Since Linda McMahon lost and John Cena is turning heel, is PG over? [Archive]

TheAdamEvansFan

11-05-2010, 08:05 PM

Linda McMahon lost.

John Cena is turning heel.

TNA is starting to pick up some power.

Will WWE take on their rival to give TNA some much needed respect? Will WWE try to launch a new war by going back to pleasure their male base?

With a possible Rock showing, Austin showing, etc. Could WWE be going back to the Attitude Era (Orton, Rappin Cena, Sheamus, Trips, Nexus) style to bring in a new era?

Tell us why you feel it'd be wise or bad for the WWE to get back to a revised Attitude Era with their current rising stars.

dronepool

11-05-2010, 08:10 PM

We can only hope they drop TV PG, but WWE isn't "beating" TNA anytime soon.

BizarroKing

11-05-2010, 08:11 PM

I think we all but covered this already.

Xero

11-05-2010, 08:12 PM

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St. Jimmy

11-05-2010, 08:23 PM

Ultra Mantis

11-05-2010, 08:28 PM

Who opened the Trap Door?

Volare

11-05-2010, 08:35 PM

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tjmidnight420

11-05-2010, 08:41 PM

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Xero

11-05-2010, 08:42 PM

Providence Peep

11-05-2010, 08:46 PM

Tell us why you feel it'd be wise or bad for the WWE to get back to a revised Attitude Era with their current rising stars.

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Ultra Mantis

11-05-2010, 08:47 PM

SOCCER LEGS

11-05-2010, 08:49 PM

"TNA picking up steam"

hahahahhaha... no

BollywoodSingh

11-05-2010, 09:19 PM

LOL Being PG is not what's hurting WWE. Going back to TV-14 (or whatever the rating was in the Attitude Era) isn't going to solve anything. And like someone implied, they have sponsorships with companies like Mattel that are way too lucrative to give up.

It's all about developing engaging storylines and characters. You don't need to be TV-14 to do that. There was some pretty intriguing wrestling shows before 1997, you know.

Juan

11-05-2010, 10:00 PM

So sick of the letters "PG"

RatedGSuperstar

11-05-2010, 10:01 PM

Tazz Dan

11-05-2010, 10:01 PM

I was actually going to make a thread about the attitude era later. I think the thing that people forget, was apart from the more 'edgier' storylines it was the character evolution that defined the era.

For example we had Hunter Hearst Helmsley turn into HHH, The Roadie into the Road Dogg, Rockabilly into Badd Ass Billy Gunn, The Ringmaster into Stone Cold, Rocky Maivia into The Rock etc.

With todays characters I honestly don't believe you could have the same transformations with the same effect. And the reason for that is that we have become too smart. It was easy when we were younger to accept a jobber becoming something better, but if we were all honest we'd struggle to do it now and bitch and moan how *insert name here* has been jobbing for 3 years, now we're meant to take them as a threat. Kane is a perfect example for that.

But yeah, pretty sure I'm dribbling shit now and not making sense. Maybe I should have just done my own thread for disscussion. But whatever.

CSL

11-05-2010, 10:02 PM

So sick of the letters "PG"

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But look at his little face you heartless bastard.

Theo Dious

11-05-2010, 10:07 PM

Anyone who thinks the PG thing was about Linda McMahon is a fucking retard. That is all.

CSL

11-05-2010, 10:09 PM

But people on the internet say it's true :?:

Juan

11-05-2010, 10:09 PM

Anyone who thinks the PG thing was about Linda McMahon is a fucking retard. That is all.

Dunno how many times I've said this same thing, but some people don't seem to get it.

Wishbone

11-05-2010, 10:55 PM

Linda losing won't change anything.
Cena isn't turning heel and never will in the forseeable future.
If anything TNA is losing steam.
You and Adam Evans are both gay.
Thank you and goodnight.

#1-norm-fan

11-05-2010, 11:03 PM

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The guys in the top left corner look like the guys from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia in cartoon form...

VSG

11-05-2010, 11:05 PM

Wow all the random trolls/smarks are in this thread.

Tazz Dan

11-05-2010, 11:30 PM

Wow all the random trolls/smarks are in this thread.

There is so much irony in this.

Theo Dious

11-05-2010, 11:32 PM

But people on the internet say it's true :?:

The internet? Is that thing still around?

Theo Dious

11-05-2010, 11:36 PM

Dunno how many times I've said this same thing, but some people don't seem to get it.

Smarks and wannabe smarks cum over anything they can do or say to paint anyone named McMahon in a bad light. "OMG they iz ruinning teh WWE with peegee programing sos linda mcmann can run 2 b a senniter TNAY is so awsum they will beet WWE soon and vinc mcmann is gay." It's useless to try to get their hands off their little ego-dicks.

Emperor Smeat

11-06-2010, 12:25 AM

Doesn't matter if overnight WWE went from PG to TV-14 or rated R if the writing and booking is still inconsistent and mainly full of Nickelodeon and regular TV show style writers.

Linda might have been one of the reasons they went to PG but not because she was running for Congress. She was involved in local politics years before considering running for Congress in Connecticut.

DLVH84

11-06-2010, 12:28 AM

Doesn't matter if overnight WWE went from PG to TV-14 or rated R if the writing and booking is still inconsistent and mainly full of Nickelodeon and regular TV show style writers.

Linda might have been one of the reasons they went to PG but not because she was running for Congress. She was involved in local politics years before considering running for Congress in Connecticut.

WWE needs some retired wrestlers like Michael Hayes to do the writing and booking.

CSL

11-06-2010, 12:43 AM

Michael Hayes head writer on Smackdown Michael Hayes?

Jeritron

11-06-2010, 12:58 AM

I want to make talking about PG a bannable offense. Most of it is pure bullshit and all of it is tired.

Londoner

11-06-2010, 01:01 AM

Where's the worst poll ever option?!

VSG

11-06-2010, 08:53 AM

Michael Hayes head writer on Smackdown Michael Hayes?

Praise the lord!

Fox

11-06-2010, 10:00 AM

As funny as so many of you find the theory on the relationship between WWE-PG and the McMahon Senate Race to be, I find it equally funny that you are all so unsusceptible to the idea when, thought out and processed logically, it makes perfect sense. An immediate problem with the idea for running for Senate for Linda McMahon is being forever and always associated with the WWE; a company that, though very successful, does not have the highest standing on capitol hill. So what's the best she can do? She can't disassociate herself from the product - it's almost like one of her children. So what do you do with the bad child that might ruin the election? The one with social problems who your opponent could point out as a sign that you, Linda, cannot raise a child and thus should not be a Senator. What do you do? You dress him up. You parade him around behind you like a good little boy with his combed and parted hair and his nice sweaters and his cute little suits. And you pretend to the press that he didn't REALLY set his school on fire four years ago... he's a good little boy? See? Look how good he is?

If you REALLY think it's SO far-fetched that the WWE would try and turn its image around from giving violence, sex, anger, blood and profanity to punk teenagers into providing a TV-PG rated show for tweens that's safe for your 10 year old to watch on Monday night without parental supervision for the sake of Linda McMahon's campaign for the United States Senate, then snap the fuck out of it. FAR MORE EXTREME things have happened in history for the sake of a political career than turning WWE from TV-14 to TV-PG. Think about it, people. Examine the situation with an open mind and stop just believing what you're told or only accepting what you see on the surface of a situation. Think deeper.

tjmidnight420

11-06-2010, 11:21 AM

WWE needs some retired wrestlers like Michael Hayes to do the writing and booking.

Michael Hayes head writer on Smackdown Michael Hayes?

:rofl:

HBPunk

11-06-2010, 11:32 AM

As funny as so many of you find the theory on the relationship between WWE-PG and the McMahon Senate Race to be, I find it equally funny that you are all so unsusceptible to the idea when, thought out and processed logically, it makes perfect sense. An immediate problem with the idea for running for Senate for Linda McMahon is being forever and always associated with the WWE; a company that, though very successful, does not have the highest standing on capitol hill. So what's the best she can do? She can't disassociate herself from the product - it's almost like one of her children. So what do you do with the bad child that might ruin the election? The one with social problems who your opponent could point out as a sign that you, Linda, cannot raise a child and thus should not be a Senator. What do you do? You dress him up. You parade him around behind you like a good little boy with his combed and parted hair and his nice sweaters and his cute little suits. And you pretend to the press that he didn't REALLY set his school on fire four years ago... he's a good little boy? See? Look how good he is?

If you REALLY think it's SO far-fetched that the WWE would try and turn its image around from giving violence, sex, anger, blood and profanity to punk teenagers into providing a TV-PG rated show for tweens that's safe for your 10 year old to watch on Monday night without parental supervision for the sake of Linda McMahon's campaign for the United States Senate, then snap the fuck out of it. FAR MORE EXTREME things have happened in history for the sake of a political career than turning WWE from TV-14 to TV-PG. Think about it, people. Examine the situation with an open mind and stop just believing what you're told or only accepting what you see on the surface of a situation. Think deeper.

Thank fuck for you! Finally someone has said it, im sick of coming here and reading the same old shit about PG not being related to Linda. The excuse always given . . ''WWE was PG before Linda ran'' well DUHHHHH, you think maybe, just maybe, Linda told Vince about her plan to run a year or two before she actually started campaigning?! this sounds stupid in my head but im gonna write it anyway cos of all the morons on here. . .WWE went PG before Linda started her campaign so THAT WWE WOULD BE PG WHEN SHE STARTED. Simple. WWE will slowly start moving towards Tv-14 soon, the fucking show is at 9pm, why the fuck would it stay PG?! Fuck off

Providence Peep

11-06-2010, 12:08 PM

im sick of coming here and reading the same old shit about PG not being related to Linda.

So, why don't you stop coming here?

Kane Knight

11-06-2010, 12:16 PM

It's weird seeing Tedious say something remotely sane.

Dunno how many times I've said this same thing, but some people don't seem to get it.

Because it doesn't fit their narrative.

If this is about business and business is good, there's no hope for the return of blood and chair shots.

If this is about political aspirations and those aspirations have failed, then we can keep hoping because change is just around the corner.

HBPunk

11-06-2010, 12:47 PM

So, why don't you stop coming here?

cos im fucking crazy in love with you obviously

Evil Vito

11-06-2010, 01:01 PM

<font color=goldenrod>John Cena is not turning heel.</font>

HBPunk

11-06-2010, 01:09 PM

<font color=goldenrod>John Cena is not turning heel.</font>

Ill see you here after he turns at Survivor Series and you can gobble up those delicious words. At SS Cena wont be getting 'fired' which means Barrett is gonna walk out World Champion (The belt will change hands so Barrett can hold it and drop it at Mania) No matter what happens at the finish Cena will have to count the 3 which means Orton is gonna wanna tear him apart the next night. Orton is the top face on Raw right now which leaves Cena to play the heel as Nexus help him beat Orton.

MoFo

11-06-2010, 01:28 PM

Why cant I neg rep OP?

Robodiv

11-06-2010, 01:33 PM

If its good, its good. If its shit, its shit. Regardless of rating.

Majunior

11-06-2010, 05:10 PM

the fucking show is at 9pm, why the fuck would it stay PG?!
Umm, because the WWE is a business, and even years ago they were losing sponsor after sponsor because of the vulgar, violent, lewd program they were putting out that companies wanted nothing to do with? Because the WWE wanted to actually get companies to spend their marketing dollars on the WWE again? I seem to remember the WWE lamenting the loss of ad revenue and sponsors for quite a while. At one point, it seemed like another sponsor was dropping out every week or two.

Fuck off
No no, feel free.

jskinnyg

11-06-2010, 05:13 PM

My God... this sux...

Wishbone

11-06-2010, 06:00 PM

Ill see you here after he turns at Survivor Series and you can gobble up those delicious words. At SS Cena wont be getting 'fired' which means Barrett is gonna walk out World Champion (The belt will change hands so Barrett can hold it and drop it at Mania) No matter what happens at the finish Cena will have to count the 3 which means Orton is gonna wanna tear him apart the next night. Orton is the top face on Raw right now which leaves Cena to play the heel as Nexus help him beat Orton.

Are you serious? I mean really do you believe what your saying? Orton is 'a' top face but Cena even as a member of Nexus is still 'the' top face of the WWE. If he screws Orton people will still cheer him over Orton and by people I mean the kids and women. Also I'm more or less expecting Cena to get 'fired' and through some crazy loophole or GM decision come back and take out Barrette after a short hiatis. WWE will never let Cena turn heel because in the end no one and I mean no one will be able to replace him as far a being a money maker, not Orton, not HHH, not Mysterio (althow he would probably come closest), not anyone.

#BROKEN Hasney

11-06-2010, 06:12 PM

Tards: Clearly it's not happening.

At least not before Christmas. Come the 27th Dec Raw, though, Tarver the serial rapist angle begins including brutal and graphic scenes of man-on-man rape.

You'll be begging for "PG" then.

owenbrown

11-06-2010, 06:32 PM

Generic troll thread # 431290128348014810234957238954

thedamndest

11-06-2010, 09:52 PM

Joey Styles just tweeted that TV PG is ending this Monday.

owenbrown

11-06-2010, 11:46 PM

don't tease us like this, thed

KIRA

11-07-2010, 02:56 AM

I don't care if they stay PG for the rest of our lives they've proven that they can write awesome stories if they try and since Triple H has an office now I have renewed hope for the writing.

Personally I think Vince is the real determent to his product he has proven time and time again that he is horribly out of touch.

Though not as bad as the brain-trust in TNA who are partying like its 1997

HBPunk

11-07-2010, 03:15 AM

Umm, because the WWE is a business, and even years ago they were losing sponsor after sponsor because of the vulgar, violent, lewd program they were putting out that companies wanted nothing to do with? Because the WWE wanted to actually get companies to spend their marketing dollars on the WWE again? I seem to remember the WWE lamenting the loss of ad revenue and sponsors for quite a while. At one point, it seemed like another sponsor was dropping out every week or two.

I remember Sopranos being 'vulgar, violent etc' and they had a good sponsor so thats horsepiss your spouting. Also the TV-14 was in place during the biggest wrestling boom in the history of the business. You actually think Vince would sit with PG if he was told 'The rating will be 5.5 or higher every week' So yeah, Fuck off

Are you serious? I mean really do you believe what your saying? Orton is 'a' top face but Cena even as a member of Nexus is still 'the' top face of the WWE. If he screws Orton people will still cheer him over Orton and by people I mean the kids and women. Also I'm more or less expecting Cena to get 'fired' and through some crazy loophole or GM decision come back and take out Barrette after a short hiatis. WWE will never let Cena turn heel because in the end no one and I mean no one will be able to replace him as far a being a money maker, not Orton, not HHH, not Mysterio (althow he would probably come closest), not anyone.

I would love to believe what im saying, in a perfect world id be spot on. Im hoping this happens and i think it might, Hogan got the kids to boo him joining NWO in 1996, Cena can do the same joining Nexus. both are equally as shit and hateful you see

HBPunk

11-07-2010, 03:18 AM

Umm, because the WWE is a business, and even years ago they were losing sponsor after sponsor because of the vulgar, violent, lewd program they were putting out that companies wanted nothing to do with? Because the WWE wanted to actually get companies to spend their marketing dollars on the WWE again? I seem to remember the WWE lamenting the loss of ad revenue and sponsors for quite a while. At one point, it seemed like another sponsor was dropping out every week or two.

Fucking hell, the more i read this the stupider you are getting. By your logic no tv show would risk anything but a PG rating. Seriously dude, where do you come from?! The smell of hay coming from you is harming my genitals

SlickyTrickyDamon

11-07-2010, 08:09 AM

Fucking hell, the more i read this the stupider you are getting. By your logic no tv show would risk anything but a PG rating. Seriously dude, where do you come from?! The smell of hay coming from you is harming my genitals

Well at least harming your genitals will do the entire race a solid if you can't produce children. Now to pwn you and all these Linda is the reason for the final time.

WWE has very little control in the time of advertising that comes on the TV station. That is done by USA Networks and the WWE doesn't get a very large cut of it anymore. They wanted to get back on USA so they took a deal with less perks like that.

So, WWE needed to gain more revenue outside of just television. So, they made an effort to court more investors in their product in both print, store fronts and in toys. WWE lost Pepsi during the Attitude era because of reports made by the ParentsTVCouncil. Now they have Mattel producing their toys and Pepsi Cola is funding their 7/11 store for two consecutive Summerslam Cup deal. The last time they had a cup deal Booker T was pissed off that RVD had a cup and then Goldust freaked Booker out by eating his wiener.

The ratings they got made it possible for them to get a great deal on Spike TV with huge profits from the television ad revenue. WWE ratings lowered so they were not able to get that type of deal in 2005 with NBC Universal.

KIRA

11-07-2010, 10:27 AM

Where's the "TheAdamEvansFan is an offensive douche bag" option?

HBPunk

11-07-2010, 12:27 PM

Well at least harming your genitals will do the entire race a solid if you can't produce children. Now to pwn you and all these Linda is the reason for the final time.

WWE has very little control in the time of advertising that comes on the TV station. That is done by USA Networks and the WWE doesn't get a very large cut of it anymore. They wanted to get back on USA so they took a deal with less perks like that.

So, WWE needed to gain more revenue outside of just television. So, they made an effort to court more investors in their product in both print, store fronts and in toys. WWE lost Pepsi during the Attitude era because of reports made by the ParentsTVCouncil. Now they have Mattel producing their toys and Pepsi Cola is funding their 7/11 store for two consecutive Summerslam Cup deal. The last time they had a cup deal Booker T was pissed off that RVD had a cup and then Goldust freaked Booker out by eating his wiener.

The ratings they got made it possible for them to get a great deal on Spike TV with huge profits from the television ad revenue. WWE ratings lowered so they were not able to get that type of deal in 2005 with NBC Universal.

and??? such drivel that was and you just ended in mid air, everything you said was fairly pointless. and pwn isnt unpronouncable,let alone a word

Theo Dious

11-07-2010, 04:19 PM

The one thing I'm not seeing discussed as much in regards to the PG business is the MMA influence. As much as he has his head up his ass on a number of issues, Jim Cornette was definitely on the mark when he said that a lot of the PG business has to do with MMA; while I'm not saying that it's solely responsible, it's a fairly logical thing to conclude that the demographic that made the Attitude Era so popular was largely drawn in by the sight of guy really beating the hell out of each other. That was a draw that reached a high point in Steve Austin. Now that UFC et al are far more accessible than they were in that day, it makes some sense that someone who wants to watch that kind of physical action is going to be more likely to watch guys doing it for real than in a worked environment. It's risky to chase a demographic that may already be trending in a different direction. Much as they did in the 80s, WWE is banking on the family audience as one that they can bring in and hang on to in order to replace the audience they've lost in the past few years.

It's weird seeing Tedious say something remotely sane.

I love you too. :kiss:

TheAdamEvansFan

11-07-2010, 05:54 PM

WWE went PG way before returning to USA. They were PG oriented on TNN, but didn't have Cena as a main product.

As a Poli Sci Major, I love those idiot trolls who say Linda McMahon didnt turn WWE because of her political ambitions. GET REAL TRAILER TRASH.

It's obvious the McMahons have a dominant agenda acros s the board.
- Vince unsuccessfully to launch XFL.
- Linda unsuccessfully to Senate.
- Shane focusing on becoming a main player in other dominant and important companies.
- Steph & Triple H slowly taking the reigns.

It's been in the works for a decade now.

Cena will turn HEEL and he will have a mixed review like Triple H has managed. Kids might get their parents to purchase merchandise of Cena's, but if the adults are tired of seeing Cena and his predictible storylines, then they will stop purchasing PPVs.

It appears as if WCW was focused on the children in the 90s and WWF was focused on Attitude Era loving teens and young adults.

However, today, it appears TNA and WWE (ironically both companies with new names but same staffing) have switched audience bases. TNA appeals to teens and young adults (even bringing in middle aged adults due to the oldschool wrestlers) while WWE focuses on WWECares and other children type promotions for the children base. Oddly though, their pro youth push of advertising and promos was around Election Time to sell to the people that they are pro family.

I expect that to change as Vince will want to make a statement and not be swayed to stay the PG course after Linda was rejected her seat.

He will go back to what he knows, being controversial and edgy, not watered down and censored.

Sepholio

11-07-2010, 06:13 PM

lol, this thread is awful. WWE went PG to try and salvage the ratings they used to receive by switching demographics. They needed a fresh approach because, plain and simple, they weren't drawing the same numbers with the old approach any more. That is how I see it anyways.

Also, lol @ wishbone thinking Mysterio is the only person capable of approaching Cenas' popularity as a face. That is some of the most laughable bullshit I have ever heard. Mysterio is a top face, no doubt, but Orton can definitely draw better at this time. So could Edge, or Taker. Hell, a returning HHH as a face would completely and utterly obliterate the pops Mysterio would get.

Mysterio has had a great career, but even you must realize that at some point, a character does begin to decline from the peak of their career, and Mysterio is on the back stretch of his career, IMO.