Official RAW Thread for 09/27/10 - CENNNNNA

[Xero]

Sup?

Chat: http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102392

[RatedGSuperstar]

Taped show going against a much better Monday Night Football game than last week? Good luck in the ratings tonight, Vince.

Still should be an interesting show...I never really trust spoilers to convey how good a show is, so hopefully there's some good build for HIAC that wasn't mentioned in all the writeups.

[Corndad]

Stayed away from the Spoilers all week, so hopefully be a good show.

Curious to see how they fill out the PPV card with only this show to put more matches together for Sunday.

[Innovator]

It's been weird that the last couple taped shows were better shows than the live ones.

[VSG]

You 3 have a similar colour tone of avatars. It's irritating!

[Domino]

Missed MNJ the last two weeks...I'll go ahead and assume I didn't miss much.

[ClockShot]

And yet another taped show. This has become a common occurance every few weeks.

Guess I'll watch until I get bored.

[Savio]

lol Taped? I forgot the spoiolers however, prob flip back and forth between MNF

[teamXtremist]

wtf is going on here

[teamXtremist]

did bryan come out to the superman theme?!?!

[Juan]

No, he came out to the same theme as last week.

[Poit]

What the hell kind of match is that?

[Juan]

What the hell kind of match is that?

A good one, I hope.

[LoDownM]

WWE hired TNA writers.

[Emperor Smeat]

How is that any different than a Falls Count Anywhere match besides the name itself.

[VSG]

You can't claim a dumb improvisation as your "invention". Look at Eric Bischoff and the Elimination Chamber- THAT's an invention.

[Cool King]

Only one stream of Raw is up tonight, and it's a pretty poor quality one at that. :|

[VSG]

winner of divas battle royal

Natalya

Right, I haven't neg-repped anyone in a long time but you deserve it. Use spoiler tags like what I did up there.

[Domino]

Right, I haven't neg-repped anyone in a long time but you deserve it. Use spoiler tags like what I did up there.

Or just get the fuck out.

[Juan]

Or just get the fuck out.

Or just don't post spoilers.

[The Gold Standard]

I hate Divas matches. They are so terrible. However, I think Lay-Cool is great.

[Beth Phoenix Fan]

Fucking morons (michelle mccool and layla) should be murdered.

natalya is going destroy those slutty bitches.

[Domino]

Or just don't post spoilers.

That's what I meant.

[Juan]

Arlen, Texas

[Juan]

Fucking morons (michelle mccool and layla) should be murdered.

natalya is going destroy those slutty bitches.

Wrestling is fake.

[VSG]

Sheamus has a fiery red hand. And head.

[Domino]

I lol every time they say "former world champion" for Khali.

[BizarroKing]

THEY JUST MENTIONED MICK FOLEY!

[Innovator]

Did they just plug Foley's new book?

[Juan]

Did they just plug Foley's new book?

Yeah, that was weird.

[VSG]

That was interesting, especially with news of his movie plans.

[Cool King]

I missed the Foley mention as my shitty stream died for a second.

[Domino]

What. The. Fuck.

[Poit]

Skynet speaks!

[BizarroKing]

IT'S GLaDOS

[Beth Phoenix Fan]

some people are really starting to piss me off.

[DaveBrawl]

T Pain is the GM

[Innovator]

We need to get Jay Z here with the death of autotune

[erickman]

That was interesting, especially with news of his movie plans.

good maby vince can help with micks movie

[Domino]

good maby vince can help with micks movie

Yeah....."maby" so.

[KIRA]

SOOOOOO theyre using Mr.Spell:the Mini Me addition as the voice distorter for the GM?


Wheres Ole Anderson and the Black Scorpion voice changer when you need them?

[DInsaneOne]

wow that laptop totally sold that beating!!!

personally i wud have elbow dropped the part with the keyboard cuz thats where the motherboard is......i mean really who beats an lcd display with a chair!! o wait...

[teamXtremist]

that chris jericho dvd is gold gold i tell ya

[BizarroKing]

EDGE IS NOW MY NEW GOD FOR THAT!

[Juan]

lol did it say "No! Stop him, Cole!" ?

[dronepool]

Can someone make a .gif of Edge destroying the laptop?

[Johnny Vegas]

Dude, Edge's reaction was awesome as fuck! Sorry lol

[VSG]

lol did it say "No! Stop him, Cole!" ?

I didn't catch that, too busy laughing. Youtube later tonight should reveal it.

[DInsaneOne]

did he just headbutt the lcd screen as well!! edge when ric flair on that laptop

[DInsaneOne]

lol did it say "No! Stop him, Cole!" ?

yes it did!! LOL

[VSG]

This is a poor Official Raw Thread so far.

[Juan]

To be honest, with the TPWW chat, the thread really isn't necessary.

Unless you're trying to boost your post count :shifty:

[VSG]

When you got the 100k thread to do that, why need this thread for that purpose?

BTW didn't this match happen on smackdown last week? Why are the Hart Dynasty getting another shot?

[Juan]

That's was my point.

[teamXtremist]

well the harts run is officially over


just fuck him up David

[Furious Beardsley]

Did I just hear Cole say that "Real men shave their legs"?

[VSG]

Atleast we know who the Shad Gaspard and JTG of this team are.

[Cool King]

So with only half an hour of Raw left, every single stream goes down. :|

Look's like it'll be YouTube for me tomorrow.

I'm going to bed.

[Snowden]

Homage to the list of 1004 holds :love:

Rest well my prince...

[Emperor Smeat]

:rofl: 1004 wrestlers beaten list.

[teamXtremist]

lol at jericho going over every one hes defeated

[Snowden]

"Villano 1, 2, 3, 4, 5..."

I love that man so much.

[Tom Guycott]

I had only one thought on that promo, especially with the commercial break... ARMBAR!

[VSG]

Benoit was a notable omission, considering Orton won his first world title off him. I wonder how WWE will approach that when they eventually make Orton's DVD.

[VSG]

More Foley references. Something's definitely up.

[Tom Guycott]

To be honest, with the TPWW chat, the thread really isn't necessary.

Unless you're trying to boost your post count :shifty:

Some of us don't use the chat. As I post, this is actually on my 'droid.

Besides, some of us could use the post count boost.

[SOCCER LEGS]

remember that hilarious pin jericho used to do when he would stand one foot on top of the guy then flex his arms? that was hilarious

[teamXtremist]

not a very good raw tonight imho

[Tom Guycott]

Benoit was a notable omission, considering Orton won his first world title off him. I wonder how WWE will approach that when they eventually make Orton's DVD.

Was it omitted, or said during commercials? I also love how he padded the list, counting Kevin Nash, Deisel, and Oz as separate wins. Also Scott Hall & Razor Ramon.

[SOCCER LEGS]

fuck randy orton that fucking scaredy ass AWOL pussy

[Destro 2.0]

Keep deleting my comments you fucking spic.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Destro, shut the fuck up.

[Destro 2.0]

Destro, shut the fuck up.

Fucking make me mother fucker you want some too? I am more than willing to keep this shit going.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Consider it done.

[crusnik]

hope orton loses ,sick of him rkoing everything..he fucking punts jericho!!! he gets hit with a codebreaker then is able for an rko? Jericho shoulda pancaked his face in...

[crusnik]

sorry ,i'm mad Jericho got rkoed..

[SOCCER LEGS]

edge was the only good thing about RAW tonight

[Razzamajazz]

don't forget the yet another 5 star match from khali

[AJHayes]

Juan, I think it's pretty awesome that we loathe the same people.

[Juan]

Juan, I think it's pretty awesome that we loathe the same people.

tbh, i think it's the same guy as before. He was using the same "snitch" and "spic" remarks.

[AJHayes]

tbh, i think it's the same guy as before. He was using the same "snitch" and "spic" remarks.

Pretty much what I was thinking. Same style of writing, same mild retardation.

[CWK]

Anyone watching RAW tonight by chance catch John Cena gagging several times as the bell rang on his match ending with Edge?

Funny shit. I thought of Jim Carrey in Liar Liar when I saw that. Thats just what he looked like.

If there was ever a time to make a .gif file of anything, it would be John Cena gagging lol.

I thought he was gonna yack all over the ring.

[Lock Jaw]

Not sure why they felt the need to insert John Morrison into the US title match. Yeah, it continues his push, but he had absolutely nothing to do with this feud until the Monday before the PPV.

[Londoner]

Not sure why they felt the need to insert John Morrison into the US title match. Yeah, it continues his push, but he had absolutely nothing to do with this feud until the Monday before the PPV.

Well its your fault isn't it, you're the GM after all? :rant:

[VSG]

Lock Jaw has a very weird voice then.

[Fox]

3 pages.

Nobody can say that taped versus live ISN'T a factor in viewership.

[Xero]

3 pages.

Nobody can say that taped versus live ISN'T a factor in viewership.

It is for the IWC.

Not for casual fans, which are the vast bulk of the viewership.

We'll let the rating speak, and I fully expect it to be lower than usual, but not "omfg" bad.

[Xero]

Also, French fail from PWInsider:

Funny note from yesterday's RAW... Backstage, when Maryse read the memo to DiBiase, she first said in French "La semaine dernière, t'étais à moi", which means in English "Last week, you were mine" then when Ted asks her to translate it she says "Next week, you'll be mine"...

[Volare]

I really can't think of who the stalker would be.

[Xero]

Maybe Cody wants his partner back, if you catch my drift.

[The Pope]

was there anything good on RAW?

[Xero]

Danielson/Jomo vs Miz/Riley, Jericho's promo, Khali's beat down was pretty great. Nothing else was too great, average at best. Watch the Edge/GM segments just because of how ridiculously bad they are.

[The Pope]

LOL, I will check those out.

[VSG]

lol did it say "No! Stop him, Cole!" ?

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You were right.

[The Pope]

Edge hates Dell too?

[The Pope]

And :rofl: at them playing his song once he's done with his rampage on the computers.

[Xero]

I like how they did an overlay for the desktop instead of just showing it as-is.

[Next Big Thing]

The GM sounded a lot like Cole's with a high autotune setting. I think it's Cole now.

[RatedGSuperstar]

You just knew the computer was going to get it when they swapped out the Mac they've been using for weeks for a Dell from like 2002 this week. Still a pretty funny segment, but I still enjoy Edge. He'll play along with the goofy crap while working how ridiculous it is that they're doing it in the first place.

"We've gone from Stone Cold stunning Mr. McMahon to Edge arguing with a computer."

After hearing the computer say "Yo," though, I'm convinced the Raw GM is Slam Master J. Sorry, Lock Jaw.

[VSG]

JTG?

[parkmania]

After hearing the computer say "Yo," though, I'm convinced the Raw GM is Slam Master J. Sorry, Lock Jaw.

Swerve! It's Kurt Angle!

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[Xero]

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[VSG]

Jericho talking and smiling there :lol:

[DaVe]

lol this was a fairly entertaining raw, not great, but not the worst.

jericho and edge/gm were hilarious

[Juan]

Last night's episode of WWE Raw scored a 2.37 overall rating. This is a year-low for the show, down a lot from last week's 2.80. The show was very negatively impacted by the Packers/Bears Monday Night Football game on ESPN, which was one of the most-watched cable TV broadcasts ever. The show averaged 3.8 million viewers over the course of the show.

[Volare]

I was not apart of the 3.8 million that watched the game, I am a Vikings fan so fuck the Packers and the Bears.

[VSG]

Holy shit!

[VSG]

I was not apart of the 3.8 million that watched the game, I am a Vikings fan so fuck the Packers and the Bears.

Raw had 3.8 million viewers.

[Volare]

Dammit. Fuck the Packers and the Bears.

[Xero]

Last night's episode of WWE Raw scored a 2.37 overall rating. This is a year-low for the show, down a lot from last week's 2.80. The show was very negatively impacted by the Packers/Bears Monday Night Football game on ESPN, which was one of the most-watched cable TV broadcasts ever. The show averaged 3.8 million viewers over the course of the show.

Okay that's a lot worse than I was expecting. WWE is officially in deep shit.

[CWK]

Hmmmm I distinctly remember making a thread at the beginning of the year called "WWE will crumble" and everyone thought I was full of shit. LOL.

A 2.37 rating, tons of empty seats at Wrestlemania this year. I would say that they are in some real trouble. Possibly the start of a crumble. We'll see.

[Juan]

Raw could do 0 viewers and WWE still wouldn't be close to crumbling.

[CWK]

Raw could do 0 viewers and WWE still wouldn't be close to crumbling.

But they are a public company and if the stock price goes down the toilet, it could kill them. They only profited just 6 million last quarter which is not alot of money at all considering they spend 1 to 3 million a week on production alone for RAW and Smackdown.

[CWK]

The last thing they want is their shareholders unloading the stock because of sub-par revenue/profit numbers and their advertisers bailing due to low ratings.

[Juan]

I'm not saying there's no reason to be concerned, I just think "crumbling" is a bit dramatic, if not premature.

[Xero]

WWE won't crumble unless they keep slipping and start doing 1's for a year or two. Once USA lights a fire under their asses Vince will jump.

WWE isn't in any real danger whatsoever right now, but they do have to look at the numbers and realize that something isn't right.

[CWK]

Yeah I guess you're right. These rookies really have to come through for the company though. Hopefully alot of them evolve and turn into big stars. My money is on Wade Barrett doing that.

They also have to drop the PG rating thing. Its obviously not working.

[CWK]

Linda and Shane leaving their posts really hurt them I think.

[Xero]

It's not the PG rating, it's the fact that they hire writers with no knowledge of the business to write for an entertainment show, not a wrestling show. If wrestling wasn't a four letter word to Vince they could EASILY thrive as TV-PG.

You can pull off PG without alienating the older fans, which is clearly what they need to do.

[CWK]

Its hard to be a PG show when you have characters on your show that shouldn't be PG like Orton, Edge, etc. I'm sure alot of people get irritated by that. I know I do.

Its also hard to get people to buy into your show needing to be PG when its people portraying physical harm to each other. The Shrek movies are rated PG for goodness sakes.

Also, its hard to compete with other shows on TV when you are trying to build a PG show when programs like Jersey Shore dominate in viewership.

I dunno, they just don't need to be PG IMO. TV-14 is the way to go.

[Xero]

Thing is, Orton, Edge, etc ARE playing PG characters. You can have plenty of characters with their attitude and still be a PG show.

The problem is that they are focusing on the younger audience and for a while wasn't giving much to the older audience. They're starting to do that now a little more versus a year or two ago, but they could ditch a good portion of the kid-friendly stuff and still be successful on a PG rating.

Would TV-14 help? No. It wouldn't, honestly. It's about the writing. Turning the product TV-14 right this minute isn't going to fix anything, because you'll still have the same writers who don't pay attention to history, are highly inconsistent and highly ADD. Turning to a TV-14 rating would mean a complete overhaul of creative.

And at that point, they may as well keep it PG with better writers and reap the benefits of PG which, from a business standpoint, are huge.

[Schlomey]

you're so smart

[Juan]

According to Dave Meltzer, RAW did a 2.7 rating last night.

[Volare]

Shit. I blame it on the fucking Packers and Bears. Not because they were playing, just because they exist. Fuck them again.

[VSG]

According to Dave Meltzer, RAW did a 2.7 rating last night.

Where was your earlier info from?

[Juan]

James Caldwell @ PW Torch

[BigCrippyZ]

The 2.37 for Monday show is the lowest rating for a regular episode of RAW since October 27, 1997 – almost 13 years ago – before the Montreal Screwjob kicked off the Attitude Era.

That's not a good sign at all.

[The Pope]

According to Dave Meltzer, RAW did a 2.7 rating last night.

So the 2.37 was probably a 2.73 then...

[Fox]

Thing is, Orton, Edge, etc ARE playing PG characters. You can have plenty of characters with their attitude and still be a PG show.

The problem is that they are focusing on the younger audience and for a while wasn't giving much to the older audience. They're starting to do that now a little more versus a year or two ago, but they could ditch a good portion of the kid-friendly stuff and still be successful on a PG rating.

Would TV-14 help? No. It wouldn't, honestly. It's about the writing. Turning the product TV-14 right this minute isn't going to fix anything, because you'll still have the same writers who don't pay attention to history, are highly inconsistent and highly ADD. Turning to a TV-14 rating would mean a complete overhaul of creative.

And at that point, they may as well keep it PG with better writers and reap the benefits of PG which, from a business standpoint, are huge.

I disagree. They need to be TV-14 to get to the level of violence and intensity and even vulgarity that they need to attract a certain audience. There is a huge demographic between the ages of 15-21 who stay completely away from the WWE because it's kiddy garbage these days. These are the same people who are watching Jersey Shore for its over the top characters, language, profanity, and sex. The same people who watch Eastbound and Down for the same reasons. WWE is missing out on this demographic for the sake of pandering to the parents of pre-teens.

Take a look at the Nexus angle. The entire thing was hotter than hell - right up until the point where Daniel Bryan choked out Justin Roberts with his tie. In the past, this kind of thing would not have been a problem. Austin and Rock have probably choked each other a hundred times with camera cables, ring ropes, etc. But in the new PG Era of the WWE, Daniel Bryan choking a dude with a tie is a PROBLEM. So they get rid of him for awhile to assuage the problem, and they tone back the violence of the Nexus storyline. Now, the group seems to have lost all of its edge.

TV PG is part of the problem, but I agree that it's not the whole problem. The problem goes back to the writing, the portrayal and lack of development of the WWE's top stars, and honestly, a lack of true, honest to God competitive spirit on the show.

[Xero]

The Nexus angle was amazing with or without the tie choking. And it wasn't a matter of TV-PG, it was a matter of Benoit being a douche and hanging himself.

I'm not saying TV-14 wouldn't help with the right writing team and I'm not saying I don't want to see it, I just don't see it as being as big of a problem as everyone makes it out to be. Yes, there's a huge demographic they're missing out on (more realistically the 18-34) but we don't have to go back to the Attitude Era to make wrestling awesome again and bring in that demographic. The 18-34 demographic could easily be brought in with the right writing, and they would still have the benefits of TV-PG and the younger audience.

Blood, "extreme" violence, sexual innuendo and swearing are all great and fun, but when it comes down to it, they're not what makes wrestling wrestling (except for the blood to an extent, but I've gone over this and actually think they could get away with it if they made it a rarity). And WWE is a much more mainstream company now. The PG rating brings in a lot more business opportunities. People have to realize that even if you want it back, TV-14 is likely not returning to WWE programming in the foreseeable future, so it's more realistic to work around the rating than to blame it and say "WWE WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF THEY WENT TV-14!!!!11" Because it wouldn't be.

[Londoner]

OK wtf @ that computer voice? fucking hell.