Cain Velasquez vs. Brock Lesnar and other fights

[The Naitch]

Does Cain have enough power to knock Brock out? Or will Brock dominate him

How do their wrestling skills compare to eachother?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Carwin couldn't knock out Lesnar.

However, Cain might be more accurate. Accuracy won't help him from his back, and Brock is bigger. Cain is better on the ground though.

Cain could possibly knock Brock up if he could keep it on his feet, but I don't see it happening.

[Next Big Thing]

He doesn't have Carwin's power. He did KO Big Nog, but based on his last three fights, Nogueira isn't the same fighter that fought Fedor.

He definitely isn't going to out wrestle Brock, although he does have a decent amateur background.

If he's going to survive and pull off the upset, I think it might be due to Brock overlooking him or not having the proper conditioning. In terms of skill set, Brock has the edge.

MARK MY WORDS: Junior Dos Santos will be the one who knocks Brock off.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

How do you figure Dos Santos will? I'm just curious, as he couldn't even finish Fat Country.

[Krimzon7]

Nelson's chin > Brock's Chin. Dos Santos is a bad dude, but that doesn't=me getting on that bandwagon.

I absolutely feel that Velasquez can beat Brock. Carwin in the rematch will definitely beat Brock.

[The Mask]

dos santos will just get sat on.

[Rammsteinmad]

I haven't seen much of Velasquez, but what I have seen pretty much tells me that Lesnar is going to kill him.

Personally, I'd rather see a rematch with Carwin anyway, so I'm hoping for a Lesnar win.

[The Naitch]

what would warrant a Carwin rematch?

[Next Big Thing]

How do you figure Dos Santos will? I'm just curious, as he couldn't even finish Fat Country.

Roy Nelson is one of the more skilled and experienced fighters in the heavyweight divison. He's also in better shape, in terms of conditioning, than Shane Carwin (watch some of his pre-UFC MMA stuff or even the fight with Dos Santos before you laugh). If Carwin spent more time on conditioning he'd be champ. Nelson presented Dos Santos with a smarter opponent than Mir, who was caught in the emotion of the rematch, and someone who could go the distance unlike Carwin.

Carwin, while having a great wrestling background, is more of a brawler. That played into Brock's hands. Dos Santos will be a little bit more patient in there.

In terms of training, Dos Santos has two of the best with Nogueira and Silva. If you don't think they know more about analyzing an opponent and developing a game plan than anyone in Mir or Carwin's corner you're crazy.

Dos Santos goes in at 240 while Brock has to cut weight. I think that will affect him. Also, you can't dismiss the age difference.

It's all of those little factors that will make the difference.

[The Naitch]

Dos Santos goes in at 240 while Brock has to cut weight. I think that will affect him. Also, you can't dismiss the age difference.

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Does Brock have to be equal weight as Dos Santos if they fight?

[Rammsteinmad]

what would warrant a Carwin rematch?

Coz he destroyed Lesnar like nobody else? (in the first round anyway).

Dunno really, just something I'd like to see again.

I mean, if he has to work his way through the ranks or whatever, I can wait. But I just really wanna see these two go at it again.

[Rammsteinmad]

If Carwin got a rematch I'm hoping he'd do some SERIOUS work on his conditioning.

[Reavant]

Roy Nelson is one of the more skilled and experienced fighters in the heavyweight divison. He's also in better shape, in terms of conditioning, than Shane Carwin (watch some of his pre-UFC MMA stuff or even the fight with Dos Santos before you laugh). If Carwin spent more time on conditioning he'd be champ. Nelson presented Dos Santos with a smarter opponent than Mir, who was caught in the emotion of the rematch, and someone who could go the distance unlike Carwin.

Carwin, while having a great wrestling background, is more of a brawler. That played into Brock's hands. Dos Santos will be a little bit more patient in there.

In terms of training, Dos Santos has two of the best with Nogueira and Silva. If you don't think they know more about analyzing an opponent and developing a game plan than anyone in Mir or Carwin's corner you're crazy.

Dos Santos goes in at 240 while Brock has to cut weight. I think that will affect him. Also, you can't dismiss the age difference.

It's all of those little factors that will make the difference.

Hey genius... Carwin had greg jackson in his corner, so if you think that theres anyone out there whos better at analyzing a fight YOUR CRAZY

How did carwin being a brawler play into brocks hands? So what, Carwin being willing to swing and catching brock and dropping him and then going crazy on top for the finish was playing into brocks hands? GTFO.

Roy is not in better conditioning than carwin. My god. Carwin had a huge adrenaline dump after freaking the fuck out on top of lesnar. Roy doesnt do anything in his fights except throw a few yhaymakers and lay on a guys chest. Of course he looked like he had cardio with dos santos, he couldnt do anything at all, and your not burning energy if you are standing there not doing anything.

A weight cut isnt going to hurt or affect brock, are you crazy? Hes been doing it since he was in college and when your that size, a 10-15 lb cut is nothing.

[Reavant]

valazques will work lesnar.


in terms of the style of wrestling the two employ, cain's is more effective and he is also probably a better wrestler in mma. He can mix up strikes and takedowns on top of being fast. brock barrels in for double legs across the cage and doesnt set it up on top of looking completely awkward on his feet. He actually uses his shot to set up big punches which should tell you something.

[Next Big Thing]

How did carwin being a brawler play into brocks hands? So what, Carwin being willing to swing and catching brock and dropping him and then going crazy on top for the finish was playing into brocks hands? GTFO.

Roy is not in better conditioning than carwin. My god. Carwin had a huge adrenaline dump after freaking the fuck out on top of lesnar. Roy doesnt do anything in his fights except throw a few yhaymakers and lay on a guys chest. Of course he looked like he had cardio with dos santos, he couldnt do anything at all, and your not burning energy if you are standing there not doing anything.

A weight cut isnt going to hurt or affect brock, are you crazy? Hes been doing it since he was in college and when your that size, a 10-15 lb cut is nothing.

You answered most of this for me and made it easy. Good for you.

Carwin is a brawler and what did he do? He went out and punched himself tired, like brawlers do. The result? He faded and got choked out. End of story.

As far as trainers, Greg Jackson's amazing, but I'll still take Anderson Silva considering he's beaten up on a couple of Greg's boys already anyways.

Brock having to cut 10 to 15 pounds is no big deal when his opponents do too, like Mir and Carwin did, but it does make a difference when you're burning energy trying to cut weight and your opponent is already at his optimal weight.

Finally... relax. It's just the internet. No need to get all feisty over people who don't even know you exist.

[IC Champion]

15 pounds is nothing to Brock, he could lose that in just a work out.

[Funky Fly]

Does Brock have to be equal weight as Dos Santos if they fight?
No, but Brock is a natural 285 pounds and the heavyweight limit is 265.
You answered most of this for me and made it easy. Good for you.

Carwin is a brawler and what did he do? He went out and punched himself tired, like brawlers do. The result? He faded and got choked out. End of story.

As far as trainers, Greg Jackson's amazing, but I'll still take Anderson Silva considering he's beaten up on a couple of Greg's boys already anyways.

Brock having to cut 10 to 15 pounds is no big deal when his opponents do too, like Mir and Carwin did, but it does make a difference when you're burning energy trying to cut weight and your opponent is already at his optimal weight.

Finally... relax. It's just the internet. No need to get all feisty over people who don't even know you exist.

Mir and Carwin gained weight for their last fights.

[Next Big Thing]

No, but Brock is a natural 285 pounds and the heavyweight limit is 265.


Mir and Carwin gained weight for their last fights.

What the fuck!? That's not true at all. Carwin was like 15 pounds over the week and a half before the weigh in for Lesnar.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-lesnarcarwin063010

There's even mere on an audio interview talking about CUTTING DOWN to 245 for the UFC 100 Lesnar fight and then GAINING for 107.

http://mmahits.com/news/frank-mir-i-had-to-cut-weight-for-the-lesnar-fight/

[Reavant]

You answered most of this for me and made it easy. Good for you.

Carwin is a brawler and what did he do? He went out and punched himself tired, like brawlers do. The result? He faded and got choked out. End of story.

As far as trainers, Greg Jackson's amazing, but I'll still take Anderson Silva considering he's beaten up on a couple of Greg's boys already anyways.

Brock having to cut 10 to 15 pounds is no big deal when his opponents do too, like Mir and Carwin did, but it does make a difference when you're burning energy trying to cut weight and your opponent is already at his optimal weight.

Finally... relax. It's just the internet. No need to get all feisty over people who don't even know you exist.

He punched himself out like brawlers do? Forrest griffin, bonnar, liddell, roy nelson (who you think is a top conditioned heavyweight) are all brawlers who dont tire out. Carwin suffered an adrenaline dump from his style CAPITALIZING on lesnar, he just didnt finish.

Your putting anderson silva in higher regards as a trainer than greg jackson? Silva is a talent and hes beating great people but hes not doing that because hes an amazing analyst or even has that in his corner. My god watch his fights. Hes simply a counterpuncher and look what happens when he gets someone who wont engage him or who has great takedowns... He looked like he had the perfect gameplan for sonnen.

Do you even know what fighters train with jackson??


Clearly you know nothing at all about cutting weight so your view is not that unexpected, but in a day before weigh in where you get 24 hours to hydrate and rest your body, a 10-15 maybe 20lb cut on a 280 lb man will not affect him at all.

The fact that he will be 15-20 lbs over the weight come fight time is a huge advantage for him come fight time especially because dos santos is going to have to deal with that weight.

[Reavant]

No, but Brock is a natural 285 pounds and the heavyweight limit is 265.


Mir and Carwin gained weight for their last fights.

What the fuck!? That's not true at all. Carwin was like 15 pounds over the week and a half before the weigh in for Lesnar.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-lesnarcarwin063010

There's even mere on an audio interview talking about CUTTING DOWN to 245 for the UFC 100 Lesnar fight and then GAINING for 107.

http://mmahits.com/news/frank-mir-i-had-to-cut-weight-for-the-lesnar-fight/

Technically its true on both accounts.... mir gained a shit ton for his fight with kongo and kept it on for the carwin fight. Carwin started to lean up a bit and lost a buch of weight and started to put it back on for the lesnar fight.

Mir never had to actually cut to make 265 where carwin ended up needing to for the lesnar fight

[Next Big Thing]

He punched himself out like brawlers do? Forrest griffin, bonnar, liddell, roy nelson (who you think is a top conditioned heavyweight) are all brawlers who dont tire out. Carwin suffered an adrenaline dump from his style CAPITALIZING on lesnar, he just didnt finish.

Your putting anderson silva in higher regards as a trainer than greg jackson? Silva is a talent and hes beating great people but hes not doing that because hes an amazing analyst or even has that in his corner. My god watch his fights. Hes simply a counterpuncher and look what happens when he gets someone who wont engage him or who has great takedowns... He looked like he had the perfect gameplan for sonnen.

Do you even know what fighters train with jackson??


Clearly you know nothing at all about cutting weight so your view is not that unexpected, but in a day before weigh in where you get 24 hours to hydrate and rest your body, a 10-15 maybe 20lb cut on a 280 lb man will not affect him at all.

The fact that he will be 15-20 lbs over the weight come fight time is a huge advantage for him come fight time especially because dos santos is going to have to deal with that weight.

1) :rofl: You can't be fucking serious saying Carwin crapped out because of an adrenaline rush. Don't be a mark. I've yet to hear any of the great fighters claim they blew their load in the first round due to an adrenaline rush. You think he's the first guy to ever go out aggressive in the first round of a fight? You think he's the first guy to ever try to capitalize on a wounded opponent and not be able to finish him off in the first round?

2) Do YOU even know what fighters train with Greg Jackson? Pretty sure Nate Marquardt is one of those boys I said Silva beat the shit out of. If YOU knew who he trained maybe you would have thought twice about that comment.

3) Chael Sonnen has a good showing and now, Anderson Silva, who has won 13 straight is simply a counterpuncher. And you expect to be taken seriously by relegating one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time to the status of counterpuncher? GTFO.

[IC Champion]

Cain Velasquez is gonna work Brock like a government mule, Brock is gonna tire, and Cain is gonna get the win.

[Funky Fly]

1) :rofl: You can't be fucking serious saying Carwin crapped out because of an adrenaline rush. Don't be a mark. I've yet to hear any of the great fighters claim they blew their load in the first round due to an adrenaline rush. You think he's the first guy to ever go out aggressive in the first round of a fight? You think he's the first guy to ever try to capitalize on a wounded opponent and not be able to finish him off in the first round?

2) Do YOU even know what fighters train with Greg Jackson? Pretty sure Nate Marquardt is one of those boys I said Silva beat the shit out of. If YOU knew who he trained maybe you would have thought twice about that comment.

3) Chael Sonnen has a good showing and now, Anderson Silva, who has won 13 straight is simply a counterpuncher. And you expect to be taken seriously by relegating one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time to the status of counterpuncher? GTFO.
Adrenaline dump. The after effects, not the actual rush. Also, Silva's main weapon is counter punching. Granted he's great at pretty much everything, but he counter punches like a motherfucker.
Cain Velasquez is gonna work Brock like a government mule, Brock is gonna tire, and Cain is gonna get the win.
Hard to say. I doubt Cain will KO him at any point, but I can see it going to the 4th or 5th round in a close fight before either of them gains a significant upper hand.

[Reavant]

1) :rofl: You can't be fucking serious saying Carwin crapped out because of an adrenaline rush. Don't be a mark. I've yet to hear any of the great fighters claim they blew their load in the first round due to an adrenaline rush. You think he's the first guy to ever go out aggressive in the first round of a fight? You think he's the first guy to ever try to capitalize on a wounded opponent and not be able to finish him off in the first round?
Are you kidding? youve never heard the term adrenaline dump? It happens a lot, but usually a fighter can get past it. Carwin could not and Brock was too smart to let him.

Fuck it even happened to me in a fight but luckily i finished before the round came to close.


2) Do YOU even know what fighters train with Greg Jackson? Pretty sure Nate Marquardt is one of those boys I said Silva beat the shit out of. If YOU knew who he trained maybe you would have thought twice about that comment.
WOW hahahaha

GSP, Rashad Evans, Shane Carwin, Jon Jones, Donald Cerrone, Leonard Garcia, Keith Jardine, Nate Marquart, Clay Guida, Joe Stevenson, Brendan shaub, and Carlos Condit.


3) Chael Sonnen has a good showing and now, Anderson Silva, who has won 13 straight is simply a counterpuncher. And you expect to be taken seriously by relegating one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time to the status of counterpuncher? GTFO.

Yes he has won 13 strait victories by simply being a counterpuncher.

This isnt just because sonnen almost beat him, this is because of how he fights and what hes done in the cage. Anyone who has watched his fights would know that though... luckily I have. Let me educate you.

UFN5 against Chris Leban who runs right at you swinging, and played right into anderson's game and KOed Leban

UFC 64 Rich frankin came at him with his unorthodox style and anderson picked him apart

UFC 67 Travis Lutter was actually able to bring anderson to the ground where he mounted him and dominated him, then in the second round took him down again but got tired and caught in a triangle.

UFC 73 Marquart Trying to bring him down but his wrestling isnt good enough, gets tagged coming in, anderson then pounds him out on top.

UFC77 Rich Franklin again, same story

UFC 82 Dan Henderson takes him down in the first, and then throws a haymkaker in the second and gets counter punched, then silva jumped on him.

UFN 14 James Irvin throws a kick that is caught by anderson and then dropped with a cross

UFC 90 Patrick Cote employs a strategy to hang back and make anderson come to him, it doesnt happen. Anderson will not aggressivly engage. Cote blows out his knee taking a step.

UFC 97 Thales Leites again doesnt engage the whole fight. Anderson will not go after him or go to the ground with him. Only wants to counterpunch

UFC 101 Forrest Griffin comes right at him and falls flat on his face

UFC 112 Demian Maia doesnt engage the first three, anderson wond go after him, last two demian is aggressive, anderson decides to dance

UFC 117, Sonnen has the proper takedowns to get anderson down and control him and does. He makes a mistake in the fifth and anderson capitalizes. Even his fucking submissions are counters.


And by the way, theres nothing wrong with being labeled as just a counterpuncher. Thats like taking away from tyson in his prime by saying hes only a power puncher.

Seriously dude stop being a mark and actually read up or know what the fuck you comment on... men are talking here little boy

[The Show Off]

Velasquez vs. Lesnar is such a hard fight to pick because both fighters are so new in their careers and add new wrinkles to their game every time they go out.

Who knows how good both of them can be, and who knows how good both of them will be when they fight. We're talking about two guys who have a combined 14 fights in MMA and have a combined 7 years MMA experience under their belts. They're both around 4 years in and for most mixed martial artists that's just when they start to come into their own.

The scary thing is we've probably only seen a glimpse at how good these two can be they're so new to the sport.

[IC Champion]

I just think Cain is the better overall fighter, Brock is very one dimensional, and looks really uncomfortable on his feet. I think Cain can KO Brock, maybe not with one punch, but he could definetly pummel him into submission. Brock is going to have a hard time getting that double leg on Cain, who is faster, and more agile, and probably the better wrestler in terms of using it in MMA. Brock has mammoth size and wrestling, with freak athletism for a man his size, but that only goes so far. Cain is certainly the more well rounded fighter, and more skilled overall. If Cain can avoid getting pushed around, and can control the pace standing, it could be a very long night for Brock.

[Stickman]

I think Brock walks right through him. He's that good and only getting better.

[IC Champion]

I don't think he's "that" good. He relys on size, and his wrestling. His submission game is weak, despite choking out Carwin. His ground and pound is weak compared to others in the sport, and really it's not even average. If you think Brock walks through Cain, you have a surprise coming at 121. Brock is the to the heavyweight division what Matt Hughes was to the Welterweight division circa 05. A big, strong, dominant wrestler, who used his wrestling to control the fight and oppanents. Eventually someone is going to stuff his takedowns, and then Brock is left with nothing expect maybe swinging for the fences. Look at guys like Hughes and Ortiz as examples of what happens when everyones else wrestling catches up.

[BigDaddyCool]

I know who can beat Lesnar.

http://www.celebritydesktop.com/images/sports/steve_blackman.jpg

[alvarado52]

i love Brock, but i got Cain on this one. He doesnt have the power of Carwin, but he is a much more accurate striker. Cant say i see him KO'ing Lesnar, but i think it'll be a grind and come down to who has the cardio.

[Reavant]

I wouldnt say his ground and pound is weak at all...

[IC Champion]

I wouldnt say his ground and pound is weak at all...

I didn't mean weak power wise, I mean't weak in terms of skill and technical prowess.

[Reavant]

well he tied mir into a pretzel before pounding him out so whether that was technical or not it was impressive

[IC Champion]

Yeah but Mir can't wrestle for shit.

[Stickman]

I don't get why everybody shits on Lesner? Is it because he's a dick who made fame and fortune in the WWE?

[Krimzon7]

people kill me with this 'brock is one dimensional' shit. Before the last fight who would've called him tapping somebody? NONE OF YOU FUCKERS. he works his ass off...and he only shows what he has to. until somebody makes him work, why not stick to the vanilla formula.

[Reavant]

not true... as long as he is on top and in control, I can totally see him tapping anyone especially with the type of move he used.

now watch out if he cant take someone down right away, because while he works his ass off, he is not comfortable on his feet at all.

[The Mask]

he's gonna beat velasquez by head kick followed by shooting star press.

[alvarado52]

Brock is gonna beat cain via anaconda squeeze. He has been training with nacho libre.

[Jordan]

This is such a hard fight to pick, and a dangerous fight for Brock Lesnar. Is it more dangerous than Shane Carwin? I don't know, Cain is a machine and a great wrester with perhaps the best ground and pound going. Is he a better wrestler than Brock Lesnar? I don't know, perhaps but Brock does seem to have a big size and strength advantage. I think if the fight does go the distance then it will be in Cain's corner, but more than likely I think Brock will submit him with a guillotine from the bottom in round 2 or 4.

I am not counting Cain out, I don't want him to win but I think he has a damn good chance. He is an amazing fighter but my instinct tells me that fighting a freak like Brock isn't going to go in his favor.

[Mr. JL]

I could see this fight looking a lot like Lesnar's fight against Herring. Except that Cain will be more dangerous and will have an extra two rounds to catch Lesnar.

[Funky Fly]

You kow you're saying that to an MMA champ, right?

Someone post the videos plz.

[Fignuts]

lol of all the posters here to say that to.

[Krimzon7]

not true... as long as he is on top and in control, I can totally see him tapping anyone especially with the type of move he used.

now watch out if he cant take someone down right away, because while he works his ass off, he is not comfortable on his feet at all.

This post wasn't really directed at you, with actual fight/game planning experience... But you're right. If G N P can't do the job from mount, then you should be able to pop over for at least a head and arm choke.

Brock isn't comfortable on his feet, but he's progressed so far. There isn't any reason to indicate that he won't be better in Brocktober (I'm a marketing mark) than he was vs Carwin. Now that doesn't mean that he'll be good enough to trade with Cain.

God, it's a great time to be an MMA fan!

[Reavant]

Adrenaline dump is a complete and utter myth. You clearly do not understand Mixed Martial Arts.

You know going for the finish is simply a ko or sub, not actually killing or opponent or a "fatality" if you will

[The Mask]

reavant is a champion now?

[BigDaddyCool]

No I beat him last night.

[Reavant]

reavant is a champion now?

have been for over a year... its kinda bs but yea

[BigDaddyCool]

I'm challenging Reavant a fight for the championship. Hardcore rules.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

"Adrenaline dump" is an MMA term but a real thing, but it shouldn't be happening to a professional fighter at the highest level, it's still a form of gassing at the end of the day. It suggests he hadn't prepared or warmed up properly, or he was absolutely terrified. To me it just looked like Carwin punched himself out. He threw a lot of punches without doing a substantial amount of damage.

[The Mask]

i'm sure it's real but probably overused as an excuse when fat cunts who didn't put in the work gas themselves out. or it could just be viewed as that period before you get your second wind, although ideally you'd be going into the fight on your second wind already i think.

[The Mask]

have been for over a year... its kinda bs but yea

i looked it up :cool: nice. are you still amateur then? what's the plan? also how much do you weigh in at?

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I think in many other fights, the number of undefended punches Carwin landed on the floor may have seen it stopped. As it was, he got excited and gassed himself out throwing too many crap punches, instead of picking out good ones.

[The Mask]

brock was still intelligently defending himself. it looked a close call at the time but in retrospect it was right to let it go on, and not because brock won.

[Funky Fly]

Claiming that Carwin lost to Lesnar due to this adenaline dump nonsense gives no respect to Lesnar whatsoever. Lesnar won because he is a better fighter. Period. People just hate on Lesnar due to his sports-entertainment background.

K, I am not one to doubt Lesnar at all. If you don't believe it, look it up. Listen carefully now, Brock is good and all, but Carwin tired himself the fuck out going Donkey Kong on Lesnar. Lesnar said himself in the post fight interview that he waited for Carwin to tire, so relax buddy.

[Reavant]

"Adrenaline dump" is an MMA term but a real thing, but it shouldn't be happening to a professional fighter at the highest level, it's still a form of gassing at the end of the day. It suggests he hadn't prepared or warmed up properly, or he was absolutely terrified. To me it just looked like Carwin punched himself out. He threw a lot of punches without doing a substantial amount of damage.

exactly, he went to capitalize and went ballistic. Throwing a ton of punches and being extremely active. Carwin may have very well been in fantastic shape however you need a lot of oxygen to go to all those muscles he has, and if you deprive them of that for too long and exert yourself that hard during the time your not taking air in, your muscles are going to shut down just like they did.

[Reavant]

i looked it up :cool: nice. are you still amateur then? what's the plan? also how much do you weigh in at?

yes. duno yet have a job thats putting fighting on hold. 265

[Reavant]

had brock been in the same position as carwin and reacted the same way, he would have gassed as well.

[The Mask]

are you actually 265 or just fight at that?

[The Naitch]

Reavent has always reminded me of Kane

[Funky Fly]

He's got a lion mane now, so stick a mask on him and he might look like old school Kane.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I'm sure Tim Sylvia once took a huge adrenaline dump in his shorts.

[The Naitch]

that was Psycho Sid

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

http://a.imageshack.us/img824/2818/fd2323rd2.jpg

[Reavant]

are you actually 265 or just fight at that?

i generally come down from above that

[The Naitch]

anyone been watching the UFC Primetime?

Lesnar's physique is even more impressive now. He seems to be getting better and better as time goes by

I read in the Matt Hughes book that Brock came into the Miletich gym, rolled around for a bit, did something wrong against gym etiquette, and Pat said "Hey we don't do that here!" He was never seen at that gym again. This was around 2005

[Reavant]

Yea he looks great... he had to change his diet around after the sickness which is probably why he looks so lean

[Krimzon7]

Great may not even be a good enough word, Seriously. In the first show, he was jumping rope, and I was just amazed at how put together he looked. This guy was never in bad shape! But his physique now makes his earlier days look like Brock the fatty

[Krimzon7]

Yea he looks great... he had to change his diet around after the sickness which is probably why he looks so lean

While I can respect the fact that he's a private guy, I really wish we could get a look at his diet, and what he's changed.

[Lui Kang]

While I can respect the fact that he's a private guy, I really wish we could get a look at his diet, and what he's changed.

Agreed.

The only thing I can think of is that he cut down on his carbs. My guess is that as a professional athlete, his sugar intake way pretty low to begin with. His protein consumption has probably always been pretty high.

[Krimzon7]

Agreed.

The only thing I can think of is that he cut down on his carbs. My guess is that as a professional athlete, his sugar intake way pretty low to begin with. His protein consumption has probably always been pretty high.


It's be interesting. I'd shit myself laughing if Brock came back talking about him becoming a vegan or some silly shit!

[Kris P Lettus]

Got $100 on Brock..

[Reavant]

He actually started eating more carbs like vegtables. He said his diet before consisted mainly of what he hunted so I imagine he had a higher cholesterol from all the red meat.

[Krimzon7]

Brock should come out in full Conan garb. If anderson silva/gsp can come out in a GI

Brock should come out in a loin cloth with a fucking axe.

[Kris P Lettus]

He should be carried by tiny Asians on a throne..

[Funky Fly]

Fucking pumped.

*sticky*

[VSG]

Ya, tonight should be good. Good food, beverages and a great fight looms ahead :y:

[Savio]

Fucking pumped.

*sticky*
Should prob change the name if you sticky. THERE ARE OTHER MATCHES ON THE CARD.

I want to see Tito vs Hamill myself. If Tito loses his career is over.

[Funky Fly]

FINE SAVIOR

[The Show Off]

I always get caught up in how guys look at the weigh in as if that somehow is a crystal ball to the future.

For example I saw how shreaded Tito Ortiz looked at the weigh in I was like "Damn Tito is back!" and then I realize... no that's fucking stupid.

That isn't to say that Brock isn't in better shape than he has been in the past just I'm not sure if that's going to matter come tonight. This match is such a toss up. As I've said before these two are so new to fighting that its hard to say who will win because they'll both be totally different fighters come tonight than we've seen before. The newer a fighter is to the sport the less you can extrapolate from their previous fights.

[The Naitch]

Tito always looks shredded at the weigh-ins. Then he goes back to looking like a white gorilla

[Confused]

Really looking forward to the fight between Lesnar and Velasquez.

The UFC heavyweight division has come a long, long way in a few years.

[Reavant]

lesnar has a beard... he will win. nuf said

[Bad Company]

How many hours till the event guys?

[Savio]

like 5

[blake639raw]

Anybody have a stream for the event?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Prediction: Brock Lesnar retains via Kurt Angle Run-in

[IC Champion]

lesnar has a beard... he will win. nuf said

Beards are for queers.

[Skippord]

Reavant will pound your face in for saying that

[Razzamajazz]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

got a good stream and some lasagna

[Savio]

Prediction: Brock Lesnar retains via Kurt Angle Run-in
Disagree, Cain wins after illegal shot from Bud-Light bottle.

[VSG]

Alright, it's show time!

[Savio]

lol they always say its "the biggest fight of all time"

[Razzamajazz]

cain velasquez is THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR

[Razzamajazz]

god dammit they closed all my working streams

[Savio]

Pretty good card.

[Savio]

HE GREASING!

[Razzamajazz]

wow that guy is a mongoloid

[Savio]

Jason is a twig

[VSG]

Saved by the bell!

[Razzamajazz]

time for old man tito

[Savio]

They aren't showing any highlights from hamills win against Jones. :shifty:

[Razzamajazz]

lol at all the boos

[VSG]

Oh, the old gray mare, she ain't what she used to be,
Ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be.
The old gray mare, she ain't what she used to be,
Many long years ago.

[Savio]

1st round tito 2nd round Hamill

[Savio]

I swear cecil peoples does not know how to judge

[Razzamajazz]

did i just see the undertaker and michelle mcool in the audience?

[VSG]

LOL Taker and McCool in the audience. Vince must be hating Taker's guts here.

[RoXer]

Nyanyahhauhruhnneehanyuhnyuhhernyahnuh

[Savio]

LOL Taker and McCool in the audience. Vince must be hating Taker's guts here.
Woo Kane wins at Braggin Rights!

[VSG]

Nah, Taker is "immune" to anything and everything in the WWE.

[VSG]

Definite contender for MOTN here.

[Razzamajazz]

yes, jesus is the reason you kicked that guy's ass

[Razzamajazz]

every fight is going to the judges. lesnar better not let that happen

[Lock Jaw]

Lesnar looks like a lumberjack.

[VSG]

Wonder if that beard is there for a reason. To reduce submission grip?

[Savio]

Pic from Lesnars entrance:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSV_CF82IF3X_cACrlIG6Gpjxjn_W6bTqffnI2fO3lIxkhCQsQ&t=1&usg=__ke5KPI8T7_GVemWcWipnDZAovhY=

[Razzamajazz]

he showed that cop who's boss

[Lock Jaw]

This Bruce Buffer guy is terrible.

[Razzamajazz]

FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK

[G]

damn

[VSG]

FUCK!

[Razzamajazz]

that's a nasty cut

[Corndad]

Shit didn't expect over that quick at all. That was Impressive.

[Savio]

word

[VSG]

I am so disappointed after that great start Brock had. What's the return match scenario in UFC like?

[Lock Jaw]

Lesnar's weakness is the Latino People.

[VSG]

LOL

[owenbrown]

holy shit you fucking kidding me?

[RoXer]

Fuckin retards and mexicans winning the ufc and a fuckin black for president.

It is truly the end of times

[Skippord]

I turned on the stream to see Lesnar hemorrhaging blood from his face as Velasquez walked around the octagon like nothing happened

[Savio]

Brock is cursed, loses WWE title to the first Mexican champ and the UFC title to the first Mexican champ.

[VSG]

I turned on the stream to see Lesnar hemorrhaging blood from his face as Velasquez walked around the octagon like nothing happened

It wasn't as simple as that but ya :'( :'( :'(

[IC Champion]

Lesnar looked lost there for a minute.

[Savio]

Lesnar's weakness is the Latino People.
ahhh you said it before me.

[VSG]

Just noticed Paul Heyman is not on the premises.

[Razzamajazz]

Just noticed Paul Heyman is not on the premises.

CONSPIRACY!

[Aguakate]

Huh.

[Corndad]

I see Brock working his way back up for a rematch fairly quick, who else in Heavyweight will step up in the mean time?

[VSG]

This is UFC's weakness right here- the need to fill in over 30 min of PPV time.

[Hanso Amore]

Ithinks Cain goes on to Dos Santos or Carwin, and Brock gets Nog or something like that. Something that allos lesnar a chance to win a fight and get a rematch

[VSG]

Junior Dos Santos is next in line.

[Hanso Amore]

Just seeing Madesn now.

BACKNE HARD

ROIDS

But he is fatter than his TUF days

[VSG]

Twitter traffic has gone berserk.

[Savio]

I wanna see Brock destroy Lashley now.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Ithinks Cain goes on to Dos Santos or Carwin, and Brock gets Nog or something like that. Something that allos lesnar a chance to win a fight and get a rematch

Didn't Carwin just test positive for steroids? How can he be allowed to jump back into the title contendership that quickly?

Is there some sort of rematch clause for Brock? It seems like there is alot of rematches in MMA/boxing.

[Krimzon7]

FUCK NO THERE IS NO REMATCH CLAUSE FOR GETTING KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT. Dos Santos is next. Then we get a nice little elimination tourney. That starts with Carwin/Nelson. Then we'll see (if God loves us) Mir/Lesnar III. Probably throw Nog in with Kongo or even Shaub(I know, it's WAY too early). This is why we should all love the UFC HW division. BTW, this Shields guy SUCKS

[Next Big Thing]

Didn't Carwin just test positive for steroids? How can he be allowed to jump back into the title contendership that quickly?

Is there some sort of rematch clause for Brock? It seems like there is alot of rematches in MMA/boxing.

No. He was on a list. Sonnen tested positive.

MMA isn't really like pro wrestling where there are automatic rematches. Unless the fight is close, the UFC moves on pretty quickly as evidenced by the commentary/interview after Brock's loss where Rogan pretty much told him to go back to the drawing board and then proceeded to acknowledge a new era ala Machida after he beat Evans. I kind of felt bad for Brock.

[Next Big Thing]

FUCK NO THERE IS NO REMATCH CLAUSE FOR GETTING KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT. Dos Santos is next. Then we get a nice little elimination tourney. That starts with Carwin/Nelson. Then we'll see (if God loves us) Mir/Lesnar III. Probably throw Nog in with Kongo or even Shaub(I know, it's WAY too early). This is why we should all love the UFC HW division. BTW, this Shields guy SUCKS

I wouldn't say Shields sucks. He fought Henderson at 185 and dropped 15 pounds for this fight. Despite not fighting at his usual weight, he still couldn't be handled on the ground and showed some pretty good grappling skills. Plus hype like his is always due to disappoint at some point. It's like GSP vs. Hardy. One bad performance does not equate to a bad fighter.

Cheik Kongo might get killed if he's Brock's return fight. I too am praying for Mir/Lesnar III.

Bruce Buffer added too many fucking syllables to people's names. I felt like he was worse than usual tonight.

[The Mask]

word shields looked awful. cain was amazing, also in retrospect it may have been silly to have lesnar as the #1 ranked heavyweight in mma. seems he can't take a punch without curling up in a ball, fedor would kill him.

[The Mask]

also i was sort of gutted the fight got ended so early. i would like to see how ugly brocks cut could have got, since i'm a sick bastard.

[Krimzon7]

I wouldn't say Shields sucks. He fought Henderson at 185 and dropped 15 pounds for this fight. Despite not fighting at his usual weight, he still couldn't be handled on the ground and showed some pretty good grappling skills. Plus hype like his is always due to disappoint at some point. It's like GSP vs. Hardy. One bad performance does not equate to a bad fighter.

Cheik Kongo might get killed if he's Brock's return fight. I too am praying for Mir/Lesnar III.

Bruce Buffer added too many fucking syllables to people's names. I felt like he was worse than usual tonight.

You're right, I should say Shelds sucked. I was impressed with his grappling, but not his takedown offense, nor his standup. I guess one out of three will get you a split decision. Diego Sanchez looked good today also.

Oh, Mask...There was a lot of rope given to Brock, maybe too much. I think the fight coulda ended earlier. Leave it to the Mask (that sickhead :p) to wanna see more blood. You could see Lesnars cheekbone!

[Next Big Thing]

You're right, I should say Shelds sucked. I was impressed with his grappling, but not his takedown offense, nor his standup. I guess one out of three will get you a split decision. Diego Sanchez looked good today also.

Oh, Mask...There was a lot of rope given to Brock, maybe too much. I think the fight coulda ended earlier. Leave it to the Mask (that sickhead :p) to wanna see more blood. You could see Lesnars cheekbone!

Sanchez was a beast.

I'm not sure Shields deserves that automatic title shot. I know that was something he probably had negotiated into his contract, but he did come off a little one dimensional. Imagine if he was in there with a wrestler like Koscheck or a more well rounded fighter like GSP. He might have some problems with the winner of that fight. Maybe he should put the weight back on and chance it with Anderson.

Brendan Schaub looked good too. He definitely has some holes in his game he should fill, but he's a pretty good striker. Give him some time and I think he's a legit contender.

[Hanso Amore]

Oh come on. Everyone has been pushing against Brock in ever fight he has had waiting for him to lose.

he wasnt overrated.

Look at UFC history. He lasted the same length as the typical HW champ. Just as many defenses as anyone else.

[Hanso Amore]

He won some good fights, and I really think he comes back and pushes for the title again.

[Krimzon7]

Yes, Schaub will be good. A fight with Kongo, who I was pairing Schaub with in my earlier scenario, would be good. Then a rematch with Roy Nelson would be fitting. THEN Big Nog, and then the big boys.

Shields would get anally raped by The entire MW division. HE's in the safest place, but he needs to get with the boxing. I would look like a contender boxing with him.

[Hanso Amore]

I think they have t his same fight again, it goes another way. While Cain dominated, thats how these fights go.

Cain looked amazing though. But both guys can go either way from here

[Hanso Amore]

I wasnt here earlier. MAD IMPRESSED with Court stepping up to the plate

[Krimzon7]

Allow me to clarify, Hanso. I DO NOT THINK LESNAR IS OVERRATED. He was a great champ, and he set the record for title defenses. I just think Carwin showed a blueprint, and Cain executed it. But I'll be dammed if I miss one of his fights! I am a fan.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Lesnar needs to go down the ladder a bit. This is not a shot at Lesnar. The fact is, people like Cain, Carwin, Dos Santos, etc, are beating people and working there way up, and they're gaining experience while they're doing it. Lesnar on the other hand is essentially getting thrown to the wolves. Let the dude have a few fights that aren't huge fights against big names, so he can train, and implement what he's leaning in actual fights.

Let him fight like, Kongo, then Nelson, then Nog. A pretty good progression of talent, and it'll let him gradually improve.

[Funky Fly]

Not to mention that Cain actually has similar wrestling credentials to Lesnar. How about those 5 seconds of wrestling before Cain promptly escaped?

[Krimzon7]

HOLY SHIT, I'm just hearing the post fight presser and the word is Brock verbally submitted!

I can see Herb Jumping in and stopping the fight, but for Brock to murmur 'STOP'....what the fuck?

He's gotta live with that.

[Next Big Thing]

GSP tapped to strikes. Sometimes you just gotta know when to fold em.

[MoFo]

Ma boi Sanchez back on form again.

Also, Shields isnt shit, looked pretty good on the ground.

[RP]

Cain Velasquez took a adrinaline dump on Brocks face.

[Fignuts]

HOLY SHIT, I'm just hearing the post fight presser and the word is Brock verbally submitted!

I can see Herb Jumping in and stopping the fight, but for Brock to murmur 'STOP'....what the fuck?

He's gotta live with that.

Well that's certainly embarrassing.

[Funky Fly]

No it's not. If Cain Velazquez was beating my ass, I'd be crying like a little bitch.

[Fignuts]

That's because you're not 4 brick shithouses stacked together, like Brock Lesnar.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Lesnar gassed really badly. He could barely stand up after a couple of minutes before he'd even taken any real damage. That's pretty awful.

[Confused]

Lesnar has a lot of improving to do if he is to take the title off Velasquez.

What was really impressive, for me, was Velasquez was so calm and composed, even when he was put under pressure.

[RP]

Lesnar gassed really badly. He could barely stand up after a couple of minutes before he'd even taken any real damage. That's pretty awful.

I dont think he gassed. I think he took a sick knee to the stomach/ribs.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I didn't see that, but that would be a fight ender. Not enough body shots in UFC for my liking.

[RP]

I think it was when he twirled to get back up and got up against the fence and Valesquez started throwing combo's and then clinched and knee right to the abdominal area. Lesnar went down and covered up.

[MoFo]

I think it was when he twirled to get back up and got up against the fence and Valesquez started throwing combo's and then clinched and knee right to the abdominal area. Lesnar went down and covered up.


Was that when he went sprawling half way across the cage?

I didn't see what caught him but he fell and then fell again, and wasnt the same after it.

[RP]

right after that.

[RP]

Valesquez clinched and kneed him and Lesnar crumbled to the ground.

[Rammsteinmad]

Anyone know of a good torrent for this event?

[Savio]

I think it was when he twirled to get back up and got up against the fence and Valesquez started throwing combo's and then clinched and knee right to the abdominal area. Lesnar went down and covered up.
Yeah I think it was the shoots after that which got him.

I would say after taking that first hit he should have just stayed on his back and defended from there.

[RP]

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=5719315


Its in the video of this link. Lesnar twirls across the ring, get up and gathers against the cage. Velasquez comes in throws about 3 punchs to the face then clinches and throws a sick knee right in Lesnars upper abdominal. Lesnar crumbles. That's what fucked him.

[Rammsteinmad]

Oh shit. That looks like quite an embarassing loss. I mean, in all fairness, props to Lesnar, everyone loses at some point, but damn he was all over the place.

[Stickman]

Watching the start of that fight with Brock throwing the jumping knee I was super excited, then Cain stuffed a take down attempt with ease and then Brock rolling to the far side of the cage I could tell it was good night. Good job Cain.

Shitty all other fights when the distance.

Shields looked pretty meh. GSP is going to rip his asshole open after he kicks Kos' ego in.

[CSL]

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[Kris P Lettus]

I lost $50..

[McLegend]

WTF was up with that? Pretty sweet though.

[Next Big Thing]

If you watch the fight and imagine Brock saying "I'm a wild man" over and over during the round, you may give yourself a laugh, especially when he does that wild kamikaze death roll.

[The Mask]

lol undertaker :'(

[McLegend]

The Undertaker is crazy.

[Next Big Thing]

I think it's a work.

Do you guys think if Lesnar had a more reserved game plan instead of going full throttle the outcome would have been different or do you think Velasquez had this either way?

[Savio]

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=5719315


Its in the video of this link. Lesnar twirls across the ring, get up and gathers against the cage. Velasquez comes in throws about 3 punchs to the face then clinches and throws a sick knee right in Lesnars upper abdominal. Lesnar crumbles. That's what fucked him.I know, I was agreeing.

[IC Champion]

Brock verabally submitted, that's awesome.

[VSG]

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/403328813/mhbx43_bigger.jpg Mexican Fucking Power baby!!!!!
about 1 hour ago via Echofon

Mexicans are to Lesner what kryptonite is to Superman!! 1st Eddie now Velasquez!
28 minutes ago via Echofon

Wow!!still stunned! Drink a corona and eat a burrito now mother Fu$&er!
12 minutes ago via Echofon

If only Velasquez would have done the Eddie shoulder shimmer at the end!
10 minutes ago via Echofon

I know why!!RT @HurricaneHelms: For some reason I wanna Corona. Don't know why! Lol Viva La Raza! Lol Brock'll be back though.
3 minutes ago via Echofon

[Next Big Thing]

Yeah. I don't know why Mayweather got so much shit for saying he was going to make Pacquiao make him some sushi after he beat him, but Brock says after he kicks Velasquez's ass he's going to eat a burrito and drink a Corona in honor of Cain's Mexican heritage and no one got up in arms.

[RoXer]

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wtf is that about?

[VSG]

Stupid rumours abound that Brock wants extended time off for a 1-time WWE deal to face Taker at Wrestlemania 27. No way Dana will allow that to happen, especially since we know Brock won't win that and hence will look weak heading back to UFC.

[RP]

why would it matter if he looks weak? MMA isnt wrestling.

[IC Champion]

Losing in a fake sport nobody cares about anymore would clearly destroy any crediability Brock had built for himself, c'mon now.

[VSG]

You guys actually think it won't affect UFC PPV buys? We are talking about a million+ buys here, most of whom are regular guys who like to be entertained whether it be WWE (scripted and guaranteed) or UFC (unpredictable). Most people will perceive another big loss by Brock as a sense of "not being a badass" anymore in conjunction to his UFC record of 4-2. Sure, there are fans who know Brock was literally fed to the wolves but I will still stand by my point here.

[RP]

So you assume MMA fans dont know WWE is fake? Come on. Stop it.

[IC Champion]

You guys actually think it won't affect UFC PPV buys? We are talking about a million+ buys here, most of whom are regular guys who like to be entertained whether it be WWE (scripted and guaranteed) or UFC (unpredictable). Most people will perceive another big loss by Brock as a sense of "not being a badass" anymore in conjunction to his UFC record of 4-2. Sure, there are fans who know Brock was literally fed to the wolves but I will still stand by my point here.

That is a ridiculous statement. Again, I wanna remind you this is a fake sport, in which everyone knows it is fake, just to be clear.

[VSG]

Very well. If at all these rumours come to fruit, we will see.

[IC Champion]

Go back to the wresting forum, I mean that in the nicest way possible.

[IC Champion]

Very well. If at all these rumours come to fruit, we will see.

They never will, so we won't.

[Next Big Thing]

Very well. If at all these rumours come to fruit, we will see.

From a business standpoint VSG, if Brock hypothetically did sign with WWE for a one time deal, do you really think he'd agree to job. Especially if they wanted him to job clean or made to look weak? He's too proud for that and likely doesn't need the money to where he would have to accept terms like that.

[Krimzon7]

While I lol'd. I think it's still a dick move by 'Taker. Personal beef, professional 'mob' match offer, or whatever. He knows Brock's number, he know's his way around and to his lockerroom. Save that bravado shit...fucking high impact actors...and I like wrestling.

[Reavant]

So you assume MMA fans dont know WWE is fake? Come on. Stop it.

dude, there were people a table over from me that honestly thought mma was not real and lesnar was hiding razors in his gloves to cut himself.

[IC Champion]

You could clearly see him blading himself.

[The Mask]

just been rewatching the end and i think the knee everyone said hit his chest/body actually clipped his chin

[McLegend]

The Undertaker is the man.

[The Phenom]

Cain decimated Lesner in the first round. He busted Lesner face up bad, Cain is the new champion.

[RoXer]

I disagree

[IC Champion]

What's there to disagree with? Brock got destroyed.

[Innovator]

That knee destroyed Brock

[IC Champion]

The knee rocked him, he then got mauled foir the next 2 minutes and that was that. not to mention Brock gassed out.

[Funky Fly]

What's there to disagree with? Brock got destroyed.

Pretty sure that was a joke.

[IC Champion]

Don't point out sarcastic comments to me.

[IC Champion]

You can never be to sure either.

[Funky Fly]

Roxer is the king of sarcasm.

Also the king of the beavers.

[Loose Cannon]

You could clearly see him blading himself.

lol, made me laugh

[Reavant]

i dont think brock gassed out at all... im pretty sure he just couldnt control his motor functions anymore

[Reavant]

he also got hit behind the ears a t least once and that will make you wobble and give you that gassed look, but really your body just cant control itself

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

When he went spinning across the cage and Rogan said "Brock looks exhausted", I was thinking "No, he doesn't. He looks like he just got hurt badly".

Brock's problem seems to be that his technique disappears when he gets wobbled. Hopefully he can overcome that with more training, and keep his mind clear when he's hurt.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

No, he actually did look exhausted. For me he didn't have that uneven gait people get from a hard smack to the head, which is why I felt he looked tired. I didn't see any serious, jarring hits to the head either which would cause him to be wobbly. He genuinely looked shattered, which may have come from panic.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

The reverse angle showed a really nasty shot to the chin, just before he went dancing.

[Reavant]

he got hit behind the ears watch it again

[The Mask]

he did kinda go balls out right at the beginning and judging by his total lack of technique when getting punched i wouldn't be surprised if he held his breath while getting whaled on.

[alvarado52]

Just my two pesos here, but i think he got a good smack behind the ear, which threw off his balance and sent him wobbling. I think he was abit gassed as well.

The real reason he lost is because, like stated earlier, when shit hits the fan he just forgets any and all technique and rolls into a ball.

I also never liked the fact that when he throws a punch he looks like he closes his eyes and tucks away his head.

[Reavant]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3610/brockcain.gif
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[Reavant]

its there for you all to see again


lesnar clips himself coming in for the takedown that sent him spinning across the cage

[Reavant]

again... just because joe rogan says something in commentary doesnt mean thats whats going on

[Reavant]

he wasnt tired... he was delirious/afraid to get hit anymore

[Krimzon7]

Again, when Reavant discusses something MMA related...he's right.

[Savio]

does look like he got hit in the back of the head

[El Capitano Gatisto]

again... just because joe rogan says something in commentary doesnt mean thats whats going on

I was thinking it before Joe Rogan said it. And it looks like the knee in the gifs that takes it out of him, the knee is sending him to the ground.

At around 2 minutes on the time in that video, when I was watching that fight, I thought Lesnar looked tired. He tried the takedown, it's stuffed, then they are swinging again and Lesnar looks laboured and tired. I don't think he was in brilliant shape for that fight, for whatever reason. He came out quick early on but he looks gassed after 2 minutes. About 30 seconds later Cain takes Lesnar down with basically no trouble whatsoever and from then on the fight is over because Lesnar is never really able to defend himself properly.

[RP]

I honestly thought Lesnar was in serious trouble when he had Valesquez's back and took him to the ground an Cain popped right back up. Right then i thought ok, Lesnar should be able to keep this guy. Lesnar just didnt look as powerful as usual. And that knee to the face was vicious ( my mistake, thought it was to the stomach the way he went down ).

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I don't think the knee landed on his face, looks to me like it caught it in the ribs. I think you were right first time, just a bit higher up.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What it comes down to is Brock performed badly and executed an awful strategy, against a fucking mauler like Cain Velasquez. You can't have such a bush league approach against the cream of the crop, or they'll make you pay. If he was more patient things could have turned out differently, probably not tho... but now it's back to the drawing board and I feel like we'll see a much better Brock Lesnar next time out.

He needs to go to a new camp though.

Also, I don't see JDS having a hope in hell in consistantly being able to stop Cain Velasquez's takedowns. He hasn't fought a legit wrestler yet, so i don't like his chances.

[The Mask]

it's kind of weird JDS has been pushed straight to the title shot. he fought roy nelson who fair enough as i guess he's upper mid carder to use wrestling terminology, but i think he should have had to fight one of the bigger fighters like mir or carwin or big nog or something. do him and big nog train together? i don't even know. i guess he beat werdum though.

i would kind of like to see him fight cheick kongo, they seem to match well in that it would be a stand up war. and then if kongo loses he can be fucked off foreverrrr.

[Reavant]

I was thinking it before Joe Rogan said it. And it looks like the knee in the gifs that takes it out of him, the knee is sending him to the ground.

At around 2 minutes on the time in that video, when I was watching that fight, I thought Lesnar looked tired. He tried the takedown, it's stuffed, then they are swinging again and Lesnar looks laboured and tired. I don't think he was in brilliant shape for that fight, for whatever reason. He came out quick early on but he looks gassed after 2 minutes. About 30 seconds later Cain takes Lesnar down with basically no trouble whatsoever and from then on the fight is over because Lesnar is never really able to defend himself properly.

if lesnar gets hit in any way he gets rattled it seems... when he came in hard right off the bat, it looked like cain hit some vicious uppercuts and hooks in the clinch also once cain sprung back up, Id say the labored appearance was more disappointment

[Reavant]

it's kind of weird JDS has been pushed straight to the title shot. he fought roy nelson who fair enough as i guess he's upper mid carder to use wrestling terminology, but i think he should have had to fight one of the bigger fighters like mir or carwin or big nog or something. do him and big nog train together? i don't even know. i guess he beat werdum though.

i would kind of like to see him fight cheick kongo, they seem to match well in that it would be a stand up war. and then if kongo loses he can be fucked off foreverrrr.

yea once werdum beat fedor, they said jds's next match would be a contender match.

[Stickman]

Why is this a sticky?

[Jura]

It was for the last ppv but no one has "unstickied" it.

[Funky Fly]

yeah, my bad.