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Supreme Olajuwon

12-16-2010, 07:34 AM

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CM Punk

VS.

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"Rowdy" Roddy Piper

3 DAYS

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option></select>

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Supreme Olajuwon

12-16-2010, 07:36 AM

This matchup seems appropriate. If I had to compare Punk to a wrestler from the past, it'd probably be Piper.

St. Jimmy

12-16-2010, 07:40 AM

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Rammsteinmad

12-16-2010, 07:56 AM

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Ermaximus

12-16-2010, 08:24 AM

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The fire burns and it results in CM Punk being the newest member of the TPWW BW HoF.

dhellova guy

12-16-2010, 09:35 AM

Ultra Mantis

12-16-2010, 09:44 AM

Two of the best promo guys of all time, but Punk is much better in-ring.

Anybody Thrilla

12-16-2010, 10:28 AM

Ermaximus

12-16-2010, 10:34 AM

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Piper, hands down.

Punk, maybe in time. Put anyone who voted for Punk today over Piper cant possibly been watching for all that long. Probably dont even know who Piper is.

HOT ROD!!!

Piper was a staple during the WWF days and he was by far one of the best when it came to cutting promos. Piper's Pit more or less paved the way for the likes of Carlito's Cabana, The Highlight Reel, The Peep Show, The VIP Lounge, etc.

I give Piper props for being a legend and being entertaining during the earlier days of WWF, but Punk just has that "it" factor that Hot Rod never had IMO.

CSL

12-16-2010, 10:48 AM

It's Piper, come on. Punk is great and everything and in 10 years might be in a position to topple Piper but sure as fuck not now. Piper is currently ahead in just about every category except maybe straight ability/ability to put consistently the better match on and even that is questionable. I know this place loves Punk and some people would vote him over Jesus in a nice guy poll but he's no Piper yet. What ABT said also.

CSL

12-16-2010, 10:50 AM

The Jayman

12-16-2010, 11:05 AM

XCaliber

12-16-2010, 11:28 AM

If we're comparing them in their primes i'd say Hot Rod all the way.

Innovator

12-16-2010, 11:41 AM

I'm the biggest Punker supporter here probably, and even I'm voting for Piper. I'm pretty sure Punk would smack you for voting for him over Hot Rod.

TWO MINUTES of Roddy talking got people interested in the Cena/Wade/Orton thing at Survivor Series.

CSL

12-16-2010, 12:58 PM

From 9-1 Punk to 10-10

dhellova guy

12-16-2010, 01:42 PM

Piper was a staple during the WWF days and he was by far one of the best when it came to cutting promos. Piper's Pit more or less paved the way for the likes of Carlito's Cabana, The Highlight Reel, The Peep Show, The VIP Lounge, etc.

I give Piper props for being a legend and being entertaining during the earlier days of WWF, but Punk just has that "it" factor that Hot Rod never had IMO.

PIPER DIDNT HAVE THE "IT" FACTOR?!?!? Is that a joke? Is that an NXT reference or something?

I like CM Punk as well as the next guy (well, not as much as some, I guess), but to say he is better then Roddy Piper RIGHT NOW is recockulus.

I think Piper gets a bad rap becuase he never held the title, but if he was around today, trust me, he'd be a multi-time champion.

Remember this too: Piper, IMHO, was just as intremental in getting Wrestlemania I off the ground as Hogan. You think Orndorff could have done it alone? Who could you substitute for Piper and make that event memorable? King Kong Bundy? Iron Shiek? Volkoff? Nope.

Pipers "it" rating is off the fuckin charts. He has more "it" in his pinky then most people have in there hold bodies. I'd still watch him to this day. I marked out big time for Pipers pit.

Nicky Fives

12-16-2010, 01:43 PM

I see Punk and Piper virtually equal on the microphone and Punk miles ahead in the ring...... I go with Punk

BizarroKing

12-16-2010, 01:53 PM

Punk for TPWW HOF!

Rammsteinmad

12-16-2010, 02:15 PM

For the comments that say about comparing them both in their primes, how can we truly say what Punk's prime is at this point in his career?

That may sound a bit stupid, but Punk's return from injury could bring forth the greatest stuff the history of pro wrestling/superstaring has ever seen.

I made my vote by what I know here and now. Piper was good, but to be fair he was a bit before my time, so most of what I know was his WCW stuff and old videos/DVDs/youtube.

Punk on the other hand, is the goods. :y:

Tazz Dan

12-16-2010, 03:10 PM

Piper is one of the all time greats. Anybody who votes against him had better have a good reason for it!

Like me, I just think Punk deserves the HOF like I said last round :shifty:

Tazz Dan

12-16-2010, 03:11 PM

Also, I voted before I looked at the standings. Actually thought Piper would be killing him.

Attitude99

12-16-2010, 03:16 PM

Easily The Hot Mothafuckin Rod, Punk is average, how did he get so far ?

Tazz Dan

12-16-2010, 03:46 PM

Because people enjoy him?

Wishbone

12-16-2010, 04:10 PM

This one was really tough Piper is one of the all time greats and his mic work is almost unrivaled but Punk has been more entertaining in the ring for me then Piper ever was and his promos can stand their own even against Piper's so in the end I had to go with Punk for this one

dhellova guy

12-16-2010, 04:26 PM

*sigh*

I'm gunna make an ass out of myself here, but i'm stupified.

Piper was great, on the mic AND in the ring. His early matches with Flair are classics. His matches with Hogan are watchable BECAUSE of him. He tore it up with Snuka. He made me believe that Mr. T was legit.

I am far from a Punk hater, but COME ON!!!!!!!

I will grant that Punk has a better move set then Piper, but very few had the moves back then that we see today. Pipers ring psychology, his believability, energy, fire...

ya know what? Just go watch his match with Bret Hart from Wrestlemania VII.

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Jeritron

12-16-2010, 04:36 PM

Tazz Dan

12-16-2010, 05:30 PM

Not that I'm saying people shouldn't vote against Piper, hell I'm almost ashamed I didn't. But can we stop using his match against Bret at Mania 8 as the reason to vote for him. He had so many more great moments. Probably not as many great matches, but moments, yes.

Emperor Smeat

12-16-2010, 05:45 PM

Tough choice since both are great with promos and can put on entertaining matches but my vote went with Piper.

Vince could have chosen anyone to face Hogan and Mr T in the 1st Wrestlemania but he knew Piper was the best choice as the villain and to help Hogan's road to becoming the great superstar he became in the mainstream.

To be fair, I didn't see any of Piper in pre-WWF and early WWF years but at the same time didn't see much of Punk during his ROH and TNA years either.

Punk eventually will become equal to Piper in a few more years and maybe even surpass him since Punk is very well-rounded as a wrestler and as a speaker/announcer.

dhellova guy

12-16-2010, 06:04 PM

I recognize that Punk is probably getting a lot of votes because of the high level of praise for him currently on these boards, but I don't think that means Piper is the absolute correct answer.
It's hard for me to subscribe to the idea that there is a factual answer, or plead with people who disagree.
I love Piper, but I honestly may just enjoy Punk more by now.

That's like Flair vs _____. Other than a couple wrestlers, it is generally consensus that Flair is the best. That doesn't mean I have to feel that way.
I can think of 10 guys I'd vote over Flair, personally. I would never argue that Mick Foley is "greater" than Flair, but I simply enjoy him more.

That doesn't mean Piper isn't great, but I think this is a preference poll, and not an objective question of who is a bigger legend or has a better body of work.

With all that being said, I would say this is pretty close for me.
I feel compelled to vote both ways.

Ok, I would probably agree with your premise, maybe I'm just not liking some of the reasons people are giving. He had tremendus in ring talent, it is just different back then then it is now. But saying that Punk is miles ahead of Piper talent wise is incorrect. The difference is not that great.

Not that I'm saying people shouldn't vote against Piper, hell I'm almost ashamed I didn't. But can we stop using his match against Bret at Mania 8 as the reason to vote for him. He had so many more great moments. Probably not as many great matches, but moments, yes.

I dont remember this match being posted anywhere else, but granted, I do smoke alot of crack, so I could have missed it. But it was a great match, and made Bret as a singles competitor.

Alright, I can tell i've said enough on this topic, vote however you want.

I'm going back to my pipe...

The Gold Standard

12-16-2010, 08:41 PM

To me it was such a coin flip. I actually flipped a coin. Punk won.

CSL

12-16-2010, 09:21 PM

TPWW.net/wrestlingforum never ceases to amaze me.

Xero

12-16-2010, 09:28 PM

On one hand, Piper is, to me, bar-none, the greatest talker of all time. No one comes close, and he still has it, all these years later.

Punk isn't quite there with Piper on promos, but he's WAY up there. But Piper easily beats him out on promos.

In-ring, Piper was great. Piper/Valentine Dog Collar is one of my favorite matches in fact. But it does come down to the time and the talent he worked with, and on a whole (at least in WWF, which is all I can really talk about) he didn't have that many great matches when it comes to in-ring work.

Punk, though, always brings it. I can't name any match of his that I would consider a top ten favorite, but his matches always entertain me and have me glued to the screen.

When it comes to in-ring, Punk wins overall because he's constantly working with GOOD wrestlers and/or constantly putting on GOOD to GREAT matches.

They both have excellent psychology.

Punk is an amazing heel, especially now because there is no one who is at all like him in WWE.

Piper, though, is THE heel. Piper was as much, if not more important than Hogan was going into WrestleMania. Without Piper, Mania wouldn't have happened. Without Hogan? I think it could have happened with someone else who had the Hogan push.

There is a definite generational thing here. I prefer Punk's in-ring style to Piper's. But mic work wise, Piper is timeless.

In the end, I'm going with Piper. He is an absolute legend that will live on. I honestly couldn't say the same about Punk right now. In a few years I could easily see it. But if he retired right now? No.

Tazz Dan

12-16-2010, 09:28 PM

TPWW.net/wrestlingforum never ceases to amaze me.

Me too. But ya know, people are entitled to their own opinion. There's no right or wrong answer. :-\

CSL

12-16-2010, 09:31 PM

Oh absolutely. It just makes phantom question marks appear over my head at times.

CSL

12-16-2010, 09:31 PM

':?:'

Nark Order

12-16-2010, 09:34 PM

I like Punk but come on. Jesus Christ.

Jeritron

12-16-2010, 11:00 PM

It obviously changes things that Punk is in his prime, and Piper's prime ended over 15 years ago.
That obviously doesn't change legacy and body of work, but some people are going to feel stonger about a guy who is on fire and full of potential right now, than someone they've seen stink out the joint in WCW.

CSL

12-16-2010, 11:03 PM

I think a lot of it is probably that people have just not seen any of/enough of Piper. Which in a round about way is what you said. And there isn't really anything that can be done about that.

CSL

12-16-2010, 11:07 PM

Doesn't make it any less gay though you bastardizing bastards.

CSL

12-16-2010, 11:09 PM

I move that in order to qualify to vote in Better Wrestler, you must have 5,000 logged hours of professional wrestling viewing spread across roughly equal periods from the 80's, 90's and 00's.

CSL

12-16-2010, 11:10 PM

Motion denied? Alrighty then.

CSL

12-16-2010, 11:10 PM

Supreme Olajuwon

12-16-2010, 11:13 PM

25-25. Oh my.

Juan

12-17-2010, 04:19 AM

I LOVE CM Punk, but it just felt right voting for Piper.

I doubt Piper makes it into the HOF tho.

dhellova guy

12-17-2010, 09:27 AM

I move that in order to qualify to vote in Better Wrestler, you must have 5,000 logged hours of professional wrestling viewing spread across roughly equal periods from the 80's, 90's and 00's.

Second

MoFo

12-17-2010, 01:30 PM

Piper is greatness, Punk is not.

St. Jimmy

12-17-2010, 01:32 PM

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Rammsteinmad

12-17-2010, 01:40 PM

Last time I was in here Punk was way ahead of Piper. It's now 30-29 to Punk. Wow.

Seriously though, since turning heel imo everything punk has done has been nothing but stella. Matches, promos, 'moments', annoucing etc etc.

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 01:42 PM

I LOVE CM Punk, but it just felt right voting for Piper.

I doubt Piper makes it into the HOF tho.

You're out of your mind, bro. He's definitely going in, especially considering the fact that he's still willing to work with them today.

Last time I was in here Punk was way ahead of Piper. It's now 30-29 to Punk. Wow.

Seriously though, since turning heel imo everything punk has done has been nothing but stella. Matches, promos, 'moments', annoucing etc etc.

Yeah, Punk is the man right now. Probably my favorite in WWE. But all I can think about is Wrestlemania VIII (suck it, Tazz Dan).

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 01:43 PM

Haha, remember the Hollywood Backlot Brawl from Wrestlemania XII between Piper and Goldust? That shit was silly, but awesome.

Ermaximus

12-17-2010, 01:54 PM

Haha, remember the Hollywood Backlot Brawl from Wrestlemania XII between Piper and Goldust? That shit was silly, but awesome.

That was a pretty amazing match. Didn't Piper put Goldust into a dumpster and hit him with a bag of garbage?

Lock Jaw

12-17-2010, 02:09 PM

Had to think about this long and hard.... but I have to give the vote to Piper. Why? I don't know. In the end it just came down to a gut instinct since my brain could not decide.

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 02:33 PM

That was a pretty amazing match. Didn't Piper put Goldust into a dumpster and hit him with a bag of garbage?

Yeah. Plus they had OJ Simpson's white Bronco.

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 02:33 PM

And Piper kissed him.

Ermaximus

12-17-2010, 02:37 PM

Yeah. Plus they had OJ Simpson's white Bronco.

And Piper kissed him.

Hahahaha. I forgot all about that. Wow ABT. You've just taken me back. I remember when Warrior kissed Goldust and burned him with that cigar, but I had forgotten about Piper.

SaskatchewanChamp

12-17-2010, 02:37 PM

I honestly can't believe Punk is tied in this pole with Piper. Are you people kidding me?

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 02:58 PM

This thread right here is what the Better Wrestler series is all about, ladies and gentlemen! Two titans of the wrestling industry going head to head, and the only way this thing is going to end is going to be in controversy! You've got your Piper fans, and you've got your Punk fans, but the real winner here is the TPWW Universe!

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 02:59 PM

I have no idea why I posted that. I'm sorry.

Xero

12-17-2010, 03:00 PM

It's ok.

CSL

12-17-2010, 03:00 PM

I take it there are some gays waiting right until the end before voting because it's so close.

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 03:05 PM

I take it there are some gays waiting right until the end before voting because it's so close.

Yeah. I wish there were some way to make the number of votes private until the poll closed.

Ermaximus

12-17-2010, 03:19 PM

Yeah. I wish there were some way to make the number of votes private until the poll closed.

Why not make it that once a certain wrestler gets like 50 votes they automatically win or something? I mean sometimes we have close battles like this and other times we have matches that are insanely one sided as shit.

SlickyTrickyDamon

12-17-2010, 03:31 PM

I think somebody set up Punk to fail by putting him against the Hot Rod, but as the song says "I must not fail....I MUST NOT FAIL!!!'

SlickyTrickyDamon

12-17-2010, 03:32 PM

Motion denied? Alrighty then.

Impossible to verify. I'm qualified to answer and I voted for Punk just because I think the OP just put Piper in so Punk would lose. So, I voted for Punk because I think he did it out of spite or just wanted him to fail at the HOF round.

Ermaximus

12-17-2010, 03:40 PM

Impossible to verify. I'm qualified to answer and I voted for Punk just because I think the OP just put Piper in so Punk would lose. So, I voted for Punk because I think he did it out of spite or just wanted him to fail at the HOF round.

STD, just curious, but you do know how this works right? Supreme isn't just randomly creating these matches based on trying to screw one guy over at the end. He creates these match ups based on who hasn't been used in so many rounds. In this particular case, since it's a HOF round, Supreme took the biggest available name he had or could think of and matched him against Punk. Again the way it goes is, Newcomer vs Jobber, Newcomer vs Lower Midcarder, Newcomer vs Midcarder, Newcomer vs Main Eventer, and then the HOF round is Newcomer vs Legend. Would you rather a HOF round be between Punk/Piper or Punk/Kid Kash?

Juan

12-17-2010, 04:07 PM

You're out of your mind, bro. He's definitely going in, especially considering the fact that he's still willing to work with them today..

I meant the BW HOF.

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 04:14 PM

Ohhhhh, you're probably right there.

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 04:15 PM

Even still, I don't think that's a reason not to vote for somebody. It isn't about sending people to the Hall of Fame because you like them. It's about people 'earning' their way in by beating five others.

SlickyTrickyDamon

12-17-2010, 04:16 PM

STD, just curious, but you do know how this works right? Supreme isn't just randomly creating these matches based on trying to screw one guy over at the end. He creates these match ups based on who hasn't been used in so many rounds. In this particular case, since it's a HOF round, Supreme took the biggest available name he had or could think of and matched him against Punk. Again the way it goes is, Newcomer vs Jobber, Newcomer vs Lower Midcarder, Newcomer vs Midcarder, Newcomer vs Main Eventer, and then the HOF round is Newcomer vs Legend. Would you rather a HOF round be between Punk/Piper or Punk/Kid Kash?

This is the list of Punk's opponents in Better Wrestler in this current run.

Defeated DDP to take control of the polls.
Beat Terry Funk
Beat Kane
Beat Rob Van Dam.
Facing Piper.

Please enlighten me on which one of those is a newcomer or a mid-carder. Unless you mean Punk was the newcomer because he was new to the polls. Though none of these men are mid-carders and I don't think anybody would ever make the mistake to call them that. I'm pretty sure all of those people are either Legend Status or Main Event status.

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 04:22 PM

This is the list of Punk's opponents in Better Wrestler in this current run.

Defeated DDP to take control of the polls.
Beat Terry Funk
Beat Kane
Beat Rob Van Dam.
Facing Piper.

Please enlighten me on which one of those is a newcomer or a mid-carder. Unless you mean Punk was the newcomer because he was new to the polls. Though none of these men are mid-carders and I don't think anybody would ever make the mistake to call them that. I'm pretty sure all of those people are either Legend Status or Main Event status.

If you think they're all legends or main eventers, why do you think that Piper is there to ruin Punk? Why couldn't any of those other guys stop him?

Also, once a wrestler is used in a poll, he can't be re-used for....what is it, 30 rounds or something?

SlickyTrickyDamon

12-17-2010, 04:26 PM

If you think they're all legends or main eventers, why do you think that Piper is there to ruin Punk? Why couldn't any of those other guys stop him?
?

Because they are both similar in terms of promo style and FTW attitude. I don't think it was a random choice. Is there something that says the Hall of Fame Round has to be against somebody with a similar attitude or wrestling style?

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 04:33 PM

No, but it makes for a good match up, ultimately. That's the real goal. What's the problem?

Ermaximus

12-17-2010, 04:35 PM

If you think they're all legends or main eventers, why do you think that Piper is there to ruin Punk? Why couldn't any of those other guys stop him?

Also, once a wrestler is used in a poll, he can't be re-used for....what is it, 30 rounds or something?

This is correct I believe. 30 rounds or so. I think the only exception was Owen Hart and that was because of a tie or something?

Juan

12-17-2010, 04:36 PM

It's 50 round ftr

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 04:37 PM

50 rounds was my first thought, but that seemed like too much.

Anybody Thrilla

12-17-2010, 04:37 PM

Let's just all count our lucky stars that it's not 12 Rounds.

VSG

12-17-2010, 04:39 PM

I really would have liked to vote for Punk, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. People can say Punk is better in-ring, but until I see a Punk match that's better than Piper's Intercontinental title match with Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 8, I'm voting Piper.

This, and the fact that Piper was consistently good for a loooooooong time. CM Punk will have opportunities, but I am voting Piper now.

VSG

12-17-2010, 04:43 PM

This is one close mother!

Rollermacka

12-17-2010, 05:22 PM

Skippord

12-17-2010, 08:34 PM

CM Punk

I like him better, and if any of you people judge me for it I will be so upset

St. Jimmy

12-17-2010, 10:03 PM

http://www.eyesteelfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/punk_full_003.jpg

Joesgonnakillyou

12-18-2010, 07:16 AM

Man this round is awesome, it's so close!

I voted Piper.

Anybody Thrilla

12-18-2010, 11:39 AM

How has no one judged Skippord yet?

SlickyTrickyDamon

12-18-2010, 05:39 PM

How has no one judged Skippord yet?

That's sort of a judgement itself. Saying how you are surprised that he hasn't been judged yet.

MoFo

12-18-2010, 07:39 PM

Haha, remember the Hollywood Backlot Brawl from Wrestlemania XII between Piper and Goldust? That shit was silly, but awesome.

Enjoyed it more than the boring Bret/Michaels match tbh.

NoRoolz

12-18-2010, 09:08 PM

38-37 Punk.

Very surprised Piper's challenging so closely in this tie, not that he shouldn't be but because younger posters won't have seen much of Piper and will more likely vote Punk. Myself included. Feel it's slightly unfair but Punk's just brilliant.

Skippord

12-18-2010, 11:00 PM

How has no one judged Skippord yet?
everyone knows how fragile I am :'(

Xero

12-19-2010, 10:41 AM

PUNK WINS! PUNK WINS! PUNK WIIIIIINS!

SlickyTrickyDamon

12-19-2010, 10:51 AM

St. Jimmy

12-19-2010, 11:55 PM

There is justice in the world

Anybody Thrilla

12-20-2010, 07:51 PM

That's sort of a judgement itself. Saying how you are surprised that he hasn't been judged yet.

You are dense. And yes, that is a judgment from me to you.