View Full Version : What is it about matches with Randy Orton?
rated rjo
10-12-2010, 02:33 AM
It seems like there is always a botch lately with his TV matches, but it's never supposed to be Orton's fault.
Riiiiiggggght........... :roll:
Is Orton a jinx?
Do the guys he's wrestling have performance anxiety or something?
Do the fellas have a pool in the locker room to see who can piss Orton off faster?
This keeps happening waaaaaay too often to be a coincidence. :shifty:
I'll take exaggerations for 400, Alex.
What Would Kevin Do?
10-12-2010, 02:41 AM
Well, the 450 botch in the Orton/Gabriel match looked like Orton's fault. Pretty sure he should have rolled the other way, and Gabriel overshot it on purpose to make sure he cleared Orton.
Aguakate
10-12-2010, 02:59 AM
Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on u.
This isn't the first time Orton has problems with somebody in the ring. So, it can't all be everybody's fault. If it happens once, it's like "Ok", but this is like the 4th time he has an issue. HE'S the problem.
Troelar
10-12-2010, 06:02 AM
Randy told me that:
You guys better shut up about my matches containing botches - or I'll have Vince fire you*
Yeah I don't know how Vince is going to fire us, but I'd totally watch my back from now on.
* May not be an actual Randy Orton quote
Wouldn't surprise me if it was a case of performance anxiety. After ask, your career could be on the line if you fuck up in a match with Orton, bound to make you a bit jittery.
Joesgonnakillyou
10-12-2010, 09:18 AM
It was definately Mr. Kennedys fault, because I fucking hate him.
This time it was Ortons because I like Gabriel
Triple Naitch
10-12-2010, 09:39 AM
Randy told me that:
Yeah I don't know how Vince is going to fire us, but I'd totally watch my back from now on.
* May not be an actual Randy Orton quote
Ugh
Kofi was a sloppy bastard, Orton was at fault for the Kennedy backdrop and for Gabriel's 450.
Mixed bag really, usually just people being lazy in ring.
DAMN iNATOR
10-12-2010, 12:45 PM
I blame Randy's IED.
The Pope
10-12-2010, 01:41 PM
I'll take exaggerations for 400, Alex.
:lol:
Lui Kang
10-12-2010, 01:43 PM
Do the guys he's wrestling have performance anxiety or something?
I haven't watched Wrestling much for the better part of this past year, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. Orton has a lot of pull backstage now and has no problem voicing his displeasure if someone screws up in the ring.
The Pope
10-12-2010, 01:45 PM
I think wrestlers are just nervous when in the ring with him. You never know when he will punt kick you :shifty:
BizarroKing
10-12-2010, 02:48 PM
Randy is a psycho who rapes his competition.
Next Big Thing
10-12-2010, 04:39 PM
Kofi was a sloppy bastard, Orton was at fault for the Kennedy backdrop and for Gabriel's 450.
Mixed bag really, usually just people being lazy in ring.
Disagree one hundred percent. Go look at that match again. Kofi was selling weak ass chop blocks and shit from Legacy the whole match. If Randy acted like a professional instead of thrown a bitch fit, the RKO wouldn't have looked any different and no one would have known the finish was botched. Kofi should have whooped his ass when they got back to the back...
Kennedy is very sloppy. Gabriel was all Orton's fault.
Otherwise, Orton is clearly just brittle boned.
Next Big Thing
10-12-2010, 04:41 PM
I think wrestlers are just nervous when in the ring with him. You never know when he will punt kick you :shifty:
Or have your push derailed and your ass jobbing on Smackdown... Or working main events for TNA.
Either way the wrath of Orton cuts deep.
JimmyMess
10-12-2010, 06:20 PM
I think its him and his caarazzyyy double-jointed shoulders, getting all fucked up!
jskinnyg
10-12-2010, 06:50 PM
I blame Randy's IED.
I'm with the Damninator...
MoonlightDrifter
10-12-2010, 09:24 PM
Orton is one of the best in-ring psycologists I have ever seen. Even above \"Jake\" The Snake, who I believe is vastly over rated in that department. He had a nice DDT but thats it.
Sometimes it feels that he works the \"botches\" into his matches to throw the fans for a loop. Obviously when he hurt his arm it was not for that, but othertimes I think it is. Like on Raw. I thought that was a great spot and added to the match.
Vastardikai
10-12-2010, 09:43 PM
Sorry. Jake is a GOD in the psychology department. He's the ultimate wrestling "anti-hero." And when he was a heel during whole Savage feud, he was a monster. He sold me on his being the most monstrous human being alive.
Randy can only hope to buy Jake his drugs in the psychology department.
And if he didn't have the gimmick, his behavior would be seen as unprofessional. I still think his actions are unprofessional and that his gimmick just rationalizes it.
Sometimes it feels that he works the \"botches\" into his matches to throw the fans for a loop. Obviously when he hurt his arm it was not for that, but othertimes I think it is. Like on Raw. I thought that was a great spot and added to the match.
:wtf: What would be the point in that?
Next Big Thing
10-12-2010, 11:26 PM
Orton is one of the best in-ring psycologists I have ever seen. Even above \"Jake\" The Snake, who I believe is vastly over rated in that department. He had a nice DDT but thats it.
Sometimes it feels that he works the \"botches\" into his matches to throw the fans for a loop. Obviously when he hurt his arm it was not for that, but othertimes I think it is. Like on Raw. I thought that was a great spot and added to the match.
You have just lost all credibility to speak about wrestling.
Jake Roberts was universally recognized as one of the brightest minds in this business and for you to say Orton is better is inane.
Why the fuck would any wrestler want to incorporate "botch spots" into their match? Wouldn't good old fashioned selling work better and be less.... you know... retarded. Watch the Daniel Bryan vs. Miz Match at N.O.C. he sold an arm injury well and Miz didn't have to fake a botch to do it.
If Orton was a better in ring psychologist, he would have figured out how to mask Kofi's botch. His entire demeanor in the ring is a poor man's Stone Cold Steve Austin, especially when he does that retarded head shake. The fact that he's unable to play anything but heel not only on the mic, but in his mannerisms in the ring shows that he's limited... still entertaining... but anyone who would put Orton over Jake the Snake in terms of ring psychology is a fool.
Fignuts
10-12-2010, 11:43 PM
Yeah, really shouldn't make as bold a statement as "Jake Roberts was overrated in the psychology department", without even bothering to explain why.
crusnik
10-13-2010, 01:17 AM
You have just lost all credibility to speak about wrestling.
Jake Roberts was universally recognized as one of the brightest minds in this business and for you to say Orton is better is inane.
Why the fuck would any wrestler want to incorporate "botch spots" into their match? Wouldn't good old fashioned selling work better and be less.... you know... retarded. Watch the Daniel Bryan vs. Miz Match at N.O.C. he sold an arm injury well and Miz didn't have to fake a botch to do it.
If Orton was a better in ring psychologist, he would have figured out how to mask Kofi's botch. His entire demeanor in the ring is a poor man's Stone Cold Steve Austin, especially when he does that retarded head shake. The fact that he's unable to play anything but heel not only on the mic, but in his mannerisms in the ring shows that he's limited... still entertaining... but anyone who would put Orton over Jake the Snake in terms of ring psychology is a fool.
agreed :y:
Furious Beardsley
10-13-2010, 01:20 AM
You have just lost all credibility to speak about wrestling.
Jake Roberts was universally recognized as one of the brightest minds in this business and for you to say Orton is better is inane.
Why the fuck would any wrestler want to incorporate "botch spots" into their match? Wouldn't good old fashioned selling work better and be less.... you know... retarded. Watch the Daniel Bryan vs. Miz Match at N.O.C. he sold an arm injury well and Miz didn't have to fake a botch to do it.
If Orton was a better in ring psychologist, he would have figured out how to mask Kofi's botch. His entire demeanor in the ring is a poor man's Stone Cold Steve Austin, especially when he does that retarded head shake. The fact that he's unable to play anything but heel not only on the mic, but in his mannerisms in the ring shows that he's limited... still entertaining... but anyone who would put Orton over Jake the Snake in terms of ring psychology is a fool.
Whilst he may have overstated it a bit, Orton is top notch/A+/outstanding and his psychology is pretty much second to none.
You have just lost all credibility to speak about wrestling.
This is a far more ridiculous and stupid statement than anything that you quoted.
Troelar
10-13-2010, 10:07 PM
Whilst he may have overstated it a bit, Orton is top notch/A+/outstanding and his psychology is pretty much second to none.
This is a far more ridiculous and stupid statement than anything that you quoted.
As my post counter clearly indicates, I'm quite new at this. So you'll excuse me if I've misunderstood something when I ask if you could develop your view further? Why is Orton top notch, why is his psychology second to none, and - easily following those two - why is that statement more stupid than anything quoted
Watch his matches. His facials, his timing, pretty much everything he does means something. He sells better than anybody in the business. He looks like a million dollars, he's over, he 'gets' it and he's universally acclaimed by most of his peers. Want me to carry on?
And his statement is ridiculous because he is nobody at all to tell anybody that they've 'lost all credibility to speak about wrestling'. It's one of those idiot type of statements that get thrown around a lot on the internet, probably in this case because the guy he aimed it at has 16 posts and it makes his e-cock hard.
It was Gabriel.
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Look how far Gabriel ends up at the end of the 450 Splash. It's like he was aiming for someone to the right of Orton. Where Gabriel's legs are when he lands is where Orton was originally. Plus the quickest way to get away should be rolling past the head otherwise if you roll the other way then you still have knees and feet to clear requiring you to roll twice instead of once. If Randy had rolled the other way then the gap between Gabriel and Randy would look big because of where Gabriel lands from overshooting.
Mr. Pierre
10-14-2010, 12:35 AM
Besides the legends like Taker & HHH, the best overall performer on the roster is Orton. CSL hit it on the head.
SOCCER LEGS
10-14-2010, 01:18 AM
orton is overrated in the ring, and a complete joke as a person. WWE has a lot of nerve taking that AWOL running pussy to their tribute to the troops shows. dude has thrown a bitch fit in the ring about 4 times now after something didn't go his way.
Next Big Thing
10-14-2010, 09:31 AM
Watch his matches. His facials, his timing, pretty much everything he does means something. He sells better than anybody in the business. He looks like a million dollars, he's over, he 'gets' it and he's universally acclaimed by most of his peers. Want me to carry on?
And his statement is ridiculous because he is nobody at all to tell anybody that they've 'lost all credibility to speak about wrestling'. It's one of those idiot type of statements that get thrown around a lot on the internet, probably in this case because the guy he aimed it at has 16 posts and it makes his e-cock hard.
I was going to let this all go because it's just a forum, but then you kept going. I come on here to post opinions and yes they will sometimes be greatly EXAGGERATED. I don't give a damn about seniority or post count and choose to not pick on people because of that. I was in the same position as he was once and had St. Jimmy do shit like that to me and I won't and don't do that to anyone else. Ask any of the new guys, read any of my posts or see what people write on my page and you'll see that. I have a life outside of this and don't need to come on a forum to stroke my ego, but judging by your post count and rep... you do. I don't appreciate you trying to make me out to be an e-bully when that's clearly not the case... so fuck off.
For that post, it was ridiculous for him to put Orton over Roberts and based on the fact that I've been repped five times over for it means some people agree with me. This is a forum. I can't take away his power to discuss wrestling nor would I. Perhaps in print that statement comes off harsher than it was meant to be, my apologies Moonlight Drifter, but again this is the internet. There are more important things going on in real life. Maybe you should experience it instead of trying to characterize me off of one post as something I'm not you jackass.
Triple Naitch
10-14-2010, 09:42 AM
I love how the #1 response to an online argument is "I have a life outside of here."
The Jayman
10-14-2010, 10:11 AM
internetz iz serious biznezz
Ortron is sirius bizniz
http://i53.tinypic.com/qxl4w6.jpg
The Pope
10-14-2010, 12:07 PM
orton is overrated in the ring, and a complete joke as a person. WWE has a lot of nerve taking that AWOL running pussy to their tribute to the troops shows. dude has thrown a bitch fit in the ring about 4 times now after something didn't go his way.
:foc::rant::wtf::roll:
Snowden
10-14-2010, 12:52 PM
If Orton was a better in ring psychologist, he would have figured out how to mask Kofi's botch. His entire demeanor in the ring is a poor man's Stone Cold Steve Austin, especially when he does that retarded head shake. The fact that he's unable to play anything but heel not only on the mic, but in his mannerisms in the ring shows that he's limited... still entertaining... but anyone who would put Orton over Jake the Snake in terms of ring psychology is a fool.
I think that his lack of masking Kofi's botch has less to do with his in ring ability, and more to do with the fact that he's a loose cannon in general. Could he have covered it? Probably, but he's kind of a prick, and instead chose to show up Kofi.
And I wouldn't necessarily agree that Orton can only play a heel either. He's playing the same character, yes, but that doesn't mean he's not acting like a face. There are parallels to be drawn between him and Austin (mainly in the fact that they'll RKO/Stun anyone and everyone), but they're far from the same character wise.
I actually think it speaks volumes to Orton that he can get an evil, deranged character over as a top face. The subtle changes he's made (some smiles, the usage of his "signature moves" at more pop-worthy moments, etc) are the things that have allowed him to be a face with that character, and THAT, at least in my view, speaks to how well he grasps in ring psychology.
Is he Jake Roberts? Dunno, haven't seen a ton of his work, can't make the comparison. But I think you're severely underrating his work, and mistaking the fact that he's playing a similar character for the fact that he can only play a heel. You don't have to change your character to change your alignment, and if anything, its harder to turn when not doing that. IMO, that shows some legit skill.
Tom Guycott
10-14-2010, 01:57 PM
Ortron is sirius bizniz
http://i53.tinypic.com/qxl4w6.jpg
In my head, I read that entire strip in his voice and cadence. Yes, I left the door open for a "voices in my head" joke. The funny thing is, I can actually see him cutting that particular promo in the ring to try to turn heel again and literally getting that reaction, activating his IED and leading to him punting referees and wrecking the set to more cheers... it's like Heenan's "Weasel" chant, but with a weird twist of the heel hating being cheered for.
To me, the botched 450 looked like bad timing, because it seemed to me Gabriel was SUPPOSED to overcompensate for Orton rolling away and land on him anyway, then the announcers would have put him over for anticipating the viper and somehow correcting in midair, or some such shit. Jumping half a second later would have landed him in perfect pinning position.
I also think that despite Kennedy being a bit sloppy in the ring, he was right in that Orton wasn't exactly the safest and smoothest at that point in his career. If people other than Randall aren't lining up to complain about the shitty ring work of all these wrestlers he throws fits about, maybe there's something to this "having himself to blame" argument. Instead of constructive criticisim, or just sneaking in a stiff shot or three, (or even make an angle out of it, like Saturn's "You're welcome" bit after his APA receipt for stiffing the indy kid) he complains and comes off like a whiny pussy.
I was going to let this all go because it's just a forum, but then you kept going. I come on here to post opinions and yes they will sometimes be greatly EXAGGERATED. I don't give a damn about seniority or post count and choose to not pick on people because of that. I was in the same position as he was once and had St. Jimmy do shit like that to me and I won't and don't do that to anyone else. Ask any of the new guys, read any of my posts or see what people write on my page and you'll see that. I have a life outside of this and don't need to come on a forum to stroke my ego, but judging by your post count and rep... you do. I don't appreciate you trying to make me out to be an e-bully when that's clearly not the case... so fuck off.
For that post, it was ridiculous for him to put Orton over Roberts and based on the fact that I've been repped five times over for it means some people agree with me. This is a forum. I can't take away his power to discuss wrestling nor would I. Perhaps in print that statement comes off harsher than it was meant to be, my apologies Moonlight Drifter, but again this is the internet. There are more important things going on in real life. Maybe you should experience it instead of trying to characterize me off of one post as something I'm not you jackass.
lol yes, I kept going and I'm the one with the problem, you know the guy responding to a two paragraph response to two sentences. Calm down sweetheart.
And shit, five whole reps. You must be absolutely correct then.
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