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Aguakate
08-16-2010, 12:21 AM
I dunno man, Daniel Bryan and Undertaker returning is pretty big...I don't know what more ya want as far as "big" things :-\

We KNEW 'Taker was returning. Bryan WAS a surprise, but as I said, it was spoiled.

Summerslam was being built up as a "kick in the pants" for WWE, as the show that would give the WWE new air and shake things up...

...but i don't know.

BizarroKing
08-16-2010, 12:22 AM
Don't get me wrong, it's great to see both of them back in the WWE. But still, I felt like something was missing and to me this year's SummerSlam didn't have that big-time feeling that the four major pay-per-views should have.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jTFnyODNZMU/SKXkc99KI-I/AAAAAAAAANM/qRGbvR0EHfs/s400/TripleH012.jpg?

Snowden
08-16-2010, 12:25 AM
We KNEW 'Taker was returning. Bryan WAS a surprise, but as I said, it was spoiled.

Summerslam was being built up as a "kick in the pants" for WWE, as the show that would give the WWE new air and shake things up...

...but i don't know.

I mean, I agree that the show on the whole was a bit underwhelming. The undercard was a big mess of blah, and the Orton/Sheamus finish was crappy. While we did know that Undertaker was coming back, they did it pretty decently...and I personally didn't have Bryan's return spoiled for me, so I marked like a schoolgirl.

The show itself didn't have game changing ramifications, so I agree with that sentiment, but it also did progress storylines.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 12:26 AM
I don't get how Triple H being at Summerslam, and AXXESS, didn't make an appearance.

Didn't even have to wrestle...should've made an appearance. WWE dropped the ball on that one. If the guy has been out for months, and you know fans want to see him, and u have him go on AXXESS...how can u NOT have appear at the show? It's dumb.

SlickyTrickyDamon
08-16-2010, 12:26 AM
They should do ppv on a little bit longer delay, so they can add appropriate fake crowd noises. I didn't really mind the fake crowd noises on that Raw they taped before they went to tour.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:27 AM
I don't think anyone had a problem with Cena winning, its the unneeded ddt on the concrete spot! There wasnt a need for it unless it was going to be a match ender,

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 12:27 AM
Yeah, Triple H showing up could have definitely made it better. :yes:
I don't know, not saying the show sucked, but it feels like it didn't live up to the hype and for me just wasn't as enjoyable as past Summerslams.

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 12:29 AM
The show itself didn't have game changing ramifications, so I agree with that sentiment, but it also did progress storylines.

But ANY and ALL pay-per-views will progress storylines.... SummerSlam, WM, Survivor Series and Royal Rumble (the original four) should, IMO, be HUGE.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 12:30 AM
Yeah, Triple H showing up could have definitely made it better. :yes:
I don't know, not saying the show sucked, but it feels like it didn't live up to the hype and for me just was as enjoyable as past Summerslams.

The show didn't SUCK, except for the damn Cena no-selling concrete...but Summerslam is one of the "Big 4" of the WWE, and WWE should try to take advantage of the "Big 4" and use them to "shock and awe" the fans...and use the other PPV's to further storylines and the like.

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 12:31 AM
The show didn't SUCK, except for the damn Cena no-selling concrete...but Summerslam is one of the "Big 4" of the WWE, and WWE should try to take advantage of the "Big 4" and use them to "shock and awe" the fans...and use the other PPV's to further storylines and the like.

that's what I'm trying to say

XL
08-16-2010, 12:31 AM
I don't get how people can bitch about Bryan's return being spoiled. You're on the net, that's where spoilers happen.

Just watch the PPV, then come here to chat. Simple.

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 12:33 AM
I don't get how people can bitch about Bryan's return being spoiled. You're on the net, that's where spoilers happen.

Just watch the PPV, then come here to chat. Simple.

Yeah, maybe I would have enjoyed the show a bit more that way... but still, there just was no big time feel to the show.

Fox
08-16-2010, 12:33 AM
Then they should probably watch a different product. That has been the case forever. You think if this match would have taken place in the attitude era and you switched out Cena for Austin that the outcome would have been any different?

Well, you can look at Survivor Series 1998 as a prime example. They could have easily booked the Deadly Games tournament for the WWF title to have Austin "beat the odds" and come out on top with the belt, but they didn't. In fact, he lost in the second round.

They could also have given The Rock a clean babyface victory, "beating the odds" of the Corporation and winning the belt.

Instead they ran an angle where Mankind was Vince's "chosen boy," the guy who was going to be the new Corporate champ. And in the main event, Vince screwed Mankind to turn The Rock heel and make him the actual new Corporate Champion, building in automatic angles with Rock/Austin and Rock/Mankind.


I mean, I'm just answering your question.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 12:36 AM
Everyone's having a normal discussion about plain WRESTLING, and a "tough guy" has to come in...

...pfft.

To answer u, we are in the year 2010, techonology has advanced, we as fans have also advanced and everything is more accessible...so a Billion Dollar Company like WWE should know that and protect itself. Some of us like to interact with other fans while watching a PPV, exchange opinions, etc.

"Simple".

DaVe
08-16-2010, 12:36 AM
roffflll

didn't watch the ppv - couldn't - but i freaking enjoyed reading through the comments and seeing the responses to the ending.

savior's last post is freaking priceless

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 12:37 AM
– I knew about Bryan Danielson’s return to WWE earlier this afternoon. I kind of hinted about it in a post earlier this evening when I said he cancelled indy bookings this weekend and also had an open date for the Night of Champions PPV next month. Ryan Clark


He knows everything.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:42 AM
– I knew about Bryan Danielson’s return to WWE earlier this afternoon. I kind of hinted about it in a post earlier this evening when I said he cancelled indy bookings this weekend and also had an open date for the Night of Champions PPV next month. Ryan Clark


He knows everything.

:nono:

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 12:43 AM
:nono:

Mother fucker I didn't make that up go on the front page.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:44 AM
Wow, defensive over Clark are we? lol

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 12:47 AM
Wow, defensive over Clark are we? lol

No I hate Ryan Clark, His fabricated stories, Him thinking he works hard and the fact he steals news from every site on the web and posts it as his own. He is the Stephen Glass of the Dirt Sheets.

XL
08-16-2010, 12:47 AM
Everyone's having a normal discussion about plain WRESTLING, and a "tough guy" has to come in...

...pfft.

To answer u, we are in the year 2010, techonology has advanced, we as fans have also advanced and everything is more accessible...so a Billion Dollar Company like WWE should know that and protect itself. Some of us like to interact with other fans while watching a PPV, exchange opinions, etc.

"Simple".
"Tough Guy"? :lol:

Regardless of technology, there is still human error - which is what happened with the Danielson spoiler.

I still maintain that you can't come on the net to discuss wrestling at any point (build up to show, suring show, etc) and expect not to have stuff "spoiled". That's the modern wrestling landscape as you say.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:47 AM
EXACTLY!!

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 12:48 AM
No I hate Ryan Clark, His fabricated stories, Him thinking he works hard and the fact he steals news from every site on the web and posts it as his own. He is the Stephen Glass of the Dirt Sheets.

then why did you say he knows everything?

CSL
08-16-2010, 12:49 AM
Well, you can look at Survivor Series 1998 as a prime example. They could have easily booked the Deadly Games tournament for the WWF title to have Austin "beat the odds" and come out on top with the belt, but they didn't. In fact, he lost in the second round.

They could also have given The Rock a clean babyface victory, "beating the odds" of the Corporation and winning the belt.

Instead they ran an angle where Mankind was Vince's "chosen boy," the guy who was going to be the new Corporate champ. And in the main event, Vince screwed Mankind to turn The Rock heel and make him the actual new Corporate Champion, building in automatic angles with Rock/Austin and Rock/Mankind.


I mean, I'm just answering your question.

No doubt, sometimes they do things creatively that involve good planning, people react to and they stray from the norm to swerve people. See: Cena being eliminated from that Elimination Chamber match in about 2 minutes last year.

The outcome of said Austin angle in the end? Austin beats Rock to regain the belt at Mania.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:49 AM
then why did you say he knows everything?

Yeah ... that's kind of the reason why it put ":nono:"

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 12:50 AM
"Tough Guy"? :lol:

Regardless of technology, there is still human error - which is what happened with the Danielson spoiler.

I still maintain that you can't come on the net to discuss wrestling at any point (build up to show, suring show, etc) and expect not to have stuff "spoiled". That's the modern wrestling landscape as you say.

Can't we HAVE IT ALL?

Mmm?

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 12:50 AM
Yeah ... that's kind of the reason why it put ":nono:"

yeah I caught that, but he didn't

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:50 AM
No doubt, sometimes they do things creatively that involve good planning, people react to and they stray from the norm to swerve people. See: Cena being eliminated from that Elimination Chamber match in about 2 minutes last year.

I feel they attempted this when Kane repeatedly opened the casket to tease Taker being inside.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:51 AM
yeah I caught that, but he didn't

Kids today.....

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 12:51 AM
then why did you say he knows everything?

I was being a smart ass.

CSL
08-16-2010, 12:52 AM
You were being a smart ass dick mouth or you were being a smart ass and Providence Pete is a dick mouth?

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 12:52 AM
...Umm...can we get back to wrestling?

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:52 AM
I was being a smart ass dick mouth.

Well ... you failed :lol:

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 12:53 AM
Well, yeah, Summerslam...

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 12:54 AM
You were being a smart ass dick mouth or you were being a smart ass and Providence Pete is a dick mouth?

No i was just being a smart ass thats what I typed.

James Steele
08-16-2010, 12:55 AM
While I didn't get my moment of redemption by witnessing Triple H putting a sledgehammer through John Cena's skull, the 7 on 7 match was the match of night but sadly that isn't because of the match so much as the lackluster card. This was a very promo/storyline driven ppv which is different, but it does make me hopeful that there is a lot to come over the next few months. While the ending sucked, it works. Daniel Bryan looked like a fucking star tonight and I am proud that WWE did the right thing with him tonight. This show lacked any big time ppv moments and it felt like a really badass episode of RAW moreso than SummerSlam, but I do know I will be glued to my DVR tommorrow night after work to watch RAW.

Also, I want to give WWE credit on somehow finding an even more annoying fucking color scheme for John Cena merchandise.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:55 AM
Commas make alllll the difference.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 12:55 AM
Yeah, well, Triple H didn't come out and stuff...

...that sucked.

...and stuff.

Mr. Nerfect
08-16-2010, 12:56 AM
Fact of the matter is that Nexus has been beating the piss out of Cena for the past two months. They've cost him his title twice, laid him out, and made his life a living hell. At some point they needed to get what was coming to them, and they looked very strong in the loss. Was the booking at the end of the match flawless? Nope, but it wasn't awful either. Twas a really great match overall

This isn't the end of the Nexus angle, far from it, and they could easily come back more pissed off. They still haven't revealed the 'bigger picture' in their plan, and I'm sure with that coming up soon, they'll be just fine. These are guys who were nobodies 6 months ago, and now main evented one of the big four PPVs.

If you're going to bitch about something, bitch about the way the SES/Big Show match was booked. :nono:

This. I didn't watch the PPV, but reading up on it, it sounds about as well booked as I would have expected. John Cena only eliminated Justin Gabriel and Wade Barrett. Nexus don't come out looking weak from this.

Darren Young and Michael Tarver were both eliminated pretty early, but they get the rub from just being in the main event of SummerSlam. Neither is ready for that level of performing. Skip Sheffield sounds like a beast, though, eliminating both John Morrison and R-Truth via Murder by Lariat.

Heath Slater is the real winner coming out of this match -- he technically eliminated the entire Canadian contingent of Team WWE -- Bret Hart, Chris Jericho & Edge. Between them, those three men have held 22 World Championships. I know many people hate him for whatever reason, but I am becoming a Slater fan just for the hell of it. Way to go, Heath!

David Otunga and Justin Gabriel didn't eliminate anyone, but they lasted a fair while in the match, so that's something. Wade Barrett got to pin Bryan fucking Danielson, and had his part in Bret Hart getting eliminated. Barrett can easily bounce back from this.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 12:56 AM
While I didn't get my moment of redemption by witnessing Triple H putting a sledgehammer through John Cena's skull, the 7 on 7 match was the match of night but sadly that isn't because of the match so much as the lackluster card. This was a very promo/storyline driven ppv which is different, but it does make me hopeful that there is a lot to come over the next few months. While the ending sucked, it works. Daniel Bryan looked like a fucking star tonight and I am proud that WWE did the right thing with him tonight. This show lacked any big time ppv moments and it felt like a really badass episode of RAW moreso than SummerSlam, but I do know I will be glued to my DVR tommorrow night after work to watch RAW.

Also, I want to give WWE credit on somehow finding an even more annoying fucking color scheme for John Cena merchandise.

Everyone cant have black t-shirts.....

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 12:56 AM
Commas make alllll the difference.

might be asking too much from Destro

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 12:58 AM
You KNOW NeXus will regroup and more than likely, give Cena a beating tomorrow night on RAW at some point.

I'm actually interested in what direction Jericho goes, as well...

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 12:58 AM
Watching the replay now and laughing at Miz's promo, "no, no, no, you don't get to do my catchphrase........ if you want to talk to me, raise your hand and wait to be called on!"

Mr. Nerfect
08-16-2010, 12:59 AM
Coming out of this PPV, I am excited for the following things:

* Kofi Kingston has a right to be pissed off at the Nexus. It's just a little thing, but if Kofi randomly shows up on RAW looking for them, that could be kind of cool.

* Kane has looked like a fucking monster recently. I actually have high hopes that The Undertaker will let Kane get a few big victories over him.

* Daniel Bryan will probably take the US Title from The Miz. That will be awesome. It might almost make me want to order Night of Champions.

* I'm curious to see how the Nexus bounces back, and whether or not there is follow-up to some of the eliminations. For example, a Chris Jericho & Edge vs. Skip Sheffield & Heath Slater tag team match would make sense coming from this PPV.

BigCrippyZ
08-16-2010, 12:59 AM
The outcome of said Austin angle in the end? Austin beats Rock to regain the belt at Mania.

Yeah, in the END Austin overcame the odds and won the title after chasing the title for months. He didn't over come the odds every fucking week or two and win decisively like a damn cartoon character.

DAMN iNATOR
08-16-2010, 01:00 AM
The Whole F'n Show >>>>> Summerslam.

Anyone disagree?

Yes.

bigslimjj
08-16-2010, 01:00 AM
I'm about to go put on lipstick,because Vince Mcmahon just fucked me out of $45.00. I don't wanna hear shit about TNA's booking anymore because that perversity of a ppv was the worse thing I've seen in WWE since December to Dismember. There was a pointless finish to the WWE Title match,just to set up HHH vs Sheamus I guess. The second best match of the night was ruined by Nexus. They came out and jumped two smackdown stars. They're on fucking Raw. The Undertaker's return was lame and very unoriginal.Kane carries around a black coffin for weeks and then on ppv it's magically huge and red? (DUH!) I don't even wanna bring up the women's segment....jesus christ. The main event was very good when The Dragon was in.Both of the Miz's segments were very good. The rest was average and the ending destroyed it for me.There is a lot of laziness in the wwe booking these days and I am damn tired of it.I give Summerscam 2 Coors light bottles out of 10. This event was Concrete Crypt bad. I'm dissapointed in WWE.:nono::nono::nono:

Londoner
08-16-2010, 01:01 AM
We are still stunned. The guys might not have liked the ending, but that's only because the rest of it was so good.

That's cool then, but the card was so shit i can't be arsed to care about missing it. :cool: Glad Danielsons back, lol@those who were certain he had gone for good. ;)

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:02 AM
might be asking too much from Destro

Shut the fuck up Dick Mouth. Come whoop my ass mother fucker if you are so fucking superior.

Londoner
08-16-2010, 01:02 AM
Yeah, in the END Austin overcame the odds and won the title after chasing the title for months. He didn't over come the odds every fucking week or two and win decisively like a damn cartoon character.

And Austin can sell moves far better than Cena.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by SaskatchewanChamp

The Whole F'n Show >>>>> Summerslam.

Anyone disagree?


...I do.

TNA SUCKS, and ECW IS DEAD.

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:03 AM
I'm about to go put on lipstick,because Vince Mcmahon just fucked me out of $45.00. I don't wanna hear shit about TNA's booking anymore because that perversity of a ppv was the worse thing I've seen in WWE since December to Dismember. There was a pointless finish to the WWE Title match,just to set up HHH vs Sheamus I guess. The second best match of the night was ruined by Nexus. They came out and jumped two smackdown stars. They're on fucking Raw. The Undertaker's return was lame and very unoriginal.Kane carries around a black coffin for weeks and then on ppv it's magically huge and red? (DUH!) I don't even wanna bring up the women's segment....jesus christ. The main event was very good when The Dragon was in.Both of the Miz's segments were very good. The rest was average and the ending destroyed it for me.There is a lot of laziness in the wwe booking these days and I am damn tired of it.I give Summerscam 2 Coors light bottles out of 10. This event was Concrete Crypt bad. I'm dissapointed in WWE.:nono::nono::nono:


Ain't great how ROH is taking over wrestling? Bryan Danielson can't wait for him to destroy everyone and show the WWE guys how to wrestle.

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 01:04 AM
Shut the fuck up Dick Mouth. Come whoop my ass mother fucker if you are so fucking superior.

You WISH I'd do something with your ass.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 01:04 AM
I'm about to go put on lipstick,because Vince Mcmahon just fucked me out of $45.00. I don't wanna hear shit about TNA's booking anymore because that perversity of a ppv was the worse thing I've seen in WWE since December to Dismember. There was a pointless finish to the WWE Title match,just to set up HHH vs Sheamus I guess. The second best match of the night was ruined by Nexus. They came out and jumped two smackdown stars. They're on fucking Raw. The Undertaker's return was lame and very unoriginal.Kane carries around a black coffin for weeks and then on ppv it's magically huge and red? (DUH!) I don't even wanna bring up the women's segment....jesus christ. The main event was very good when The Dragon was in.Both of the Miz's segments were very good. The rest was average and the ending destroyed it for me.There is a lot of laziness in the wwe booking these days and I am damn tired of it.I give Summerscam 2 Coors light bottles out of 10. This event was Concrete Crypt bad. I'm dissapointed in WWE.:nono::nono::nono:


I wouldn't go that far at all. This ppv as a whole was really good. Only a few booking errors. If you were pissed at nexus ruining the I.C title match they you fell for exactly what the bookers want you to. The match was interrupted to piss you off.

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by SaskatchewanChamp

The Whole F'n Show >>>>> Summerslam.

Anyone disagree?


...I do.

TNA SUCKS, and ECW IS DEAD.

Agreed

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:04 AM
You WISH I'd do something with your ass.

Come bitch you are so big and bad. Come shut me up dick mouth.

James Steele
08-16-2010, 01:04 AM
Everyone cant have black t-shirts.....

Purple and Yellow? He an LSU fan now? FFS.

bigslimjj
08-16-2010, 01:04 AM
Ain't great how ROH is taking over wrestling? Bryan Danielson can't wait for him to destroy everyone and show the WWE guys how to wrestle.
ROH sucks hairy nuts,and so do you Destro. TNA is the best company in the buisness,and for once their stories make more sense.

Londoner
08-16-2010, 01:05 AM
ROH sucks hairy nuts,and so do you Destro. TNA is the best company in the buisness,and for once their stories make more sense.

aahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha

BigCrippyZ
08-16-2010, 01:06 AM
Is calling someone Dick Mouth supposed to be insulting? I mean, if I had a dick mouth, my wife would be giving me head a whole lot more that's for sure.

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:07 AM
ROH sucks hairy nuts,and so do you Destro. TNA is the best company in the buisness,and for once their stories make more sense.

Bullshit we will see how long that lasts. TNA is dying right now they are on the verge of going out of business. I can sense it and you are a fucking idiot.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 01:09 AM
ROH sucks hairy nuts,and so do you Destro. TNA is the best company in the buisness,and for once their stories make more sense.

Yeah, Abyss makes ALOT of sense.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 01:09 AM
Bullshit we will see how long that lasts. TNA is dying right now they are on the verge of going out of business. I can sense it and you are a fucking idiot.

I have to say, I'm pretty sure TNA makes more money then ROH. Then again that's a moot point.

BigCrippyZ
08-16-2010, 01:10 AM
TNA is dying right now they are on the verge of going out of business. I can sense it and you are a fucking idiot.

Not saying that they're not, but if Destro says it, it must be true. I mean, he can sense it for crying out loud, so it must be true.

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:11 AM
Yeah, Abyss makes ALOT of sense.

a board named Janice makes alot of sense. Hulk Hogan coming out and putting ECW over like he was part of it made sense. TNA fans spend too much time on top of there sisters.

BigCrippyZ
08-16-2010, 01:13 AM
TNA fans spend too much time on top of my sisters.

Fixed.

bigslimjj
08-16-2010, 01:13 AM
Yeah, Abyss makes ALOT of sense.
The stuff with hogan's ring made no sense and I hated it. All I wanted was the crazy bastard I've been watching in TNA for 8 years. I think most fans did as well and they gave the TNA fans want they wanted now. His match with RVD was better then ANY match on Summerslam imo.

bigslimjj
08-16-2010, 01:15 AM
a board named Janice makes alot of sense. Hulk Hogan coming out and putting ECW over like he was part of it made sense. TNA fans spend too much time on top of there sisters.
Hulk Hogan putting over anyone is fine. No matter what people say he's still Hulk Hogan.

Londoner
08-16-2010, 01:15 AM
TNA fans really are fucking annoying.

SlickyTrickyDamon
08-16-2010, 01:16 AM
TNA fans really are fucking annoying.

This (thread) is awesome!

BigCrippyZ
08-16-2010, 01:17 AM
This (thread) is awesome!

You're welcome.

James Steele
08-16-2010, 01:17 AM
Holy shit, the Official WWE SummerSlam 2010 Thread has turned into a massive...

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/04/cripplefight.jpg

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 01:18 AM
This (thread) is awesome!

Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.

BigCrippyZ
08-16-2010, 01:18 AM
Holy shit, the Official WWE SummerSlam 2010 Thread has turned into a massive...

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/04/cripplefight.jpg

Love it. :rofl:

SlickyTrickyDamon
08-16-2010, 01:19 AM
This thread has become like the commercial that are DirectTV Vs. DishNetwork which sometimes air on Raw.

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:21 AM
TNA fans really are fucking inbred.

fixed*

bigslimjj
08-16-2010, 01:22 AM
THE WHOLE FN SHOW=Avatar.
SUMMERSLAM=Indiana Jones 4
ANYTHING ROH=gay porn

Londoner
08-16-2010, 01:23 AM
My original post was far better, destro.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 01:23 AM
This "FIXED*" stuff with the quotes is so 2002.

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:23 AM
Hulk Hogan putting over anyone is fine. No matter what people say he's still Hulk Hogan.

That old bastard probably didn't even know what ECW was until a couple of weeks ago. TNA fans defending a steaming pile of shit with Vomit on top.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 01:23 AM
Destro, you do realize that A LOT of the guys in TNA were apart of ROH right?

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:23 AM
THE WHOLE FN SHOW=Avatar.
SUMMERSLAM=Indiana Jones 4

Avatar was really overrated.....

Londoner
08-16-2010, 01:23 AM
This "FIXED*" stuff with the quotes is so 2001.

.....

fixed

Destro 2.0
08-16-2010, 01:24 AM
Destro, you do realize that A LOT of the guys in TNA were apart of ROH right?

Yeah but what do they matter? More over the hill wrestlers or WWEjects hog the spot light so its like they don't even work there.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 01:24 AM
.....

fixed

...Huh...

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 01:25 AM
Ohhhh I see what you did there.

James Steele
08-16-2010, 01:35 AM
THE WHOLE FN SHOW=Avatar.
SUMMERSLAM=Indiana Jones 4
ANYTHING ROH=gay porn

The only problems with those comparisons is that Avatar actually made a shitload of money from people buying tickets to see it and ROH makes its money from DVDs and nobody watches porn on DVD anymore. TNA can barely get people to buy a PPV that WWE did better 5 years ago.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 01:40 AM
The problem with TNA is that they keep looking BACKWARDS instead of looking FORWARD.

WWE is developing young talent left and right. If u look at WWE's roster, it's amazing how much young talent they have. And not just young talent for young talent's sake, they have GOOD young talent that ALREADY is producing results. WWE is looking ahead to the future, and believe me, they have assured that they will continue to be the #1 wrestling company in the world for YEARS to come.

TNA is looking for the "quick fix". How does reviving (or attempting to revive) ECW help TNA's future? They're just trying to do alot of things, hoping to get lucky and strike gold...or silver...or ANYTHING.

DaBrasko
08-16-2010, 01:42 AM
The problem with TNA is that they keep looking BACKWARDS instead of looking FORWARD.

WWE is developing young talent left and right. If u look at WWE's roster, it's amazing how much young talent they have. And not just young talent for young talent's sake, they have GOOD young talent that ALREADY is producing results. WWE is looking ahead to the future, and believe me, they have assured that they will continue to be the #1 wrestling company in the world for YEARS to come.

TNA is looking for the "quick fix". How does reviving (or attempting to revive) ECW help TNA's future? They're just trying to do alot of things, hoping to get lucky and strike gold...or silver...or ANYTHING.

I think at this point they will be happy at striking aluminum.

BigCrippyZ
08-16-2010, 01:50 AM
The problem with TNA is that they keep looking BACKWARDS instead of looking FORWARD.

WWE is developing young talent left and right. If u look at WWE's roster, it's amazing how much young talent they have. And not just young talent for young talent's sake, they have GOOD young talent that ALREADY is producing results. WWE is looking ahead to the future, and believe me, they have assured that they will continue to be the #1 wrestling company in the world for YEARS to come.

TNA is looking for the "quick fix". How does reviving (or attempting to revive) ECW help TNA's future? They're just trying to do alot of things, hoping to get lucky and strike gold...or silver...or ANYTHING.

Agreed. Although, this week, I have to admit, I watched Impact for the first time in ass long time, and I actually enjoyed the MATCHES. I didn't read the spoilers and didn't know what to expect, and it was very unpredictable, which was fun. I can't say the same for much, if any, of RAW's matches.

Aguakate
08-16-2010, 01:57 AM
Agreed. Although, this week, I have to admit, I watched Impact for the first time in ass long time, and I actually enjoyed the MATCHES. I didn't read the spoilers and didn't know what to expect, and it was very unpredictable, which was fun. I can't say the same for much, if any, of RAW's matches.

Yeah, but the thing is that TNA is looking to have good matches TODAY, beat WWE TODAY...they're not taking their time doing things, developing guys, etc...so even if they by some miracle actually someday BEAT WWE in ratings, it won't last long, because they are huffing and puffing their way to the top, while WWE is steady, and getting younger.

Fignuts
08-16-2010, 03:33 AM
5 minutes.

5 minutes is all the time I'd need as mod, to make this forum infinitely better.

DAMN iNATOR
08-16-2010, 03:46 AM
And Austin can sell moves far better than Cena.

That's kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison though, seeing as Austin was actually capable of selling moves.

Sixx
08-16-2010, 04:32 AM
I jsut read the results and have no idea what the hell was that Rey vs Kane after the match stuff with Taker.

Sixx
08-16-2010, 04:34 AM
Also, so was all this Daniel Bryan getting fired a work or did they just resign him??

Tazz Dan
08-16-2010, 04:42 AM
Well, if I've learnt anything by this thread, posters here at tpww.net are the only people that watch wrestling. I mean c'mon, all booking is done purely for our enjoyment only isn't it?

DAMN iNATOR
08-16-2010, 05:34 AM
I jsut read the results and have no idea what the hell was that Rey vs Kane after the match stuff with Taker.

Post-match saw Kane open the casket at ringside to try and stuff Rey in, but Rey resisted, so Kane closed the casket, chokeslammed him, not once but twice, and proceeded to re-open the casket only for 'Taker to pop out and slowly stumble into the ring in an obviously weakened state from when he was seen last. Kane pointed over at Rey who was cowering in a corner in the ring near where the casket was, and Undertaker, in a weakened, gravelly voice asked Rey why he did what he did, etc. etc., and then turned around to face Kane and tried to confront and possibly take down Kane. Kane, however, being healthy and seeing what was coming, grabbed his brother and tombstoned him, thereby essentially setting up for what should be another Kane vs. Undertaker match, only this time for the title, and probably at Night Of Champions on 9/19 if I had to guess.

Sorry if that's a bit too "TL;DR" for ya but it's as straightforward as I could make it.

VSG
08-16-2010, 07:46 AM
What happened to this thread overnight? Its like the gremlins woke up and took over.

The MAC
08-16-2010, 07:50 AM
bret should have hit cena with the chair..that woulda been fucking awesome!

Savio
08-16-2010, 08:07 AM
This win doesn't really mean the end of the feud.
I dont see where they could take it from here and make it interesting.

VSG
08-16-2010, 08:18 AM
I actually can. Kofi Kingston now has issues with Nexus, and there is tonight's dark match that suggests smackdown might get into the storyline too. While faint at this point, I believe this is not over yet.

Londoner
08-16-2010, 08:29 AM
And don't forget Daniel Bryans return.

VSG
08-16-2010, 08:33 AM
I am not so sure that will be with the Nexus angle. But ya, totally psyched over that :love:

Sixx
08-16-2010, 08:55 AM
Post-match saw Kane open the casket at ringside to try and stuff Rey in, but Rey resisted, so Kane closed the casket, chokeslammed him, not once but twice, and proceeded to re-open the casket only for 'Taker to pop out and slowly stumble into the ring in an obviously weakened state from when he was seen last. Kane pointed over at Rey who was cowering in a corner in the ring near where the casket was, and Undertaker, in a weakened, gravelly voice asked Rey why he did what he did, etc. etc., and then turned around to face Kane and tried to confront and possibly take down Kane. Kane, however, being healthy and seeing what was coming, grabbed his brother and tombstoned him, thereby essentially setting up for what should be another Kane vs. Undertaker match, only this time for the title, and probably at Night Of Champions on 9/19 if I had to guess.

Sorry if that's a bit too "TL;DR" for ya but it's as straightforward as I could make it.

Yeah, I still don't get it. What the fuck was Taker asking Rey about if it turned out it was Kane who attacked him? Or if Kane didn't do it why did Taker try to kick his ass? This shit's confusing.

VSG
08-16-2010, 09:02 AM
Taker was asking Rey why he did it since he probably never saw the guy who put him down, and Rey sweared he had nothing to do with it. Taker then said he believed him and did the RIP sign and turned to face Kane instead.

Providence Peep
08-16-2010, 09:05 AM
bret should have hit cena with the chair..that woulda been fucking awesome!

That's the sort of the thing that would have made SummerSlam special, IMO.

Savio
08-16-2010, 09:29 AM
Bryan I think is set to feud with the Miz.
I actually can. Kofi Kingston now has issues with Nexus, and there is tonight's dark match that suggests smackdown might get into the storyline too. While faint at this point, I believe this is not over yet.Yeah I guess they could move over towards Smackdown. that would still be kinda lame IMO.

"We cant beat these guys, so lets fight these guys instead."

bigslimjj
08-16-2010, 09:36 AM
I wouldn't go that far at all. This ppv as a whole was really good. Only a few booking errors. If you were pissed at nexus ruining the I.C title match they you fell for exactly what the bookers want you to. The match was interrupted to piss you off.
That doesn't excuse it's stupidity. There is no point to have the Nexus come out for even more of the spotlight.They had almost a half an hour in the main event. They basically told us "We don't care about Kofi,Dolph,or the IC title." That was a set up segment that's always better used on Raw or something to get people to tune in for the rest of the show. It's ppv we bought it we're gonna watch it.

Sixx
08-16-2010, 09:43 AM
Taker was asking Rey why he did it since he probably never saw the guy who put him down, and Rey sweared he had nothing to do with it. Taker then said he believed him and did the RIP sign and turned to face Kane instead.

See, now I understand. Thank you.

Londoner
08-16-2010, 09:46 AM
They really need to have the nexus guys win all the titles over the next month or so, that's how they can make this work.

Volare
08-16-2010, 10:30 AM
What happened to this thread overnight? Its like the gremlins woke up and took over.

Most of the TPWW elite were in chat. We have more controll there.

VSG
08-16-2010, 10:30 AM
I was referring to the posts posted post the event.

Savio
08-16-2010, 10:34 AM
the other thing I didn't like about the match was they were playing up how "WWE had to be on the same page to have a CHANCE at beating Nexus" They were not on the same page, hell someone Interfered and they still won.

Volare
08-16-2010, 10:49 AM
Remember now, DDT's on concrete can not stop John Cena.


Now if the concrete was made out of say....Steve Blackman, Nexus would've won last night.

Beth Phoenix Fan
08-16-2010, 11:54 AM
Im not surprised that bret improved in the match

i wonder if bret was just pretending not to preform well? if so maybe bret does still have what it takes

#BROKEN Hasney
08-16-2010, 11:57 AM
Im not surprised that bret improved in the match

i wonder if bret was just pretending not to preform well? if so maybe bret does still have what it takes

No, his part was just quite well booked. Get a few moves in to heat up the crowd, do the sharpshooter and then get DQ'd and go home.

VSG
08-16-2010, 11:58 AM
He was out of breath all the while he was in the ring. See his mouth open taking in gulps of air.

XCaliber
08-16-2010, 12:03 PM
So yeah this sets up my prediction that Miz will lose the US Championship to Byran at NOC only for Miz to cash in his briefcase the very same night to become WWE Champion but I wonder if Orton will get a rematch.

#BROKEN Hasney
08-16-2010, 12:04 PM
Still, the ending was kinda frustrating. I wouldn't be bothered about Cena winning if it wasn't for that concrete DDT, Miz taking out Bryan and Edge & Jericho taking out Cena.

I know he overcomes the odds, but being taken out by 2 main eventers and getting dropped on your head on bare concrete does make it seem way too comic book.

Still, Raw tonight should be interesting. Really hoping that Nexus get their heat back somehow. Have a horrible feeling they'll be moved to Smackdown after failing though and I really, really want this angle to continue because it's probably been the best angle for a while and has kept me hooked.

HBPunk
08-16-2010, 12:06 PM
Oh yeah and Xero is such a great person. He throws a temper tantrum because he didn't get to start the thread. So, He cries to a mod because god forbid he doesn't start the thread.

spot on

Haze
08-16-2010, 12:24 PM
I am honestly not bothered by Cena picking up the win tonight. I have kind of grown numb to John "Superman" Cena, and don't really care enough to react to how he is booked anymore.

The 2 things that bothered me were The Miz interference, and the lack of retaliation from The Nexus.

The Miz interfering in the match was perfect. I thought it was a smart way to get him some additional heat, by screwing over the WWE team for his own selfish reasons without aligning with The Nexus. But with Cena winning, it kind of negated the impact that he had on the match. Granted it adds more fuel to the eventual Bryan/Miz program that they are looking to get in to relatively soon, but I think more would have come of his interference had he directly cost Team WWE the match.

My other problem was the fact that we got the typical Cena standing tall moment after the match. This is the first time in this whole Nexus storyline that they appear vulnerable. They just lost their biggest match since this whole invasion began. Don't you think it would have made sense that they would have been pretty pissed off about losing, and would have wanted to wreak havoc to end out the show. Just a little something that lets the crowd know that "Hey we lost the battle, but the war isn't over!" kind of thing.

I don't know, just seems like if they are to continue with this storyline the prime opportunity for The Nexus to seek some retribution would have been right after the match.

Savio
08-16-2010, 12:32 PM
Yeah, in the END Austin overcame the odds and won the title after chasing the title for months. He didn't over come the odds every fucking week or two and win decisively like a damn cartoon character.
:y:

Savio
08-16-2010, 12:35 PM
Still, the ending was kinda frustrating. I wouldn't be bothered about Cena winning if it wasn't for that concrete DDT, Miz taking out Bryan and Edge & Jericho taking out Cena.
I agree over coming ALL of that was stupid.

The Pope
08-16-2010, 01:22 PM
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nrt4
08-16-2010, 01:36 PM
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Londoner
08-16-2010, 01:47 PM
^ nice one

Jordan
08-16-2010, 01:56 PM
Kane is a great champion I hope they keep this rolling. Undertaker chasing Kane for a few months would be different and interesting.

Cuse8
08-16-2010, 02:19 PM
i think something that has been over looked besides the poorly written ending, is how well some of the nexus members looked. Sheffield eliminated both Morrison and Truth within 1 minute of one another. Slater eliminated both Jericho and Edge within a minute of one another. They did a very good job of presenting those 2 who have occasionally been overlooked (slater more then sheffield).

I would expect distruction by nexus during whatever the main event is tonight. come out beat up everyone in sight, destroy the ring again and tell the WWE "this is far from over"

Schlomey
08-16-2010, 02:34 PM
THE Schlome Says................


Strike a match and tie a ribbon round the ol' oak tree because it's time to review SUMMERSLAM 2010!


So to start off I'm sad to say I missed the event live last night & I sorely missed the chats. Anyways I watched it first thing this morning in high quality.

The build to Summerslam was equally weak as last years. The Nexus match was done fabulously but the rest of the card really doesn't shock or impress me. I'm not sure what to expect but with a weak card I assume there will be some shocking surprises. So here we go.........



INTERCONTINENTAL TITLE MATCH
Dolph Ziggler (c) vs Kofi Kingston

I have missed Smackers the last 2 weeks so I was unaware of his title win and any build. Still love watching Dolph wrestle. So the action is under way and the match is slow. Not really loving it. I like a fast paced opener (I think TNA has spoiled me in that department with the X Div guys) and this is just like any other Friday night match up. Nothing special here. Not good and not bad....The finish was good though. With the stacked WWE Team giving the Nexus some additional face time early on in the program will help make the match more believable later on tonight. Still though it was kind of a waste. Hopefully this gets better........

I GIVE THIS MATCH 5 BOTTLES OF JR'S BBQ SAUCE OUT OF 10.



WWE DIVAS CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Melina vs The Black Diva (c)

This match was awful from start to finish. The LayCool bit at the end was miserable and her "big boot" to Melina's head was NOWHERE near a connected hit. These women make me a sad panda.

I GIVE THIS MATCH 1 BOTTLE OF JR'S BBQ SAUCE OUT OF 10.



3 ON 1 HANDICAP MATCH
Big Show vs Straight Edge Society

With the odds stacked against Big Show and with the way SES have been the bumbling brat pack of Friday nights I already had my mind made up that Big Show was going over here. I do love this face version of Big Show even though he has absolutely zero character. He just is goofy, smiley and waves to the fans a bunch. Oh well I likes what I likes. The match is good. Not BIG 4 PPV good but all in all it serviced the storyline and the action was as good as to be expected. No surprise at the finish and I'm guessing were about to see the SES implode.

I GIVE THIS MATCH 5 BOTTLES OF JR'S BBQ SAUCE OUT OF 10.



WWE CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Sheamus (c) vs Randy "The Viper" Orton

No storyline here. Just Randy the number one contender getting a title match. Again, lame for a supposed BIG 4 PPV. That has been the theme with Summerslam the last few years, sadly. Anyways, I still loved this match. It was nothing I will remember in a month but now the ball is rolling to develop a much needed storyline with the DQ finish. I really enjoyed the action throughout the match and was better than I anticipated. Go me!

I GIVE THIS MATCH 8 BOTTLES OF JR'S BBQ SAUCE OUT OF 10.



WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Kane (c) vs Rey Mysterio, Jr.

When did they drop the Jr. from his name anyways? Ok, so here is a match with great build. Kane has been a stellar champion in my opinion and have loved watching him go all demented on everyones asses. Still sad that Swagger was NOWHERE to be seen at this BIG 4 PPV. Anyways, even with good build I'm not at all interested in seeing Rey Jr. wrestle Kane. I have seen this match a million times. The ending was no surprise and sorta confusing. I got the gist but it didn't translate well on TV and could have been better. Average match that really didn't do much for me.

I GIVE THIS MATCH 5 BOTTLES OF JR'S BBQ SAUCE OUT OF 10.



7 ON 7 ELIMINATION TAG TEAM MATCH
The Nexus vs Team WWE

O.M.G. I marked out for Danielson. I am not a big mark of his but it was definitely the surprise shocker of the night that I was needing. This match was booked very well. I am loving the action and the eliminations. Especially the Jericho/Edge eliminations. I honestly was starting to think that with Cena having a hand in their eliminations and the fact that he didn't enter the match until the very end that we were about to see a big heel turn. I guess that was wishful thinking. It wouldn't have made a lick of sense to align him with Nexus but still.... Anyways, Danielson was hot towards the end and really made it believable. The DDT on the arena floor followed by Cena "Hulking Up" to get the win...I don't like that one bit. Yes we have all come to expect it but it still stings when it happens. I will say this for Cena, nobody can no sell moves like him. Take that as a backhanded compliment. Anyways, great last match. Very fun. Lame finish.

I GIVE THIS MATCH 9 BOTTLES OF JR'S BBQ SAUCE OUT OF 10.





OVERALL PPV RATING: 32 BOTTLES OF JR'S BBQ SAUCE OUT OF 60



IN CONCLUSION:

Another Summerslam has came and went and it still doesn't feel like the biggest party of the summer. I am miffed as to why stopped building great feuds for this show. It used to be one of the best nights of the year and anymore I can say that it has been notoriously underwritten and under booked. Not enough matches on this show. Not enough "summer party feel" and especially not enough build. The matches were ok to good but this is unfortunately yet another summer throw away PPV. The best 1 on 1 match of the night ended up in DQ.....The big summer PPV should be the conclusion to a major feud and NOT the start of it. Sorry to say.

And now on to the awards ceremony.



BEST MATCH OF THE NIGHT
Nexus vs Team WWE

WORST MATCH OF THE NIGHT
Melina vs The Black Diva

BEST PERFORMER
Bryan Danielson & Wade Barrett

WORST PERFORMER
Michelle McCool's for her lack of big boot

BIGGEST SHOCK
Danielson baby

BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT
No Swagger & no big 4 feeling yet again this year.


PEACE OUT YA'LL.

#BROKEN Hasney
08-16-2010, 03:13 PM
i think something that has been over looked besides the poorly written ending, is how well some of the nexus members looked. Sheffield eliminated both Morrison and Truth within 1 minute of one another. Slater eliminated both Jericho and Edge within a minute of one another. They did a very good job of presenting those 2 who have occasionally been overlooked (slater more then sheffield).

I would expect distruction by nexus during whatever the main event is tonight. come out beat up everyone in sight, destroy the ring again and tell the WWE "this is far from over"

Oh yeah, this can be saved and I'm hoping it will be. Just ended a pretty hot main event on a flat note.

Either Nexus expands to give Cena yet more odds to overcome or anything else they do won't look like a threat anymore.

Londoner
08-16-2010, 03:18 PM
Miz should join Nexus.

#BROKEN Hasney
08-16-2010, 03:19 PM
Yeah, Miz can be to the Nexus as Hogan was to the nWo :shifty:

Damian Rey
08-16-2010, 05:32 PM
I'm bummed to have not been able to watch the event but from the sounds of it, it doesn't seem that the Nexus angle is not completely done. Where they go from Raw tonight should give us at least the slightest idea of where they're going from here.

Also, Staples Center sounded like hot crowd.

Supreme Olajuwon
08-16-2010, 05:53 PM
Hey guys, I missed the PPV last night. Anything good happen?

Londoner
08-16-2010, 05:57 PM
Hey guys, I missed the PPV last night. Anything good happen?

Danielson returned.

Xero
08-16-2010, 05:58 PM
That and Miz cut an awesome promo.

Schlomey
08-16-2010, 06:25 PM
I neglected The Miz' promo in my review but yes, it was fantastic. I know he was filling time but damnit he was on fire for someone who didn't even have a match!
+3

Supreme Olajuwon
08-16-2010, 07:18 PM
So what did everyone think of the big match last night? That Cena guy is one tough customer.

Tazz Dan
08-16-2010, 07:23 PM
I dont see where they could take it from here and make it interesting.

Have Nexus be majorly pissed and continue to destory the Raw stars. Keep in mind they keep refering to Barrett as leader by proxy so there's the chance someone else will be revealed as being behind the group. Also keeps the story going through nicely till Survivor Series if need be.

Juan
08-16-2010, 07:26 PM
fuck off Cole and Cena

Juan
08-16-2010, 07:27 PM
Jesus, I just read the pages after the main event happened. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Supreme Olajuwon
08-16-2010, 07:49 PM
Post some highlights, Juanathan.

Mr. Pierre
08-17-2010, 04:01 AM
This was a pretty storyline driven show, and unfortunately the match quality just wasn't there for the most part.

The opener was doing its job, and to be perfectly honest, I wasn't too interested in it when it was booked. It was a good match for what it was, and the Nexus interference was done pretty well, but I hope that Kofi/Dolph attempt at revenge on SD, since ya know, ruining the IC title match shouldn't go without people getting pissed. Maybe Kofi/Dolph are teamed on SD to face 2 members of Nexus, only for Dolph to drop off the apron and have Kofi get his ass beat, adding more fuel to their rematch at NOC.

Melina/Alicia was pretty horrible. Laycool vs. Melina has me interested though since it seems like they'd be unifying the titles, finally.

SES/Show was blah. Pretty ridiculous at how long this match lasted with the no-tag format rule as they couldn't put away Show. Oh well.

Orton/Sheamus was very good, and I really enjoyed it. Not a fan of the finish though, because I feel that Sheamus should have went over here with a pinfall. Didn't have to be clean, but just give the guy a fuckin win. Do they think it'll hurt Orton's momentum? Nothing can hurt his momentum, the guy's on fire, and I hope they do a slow build for his Championship win (Mania?). If Orton lost last night, I'm sure the fans would still be behind Orton and pay money at NOC to see him try and win, meanwhile Sheamus finally gets a win.

Miz's promo was hilarious.

Kane/Rey was boring. Felt like I saw it a million times before. The Taker thing was disappointing to me because I'm a dumb mark that wanted to see Taker destroy people on his comeback. But, yeah it's pretty lame with the whole coughing bit and pale, but they did a good job of making Kane look like a beast against Taker for once.

The main event was awesome. It was great to see Danielson back, and he looked like a star. Loved the match, I just wasn't a fan of the DDT on the floor spot so late, since Cena won the watch like 90 seconds later. But whatever, great match.

I agree with some that it didn't have a "Big 4" feel, and it wasn't a very good Summerslam, but I still enjoyed it for what it was and look forward to NOC.

Rammsteinmad
08-17-2010, 12:17 PM
I don't understand why people don't break pin attempts in elimination matches anymore. I mean, I understand with 7 on 7 we'd be there all night if people kept breaking pins, but like, someone from Nexus I believe took two finishers, and the Nexus guys just stood there. Couldn't one of them pulled the referee out or something to A. break the pin and B. cheap heat.

Shane McMahon during the Survivor Series 2001 match is a great example of this.

The MAC
08-17-2010, 12:29 PM
Rammsteinmad is right on the money with that. They just stood there and let the guy get pinned. They watched him get pinned then reacted like it was a surprise.

Go back a few weeks to bret hart just standing on the apron while Cena got the shit kicked out of him when Nexus where the lumberjacks.

Do the writers and bookers ever think about real life and what would happen in a real world situation? fuck no!

Mr. Pierre
08-17-2010, 01:34 PM
I also hate that no one ever breaks up pin attempts. If they wanna book the match all lazy like that, they should make some stupid "rule" to avoid it.