Do you consider Bobby Lashley a former World Champ?

[Savio]

He was a former 2 Time ECW Champion but do you consider him a former world champion?

[Aguakate]

Nope.

[Ermaximus]

Fuck no.

[Xero]

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No.

[Ermaximus]

To consider Lashley as a world champ would be the same as saying Mark Henry, Matt Hardy, Chavo, Morrison, and Christian were all World Champs too and as we all know, in the eyes of Vince, being the ECW champ meant dick.

[Aguakate]

...I don't consider ANY of the wrestlers who won the WWE/ECW Title as Former Champions.

[Savio]

I would say the ECW Championship meant more before that one nameless guy killed himself.

[CSL]

No but had he stuck around, he'd probably have multiple reigns by now.

[Ermaximus]

No but had he stuck around, he'd probably have multiple reigns by now.

As long as he wasn't on Smackdown. :shifty:

[Jordan]

Wow, I actually said yes for Bobby. Mostly because of that big match with Umaga at Wrestlemania, he was a big star in my eyes. I was confused why WWE would let him go.

[Ermaximus]

Wow, I actually said yes for Bobby. Mostly because of that big match with Umaga at Wrestlemania, he was a big star in my eyes. I was confused why WWE would let him go.

He quit.

[Jordan]

Yeah I know, but if your WWE you have the money to keep about anybody if you want too.

[Ermaximus]

Yeah I know, but if your WWE you have the money to keep about anybody if you want too.

I think it was more so the "treatment" of Krystal that pushed it over the deep end. That and the racist nature of Micheal Hayes.

[bigslimjj]

If Christian's not, Bobby's not. No.

[Savio]

I myself am torn on it. When he won the title it was still being used credibly but when Morrison (and Vince) won it went down 1,000 points. How ever Jordan X's avatar also puts up a good argument.

[Rollermacka]

I think it was more so the "treatment" of Krystal that pushed it over the deep end. That and the racist nature of Micheal Hayes.

Oh please, your telling me a man that use to come out draped in a Confederate flag is a racist?

[The Show Off]

If Christian's not, Bobby's not. No.

Christian is...

Christian is a former 2 time NWA World Heavyweight Champion in TNA.

[Ermaximus]

Oh please, your telling me a man that use to come out draped in a Confederate flag is a racist?

:lol: Yes sir I indeed am. :y:

[Brock]

so what about christian?? he becomes a nwa world champ... did u consider him?? as a former champ?

[Razzamajazz]

the NWA has become so convoluted over the past 15 or so years that it means nothing anymore

[BigDaddyCool]

WWECW World Title > NWA/TNA World Title. That being said, Lashey is not a former world champion, he is a from IC champion. That is what the ECW title is most like.

[NeanderCarl]

Well the ECW title was called the ECW World title when it was first exhumed from the grave wasn't it? I can't remember for sure...

Anyways, any holder of the ECW title (under the WWE revival) has a better claim to being a "World champion" than any holder of the TNA top strap over the years, maybe even to this day.

[Brock]

well ric flair is 16 time world champ.. and then kurt is 12 time..

flair also is a former nwa world champ.. and that nwa world champ of him in counted for his legendary 16 time world champ..

christian is a former nwa champ.. so?? christian is a former world champ??

as for kurt angle.. i think he's become wwe champion for 8 or 9 times..

but the tna world champ count it on his former 12 time world champ..
so as for now? your a former champ..

if u held nwa/tna world champ,wwe champ or world champ

sorry for my bad english.. but i wish anyone getz what i mean..

[bigslimjj]

i wasn't counting TNA. In WWE he is not considered a former world champion. In TNA he for sure is a former 2 time champ.

[Innovator]

Good lord no

[The Pope]

why not? It was called the ECW WORLD Heavyweight championship.

[Xero]

why not? It was called the ECW WORLD Heavyweight championship.

They used to call the TV title the "World Television Championship"...

[Anybody Thrilla]

The New Age Outlaws were "TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS OF THE WORRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLDD". Is Billy Gunn a world champ?

[Ermaximus]

The New Age Outlaws were "TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS OF THE WORRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLDD". Is Billy Gunn a world champ?

He could have been, but as we all know, he was one of the KOTR winners whose win meant shit.

[RiX1024]

No, the WWECW title meant jack shit anyways.

[AJHayes]

...your mom is a world champ.

[Jordan]

I think it was more so the "treatment" of Krystal that pushed it over the deep end. That and the racist nature of Micheal Hayes.

Whats the story here?

[dronepool]

I have no idea who Bobby Lashley is because during his time in WWE, I wasn't watching or keeping up with WWE at all.

[Ermaximus]

Whats the story here?

From what I can remember, Lashley was dating then SD diva Krystal and Hayes was giving her a really hard time or something and she quit and so did he. Can't remember the specifics, but I'll give my friend a ring. He knows.

[VSG]

Your friend Ryan C.?

[Ermaximus]

Your friend Ryan C.?

Nah, fuck that guy. I heard this from my friend Sean S. when it happened VSG.

[VSG]

Sean Stasiak?

[Droford]

The Better question is..do you consider Mikey Whipwreck a former World Champion?

[Ermaximus]

Sean Stasiak?

No. Sean Scott.

[VSG]

Damn.

[Savio]

The Better question is..do you consider Mikey Whipwreck a former World Champion?
No one who won the orginal ECW championship won a real world title TNA belt doesn't count.

[The Pope]

Why doesn't the TNA title count? It doesn't make sense, he never one the TNA title. Only 5 guys have had the TNA title. (Angle, Joe, Sting, AJ Styles, RVD)

[Savio]

Because TNAs booking team is retarded.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd be curious to see if the WWE does. They still refer to Big Show as a "five-time World Champion." This might just be habit from when they were trying to get ECW over, but regardless, they seem to count Big Show's reign as ECW Champion as a World Title reign. Bobby Lashley won it from him, so technically that would make Lashley a World Champion? Vince McMahon doesn't win mid-card titles, either. It's kind of sad that I think one of the best things the ECW Title had going for it in the WWE was that Vince himself held it.

If the WWE brought Lashley back, I do actually think they'd refer to him as a two-time World Champ. I think the belt stopped being a World Title after it was vacated and Benoit was meant to win it. Johnny Nitro was the first "non-World Champion" in the ECW Title's WWE history.

[BigDaddyCool]

Noid is right, when Morrison won the title, they quit treating it like a world title. But being that is was immediately dropped in status after Lashley lost it, it means midcarders can beat Lashley. Also Lashley quit shortly after. So it is in essence his fault the title lost status from a kayfabe point of view.

[Savio]

Noid is right, when Morrison won the title, they quit treating it like a world title. But being that is was immediately dropped in status after Lashley lost it, it means midcarders can beat Lashley. Also Lashley quit shortly after. So it is in essence his fault the title lost status from a kayfabe point of view.
yeah I guess I do feel that when It was Lashley vs Cena @ some PPV I did consider Lashley as a former World Champion.

[BizarroKing]

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[Kane Knight]

Wow. I remember when everyone got buthurt over BDC and I saying it didn't count. The poll says times have changed.

[Xero]

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[Savio]

Wow. I remember when everyone got buthurt over BDC and I saying it didn't count. The poll says times have changed.
Thread?

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, there was a thread, it was maybe 2 years back and I can't remember the title so it is hard to find.

[My Final Heaven]

From what I remember, another facet to Lashley leaving - The angle involving Vickie Guererro & Edge was supposed to be Krystal /Edge. Krystal didn't like the idea of doing something like that with a guy with Edgeward's... history, and naturally Bobby wasn't too hot with it either. All secondhand information, but the pieces fit together when you look over the other parts of the angle with Teddy Long having the heart attack @ his wedding & shit. It makes sense that they would have taken it in that direction.

[Ermaximus]

From what I remember, another facet to Lashley leaving - The angle involving Vickie Guererro & Edge was supposed to be Krystal /Edge. Krystal didn't like the idea of doing something like that with a guy with Edgeward's... history, and naturally Bobby wasn't too hot with it either. All secondhand information, but the pieces fit together when you look over the other parts of the angle with Teddy Long having the heart attack @ his wedding & shit. It makes sense that they would have taken it in that direction.

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[The Pope]

Is he the Strikeforce Heavyweight Champ yet?

[NeanderCarl]

Michael Hayes??