My biased opinion. (Angles that have no use being angles edition)

[Vastardikai]

OK, I know I am posting this way too god damned late, but I admittedly don't follow WWE outside of the boards. By "angles that have no use being angles," I'm talking about shit like Piggie James or "Serena gets drunk at the bar."

Ok, if you're having internal issues with a person you're working with, is it too much to ask to keep it, I dunno, INTERNAL? WWE has a really fucking bad habit of trying to make shoot angles or storylines out of things that should NOT be made.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike realistic, or "shoot" based storylines in general. I thought the whole Jake Roberts-Randy Savage feud worked for that very reason. And despite it's one-sided nature, the Edge-Matt Hardy feud, based on real life events, made Edge the most hated guy in the WWE.

I'm talking about stupid angles that are only meant to humiliate the people that are involved in them. Like the Piggie James angle, like the Serena thing, like "You're Welcome." (Though I will say that Saturn played it so over the top that he made it work.) Fuck, it goes all the way back to Adrian Adonis, who was given a gay gimmick because he got fat.

Main issue is, with very rare exceptions, it doesn't get over. The fans don't know or care what's going on behind the curtain. Hell, I doubt most of TPDub even knew about Serena's partying when the angle was made out of it. And beyond that, it seems counter productive.

That's kind of it. If you want to comment, say something now or whatever.

[Loose Cannon]

did Jake and Randy have problems back then? I never knew that if that's what you mean.

I love it when McMahon and his boys try to humiliate said wrestler and the wrestler takes the gimmick and gets over with. Adonis is a classic example. He was money with the Flower shop gimmick. Dusty Rhodes could be another example.

[Damian Rey]

I agree that certain issues management has with its workers should't be made public. Like you said, sometimes, it does in fact work. Example? Eddie Guerrero's worked shoot about being held down in WCW. That was an awesome promo. Did it go anywhere? No, but it was a great moment nonetheless.

I thought the Mickie James thing was only tasteless due to the fact that she never really got going in that feud. They pretty much buried her. She'd walk off crying or looking like a complete putz. It was almost sad. Had they booked her like a bat outta hell, and made her look strong, I think the angle would've been ok.

I'm aloof to the Perry Saturn thing. What happened there?

[Vastardikai]

did Jake and Randy have problems back then? I never knew that if that's what you mean.

I love it when McMahon and his boys try to humiliate said wrestler and the wrestler takes the gimmick and gets over with. Adonis is a classic example. He was money with the Flower shop gimmick. Dusty Rhodes could be another example.

Jake has said that the opening minutes of the matches were actually shoot fights after the whole snake bite incident. I'm talking about the whole thing where Jake seemed like the most monstrous human being alive, including slapping Elizabeth. But I felt that angle was realistic, but it worked.

As for the Eddie incident, it was a great TV moment. But in the end, what did it lead to? Another nWo ripoff and more or less nothing. The fans had no fucking clue what he was talking about.

[Next Big Thing]

I'm aloof to the Perry Saturn thing. What happened there?

Basically Perry Saturn had a match with this jobber from the Indie Circuit. The jobber either stiffed him or botched something in the match so Saturn got pissed off and beat the hell out of the guy and knocked out some of his teeth and made him bleed.

So to teach him a lesson, WWF had Bradshaw and Faarooq power bomb the shit out of Saturn in a match. This turned into the whole Saturn being crazy angle.

[Damian Rey]

As for the Eddie incident, it was a great TV moment. But in the end, what did it lead to? Another nWo ripoff and more or less nothing. The fans had no fucking clue what he was talking about.

Yea, that's where I was getting at. The promo brought the public a real life issue, and made for a great moment. The aftermath was stupid. But for that split second, it was pretty awesome.

[Next Big Thing]

OK, I know I am posting this way too god damned late, but I admittedly don't follow WWE outside of the boards. By "angles that have no use being angles," I'm talking about shit like Piggie James or "Serena gets drunk at the bar."

Ok, if you're having internal issues with a person you're working with, is it too much to ask to keep it, I dunno, INTERNAL? WWE has a really fucking bad habit of trying to make shoot angles or storylines out of things that should NOT be made.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike realistic, or "shoot" based storylines in general. I thought the whole Jake Roberts-Randy Savage feud worked for that very reason. And despite it's one-sided nature, the Edge-Matt Hardy feud, based on real life events, made Edge the most hated guy in the WWE.

I'm talking about stupid angles that are only meant to humiliate the people that are involved in them. Like the Piggie James angle, like the Serena thing, like "You're Welcome." (Though I will say that Saturn played it so over the top that he made it work.) Fuck, it goes all the way back to Adrian Adonis, who was given a gay gimmick because he got fat.

Main issue is, with very rare exceptions, it doesn't get over. The fans don't know or care what's going on behind the curtain. Hell, I doubt most of TPDub even knew about Serena's partying when the angle was made out of it. And beyond that, it seems counter productive.

That's kind of it. If you want to comment, say something now or whatever.

If you look at it though, all of those angles you mentioned kind of fit with the characters or help them get over.

The Piggie James angle was ridiculous, but it got LayCool over as the popular girl bitches and it did culminate in Mickey winning the title back if I'm correct.

With Serena's partying... I could see where maybe in an era where kayfabe was still alive it would make sense to do an angle like that, but nowadays after all Vince has done to expose the business I say that wasn't so necessary.

With Matt and Edge, both guys benefited tremendously from the heat that generated. No one cared about Matt Hardy before or since the day he was terminated and Edge became the Rated R Superstar off of it. The only victim in that case was Lita, who because of one mistake is forever remembered as a dirty whore instead of someone who added some legitimacy and epic botches the women's division.

Plus you have to look at the nature of the WWE. If a guy or girl with some value to the company is out of line, not doing the right thing, or letting themselves go, they can't necessarily release them because the competition might diminish, but they can use the writing to send a message. Although I do agree that there should be a limit as to how far it goes.

It's really no different than television writers using death angles to write a pain in the ass character off of a show.

The one thing I had a problem with was Lawler's commentary during the Bret Hart/HBK days when he would make comments about Stu and Helen. I think at one point he even announced Stu had died or some shit. To me, people's family should never be brought in like that.

I also wasn't a fan of Vince making Trish strip to her underwear and bark like a dog.

[Steveviscious89]

Sometimes that stuff just happens. As NBT said, it's not much different than a death angle. In Eddie's case....yeah I thought the so called 'lWo' was kind of a wash. I will say this: if I were a booker/writer, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of using a real-life scenario on the show, provided the performers were alright with doing it. And of course, only if it served to eventually push someone.

[dhellova guy]

I always wondered why they had Austin come out and call Lance Storm "boring". That kinda stuff can ruin people if fans start believing it. I think Lance got the biggest pops of his WWE career when people started chanting "boring", but it could have gone the other way and made the people not care about him at all.