Raw Spoiler

[glanville6]

With The Miz cashing in Money in the Bank tonight, what is the "over/under" on this first reign?

[Juan]

Really?

[Shisen Kopf]

He will be the eternal champion

[glanville6]

Oops will he LOSE it at Royal Rumble, not lost it.

[Savio]

where is the "He will never lose it" option?

[Cool King]

Does the title of this thread not count as a Raw Spoiler? :-\

[Shisen Kopf]

How is it a spoiler? Shows over dude

[VSG]

WAY too early, but voting nonetheless.

[FourFifty]

ALready on YouTube

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[Aguakate]

I voted for the "He will lose it at the Royal Rumble" option.

It sounds about right. He may regain it at WM27, though.

[St. Jimmy]

Looking over the History of WWWF/WWF/WWE Champions. The Miz is the 2nd worst WWE Champion of all time, only being beaten by Diesel.

[BollywoodSingh]

I can't believe how far The Miz has come. I hated him so much when he was on Tough Enough in 2004 and I was shocked when he got signed in the first place. Now he's one of my favourites.

[glanville6]

I apologize about the title

[Mr Amazing]

i see miz losing the title at the next ppv (tlc) simular to edge in 2006

[XCaliber]

He will lose it at Wrestlemania... 28!

[Savio]

Looking over the History of WWWF/WWF/WWE Champions. The Miz is the 2nd worst WWE Champion of all time, only being beaten by Diesel.
Basing this off of?

[Aguakate]

Looking over the History of WWWF/WWF/WWE Champions. The Miz is the 2nd worst WWE Champion of all time, only being beaten by Diesel.

This is what's wrong with some fans. They complain about how the same old guys keep on getting Titles and wins, yet when a new, young wrestler gets his break, they'll complain too.

[VSG]

Looking over the History of WWWF/WWF/WWE Champions. The Miz is the 2nd worst WWE Champion of all time, only being beaten by Diesel.

??

[OldSchoolFan]

I LOVE the girl at about 3:45 of that vids face...

[Theo Dious]

Basing this off of?

Based of of his being an asshole?

[thedamndest]

Miz is great as a character but doesn't have the ability to make me want to see him in a 25 minute match.

[Cool King]

How is it a spoiler? Shows over dude

Yes, but not everyone watches/gets Raw live where they are.

[Jeritron]

Miz is great as a character but doesn't have the ability to make me want to see him in a 25 minute match.

In all fairness though, he hasn't been involved in very many 25 minute matches yet. And not really with guys like Cena or HHH.
I think he will have the ability to do that now that he's "leveled up."

[Jeritron]

Yes, but not everyone watches/gets Raw live where they are.

This is true, but I would have to question why someone would be reading a wrestling forum at 11:05 est on a monday night if they were concerned about being spoiled

[Jeritron]

It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when people complain about spoilers on a themed forum/thread to something that has already happened on television, or a movie that has already been released, etc.

I suppose it's a dick move to make the spoilers so direct, but it's also common sense to stay the fuck away.

[Aguakate]

In all fairness though, he hasn't been involved in very many 25 minute matches yet. And not really with guys like Cena or HHH.
I think he will have the ability to do that now that he's "leveled up."

Right, he's GOT to wrestle Triple H at some point. Triple H is in a spot now where they can use him to get over the younger talent, as they did with Sheamus. I'm not saying Triple H is on his way out, and that's all he should be used for, what I mean is that wrestling with guys like Triple H "legitimizes" the young guys. That's what Miz is lacking, big time matches with the "top dogs". You've got to think he'll get those now.

[Jeritron]

I've been wanting Miz vs HHH at Wrestlemania for a few months now. I hope it happens, title or not.

[Cool King]

This is true, but I would have to question why someone would be reading a wrestling forum at 11:05 est on a monday night if they were concerned about being spoiled

Well the thread title would still be visible on the main forum whenever someone replies to it, no matter what time of day it is. :-\

For all we know, someone could not have watched Raw yet but is avoiding the wrestling forum for obvious reasons, and only going into Casual or Video Games or whatever. But then someone replies to the thread and it's on the front page of the forum for that person to see.

Also, nothing this big has happened on Raw since I think Bret Hart's return, so I don't think anyone would be expecting a spoiler quite like The Miz becoming WWE Champion. That would be the last thing someone would expect to happen on Raw.

[Aguakate]

This guy is the WWE Champion. You've got to hand it to him, he dreamed it, and achieved it:

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[thedamndest]

In all fairness though, he hasn't been involved in very many 25 minute matches yet. And not really with guys like Cena or HHH.
I think he will have the ability to do that now that he's "leveled up."

That is true. But looking back I can't think of any Miz matches that were must sees. He's obviously competent in the ring but now we will find out of he is as good as his push.

[James Steele]

About time you guys turned around and realized how important/awesome/immortal Triple H is.

[Aguakate]

About time you guys turned around and realized how important/awesome/immortal Triple H is.

I've never said the opposite.

[Jeritron]

Well the thread title would still be visible on the main forum whenever someone replies to it, no matter what time of day it is. :-\

For all we know, someone could not have watched Raw yet but is avoiding the wrestling forum for obvious reasons, and only going into Casual or Video Games or whatever. But then someone replies to the thread and it's on the front page of the forum for that person to see.

Also, nothing this big has happened on Raw since I think Bret Hart's return, so I don't think anyone would be expecting a spoiler quite like The Miz becoming WWE Champion. That would be the last thing someone would expect to happen on Raw.

I wouldn't come to The People's Wrestling Website after Raw had aired unless I wanted to know what happened, but that's just me.
I'm not really going to argue about it, but whether you see it from the wrestling forum, or the main page, it's still a wrestling website and it's still 10 minutes after Raw aired live.

[thedamndest]

A bunch of people called Miz cashing it in so it was clearly not the last thing someone would expect to happen on Raw.

[SOCCER LEGS]

it's gonna be like swagger's reign... he's not gonna be a credible threat against major faces

[bigslimjj]

This is a true story....of 7 strangers picked to live in a house...and one of em will start out as a racist on that show, and someday be a wwe champion....from freakin Ohio.But Sheamus got his belt about this time last year and took it to WM. I'm picking No way out in the chamber.

[Ruien]

A bunch of people called Miz cashing it in so it was clearly not the last thing someone would expect to happen on Raw.

They have been calling it in on every other ppv also.

[St. Jimmy]

This is what's wrong with some fans. They complain about how the same old guys keep on getting Titles and wins, yet when a new, young wrestler gets his break, they'll complain too.

I didn't complain when CM Punk, Jack Swagger, or Sheamus won the title. Miz is awful.

[St. Jimmy]

Yes, but not everyone watches/gets Raw live where they are.

America > Everyone Else.

[Aguakate]

I didn't complain when CM Punk, Jack Swagger, or Sheamus won the title. Miz is awful.

...he's not awful, come on, now. You may not like his character, or his style, or how he wrestles, but he's not AWFUL.

[Juan]

We all know St. Jimmy has immaculate taste in wrestling, so he must be right.

[St. Jimmy]

We all know St. Jimmy has immaculate taste in wrestling, so he must be right.

Why thank you, I appreciate your never-ceasing support, Juan.

[James Steele]

Wait, The Miz was considered racist on the Real World? What was that all about...

[Juan]

Wait, The Miz was considered racist on the Real World? What was that all about...

He and a black chick named Coral from the Real World NY cast did not get along at all. They would get into arguments all the time and one time he said something stupid about her being a bitch because she's black.

They ended up patching things up tho and won several of the Road Rules/Real World challenges together.

[James Steele]

He and a black chick named Coral from the Real World NY cast did not get along at all. They would get into arguments all the time and one time he said something stupid about her being a bitch because she's black.

They ended up patching things up tho and won several of the Road Rules/Real World challenges together.

Oh ok. The Miz is growing on me more and more. Callin' out bitches...[/Tupac]

[Tom Guycott]

I LOVE the girl at about 3:45 of that vids face...

I don't even have to watch the clip to know what girl you're talking about ('cause I actually caught the end of RAW). She looked like she was about to storm the ring, hit the F5 on Miz, and declare herself #1 contender.

[Juan]

Oh ok. The Miz is growing on me more and more. Callin' out bitches...[/Tupac]

When the show first started, they pointed out that Miz was an only child who had grown up somewhat sheltered and had never interacted with gays and blacks, so some of the animosity stemmed from that.

Miz was basically a dumb jock/frat boy for pretty much the whole season. Plus, he was only 21 at the time.

[James Steele]

When the show first started, they pointed out that Miz was an only child who had grown up somewhat sheltered and had never interacted with gays and blacks, so some of the animosity stemmed from that.

Miz was basically a dumb jock/frat boy for pretty much the whole season. Plus, he was only 21 at the time.

I imagine some creative MTV editing helped too.

[dronepool]

This guy is the WWE Champion. You've got to hand it to him, he dreamed it, and achieved it:

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[Juan]

Coral was a total bitch

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[James Steele]

Wow.

[Cuzziebro]

St. Jimmy please explain how you concluded that The Miz is the 2nd worst Champion? I don't see how you came to that conclusion at all.
Personally, I enjoy The Miz quite a bit. He is a great character and no he may not be at HHH's level, for example, however he deserved this title and hopefully they make the most of it. Knowing WWE they wont. But we all can hope.

[St. Jimmy]

St. Jimmy please explain how you concluded that The Miz is the 2nd worst Champion? I don't see how you came to that conclusion at all.
Personally, I enjoy The Miz quite a bit. He is a great character and no he may not be at HHH's level, for example, however he deserved this title and hopefully they make the most of it. Knowing WWE they wont. But we all can hope.

He isn't a draw. He never will be.

[Sixx]

I don't like him, but that's not the point.

Just knowing WWE, he will disappear from the World Title scene as soon as he loses the belt. Don't know when it will happen though. Probably two PPVs from now, whatever comes then.

[Cuzziebro]

Besides the fact that I like The Miz, I think WWE handled his MITB Cash In/Title Match very well. It was drawn out, Miz was given time to build himself more. I don't want to jinx it but maybe someone higher up in the E is starting to get it right.

[MoFo]

He will never lose it.

[Savio]

He isn't a draw. He never will be.So Vince McMahon was a better champion than him?

[Ruien]

Coral was a total bitch

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"I hope we go to the desert because I want to trade you for some camels" (Random guy talking to Coral) :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Volare]

I think this run is going to go the same as Sheamus'. He'll have questionable victories and lose it in the EC.

[Nightwing]

Elimination Chamber.

[Brigstocke]

Looking over the History of WWWF/WWF/WWE Champions. The Miz is the 2nd worst WWE Champion of all time, only being beaten by Diesel.

How fucking dare you?

[Haze]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=57&pictureid=1650
I Came to Play

[Nightwing]

Its so easy to judge how horrible of a champion he is when he was champion on tv for a whole 3 minutes, and hasnt had the belt for a day yet.

[Jeritron]

He isn't a draw. He never will be.

Why am I supposed to give a fuck? Am I a stockholder? Are you? We are fucking fans.
If you don't like him, which you obviously don't, just leave it at that. It's your opinion that he's a poor champ (even though we haven't seen a lick of his reign) but don't act like it's fact and don't appeal to inappropriate authorities, like drawing power.
I respect that you don't like the guy but trolling his title reign 5 minutes in and justifying it on drawing powers is laughable.

[jerichoholicninja]

He isn't a draw. He never will be.

He's not a draw? The crowd after he won was insane. For a heel beating a top face for the title unfairly, the crowd really seemed to love it.

[Jeritron]

I'm sure Swagger and Sheamus sell so much more merchandise than The Miz.

Honestly though, I don't think Orton and Cena were any bigger of draws in 2004.

[St. Jimmy]

He's not a draw? The crowd after he won was insane. For a heel beating a top face for the title unfairly, the crowd really seemed to love it.

They were excited that something unexpected happened. Anyone could've cashed in that briefcase and would've had that same pop.

[Savio]

You didn't answer my question.

[Xero]

They were excited that something unexpected happened. Anyone could've cashed in that briefcase and would've had that same pop.

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That video begs to differ, even with the added crowd response.

[Jeritron]

The Miz is obviously more over than plenty of other champions in recent years, and has potential to be a bigger draw if he isn't already.

It's hard to tell what kind of a draw someone is until they are champion, and with the way things are in the current climate, it's hard to tell even then.
But The Miz certainly isn't any less of a draw than anyone else in the uppermidcard is or ever really has been.

Orton/Cena weren't bigger draws right when they were breaking through in 2004, or Punk a few years ago, or Swagger/Sheamus last year, and so on.
Was Edge that much more of a draw when he went and cashed in for the title?
Jericho has been a great champion over the past few years, and he's certainly not a huge draw like Cena or Rey.

Nowadays the champion doesn't really carry the company on his back anymore. It's the entire roster that does that collectively, and the champions really are creative decisions. I think individual drawing is less important when it comes to the title belts, except for maybe at Wrestlemania.
Creatively, I think Miz is worthy. And I think that's really all that's relevant now. Especially as a fan.

[St. Jimmy]

Xero, that pop was pretty much no different than the pop the Miz got. I don't hear a difference.

[St. Jimmy]

Nowadays the champion doesn't really carry the company on his back anymore.

Right. That just adds to the argument that he wasn't a draw before he was champion, he won't be any more of a draw as champion. No one consciously will buy a PPV or a Ticket because of Mike Mizanin; the people who say they will or disagree are doing so because they have are trying to make a point on how contradictory they can be.

[Droford]

I said he'd lose at the Chamber, similar to what happened to Sheamus earlier this year.

They fucking have to do Miz vs Morrison at the Rumble though. The Title match is usually a throw away anyway at the Rumble and that match would be awesome.

[Droford]

Also, Miz needs to rip off Jericho and have a Monday Night R-AWESOME shirt.

[Jeritron]

Right. That just adds to the argument that he wasn't a draw before he was champion, he won't be any more of a draw as champion. No one consciously will buy a PPV or a Ticket because of Mike Mizanin; the people who say they will or disagree are doing so because they have are trying to make a point on how contradictory they can be.

Not only is that not true, but it's irrelevant. How does this garbage about his drawing ability explain whether or not I should enjoy him as champion?

[Jeritron]

Now I'm supposed to prefer Hogan to Shawn because of drawing power

[St. Jimmy]

Not only is that not true, but it's irrelevant. How does this garbage about his drawing ability explain whether or not I should enjoy him as champion?

Since when is this discussion about you?

[Jeritron]

It's a discussion about you stating he's the 2nd worst champion in WWE history as though it were fact.
Not only is that ridiculous, since he won it last night, but it's also just impossible to state something like that and argue it with any tangible facts.
If it's your opinion, that is fine, but you started citing drawing power and evidence to support your case.

[Cuzziebro]

Right. That just adds to the argument that he wasn't a draw before he was champion, he won't be any more of a draw as champion. No one consciously will buy a PPV or a Ticket because of Mike Mizanin; the people who say they will or disagree are doing so because they have are trying to make a point on how contradictory they can be.

Is there really people out there who buy a ticket to a live RAW/Smackdown/PPV etc. for just ONE specific wrestler?

[Fox]

I'm pretty excited about The Miz winning the WWE Championship on RAW. It's not like Kane or Jack Swagger cashing in, or Sheamus winning the WWE title; this time I really think they've given the world title to someone who can truly take the ball and run with it. Right now, when the WWE is trying new things and giving the spotlight to new stars, I think that The Miz is someone who can capitalize on that spotlight and make himself into a superstar. Nobody in the WWE has his mic skills right now. Super Cena and Robo-Orton are bland and boring, Jericho is gone, Punk is on the shelf, even Triple H might not be able to hold the microphone with The Miz.

The man is on top of his game and has earned his rise to the top. From his matches in ECW to Miz and Morrison, ShowMiz, his "feud" with John Cena and his recent run with the US Title, Miz has been a highlight of the WWE for a long time. I just hope the WWE gives him the time and storylines necessary to help make him a star. If nothing else, I, and many others I'm sure, can't wait to hear The Miz cut a promo on Monday night RAW, and that alone is a sign that the company is doing something right.

[Fox]

Also, back on topic, I really hope he holds the title until WrestleMania, where he loses it to someone like Triple H or Orton.

[Savio]

I would like to see him cut a promo about how he will be the only one from a tough enough series to win a title, cue john morrison

[Volare]

Now that would be pretty cool Savior, relive a little bit of history and turn it into something good.

Former Tough Enough castmates.
Former WWE and World Tag Champs. (together)
Both have held either US or IC titles.

[St. Jimmy]

and he's the first openly homosexual WWE Champion of all time!

[Mr. Pierre]

It's amazing how much he's improved. 5 years ago he was jobbing out to Boogeyman, and his only way of getting over was beating Tatanka with his shitty neckbreaker finisher. He's come a looooong way, and it's great to see :y:

[Nightwing]

I would like to see him cut a promo about how he will be the only one from a tough enough series to win a title, cue john morrison


Which in return could help build the re-launch of the series.

[Tommy Gunn]

and he's the first openly homosexual WWE Champion of all time!

What?

I google searched 'The Miz Gay' and one of the links was titled 'why is Michael Cole so gay for The Miz?'

That's bout all I found, I think you're telling me lieeeeees.

[Volare]

TO MANY LIES!!
TO MANY LIES!!

OOOOOooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......

[Tommy Gunn]

TOO?

[Juan]

Too many limes

[James Steele]

http://nimg.sulekha.com/entertainment/original700/nancy-o-dell-triple-h-2009-8-22-5-10-49.jpg

[Juan]

That is relevant

[Volare]

Too many limes

The only limes you care about are in your Corona. :D

[James Steele]

Juan is a horrible fucking mod.