Randy Couture is so good he makes me want to cry

[Jordan]

What is next for Randy? He obliterated James Toney, which wasn't much of a surprise but he looked damn good in doing it. Can you believe this guy? He was in great shape, maybe bigger than I have ever seen him, and he was as sleak and fast as we have ever seen him.

Word has it he is going back to 205. What fights await him? Is the title still in the picture for Couture? I have herd him say he just wants "interesting fights" that he isn't hunting the gold. But you can't deny anybody if they are as good as Randy, and say he picks up another win or two, depending upon the opponent but more than likely if the quality was good enough he would have to get a shot.

Also how much longer do you think he will fight for UFC? Long enough to see Couture/Fedor?

[Reavant]

:nono:

[Jordan]

What you don't love Randy? What is wrong with you?

[Haze]

Randy is arguably the greatest fighter that MMA has seen in it's relatively short time frame.

I personally would like to see him drop down to 205. The heavy weight division is just getting to big for his smaller frame, and I see him having more success in the light heavy weight division.

[Nark Order]

I kind of want to see him keep on taking these freakshow fights like he's been doing. Sylvia, Lesnar, Toney... he's taken some weird fights. I'm not sure he's able to legitimately compete for gold anymore sadly, but I'd love to see him continue still.

[Kris P Lettus]

He is awesome.. I loved that Dana picked him to shut Tony up.. That low single was how I take down my little brother..

[IC Champion]

Pfft, your brother could have easily stuffed that takedown.

[Kris P Lettus]

My bother wouldn't have tapped the air upward while subbing..

[IC Champion]

He was trying to fight back...

[Kris P Lettus]

No.. Once Randy transitioned from the mount to side control and actually sunk in the arm triangle to where it would need to be to choke a guy with that big of shoulders out with a triangle, Tony tapped the air upward.. No defense involved as he was submitting..

[Kris P Lettus]

Love he got his JJ Black Belt too..

[Jordan]

What would you like to see for him next? He wants "interesting" fights, I think Jon "Bones" Jones would be a VERY interesting fight. Or even a TV Spike TV Main Event against Stephan Bonnar.

[Kris P Lettus]

Truthfully, I'd like to see him fight Rampage.. It's kinda a win-win for the UFC even though it might be make or break for Rampage.. Rampage needs a BIG win to get him back into title contention and if Randy loses to him, it wouldn't hurt Randy at all.. If Couture wins, it prolly wouldn't hurt Rampage that bad cause it's Captain America..

If would be a big money fight which could def help Rampage if he was to win..

[Reavant]

What you don't love Randy? What is wrong with you?

I like him too, but i was shaking my head at you going on and on about him and how amazing he was because of his performance against james toney. I mean come on now. Any wrestler/grappler would have done the exact same thing successfully and probably any striker that actually trained a takedown in training camp for that matter.

Yea randy is good and one of the most accomplished fighters out there, but to say hes the best is stretching it. Hes a crafty vet that picks his spots.

[Reavant]

i also was shaking my head at any reference to a fedor/couture fight.... common man, no one has been asking for that fight since randy lost the belt and especially now that fedor lost.

[Jordan]

I was just so happy that Couture demolished him, what is wrong with that? And I think now that Fedor has lost he is a better match for Couture and it would be a tougher fight to call. Still would be f'n huge.

[Reavant]

how is it now a better match and tougher to call because fedor lost? Do you even think before you say things?

Randy is decorated but has a bunch of losses on his record from various possitions while fedor's lone legit loss came from being overly aggressive in probably the best heavyweight gaurd in all of BJJ let alone MMA.

[Kris P Lettus]

Randy does have alot of loses but, he is constantly evolving.. He is constantly changing his game unlike Fedor, who has fought the same in pretty much every fight..

[Jordan]

how is it now a better match and tougher to call because fedor lost? Do you even think before you say things?

Randy is decorated but has a bunch of losses on his record from various possitions while fedor's lone legit loss came from being overly aggressive in probably the best heavyweight gaurd in all of BJJ let alone MMA.

I think the fight would be in Randy's favor at the moment. He has momentum and like Fly said, he is evolving. Fedor, hopefully learned and evolved as well. To pit them one on one now, when the time is still ripe for both men to put on a great fight and show the world who is the best fighter.

Just because I don't think the same way everybody or anybody else does, doesn't make me stupid. I talk from a place of opinion where I see it.

I think if there were a time for Randy to beat Fedor, it's now. If I were UFC I'd give him (Fedor) whatever he wants, just to do this one match.

[Kris P Lettus]

Krispy said that, not Funky..

[Reavant]

what has randy done lately that shows this crazy evolution???


Yes he was ahead of the curve, but its caught up to him now. I wouldnt really say hes evolved that much... he still fights the exact same style minus this last fight. Lokk at what hes done..


He shocked chuck liddel, and couldnt touch him since, he came back and beat sylvia which is in my opinion his greatest achievement. He beat an unbelievably over hyped gabe gonzaga, which is the fight that made everyone hard for randy. He gave lesnar a tough fight, but you have to remember lesnar was pacing himself and he caught randy on the feet.... not good. He then gets his shit pushed in by nogiera, who is on a huge downslide, and could have very easily lost the fight with vera because of how close it was. Now he goes on to beat coleman and toney, do i really have to say anything about either guy?

How can you say fedor hasnt evolved? How would you know? He is dynamic on the feet and on the ground. minus one guy, hes destroyed everyone hes faced. I think that demonstrates evolution.

[Kris P Lettus]

Winning isn't everything in MMA.. If you think Randy is still fighting with the same skill set he used to beat Rizzo or Tito or even Chuck you are being blind..

The fact is evolution while training is the ONLY reason Randy is still fighting.. Fedor is great, but the whole Fedor/Randy talk was because both were considered the best HWs in the world at the time.. Randy is better at LHW, especially now, with beasts like Lesnar and Carwin walking around.. Even with his one loss, if you still consider Fedor in that elite HW status, then the talks should be him vs Lesmar, or the winner of Lesnar/Carwin 2, which I, as a huge Pride/Fedor supporter over the years, dont think The Last Emporor could handle..

So the talks should actually remain with Randy/Fedor..

Fedor is a great fighter, but Randy is the best gameplanner in the game, ever.. I think Captain America could do alot of damage in close and if he got top position, I don't think Fedors grappling is close to the level of his.. At the same time, Fedor is a beast who can take brutal punishment and deliver viscious strikes from any and all positions..

It would a be a great fight..

The fact that you are questioning Couture's legacy makes my dick hurt..

[Reavant]

Winning isn't everything in MMA..
WHAT?? Ummmmm yes it is. Thats why randy is looked at so highly and anyone who beats him get praised by the public :wtf: and had fedor WON against werdum, there wouldnt be any doubters

Again... WHAT EVOLUTION?? How has his style changed since he fought sylvia? He pushes guys into the cage and beats them up and tries to get the takedown. Every fight has been like this since this last one with toney. Seriously what he did to toney was NOT impressive. He hit a shot that would either put him in serious submission trouble or get stuffed by almost any other mma fighter.



I don't think Fedors grappling is close to the level of his..

WHAT??? fedor beat the shit of nog on the ground, it was all randy could do to keep from tapping.


Even with his one loss, if you still consider Fedor in that elite HW status, then the talks should be him vs Lesmar, or the winner of Lesnar/Carwin 2, which I, as a huge Pride/Fedor supporter over the years, dont think The Last Emporor could handle..

Those still are the talks outside of an immediate rematch with werdum. just not here for some reason.

[Reavant]

Seriously I know you love randy, i like him too, but lets look at this objectively here

[Funky Fly]

I think Fedor could beat Randy. The 2 or 3 times that Brandon Vera actually threw strikes out proved that he can't handle a whole lot of damage. Fedor would beat him standing and probably keep it reasonably even on the ground. He's pretty old. It's probably time for Randy to hang it up before he ends up facing the wrong guy and getting seriously hurt.

[Reavant]

Like I said... hes picking his fights. "interesting" fights mean fights, that while they may be difficult, he can still win.

[Kris P Lettus]

You keep acting like his fight with Sylvia was at UFC 22 in 98 or something.. That fight was 3 years ago, in 2007, which was 21 years into his professional fighting career..

[Reavant]

no that was the end of his "evolution" ... its easy to make it look like you completely changed your game when you started so early in life of the sport

[Kris P Lettus]

So do you think Fedor could beat Lesnar??

[Reavant]

yes... i think lesnar could beat fedor too

[Kris P Lettus]

So since you say Fedor would dominate Couture, but Lesnar could beat Fedor, who do you have giving Fedor the biggest threat??

(besides Werdum of course)

[Kris P Lettus]

Like what super match in UFC would you like to see??

Carwin should be mentioned but until he proves better cardio, he couldn't hang..

I just think Fedor/Couture would be the best ATM..

[Krimzon7]

Holy shit, I didn't realize this was the 'Suck a UFC hall of famer's Dick' line...Where's the "Feel up a Ring Girl' line?

[Kris P Lettus]

You really think respecting Randy Couture is "sucking his dick"??

The dud is almost 50 years old and still dominant in a sport where most guys are done at 35..

[Reavant]

So since you say Fedor would dominate Couture, but Lesnar could beat Fedor, who do you have giving Fedor the biggest threat??

(besides Werdum of course)

I never actually said fedor would dominate couture, but you were completely writing off fedors skills which is crazy. He loses one fight, and randy beats fuckin james toney, and you and jordan are going crazy on how hes the best fighter ever.

[Reavant]

You really think respecting Randy Couture is "sucking his dick"??

The dud is almost 50 years old and still dominant in a sport where most guys are done at 35..

in his last two fights hes fought guys his age that were as one dementional as they come.

[Kris P Lettus]

The Coleman fight was due to the fact that they were supposed to fight in 98 for the HW title but Couture got hurt and Pete Williams ended up stepping in and posterizing Coleman with the headkick KO..

The Toney fight was Dana White proving a point..

[Reavant]

how does that change the fact that his last two fights were against guys his own age and completely one dementional?

[Kris P Lettus]

So Randy is now taking the blame for (in YOUR opinion only) bad booking by White and Silva??

As I said, one was a "legends" fight that was supposed to happen 12 years ago, the other was Dana White proving a point..

I just don't see how that is Randy's fault..

[Krimzon7]

You really think respecting Randy Couture is "sucking his dick"??

The dud is almost 50 years old and still dominant in a sport where most guys are done at 35..

Respecting Randy Couture is one thing. Making a thread about this guy who beat a fucking nobody in the MMA world (no matter how hard Dana spun it), and a guy fucking older than him in his last two fights is a bit of dick sucking. Neg rep me all you want, but you don't quite put a shining light on MMA fans right now either.

but to add to this 'conversation', which looks like a circle jerk...Couture is pretty okay right now, and I"m absolutely glad that he knows his place...he says he only wants 'interesting fights'...Aren't title matches interesting? That's not what he means though. He want's solid fights because he knows he isn't near the caliber of fighter to challenge for a chip in HW or LHW. He's a nice, old, Gatekeeper.

[Reavant]

Are you and jordan the same person?

I never said it was his fault but the fights proved less than nothing and you guys are going on and on like hes the best guy out there.

Again, Im bringing some level of OBJECTIVITY to this discussion. Have you even gone back and read anything Ive posted in here?

Yes hes a great fighter but not the best, at least not anymore.

[Kris P Lettus]

I didn't ever say he was the best at the moment.. I just think a legend should be respected as such..

[Reavant]

if i was with you right now id slap the shit out you...



(with love of course)

[Kris P Lettus]

Hopefully on the ass..

:naughty:

[Reavant]

more like the charlie murphy face palm down onto the counter surface

[Kris P Lettus]

:(

[Reavant]

its a tribute to rick james, you should be happy

[McLegend]

It wasn't that impressive Randy did. Any MMA fighter with some sense would have done the same thing.

And I would still say Fedor is the favorite vs Randy or Lesnar. Even though I do think Fedor is past his prime.

[Kris P Lettus]

That's kinda what I was asking??

He did exactly what we all knew he would do.. Besides boxing with Tony, what should he have done differently?? Cause I think banging with him would have been fucking retarded and yall are acting disappointed in his performance..

No way Fedor could fuck with Lesnar..

[McLegend]

Fedor has 1 legit loss in 33 fights... Brock Lesner has almost died. He has 6 career fights and bearly escaped his last fight.

Brock has a very good chance of beating Fedor, but I would still pick Fedor in that fight just based off of experience.

Fedor is going to destroy his next opponent whoever it is btw.

[Stickman]

Brock would manhandle fedor.

[Kris P Lettus]

Fedor has 1 legit loss in 33 fights... Brock Lesner has almost died. He has 6 career fights and bearly escaped his last fight.


Which is super impressive IMO.. He got hit by a guy who hadn't let the past 12 fighters in front of him leave the first round and Brock weathered that storm like a CHAMPION..

[Haze]

It wasn't that impressive Randy did. Any MMA fighter with some sense would have done the same thing.

And I would still say Fedor is the favorite vs Randy or Lesnar. Even though I do think Fedor is past his prime.

It's impressive because he is a 47 year old who is still at the top of his game.

[McLegend]

But it was against an over the hill boxer.

C'mon

[Kris P Lettus]

Again, just because JOE SILVA and DANA WHITE booked that fight, shouldn't take anything away from the skills Couture has shown over the past 14 years..

[McLegend]

I have no problem with that. Let's just not make a big deal of the James Toney fight.

[Jordan]

Whoa whoa whoa....

I made this thread because Randy's victory over Toney just proves that he is still alive, and with his movie that just came out he is in the public eye. So UFC will undoubtedly use this to their advantage.

I do think Couture could beat any MMA fighter on any given day. It's absolutely possible. Just as it is for Fedor, Lesnar, Carwin, Silva, or anybody that is ultra talented. Will he win all of his fights in the next year or two? Who knows, maybe, doubtful but maybe.

He seems to be in the twilight of his career and if he does go on to face a young light heavyweight such as a Jon Jones, and wins, then he will have no choice but to be a title contender.

And you guys just because I made a thread about Couture doesn't mean I don't respect many other fighters. I was just so happy that he lived up to the expectation and put boxing on it's ass and choked it out.

It was bigger than James Toney, it was something that MMA can hold onto in the never ending debate of which is better.

Now of course we need to get our best striker/boxer and send him to face a boxer in the ring, knock him out and put this all to rest.

Also, with the combination of Fedor/Lesnar - Fedor/Couture - Couture/Lesnar - Fedor/Carwin - Carwin/Couture ... these fights are SUPER FIGHTS. There is really know way to know who would win, because they are all powerful and aggressive and can win or lose on any given night with an equal opponent.

Personally I would favor Couture right now in a fight with Fedor, I'd however favor Fedor in a fight with Lesnar.... YES even though Lesnar beat Couture I'd have to say Randy would be a better match with Fedor and possibly win. I do not think that Randy would beat Carwin.

It's my weird way of thinking but it is what it is, an opinion.

[Johnny McNasty]

Now of course we need to get our best striker/boxer and send him to face a boxer in the ring, knock him out and put this all to rest.


If put up against any decent boxer the same thing that happened to Toney would happen to the MMA fighter.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Yeah I don't think I've seen any pure MMA striker who wouldn't get smashed by a good boxer. They're two different sports, I don't see why there's a need to compare the two. To be honest, I usually find a pure stand up fight in MMA pretty boring or sloppy looking.

I do think a boxer in better shape than Toney would put up a better fight. He obviously did nothing for that fight, he was fat, out of shape and there for the money. Randy Couture can take very little credit from that victory and the UFC looks shoddy for allowing it to even happen.

[The Mask]

i wouldn't call them sloppy, i understand what you mean but it's just a neccessity of the sport. i think fights that are just two guys swinging fists in mma is pretty boring, but throw in kicks, clinch work and whatever other standup techniques you like and it's plenty entertaining.

[The Mask]

i think if a boxer who was 25 turned to mma and actually spent a good few years working on everything else they'd be very dangerous. but just knowing you have a boxing background means everyone will try and take you down.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

i wouldn't call them sloppy, i understand what you mean but it's just a neccessity of the sport. i think fights that are just two guys swinging fists in mma is pretty boring, but throw in kicks, clinch work and whatever other standup techniques you like and it's plenty entertaining.

I understand that. I watch MMA for the mix of fighting styles but when it's two punchers it ends up looking like a brawl.

[Reavant]

Again, just because JOE SILVA and DANA WHITE booked that fight, shouldn't take anything away from the skills Couture has shown over the past 14 years..

no one has done that

[weather vane]

Randy can beat anybody right now and that is insane to say about a 47 year old.

[The Mask]

he'd come unstruck against the top tiers of heavy and light heavy. he hasn't really beat anyone who is any good since belfort/ortiz/liddell in 2003/04