

Austin turned heel, then turned babyface, then turned back to heel and then by the end of 2001, turned babyface again.

beat me to it.

Droford

08-13-2010, 12:52 AM

Jim Duggan joining Team Canada

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/j/jimduggan/14.jpg

He looks a little like Penn Jillette there

Xerzes

08-13-2010, 05:01 AM

picture of Rob Conway

When the crap was Conway a face in WWE? He was in La Resistance, then he moved on to having the greatest terrible entrance music of all time. Heel and heel.

owenbrown

08-13-2010, 05:43 AM

Jim Duggan joining Team Canada

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/j/jimduggan/14.jpg

He looks a little like Penn Jillette there

Unnecessary heel turns are BULLSHIT!

Cool King

08-13-2010, 06:52 AM

When the crap was Conway a face in WWE? He was in La Resistance, then he moved on to having the greatest terrible entrance music of all time. Heel and heel.

I actually liked his entrance music. :(

whiteyford

08-13-2010, 01:04 PM

All of Stings heel turns pretty much failed, always seemed the same as Goldbergs, just being done as a swerve with no real thought behind them.

Lock Jaw

08-13-2010, 02:27 PM

Brooklyn Brawler's heel turn as the Boston Brawler.

Man, that went absolutely NOWHERE! It coulda been HUGE! :shifty:

DaveBrawl

08-13-2010, 02:39 PM

He should of thrown Don Zimmer to the ground, that would of completed it.

Rollermacka

08-13-2010, 04:00 PM

Jim Duggan joining Team Canada

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/j/jimduggan/14.jpg

He looks a little like Penn Jillette there

Vince Russo heel turns are BULLSHIT!

:shifty:

My choice, "King Mabel". Men On a Mission was pretty bad (I remember Mo made Mabel look like a cat by comparision in the ring) and PN News could rap circles around both of them. I read King Mabel was gonna be this new Super Monster Heel to feud with Diesel but it did work out that way.

Jeritron

08-13-2010, 04:05 PM

Kane obviously. DX which means X-Pac, Road Dogg And Billy. Rikishi sucked as heel too.

I think the DX heel faction would have worked much better if they re-invented the outlaws.
HHH obviously worked as The Game, and X-Pac had a new heel gimmick where he was a little slimeball that was hooking up with Kane's girlfriend. He actually got a tremendous amount of heat there.
I just think the Outlaws kinda watered it down by going through their normal act. The fans still cheered them in their matches and they played to them when they weren't out there with HHH.
They should have abandoned the flash and been a more ruthless, no nonsense tag team

Nark Order

08-13-2010, 04:10 PM

When the crap was Conway a face in WWE? He was in La Resistance, then he moved on to having the greatest terrible entrance music of all time. Heel and heel.

La Resistance was face in Canada. :shifty:

Lock Jaw

08-13-2010, 04:36 PM

La Resistance was face in Canada. :shifty:

Only in Quebec, though.

mike adamle

12-15-2012, 12:08 AM

CM Punk in 2012

owenbrown

12-15-2012, 12:21 AM

*insert wrestler from OCW or Parsons here*

Bad News Gertner

12-15-2012, 12:33 AM

Owenbrown

Shisen Kopf

12-15-2012, 01:02 AM

*insert wrestler from OCW or Parsons here*

Hey don't talk bad about parsons. Many people have said that Fluffy the emo straight edge is a modern day Bobby Jaggers.

Swiss Ultimate

02-14-2013, 12:20 PM

So good.

Arrogance

02-14-2013, 01:23 PM

Stone Cold Steve Austin turning heel...pointless.

CSL

02-14-2013, 02:01 PM

outside of the "being refreshing, excellent and hugely entertaining" part, pointless indeed

Savio

02-14-2013, 03:28 PM

It would have been better if he stayed face.

Anybody Thrilla

02-14-2013, 04:13 PM

Did anybody say Shad Gaspard?

Savio

02-14-2013, 04:20 PM

Yes

Anybody Thrilla

02-14-2013, 04:26 PM

Good

CSL

02-14-2013, 05:09 PM

It would have been better if he stayed face.

his heel character was the best part/saving grace of the entire Invasion angle

Lock Jaw

02-14-2013, 05:48 PM

Also, one of the only times I enjoyed Stone Cold.

Inadequacy

02-14-2013, 06:13 PM

Lies, Santino was a random face who came out of the crowd to win the IC title. As a heel he became the funniest guy in the history of the WWE. If anything he has hurt his comedy by the fans loving it so much.

Remember when he feud with Stone Cold Steve Austins or the Honky Tonk Mans? By watching this movie we are all a condemned, and The greatest IC champion of all times!

The answer to this question is the British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith. He joined Camp Cornette, but really never fit well as a huge bad guy. When he won the European title he got cheered. The fans wanted him to be a good guy, and it was too late when he came back in 1999 for a short lived face run before going back to heel.

I kept reading the second half of this post in Santinos voice.

Rhaps

02-14-2013, 08:30 PM

Jim Ross.

Not a wrestler, but still. No point whatsoever.

Savio

02-14-2013, 08:50 PM

his heel character was the best part/saving grace of the entire Invasion angle
oh I mean he should have stayed face after WM17

Classy and Gassy

02-15-2013, 10:42 AM

the Goodfather

Shisen Kopf

02-15-2013, 11:17 AM

Big Shows fourth heel turn

RiX1024

02-15-2013, 03:57 PM

Val Venis joining Right to Censor, even though he was heel already.

Jp69

02-15-2013, 05:31 PM

The Road Warriors when they turned on Dusty Rhodes. Seemed pointless to me but I was drifting away from the NWA around that time, wasn't quite the same to me once Ted Turner took it from the Crocketts. JMO

Mjdiesel

02-17-2013, 02:09 AM

two come to mind...around '02, booker t randomly joining forces with vince mcmahon and the two hanging out in a luxury suit above the arena at a couple of events and trish stratus kicking then-friend-lover jericho in the balls at wrestlemania.

Lock Jaw

02-17-2013, 02:24 AM

Trish's heel run was pretty fantastic.

Tom Guycott

02-17-2013, 04:22 AM

Just the sado-masochism portion of it with her and Christian was a bit... weird. Not in a good, heat drawing way either.

Also:

Lies, Santino was a random face who came out of the crowd to win the IC title. As a heel he became the funniest guy in the history of the WWE. If anything he has hurt his comedy by the fans loving it so much.

Remember when he feud with Stone Cold Steve Austins or the Honky Tonk Mans? By watching this movie we are all a condemned, and The greatest IC champion of all times!

The answer to this question is the British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith. He joined Camp Cornette, but really never fit well as a huge bad guy. When he won the European title he got cheered. The fans wanted him to be a good guy, and it was too late when he came back in 1999 for a short lived face run before going back to heel.

brought forth:

http://img.youtube.com/vi/J3VpC_n7TVE/0.jpg

So, it can't be that bad and should never have been included on this list.

Corporate CockSnogger

02-17-2013, 08:04 AM

The Montage explaining Sting's heel turn was laughably bad. I think they even tried to blame him for inventing the NWO, the Exon Valdez oil spill, and the creation of cancer.

I remembered this promo upon reading this thread and I had to find it. Imagine if they would've gone through with the whole conspiracy angle and had Sting behind everything gone wrong in WCW.

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erickman

02-17-2013, 08:41 AM

All of Stings heel turns pretty much failed, always seemed the same as Goldbergs, just being done as a swerve with no real thought behind them.

yeah i agree sting should never be a heel, i will ad aj styles flair could not even make him a good heel. on goldberg that shows how vince russo is.