Indy Wrestling

[Furious Beardsley]

I'm really curious to hear why some people hate on Indy Wrestling so much. Sure, it's easy to hate on what you don't know, but why the indy's? There is tons of talent out there that many people ignore just because they don't wrestle on USA, SyFy, or SpikeTV.

I want to see a real discussion start out of this...no "spot monkey this" and "Spot monkey that". Let's give actual reasons as to WHY you don't like it, is there just too much wrestling on an Indy card for you and not enough promos and stupid skits? Are people just pulling the Michale Cole card and saying that if it isn't WWE then it's crap?

For instance, I love indy wrestling, then energy that you can feel when you go to some indy shows is far different than going to an arena and watching wrestling. Alot of times the matches are exciting and fun to watch, plus there is actual crowd interaction. When you meet them after the matches, they are usually pretty cool people too and just appreciate that you came out to watch the show.

Sure those are generic reasons as to why I love it, but I do. There is something about going to these shows and then seeing these guys show up on television a few years later and you can say "I saw him wrestle at the local Eagles Club" or something along those lines.

[The Pope]

Too many "spot apes".

[Furious Beardsley]

well, there goes the opportunity for an actual discussion on the subject

[The Pope]

All thanks to me!... that's pretty much the reason though. Every guy under 220 lbs. will try to fly around and pretend there is no such thing as gravity only to fuck up 90% of the time.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

There's 2 reasons why people don't like indy wrestling:

1) They don't watch it, therefore they assume it sucks.
2) Indy wrestling fans.

[The Pope]

There's 2 reasons why people don't like indy wrestling:

1) They don't watch it, therefore they assume it sucks.
2) Indy wrestling fans.

and
3) RoH fans think they are smart as hell but sound like complete morons. Especially when RoH came to Phoenix on Mania weekend. They chanted "Fuck Wrestlemania" but they were the same fans that had come from out of state and even from out of the country FOR Wrestlemania.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's cleary within the bounds of #2.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Like... clearly.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say a good chunk of it is lack of familiarity with the wrestlers. I was personally hooked into my first ROH show because of the Dragon Gate wrestlers I knew who were going to be there. Besides them, I knew Daniels, Danielson (barely), and Samoa Joe to an extent. Going in, I had pretty much no clue who a lot of the people were, therefore, my excitement wasn't really there.

Granted that changes when you start watching the matches.

I think once people get a feel for the wrestlers, it's a little different. The problem is, a wrestling show is essentially a roller coaster, but a bizarro one because the big hill should be at the end. When you don't know the people, it's really hard to have that emotional investment in the show.

Besides that theory, it doesn't help that indy and TNA fans give indy fans a bad rap. And while the stereotype is valid to some extent (yes, there are fat, smelly indy fans who will probably never get laid), a lot of indy fans aren't that different then your typical 16- 30 wrestling fans, the only major difference is that they enjoy indy wrestling.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

All thanks to me!... that's pretty much the reason though. Every guy under 220 lbs. will try to fly around and pretend there is no such thing as gravity only to fuck up 90% of the time.

Incorrect.

It really depends what you're watching. Yes, a decent amount of indy guys will do dives and what not, but it's not a huge part of the match. Of course, there are the occasional flippy idiots (Jack Evans, etc), but they're getting fewer and farther between in the higher up indys (ROH, PWG, heck, even Evolve).

The other, bigger problem, are the insane reversal/ bump spots. I'm talking about where guys would each give huge moves to each other one after theo ther, and pretty much no sell everything for a minute, before a final big move where both collapse on the ground. ROH was a huge offender for this awhile back, but it's gotten better too.

What it ultimately comes down to is PSYCHOLOGY. A good chunk of indy wrestlers have it, a good chunk don't. A larger chunk are on par and passable.

[The Pope]

My favorite indy guy is Johhny Gargano!

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Perfect example of the stupid insane move spot I was talking about is this, about 40 seconds in. Honestly, this is an amazing match, and anyone who hasn't seen it should check it out in it's entirety. Nevertheless, I thought this exchange was brutal, and not in a good way.

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[What Would Kevin Do?]

Also, that's obviously not indy, but you get the point.

[Furious Beardsley]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say a good chunk of it is lack of familiarity with the wrestlers. I was personally hooked into my first ROH show because of the Dragon Gate wrestlers I knew who were going to be there. Besides them, I knew Daniels, Danielson (barely), and Samoa Joe to an extent. Going in, I had pretty much no clue who a lot of the people were, therefore, my excitement wasn't really there.

Granted that changes when you start watching the matches.

I think once people get a feel for the wrestlers, it's a little different. The problem is, a wrestling show is essentially a roller coaster, but a bizarro one because the big hill should be at the end. When you don't know the people, it's really hard to have that emotional investment in the show.

Besides that theory, it doesn't help that indy and TNA fans give indy fans a bad rap. And while the stereotype is valid to some extent (yes, there are fat, smelly indy fans who will probably never get laid), a lot of indy fans aren't that different then your typical 16- 30 wrestling fans, the only major difference is that they enjoy indy wrestling.

Wow, look an actual, thought out opinion, who thought that was possible from a member of TPWW, WWKD?, I applaud you.

I think you're pretty much right about the name recognition though. People don't know them, and it can take a show or two to really become invested. The biggest problem coming from a lot of indy fans is that they the absolute worst smarks out there. It's a lot better when you can talk to another indy fan and not hear "I would have done this and this" and instead hear "That was a great show tonight, the match between _____ & ______ was definitely the best".

You need to be able to suspend your disbelief if you really want to enjoy indy wrestling in my opinion. Unfortunately there are people that don't know how to do that.

[The Pope]

Or over the top sells, i hate those too.

[Furious Beardsley]

Perfect example of the stupid insane move spot I was talking about is this, about 40 seconds in. Honestly, this is an amazing match, and anyone who hasn't seen it should check it out in it's entirety. Nevertheless, I thought this exchange was brutal, and not in a good way.

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yea that was pretty brutal in a bad way

[Rammsteinmad]

I don't mind indy wrestling. It's pretty much like WWKD said, I feel it mostly comes down to not really knowing who any of the wrestlers are.

FYI I'm a proud Chikara fan.

[Furious Beardsley]

There's 2 reasons why people don't like indy wrestling:

1) They don't watch it, therefore they assume it sucks.
2) Indy wrestling fans.

That's called Michael Cole Syndrome

[The Fugitive]

All thanks to me!... that's pretty much the reason though. Every guy under 220 lbs. will try to fly around and pretend there is no such thing as gravity only to fuck up 90% of the time.

I find myself agreeing with this to a degree. Genetics play a big part of wrestling and fortunately/unfortunately, not everyone can be the 6'6, 290lb monster. So you have to find your place with how you're going to wrestle. And quite a few think 'that high-flying stuff looks easy enough'.

I also tend to disagree about that being a point because it all comes down to experience in the ring. Yes, 90% of the time, they'll botch what they were trying to do, but give them a few months, that number drops down to 80%. Another few months, 75% and so on. Nobody walks into the ring and becomes a Rey Mysterio overnight.

I think the significant reason for independent 'hatred' is quite simply, they're not as polished. Disregarding the current women's wrestling situation, the majority of wrestlers that are called and displayed on TV are polished, their ringwork is refined to where it's fluid and crisp. You watch that on TV, then you go to a independent show where everyone's still cutting their teeth and you're going to make unfair comparsions.

[The Fugitive]

WWKD?: Is that the match where Marufuji catches his throat on the guardrail when diving on KENTA?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I think the significant reason for independent 'hatred' is quite simply, they're not as polished. Disregarding the current women's wrestling situation, the majority of wrestlers that are called and displayed on TV are polished, their ringwork is refined to where it's fluid and crisp. You watch that on TV, then you go to a independent show where everyone's still cutting their teeth and you're going to make unfair comparsions.

I think this needs one caveat though. The wrestlers you see on tv are MUCH more restricted. Not only in what they can and can't do, but in timing. At an indy show, I doubt the promoter is going to give two shits if they finish 3 minutes late. On tv, they're going to get chewed out. So, in WWE for example, yes, they're more fluid, but they may not have as many options.

The only time I really notice this a lot is when people botch things. In WWE it seems like if someone botches something, they're not quite sure what to do, and heck, once in awhile they'll try to run the exact same spot. In the indy's a lot, it seems like they'll just go with the flow, work around it, and come back to it a different way if need be.

Take for example the one tag match that happened awhile back with Orton and Jericho on opposite sides, and Jericho had someone in the WoJ, and Orton ran, tried to his the RKO, but Jericho didn't budge and Orton went flying awkwardly... He just got up and did the exact same thing, which didn't make much sense at all. Especially when he ran right past them again to bounce off the ropes again, etc.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

WWKD?: Is that the match where Marufuji catches his throat on the guardrail when diving on KENTA?

Yep, that's the one.

[The Pope]

The only time I really notice this a lot is when people botch things. In WWE it seems like if someone botches something, they're not quite sure what to do, and heck, once in awhile they'll try to run the exact same spot. In the indy's a lot, it seems like they'll just go with the flow, work around it, and come back to it a different way if need be.

Take for example the one tag match that happened awhile back with Orton and Jericho on opposite sides, and Jericho had someone in the WoJ, and Orton ran, tried to his the RKO, but Jericho didn't budge and Orton went flying awkwardly... He just got up and did the exact same thing, which didn't make much sense at all. Especially when he ran right past them again to bounce off the ropes again, etc.

Because all of the WWE match is scripted. The indy matches are a bit "free-style" until the final 2-4 minutes. Then the finish is scripted. I guess WWE wrestlers are scared to get chewed up if they don't re-do their original spot.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

And that's shitty IMO. I think Cornette hit the nail right on the head when during one of the Ultimate X matches in TNA, the X fell, and everyone stood around looking like idiots because they didn't know what the hell to do. Improvise dumbasses! Dive for the X.

[Schlomey]

Id love to see more Indie matches from the United States cuz I am not familiar with anything not on TV sadly. Even ROH I am clueless. Any vids will get rep and my sincere thanks.

[The Fugitive]

God, I hate watching that moment. I've been close to wrestlers who have miscalculated their dive and caught a leg on the railing, making an ugly leg-meets-metal sound. To get that sound in my head when he catches himself by the throat... ugh, I feel sick just thinking about it. I'm amazed he could continue to wrestle.

Regarding your earlier post: No debating here, I'm not saying that WWE is flawless with their style of wrestling due to restrictions but they offer less chances of messing something up in the ring by limiting them.

Seems like something goes wrong in the ring as well, that everyone seems to get frustated much more quicker rather than on the independent circuit where they just improvise. You see WWE Superstar A about to do a DDT to WWE Superstar B to finish the match. Superstar B messed up the move and it looks more ugly. Superstar A cracks the shit, performs another move to finish the match and then as they're suppose to be celebrating, they're giving death glares to Superstar B.

Again, not saying that the independent circuit is free of 'You stupid motherfucker, you botched the ending of the match, I hate your fucking guts right now' looks after matches are over but it seems they're cooler heads. Perhaps it's the whole being televisied thing, that they must know that that bad performance is forever on record and they have to live with it.

[The Pope]

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[The Pope]

He almost died for real, as in real life.
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[The Pope]

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[The Fugitive]

Just a guess here... you wouldn't happen to be a fan of Johnny Gargano, would you?

[Xero]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say a good chunk of it is lack of familiarity with the wrestlers. I was personally hooked into my first ROH show because of the Dragon Gate wrestlers I knew who were going to be there. Besides them, I knew Daniels, Danielson (barely), and Samoa Joe to an extent. Going in, I had pretty much no clue who a lot of the people were, therefore, my excitement wasn't really there.

Granted that changes when you start watching the matches.

I think once people get a feel for the wrestlers, it's a little different. The problem is, a wrestling show is essentially a roller coaster, but a bizarro one because the big hill should be at the end. When you don't know the people, it's really hard to have that emotional investment in the show.

Besides that theory, it doesn't help that indy and TNA fans give indy fans a bad rap. And while the stereotype is valid to some extent (yes, there are fat, smelly indy fans who will probably never get laid), a lot of indy fans aren't that different then your typical 16- 30 wrestling fans, the only major difference is that they enjoy indy wrestling.

Yeah, you're 100% right on the unfamiliarity towards the wrestlers. Going into the EVOLVE show I went to I had no clue who 90% of the talents were (and not being an indy follower in general made it that much harder) but I let the wrestling speak for itself. I walked out with a huge interest in the indies and a fan of at least one wrestler who I had never heard of before that night.

Sure, there were some matches I was like "meh, whatever", but you're going to get that on any show. And the sentiment on the crazy spots is definitely a factor for me. I'm not a huge fan of high spot matches with little rhyme or reason and no selling, and there's A LOT of that on the indies, as has been said. I'm okay with one or two matches like that and can enjoy them, but not entire cards.

You have to give it a chance. Some people are going to like certain styles and some aren't. In the main stream, there's one style and only one style. Some people are going to like it, some won't. On the indies, every style is there in certain promotions. Want entertainment? Watch Chikara. Want a balanced wrestling card? Watch EVOLVE. Want high flying? Dragon Gate. Want a mixture? Watch ROH.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

http://www.youtube.com/user/ROHBrazil

There's a bunch of ROH on HDNet shows. ROH pretty much lets that account upload all there HDNet shows.

[The Pope]

Just a guess here... you wouldn't happen to be a fan of Johnny Gargano, would you?

I guess you saw this above:
My favorite indy guy is Johhny Gargano!

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I find it interesting that you were really impressed with Jimmy Jacobs at the Evolve show, as after my first ROH show he was the guy I walked away loving as well.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Also, for the uninformed, here is Jimmy Jacob's new, 3 part "Jimmy Jacobs Revealed" vignettes for DGUSA, and his upcoming match with John Moxely. Not sure how much of this is embellished, but I really do find it hard not to love this kid.

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[Xero]

I find it interesting that you were really impressed with Jimmy Jacobs at the Evolve show, as after my first ROH show he was the guy I walked away loving as well.

Yeah. It wasn't so much the in-ring work itself (which was great) but his attention to detail on the little things and his psychology in general. As I said, a lot like Punk in that respect.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I feel ya. When I saw him it was the night of the freakish powerbomb botch with BJ Whitmer.

Basically, they were both on the top rope, Jimmy with his back to the ring, BJ facing the ring, and BJ went to powerbomb Jimmy off the top. He lifted him up, and BJ slipped, basically falling backwards out of the ring with Jimmy, who essentially hit the ropes/apron with his head, then the floor.

The entire place was dead quite because everyone thought Jimmy was essentially dead. When BJ rolled him into the ring and pinned him, and Jimmy kicked out, the place went crazy. One of the freakiest and coolest moments I've ever seen at a wrestling show ever.

[Xero]

lol holy shit.

[The Fugitive]

I guess you saw this above:

I may have missed that post. :$

[Swiss Ultimate]

Wow, look an actual, thought out opinion, who thought that was possible from a member of TPWW, WWKD?, I applaud you.

I think you're pretty much right about the name recognition though. People don't know them, and it can take a show or two to really become invested. The biggest problem coming from a lot of indy fans is that they the absolute worst smarks out there. It's a lot better when you can talk to another indy fan and not hear "I would have done this and this" and instead hear "That was a great show tonight, the match between _____ & ______ was definitely the best".

You need to be able to suspend your disbelief if you really want to enjoy indy wrestling in my opinion. Unfortunately there are people that don't know how to do that.

As a supporter of you and your deeds, I want to suggest that you not be so hostile. Sure, some people will always give joke responses but, hey, that just adds fun in the mix.

[The Pope]

I may have missed that post. :$

It's ok:)

[CSL]

I feel ya. When I saw him it was the night of the freakish powerbomb botch with BJ Whitmer.

Basically, they were both on the top rope, Jimmy with his back to the ring, BJ facing the ring, and BJ went to powerbomb Jimmy off the top. He lifted him up, and BJ slipped, basically falling backwards out of the ring with Jimmy, who essentially hit the ropes/apron with his head, then the floor.

The entire place was dead quite because everyone thought Jimmy was essentially dead. When BJ rolled him into the ring and pinned him, and Jimmy kicked out, the place went crazy. One of the freakiest and coolest moments I've ever seen at a wrestling show ever.

Attempting stupid shit like this in front of much smaller crowds than ROH (even doing it for ROH is pretty stupid) for as little as just exs or if that half the time is probably my main problem with 'indys'. Along with MOVEZ, 'skinny guys', a lot of the fans (that's mainly aimed at places like ROH, DG:USA etc, which I'd barely class as indy) complete lack of/no desire to attempt to implement/bother learning any variety of 'psychology' (dislike that word), guys that don't wear a proper pair of boots, kickpads for the most part (kind of ties into the boots complaints), pleathers, a lack of decent gear in general, cowboy promoters, bodybuilder egos, guys being dropped on their heads, the attitude that dictates 'different = good no matter how little sense it makes', guys that don't 'get it', just the utter amount of shit knocking around in general.

All that said, there is still excellent indy wrestling to be found. It's just usually surrounded by the variants of the above list.

[Furious Beardsley]

As a supporter of you and your deeds, I want to suggest that you not be so hostile. Sure, some people will always give joke responses but, hey, that just adds fun in the mix.

I see where you are coming from DTTS, but that first response made me think that it was just going to degenerate into the typical off topic that happens so often around here (just going from my short experience). I'm glad that it has spawned into what it has thus far though. There is actual discussion going on, which is good.

As far as Jimmy Jacobs, he's a hard guy not to like, he was at one of the first indy shows I went to. He's a hard worker for sure. On top of that, he actually holds a win over Eddie Guererro in a WWE ring, it was by DQ, but hey, a win is a win.

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[Gertner]

Lol where to begin.
1) The fans are so fucking aggrivating. They spend the entire show trying to get themselves over. Every match according to them is the match of the year.
2) I know you hate this but the vast majority is no selling, spot monkies who take themselves way too seriously. Every promo is about respect and honour and intense.
I once saw Davey Richards pull out a sword, cut off Rodrick Strong's head(who the the classic"vanilla indy guy) and Strong kicked out at two. I know wrestling is fake, but christ, seeing every match where each wrestler kicks out of their opponents finisher 10 times is retarded.
3) The fans. They are that fucking aggrivating and whine like emo bitches the minute somebody attacks their backyard promotion.
4) The fans. Douchebag losers who thinks it's hilarious throwing ties at Danielson. They really think they are so witty and clever, spending weeks looking up obscure references to yell. Fucking losers!

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Oh, I seriously hate head drops.

And more than anything, I hate Generico's brain buster.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I will agree with Gertner that Roderick Strong is insanely vanilla, should be nowhere near a mic, and outside of his ring work which is above average at best, he doesn't have many redeeming qualities.

[Furious Beardsley]

Lol where to begin.
1) The fans are so fucking aggrivating. They spend the entire show trying to get themselves over. Every match according to them is the match of the year.
2) I know you hate this but the vast majority is no selling, spot monkies who take themselves way too seriously. Every promo is about respect and honour and intense.
I once saw Davey Richards pull out a sword, cut off Rodrick Strong's head(who the the classic"vanilla indy guy) and Strong kicked out at two. I know wrestling is fake, but christ, seeing every match where each wrestler kicks out of their opponents finisher 10 times is retarded.
3) The fans. They are that fucking aggrivating and whine like emo bitches the minute somebody attacks their backyard promotion.
4) The fans. Douchebag losers who thinks it's hilarious throwing ties at Danielson. They really think they are so witty and clever, spending weeks looking up obscure references to yell. Fucking losers!

And I was called hostile...jeeze man, you need a happy pill, let me send you some of mine

[CSL]

He's not exactly wrong.

[Gertner]

Oh yeah, number 5 : workrate.

And to clear something up, I've watched ROH/DGUSA numerous times. It's not the wrestling that turns me off. I'd actually like to go to an ROH event. It's the fucking fans that turns me off. I went to a TNA event last week and I spent half the time wanting to punch these three smarks who would not stop yelling out retarded shit in an attempt to get themselves over.

[CSL]

Would like to add hand clapping, foot stamping and 'COME ONNNN!' to my list.

[Gertner]

And it's like the fans get offended when you don't do what they want.
I'm pretty sure there was a backlash because Tyler Black wasn't made champ when "the fans" wanted it. It's so friggen stupid. I like watching WWE and to an extent TNA because I find marks less annoying. You can watch it with anybody and everybody just chills. With indy wrestling it's like it effects their day if something doesn't go the way the fans want it to go.

[Xero]

And it's like the fans get offended when you don't do what they want.
I'm pretty sure there was a backlash because Tyler Black wasn't made champ when "the fans" wanted it. It's so friggen stupid. I like watching WWE and to an extent TNA because I find marks less annoying. You can watch it with anybody and everybody just chills. With indy wrestling it's like it effects their day if something doesn't go the way the fans want it to go.

Sounds like hardcore sports fans. The kind that will sit there and talk about stats the entire game.

People like this are everywhere.

[CSL]

Oh, I seriously hate head drops.

And more than anything, I hate Generico's brain buster.

The turnbuckle one? If so, yeah, absolute fucking joke.

[Gertner]

Sounds like hardcore sports fans. The kind that will sit there and talk about stats the entire game.

People like this are everywhere.
I get your point, but
The difference in my opinion is sports are real. You are essentially getting pissed at a male version of a soap opera

[Xero]

I get your point, but
The difference in my opinion is sports are real. You are essentially getting pissed at a male version of a soap opera

See, this is what I don't get. What does the fact that it's "real" have anything to do with anything? Will your favorite baseball team losing affect your life in any way?

Just because it isn't real doesn't mean it doesn't draw real emotion. I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're not in terms of a lot of the fans. But to dismiss it just because it's "fake" isn't really fair when, at the end of the day, a sports team losing or winning isn't anymore important than a wrestling title changing hands.

And if it is, please explain, because I fail to see the difference. At the end of the day, it's all entertainment.

[Volare]

Oh yeah, number 5 : workrate.

And to clear something up, I've watched ROH/DGUSA numerous times. It's not the wrestling that turns me off. I'd actually like to go to an ROH event. It's the fucking fans that turns me off. I went to a TNA event last week and I spent half the time wanting to punch these three smarks who would not stop yelling out retarded shit in an attempt to get themselves over.

Exactly, I've seen an indy promotion here in Fayetteville NC, and they got some of the most retarded fans. All they would do is yell "that's not how you do the (such and such move) or "you're not selling it right" or "you're doing it all wrong!" just to get attention for themselves. Then they parade around like they're the greatest thing in the world. It kills the mood for me, and I feel like it's a waste of time.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

The turnbuckle one? If so, yeah, absolute fucking joke.

Yep, that's the one. Unnecessary and dangerous. I don't try to act like I know it all, but I'll openly speak out on that move. someone is going to get hurt taking that.

[Gertner]

See, this is what I don't get. What does the fact that it's "real" have anything to do with anything? Will your favorite baseball team losing affect your life in any way?

Just because it isn't real doesn't mean it doesn't draw real emotion. I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're not in terms of a lot of the fans. But to dismiss it just because it's "fake" isn't really fair when, at the end of the day, a sports team losing or winning isn't anymore important than a wrestling title changing hands.

And if it is, please explain, because I fail to see the difference. At the end of the day, it's all entertainment.

Honestly, I'm a hardcore sports fan, especially hockey. If your team losing affects your day than you are a loser as well. I get mad during Leafs games all the time, but when the game is done, I go on with my day. It's when people take it WAAAY too seriously as I've noticed a lot of wrestling fans do. Do I talk hockey a lot? Sure. But I don't go around thinking I'm smarter than the GM, and I honestly think the majority of indy fans think they could book a show better than the bookers and it's fucking annoying.

[CSL]

Yep, that's the one. Unnecessary and dangerous. I don't try to act like I know it all, but I'll openly speak out on that move. someone is going to get hurt taking that.

tbf, if they're a big enough fuckwit to go up for him and let him do it, they borderline deserve it :-\

[Xero]

Honestly, I'm a hardcore sports fan, especially hockey. If your team losing affects your day than you are a loser as well. I get mad during Leafs games all the time, but when the game is done, I go on with my day. It's when people take it WAAAY too seriously as I've noticed a lot of wrestling fans do. Do I talk hockey a lot? Sure. But I don't go around thinking I'm smarter than the GM, and I honestly think the majority of indy fans think they could book a show better than the bookers and it's fucking annoying.

So do you believe that someone taking wrestling as seriously as you take hockey (which may or may not be "too serious") is more ridiculous than your fandom of hockey?

[Gertner]

Volare hit it right on the head on why I won't go. I used to attend Border City Wrestling events all the time and the show which is run by Scott D'Amore are awesome, but it got to the point where I didn't want to spend money just to be annoyed the entire show by these fucking douchebag fans.

[Gertner]

So do you believe that someone taking wrestling as seriously as you take hockey (which may or may not be "too serious") is more ridiculous than your fandom of hockey?

Yes, because hockey is real. Getting pissed at a wrestling event and having it ruin your day is no different than going to the circus and being pissed for hours because Dumbo didn't stand on that stupid ball.

[MoFo]

I like ROH's tag team matches and Eddie Edwards, and I like PWG for lulz.

I like the big flashy arenas and sets tho which is why I watch WWE more.

[Destro 2.0]

I just like wrestling all parts of it thats all. I could care less about work rate and I do enjoy some of the Chants the ROH fans do like "YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD KICKED IN!!!" Thats a good one but the crowds acting like critics when you say WWE or TNA and they start booing and shit. Yeah that does get a bit annoying.. I don't also like that hardcore Indy fans say that you are not a real wrestling fan if you like so and so.... I believe that we are all wrestling fans no matter what we watch.

Noone goes around saying that in sports that you are not a real fan if you enjoy a certain team.


The main thing I like about the indy wrestling is the wrestling.

[CSL]

So do you believe that someone taking wrestling as seriously as you take hockey (which may or may not be "too serious") is more ridiculous than your fandom of hockey?

Yes. Getting legit angry at a work is more retarded than getting legit angry when your sports team plays shit.

[Xero]

Yes. Getting legit angry at a work is more retarded than getting legit angry when your sports team plays shit.

Gertner plays Hockey for a living?

[CSL]

What?

[Gertner]

I guess Xero we'll have to agree to disagree, but your point is well taken.

[Xero]

Fair enough.

[Blitz]

Volare hit it right on the head on why I won't go. I used to attend Border City Wrestling events all the time and the show which is run by Scott D'Amore are awesome, but it got to the point where I didn't want to spend money just to be annoyed the entire show by these fucking douchebag fans.
You should start coming to shows again then, because BCW (now Max Pro) ain't much of a smark promotion anymore.

[Gertner]

If that's the case than I may do that.

[Blitz]

We were never really much of a smark promotion, tbh. I mean yeah, smarks come to indy shows by default, but I don't think BCW catered to them. We never booked "smark guys". Our headliners were almost always nostalgia acts.