So Where Are All The Orton Haters Now???

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah, what's up :) You guys need to stop drinking the Orton Haterade cause I just watched Orton put on a FK'N masterpiece for god sakes. That match was the sh**. You got to give a ton of credit to Foley too. But after watching that ***** star match, I think we can all honestly say that Orton is now the TRUE HARDCORE LEGEND KILLER. Believe It!!!! The I.C. Title just got a whole lot more prestigious too IMO. Now the WWE needs to set up a long drawn out feud between Orton and Benjamin for the Title. This feud should resemble HHH/Rock back in 98.

But for now Randy Orton Rules the WWE. :yes:

[Kane Knight]

OMG STFU ORTON SUX0RZ

[Moongoose Mcqueen]

I always liked Orton a lot, but that match just gave him huge ups. I thought for sure Foley was gonna take the fall on the thumbtacks, and they proved me wrong.

[Sephiroth]

I never said shit about Orton, he is a great skilled wrestler IMO.

[Loose Cannon]

OMG STFU ORTON SUX0RZ

Thou Shall Not use Negativity when using the name ORTON.

[Nark Order]

Loose, I'm sorry I ever doubted you. Orton is the shit...

[Kane Knight]

Thou Shall Not use Negativity when using the name ORTON.
;)

[Shadow]

My opinion shall be shaped by what he does tonight.

[Tornado]

<font color=#33ffff>I havn't seen Backlash yet, but from what I heard, Orton stepped it up a level.</font>

[Rock Bottom]

*Crushes your feelings* I dunno I was too busy marking out over Shawn tapping to the Sharpshooter to care.

Kidding, best match I seen in a while, been downloading little clips here and there.

[Vastardikai]

It was a good match, no doubt. The Million Dollar Question is: Can he keep the momentum of that match?

He had a good day after Wrestlemania, getting good heat, but he was a heatless wonder again going into Backlash. Can he keep the heat he has gained going for longer than a month without being fed a retiree, that's the big question...

*Sorry, Nowhere isn't anywhere in sight, so I have to be the one to play Devil's Advocate.*

[Splaya]

Loose I never doubted Orton. I've always Marked out for him. :shifty:

[TheJShow]

Orton has always been the man, he just proved it last night.

[Rob]

Sod it, I'll doubt him. Okay he has had one major good match with Shawn Michaels (who has never had a bad match in his life) and one with Mick Foley (whose tracked record of making stars is second to none). When he starts having good matches PPV after PPV like the real top stars do then I'll give him his due.

I like the guy but I'm not overhyping him.

[Azriel]

Orton is the man and always'll be the man.

[Suicidal Icon]

Do you get the same feeling you get towards Orton when you see girls?

[PureHatred]

Orton stepped it up. Very impressive. More than likely though, he's going to have to carry his next feud. No more Mick Foley or Ric Flair to draw heat; if he can keep up the momentum and draw heat on his own, I'm sold.

[Nowhere Man]

It was a good match, no doubt. The Million Dollar Question is: Can he keep the momentum of that match?

He had a good day after Wrestlemania, getting good heat, but he was a heatless wonder again going into Backlash. Can he keep the heat he has gained going for longer than a month without being fed a retiree, that's the big question...

*Sorry, Nowhere isn't anywhere in sight, so I have to be the one to play Devil's Advocate.*

Well, I'm here now, but you basically said what I was going to.

First off, I don't particularly hate on Orton; I just rip on him because it annoys LC. And yeah, the Foley match was awesome, although I really wish it hadn't been for the I-C Title so it wouldn't have been so blatantly obvious that Orton would win. I also loved his matches with Rob Van Dam and HBK.

I don't think Orton's a bad worker by any stretch of the imagination; it's just that I think he shouldn't be a quasi-main eventer just yet. It doesn't have to do with all of that "paying your dues" bullshit either. It's just that he can't seem to get any heat. He was given DDP's finisher because it was sure to get a reaction. He had Shawn Michaels put him over. Mick Foley came out of retirement to put him over, twice. Even with all of that, he's only getting mild reactions at best. If that gimmick had gone to someone like, say, Christian, I'd be willing to bet he could've taken that a hell of a lot farther than Orton. So far, aside from the bloodbath last night, all Orton's had going for him is his ability to cut a bland promo and smirk, or more frequently, stand around and smirk while Ric Flair cuts a better promo.

All that being said, Foley's still > Orton, but that was one hell of a match.

[Loose Cannon]

Do you get the same feeling you get towards Orton when you see girls?

A wise guy huh. Well I guess some people just can't be converted. I am giving you positive because that comment did make me chuckle a little. But think of the rep as a gift from the Legend Killer.

And to answer the question, it depends on the girl. Is she willing to declare her allegience to the Church of Orton by recieving an RKO? Well unless she's Trish, Gail, Victoria, Angelina Jolie, Jessica Biel etc....., or any other hot girl around the Tri State area, then it's cool.

[Rob]

Do you get the same feeling you get towards Orton when you see girls?

Probably not if he's gay :p

Sorry LC, had to say it.

[Loose Cannon]

Probably not if he's gay :p

Sorry LC, had to say it.

Nah, my constant putting of Mr. Randy Orton over is just out of respect to the enormous amount of talent he brings to the ring each week. ;)

And Nowhere Man, that was a nice little speech you made up there. You're on your way my friend to the path of Ortonighteousness.

[BasicThuganomics]

So LC, Rob pretty much put Orton in his place, how do you respond to that?

Do you disagree?

[Shaggy]

Orton has been one of my favorites for a long time. Ever since he hurt his arm and had the whole email thing and interrupted stuff that made him become a heel. I thought that it was genious. I would love to comment on the ass kicking he did last night that I have heard about but sadly after we orderd the ppv it started to mess up on us. We couldnt get a picture or sound. Damn I hate warner cable. Oh well.

[Moongoose Mcqueen]

Orton has been one of my favs for a while now, but I'm really looking forward to tonight and the next few months or however long HHH is gone, because he will probably step up as the leader of Evolution and put together an awsome IC title run, much like the Rock in 98.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Orton was always one of the best. In my book he was four and a half stars, but now he's definately 5, IMO. He keeps up the workrate he put out at Backlash, he'll be the World Heavyweight Championbefore he loses the IC Title. :y:

[The CyNick]

Posted this in another thread, but its releavnt here too:

Foley did his job it sounds like, but I wonder if they will do right with Orton post-Backlash. Going by house shows, it would seem that Orton is getting stuck with Benjamin, but I feel that will hurt him at this point. Orton just beat a legend, and IMO (just going by reports) he's now a main event level guy. As such, he should be programmed with main event level guys. The only two guys on SD that fit the bill are Benoit or HBK. If they go with HBK (which is logical) then what do they do with Benoit? HHH is leaving, Kane is dead, and Christian isn't ready. So it would seem to me that they will go to HBK-Benoit and Benjamin-Orton. Again, I feel this will hurt Orton, because even thought Benjamin got a couple of big wins, he's nowhere near main event level. If they do go with Orton-Benjamin, Orton had better kill Benjamin (which will hurt Shelton) in order to continue his push to the top.

With Hunter leaving, its probably not the worst idea to just go ahead and put the World Title on Orton in June. I dont think thats where they will go, but at this point Orton shouldn't go down a notch because then that would make what Foley did pointless. Orotn could then be programmed with HBK (for the World title) and then when HHH returns he would come back to Orton as the new World Champ, and that would lead to the Evolution split.

[Corkscrewed]

Orton really proved a lot more. I never hated him, but I wasn't a fanatic. But that was one heck of a match. I guess he can put on a classic when he feels like it. Lets hope he does this a lot more. :D

[Moongoose Mcqueen]

Well hes not gonna be facing Foley and taking thumbtack bumps every week or month, they just need to give him a good push with solid opponents and get him in some interesting fueds, and he'll supply the rest. I'm looking forward to a possible HHH/Orton power struggle when HHH comes back.

[Cactus Sid]

An Orton/Flair fued next perhaps?

[Dave Youell]

I admit that i wasn't an Orton fan, however he really impressed me last night and i'm not afrid to change my mind

[Loose Cannon]

Posted this in another thread, but its releavnt here too:

Foley did his job it sounds like, but I wonder if they will do right with Orton post-Backlash. Going by house shows, it would seem that Orton is getting stuck with Benjamin, but I feel that will hurt him at this point. Orton just beat a legend, and IMO (just going by reports) he's now a main event level guy. As such, he should be programmed with main event level guys. The only two guys on SD that fit the bill are Benoit or HBK. If they go with HBK (which is logical) then what do they do with Benoit? HHH is leaving, Kane is dead, and Christian isn't ready. So it would seem to me that they will go to HBK-Benoit and Benjamin-Orton. Again, I feel this will hurt Orton, because even thought Benjamin got a couple of big wins, he's nowhere near main event level. If they do go with Orton-Benjamin, Orton had better kill Benjamin (which will hurt Shelton) in order to continue his push to the top.

With Hunter leaving, its probably not the worst idea to just go ahead and put the World Title on Orton in June. I dont think thats where they will go, but at this point Orton shouldn't go down a notch because then that would make what Foley did pointless. Orotn could then be programmed with HBK (for the World title) and then when HHH returns he would come back to Orton as the new World Champ, and that would lead to the Evolution split.


Can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here CyNick. I know your next reply to this will shoot me down by whatever. Anyway, I think an Orton/Benjamin feud would be the best thing for thr two guys right now IMO. Orton and Benjamin seem to be on the same paths as HHH and Rock were back in 98 when the Nation and DX were feuding. Both men had a feud and after their feud was finished, they put themselves in a position where you just had to consider them maineventers.

With Orton and Benjamin, I myself see them as equal. I know people may see different, but I still don't see Orton as bigger then Benjamin yet. Benjamin has been putting on a show these last few months which started with that gounlet on Smackdown. In a time where long term booking takes a back seat to short term booking and in a time where most fans probably don't even remember what Orton did back before the Rumble, I can see fans viewing Benjamin on the same level as Orton just because Benjamin beat HHH on National TV. People are definantely going to remember that win for a while.

Now, I think Orton and Benjamin should have a long drawn out feud. And maybe, as I had mentioned before, Benjamin goes and gets himself a stable which he can lead. This would then resemble HHH/Rock to the fullest. Then down the line they have that big blowoff match, ladder match maybe, which Benjamin would take the title. During all this we see the HHH/Orton split developing which would lead to Orton/HHH at Mania 21.

Just a thought.

[Savio]

Do you get the same feeling you get towards Orton when you see girls?
I do ;)
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I thought orton would fall in the tacks or get hit with barbed wire but he showed me good for him.

[Rob]

I actually do like the idea of Orton vs. Shelton next. I don't think Orton is ready for the big time push right now. His in ring performances don't warrant it in my opinion. He is good no doubt and he is full of potential but right now, that's all it is. People want new stars and they deserve them but some people are going to have to be patient because there isn't anyone out there now with the possible exceptions of Jericho and Christian who can step up.

I'd certainly go for Christian in a top spot before Orton right now.

[Rain Man]

Randy Orton is by far the greatest wrestler in the WWE in the past 2 years, he binrgs everything to the table! A great gimmick, awesome wrestler, and he can compete in any match showing what he can go through from last nite man it brings tears

[Watson]

I got 3 Words: FU</>CK RANDY ORTON

[The Duck]

The only other guy (other than Benjamin) to potentially feud with Orton is Jericho. I hope to see the Christian-Jericho story-line continue (even past tonight, when they're booked to go one on one) so a Benjamin feud would seem logical. It would serve as a real test for Randy in terms of drawing heat, the seeds for the feud are already there. Should Orton go over Benjamin (long, draw-out, hard-fought win at Bad Blood?) then there's the potential for a jealously story-line when Hunter returns (the fact that Orton beat Benjamin but neither HHH or Flair could).

My big gripe is the proposed Benoit-HBK feud. I'm tired of that already and Benoit went over Shawn clean last night. The premise for the feud (in terms of Michaels deserving ANOTHER title shot?) just isn't there and it's my view that Benoit could do with moving on to something new. What that is I'm not quite sure. Maybe Christian could step-up (make a Y2J-Christian match #1 contenders - Christian goes over clean) and let Benoit-Christian go for the title at Bad Blood with a stacked under-card (Jericho-Michaels gimmick match, Orton-Benjamin, Edge, Flair, HHH etc all involved somewhere)?

[Loose Cannon]

So LC, Rob pretty much put Orton in his place, how do you respond to that?

Do you disagree?

Well I'll go into Lance Storm mode and be serious for a moment to respond to Rob's post.

I definately agree with Rob in that Orton needs to keep up his momentum he's got going for him right now. He needs to keep putting on awesome matches and he really needs to start delievering kick ass promos. The promo thing will only get better with time, but they shouldn't push him all the way up to the main spot just yet. Like I said, they should do Orton/Benjamin for a couple of months and then he goes into Mania 21 looking like a main eventer going against Trips.

[BasicThuganomics]

I actually do like the idea of Orton vs. Shelton next. I don't think Orton is ready for the big time push right now. His in ring performances don't warrant it in my opinion. He is good no doubt and he is full of potential but right now, that's all it is. People want new stars and they deserve them but some people are going to have to be patient because there isn't anyone out there now with the possible exceptions of Jericho and Christian who can step up.

I'd certainly go for Christian in a top spot before Orton right now.

I agree, because I would love to see Christian move up to the main event. He's been a better talent than most on RAW for along time now. He could easily be pushed as a top guy. He doesn't need anyone else to get him over, he can do it on his own. As good as Orton is right now, Christian is definately better IMO.

[Fox]

Randy Orton DID NOT make that match last night. That match was pure, 100% Foley. I can almost gaurantee you that all of the big spots and the storytelling in that match were created by Mick Foley. The guy writes novels for christ's sake!

I won't put anything against that match, because it was, without a doubt, the best match that I've seen in a long, long time. It may in fact be my favorite Mick Foley match now. But the fact is that Randy Orton didn't prove anything to me last night. Sure, the guy took some serious bumps, but so did Jeff Hardy, and it didn't mean shit in the long run.

I won't deny that Randy has talent in the ring, but that match last night didn't prove a thing. He's really only had two great matches in his short WWE career, and they've been against guys who can carry anybody (HBK and Foley). When Randy becomes constantly impressive in the ring (like Benoit, Jericho, Angle, etc), then I'll sing his praises. But not today. Not yet.

[Evolution]

I've always thought Randy had the potential, but from what I've heard about last night, it seems as though he might finally be able to get heat without Evolution behind him.

Convert me, Loose Cannon!

*Prepares for RKO*

[The One]

I have said I thought Randy Orton was (in the long run) the best of the "Newbie Pushes" (Brock, Orton, Rico, Cena). Brock proved that his long term good to the company isn't that great, and I personally think Cena is going to peak pretty soon, Rico bombs, and then we have Orton. I like the kid. 3rd generation star, and no I don't think he is great right now, and in all honesty I am not sure he deserved the IC Title already, however I see much growth in him since he came already. To start calling him "The next..." whoever is a bit premature, I just see this kid with an incredible future ahead of him...and last night he showed he is willing to step it up.

I guess my final judgement of him will come when he gets his first face push...

[Shadow]

Well...I'm sorry to say that after tonight, Orton has actually gone up a few notches in my viewpoint. Not enough to truely redeam him for me but...he's going up. After his first face push, then we'll see.

[MVP]

Alright LC I'll finally admit it, Orton is the man.

I never thought he could pull off the Hardcore Legend gimmick until last night, but I was wrong.

[MVP]

Anyways Orton and Jericho ought to feud for the IC title. I think both of them would have great chemistry one-on-one in the ring, and on the mic. Since Jericho was once a main eventer :(. Orton should get at least one clean and one cheap win over Jericho on RAW, and then job the IC title to Jericho at Great American Bash.

What I see happening with that is Jericho can join forces with Benoit and Edge and form a Canadian stable with control of all the RAW titles; assuming that Benoit and Edge are still tag team champs at that point (somewhere down the line maybe Trish could turn face, win the women's title and join them as well). You may think that giving Jericho the IC title will further bury him, but in my opinion Jericho has been misused too badly to be a credible main eventer now, but he can sure as hell put Orton and Christian over to the main event scene.

I'm going to get flamed for saying that. :mad:

[The CyNick]

Can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here CyNick. I know your next reply to this will shoot me down by whatever. Anyway, I think an Orton/Benjamin feud would be the best thing for thr two guys right now IMO. Orton and Benjamin seem to be on the same paths as HHH and Rock were back in 98 when the Nation and DX were feuding. Both men had a feud and after their feud was finished, they put themselves in a position where you just had to consider them maineventers.

With Orton and Benjamin, I myself see them as equal. I know people may see different, but I still don't see Orton as bigger then Benjamin yet. Benjamin has been putting on a show these last few months which started with that gounlet on Smackdown. In a time where long term booking takes a back seat to short term booking and in a time where most fans probably don't even remember what Orton did back before the Rumble, I can see fans viewing Benjamin on the same level as Orton just because Benjamin beat HHH on National TV. People are definantely going to remember that win for a while.

Now, I think Orton and Benjamin should have a long drawn out feud. And maybe, as I had mentioned before, Benjamin goes and gets himself a stable which he can lead. This would then resemble HHH/Rock to the fullest. Then down the line they have that big blowoff match, ladder match maybe, which Benjamin would take the title. During all this we see the HHH/Orton split developing which would lead to Orton/HHH at Mania 21.

Just a thought.

Well I dont see how you can say Orotn and Benjamin are on the same level. I mean I watched Backlash earlier today and Orton looked like a main event player by beating Foley convincingly in a hardcore match, while Benjamin looked like an opening card guy beating a guy that nobody takes seriously anymore.

The difference between HHH and Rock from 98 to Benjamin-Orton in 04 is that niether HHH or Rock had beat anyone of significance when they were feuding. HHH was the hip babyface pissing on bikes and what not, while Rock's biggest win to that point was against Ken Shamrock. The two were able to battle one another and used each other to get to a higher level.

With Orton, Mania and moreso Backlash put him on a whole different level from Benajmin. yeah Shelton got a fluky win over HHH on TV, but it wasn't done in a way to make Shelton look superior to HHH. Whereas Orton in two straight PPVs clenaly defeated one of the most beloved superstars in WWE history. There is a huge difference.

My fear with Orton is that if they dont capitalize on his momentum quickly, people will forget about the Foley feud (attention span of the audience is so low its scary) and all of Foley's hard work will be lost.

If you put Orton with Benjamin thats a step down for Orton, and if Benjamin were to win, well that would likely kill Orton dead. I just dont think Shelton is over enough, and he has yet to get a convincing enough win over a top guy to make him even with Orton.

It seems that on RAW they decided to go in another direction for Orton with Edge. Edge is a decent choice, but only if Orton continues to go over.

This isn't like 5 or 10 years ago when you can build up a guy for 2 years and then main event them, you have to strike while the iron is hot, or else people will forget and move on to someone else.

[Paki Crippler]

I'll give both Orton and Foley credit, it was very good match. The bumps were a plus, but the heat and phsycology were great IMO. **** match.

[TheNamelessOne]

I've got 3 things to say about Randy Orton - Bland, bland and bland.

[Mikey]

I heard some Randy chants when he cut his promo on Raw

[Watson]

I've got 3 things to say about Randy Orton - Bland, bland and bland.



:y:

[Loose Cannon]

Well I dont see how you can say Orotn and Benjamin are on the same level. I mean I watched Backlash earlier today and Orton looked like a main event player by beating Foley convincingly in a hardcore match, while Benjamin looked like an opening card guy beating a guy that nobody takes seriously anymore.

The difference between HHH and Rock from 98 to Benjamin-Orton in 04 is that niether HHH or Rock had beat anyone of significance when they were feuding. HHH was the hip babyface pissing on bikes and what not, while Rock's biggest win to that point was against Ken Shamrock. The two were able to battle one another and used each other to get to a higher level.

With Orton, Mania and moreso Backlash put him on a whole different level from Benajmin. yeah Shelton got a fluky win over HHH on TV, but it wasn't done in a way to make Shelton look superior to HHH. Whereas Orton in two straight PPVs clenaly defeated one of the most beloved superstars in WWE history. There is a huge difference.

My fear with Orton is that if they dont capitalize on his momentum quickly, people will forget about the Foley feud (attention span of the audience is so low its scary) and all of Foley's hard work will be lost.

If you put Orton with Benjamin thats a step down for Orton, and if Benjamin were to win, well that would likely kill Orton dead. I just dont think Shelton is over enough, and he has yet to get a convincing enough win over a top guy to make him even with Orton.

It seems that on RAW they decided to go in another direction for Orton with Edge. Edge is a decent choice, but only if Orton continues to go over.

This isn't like 5 or 10 years ago when you can build up a guy for 2 years and then main event them, you have to strike while the iron is hot, or else people will forget and move on to someone else.


Yeah I forgot about Edge when I wrote this. Actually, my first choice when typing something like this a month or two ago was Edge. So I guess Orton/Edge is definately better then Orton/Benjamin.

[Ferocious]

*RKO me LC* I'm almost won over one more feud where he gets his own heat and I'm prepared to believe the hype

[BigDaddyCool]

I still hate Orton. Ok, he had a decent match at Manina, but lets not forget it was with Rock, Foley, and Flair. And he had a good hardcore "shi</>t" match with the king of hardcore "s</>hit" matches. He is still crappy at promos and needs to be carried into being entertaining. HBK carried his first fued, Foley carried his second. Until Orton has yet to prove he can pull his own wieght, let alone carry a feud, I still be hating Orton.

[BigDaddyCool]

O, and Orton vs. Edge sounds boring as hell. Edge sucks without Christian.

[Loose Cannon]

I still hate Orton. Ok, he had a decent match at Manina, but lets not forget it was with Rock, Foley, and Flair. And he had a good hardcore "shi</>t" match with the king of hardcore "s</>hit" matches. He is still crappy at promos and needs to be carried into being entertaining. HBK carried his first fued, Foley carried his second. Until Orton has yet to prove he can pull his own wieght, let alone carry a feud, I still be hating Orton.

But your the same guy that hates Benoit, and I see that you don't like Edge from your post above, but you seem to be a mark for Kevin Nash. I mean, I don't think I will ever be able to convert you to join the Church of Orton with that Resume.

[Watson]

I still hate Orton. Ok, he had a decent match at Manina, but lets not forget it was with Rock, Foley, and Flair. And he had a good hardcore "shi</>t" match with the king of hardcore "s</>hit" matches. He is still crappy at promos and needs to be carried into being entertaining. HBK carried his first fued, Foley carried his second. Until Orton has yet to prove he can pull his own wieght, let alone carry a feud, I still be hating Orton.


Finally somebody who shares my views on Orton. Hell yeah and here I thought I was the only poster on TPWW that hated Orton. Dude I would rep you but I gotta spread some reputation before I can rep you again, but I owe you one. :y:

[Nowhere Man]

Finally somebody who shares my views on Orton. Hell yeah and here I thought I was the only poster on TPWW that hated Orton. Dude I would rep you but I gotta spread some reputation before I can rep you again, but I owe you one. :y:

Ummm...so what have I been this whole time? Chopped liver?

Yeah, I gave the guy props for having a good hardcore match with the guy who absolutely defines hardcore (second maybe only to Terry Funk), but I'm still no fan of the guy.

I forget who said it (I think it was in one of Austin's shoot interviews), but there are three kinds of wrestlers: workers, leaders, and followers. Workers have just the bare-bones skills, but aren't too easy to work with. Leaders know how to put together an awesome match with just about anybody. Followers can be entertaining, but only if they have a good Leader to work off of.

From what I've seen, Orton's a Follower. The only matches he's had that were worth remembering were against Shawn Michaels, the Rock, and Mick Foley, all of whom are known for being Leaders in the ring. If he can pull off matches of that caliber with someone who needs to be carried (like, say, Batista), then I'll give him credit. Still, the only thing I remember more than that was that awfully botched RKO leading up to Mania. I have no doubt that he has the potential to become an awesome worker. But potential doesn't sell tickets. So until then, I'm still waiting to be impressed.

[blake639raw]

But your the same guy that hates Benoit, and I see that you don't like Edge from your post above, but you seem to be a mark for Kevin Nash. I mean, I don't think I will ever be able to convert you to join the Church of Orton with that Resume. *marks out for The Church of Orton*

[BigDaddyCool]

Yes, I'm the same guy that hate Beniot, and I don't really care for Edge with out Christian. I don't see what any of that has to do with anything. I like Cena and Eddie, but you didn't bring that up. Plus the Church of Bischoff is far better than you crappy Orton Shrine.

[ItsTimeForAChange]

Got to admit Loose, I thought Orton was completely worthless.

I stand corrected, he put on a really good match at Backlash.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I've liked Orton since back in the days of Smackdown, however I think personally he may or may not be ready, and the only way to find out is to put him in another high profile situation. If he can make this apparent feud with Edge one to remember, he's ready, but if it flops, then I don't think he is.

[BasicThuganomics]

BDC, the thing is you're making it sound like Orton completely sucks. And he doesn't. He isn't the best thing in the WWE right now by any means and he isn't ready for main events yet. But do you honestly think that Orton doesn't have potential to be really good, and that he hasn't at least been somewhat impressive considering he's new to the business?

I think everyone on here should be able to agree that if Orton continues to develop and improve like he has been over the last year or so that he could one day be an awesome worker.

[BigDaddyCool]

Orton will never be a Rock or an Austin, if anything, he'll be an Undertaker. Never great, just good and probably around a little too long.

[Goulet]

Orton is good... but there are better in his position, IE: John Cena

[Rock Bottom]

John Cena is a gimmicky gimp who will be stale come '05 or '06.

[Hired Hitman]

*RKO's Random Pillow*