Kaval released

[Evil Vito]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/kavalreleased

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of WWE SmackDown Superstar Kaval (Brandon Silvestry) as of today, December 23, 2010. We wish Kaval the best in all future endeavors.

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<font color=goldenrod>What a fucking waste.</font>

[Cool King]

Merry Christmas, Kaval!

[screech]

What the fucking fuck?

[whiteyford]

Its a work:shifty: :nono::'(

[Shadow]

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Cool King]

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[Brigstocke]

I give up!

[Fox]

But why, God?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>They are basically admitting that NXT was completely useless.

Admittedly I saw this coming when he used his guaranteed title match on the IC Title. Why the fuck would anybody logically do that?</font>

[Xero]

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[The Naitch]

LOL

[Ermaximus]

Time to check the Pink Slip Pool.

[The Naitch]

does he go back to developmental (FCW) or is he gone from everything WWE?

[Cool King]

So while under WWE Contract, he only won four matches. Three on NXT and one on SmackDown.

Though I'm sure according to the WWE it was only one match as he wasn't an official "WWE Superstar" on NXT and all that.

[screech]

does he go back to developmental (FCW) or is he gone from everything WWE?

Done.

[Ermaximus]

Why don't they just fire everyone on Smackdown except Kane, Taker, Edge, Rey, Del Rio, Cody, Big Show, Kofi, and McIntyre then? At the rate they keep letting SD guys go, that's all they'll have left.

[The Naitch]

The kaval (Turkish pronunciation: [kaˈvaɫ]) is a chromatic end-blown flute traditionally played throughout Azerbaijan, Turkey, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Albania, Kosova, southern Serbia (кавал), northern Greece (καβάλι or dzhamara), Romania (caval), and Armenia (Բլուլ or blul). The kaval is primarily associated with mountain shepherds throughout the Balkans and Anatolia.

[The Naitch]

Done.

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[The Naitch]

I wonder if the doors are still open for him in the future, you know.. they just don't have anything for him right now. Shawn Michaels was released in the beginning of his WWE career (because of a bad first impression among the boys). He was back a year later

I wonder if he pissed off Orton. :shifty:

Looks like TNA will pick him up soon

[Ermaximus]

I wonder if the doors are still open for him in the future, you know.. they just don't have anything for him right now.

I wonder if he pissed off Orton. :shifty:

Looks like TNA will pick him up soon

I dunno. I see him going back to ROH before TNA.

[Cool King]

For all we know, he could have asked for his release.

Maybe he felt he wasn't being used properly or something? :-\

[Nightwing]

Wow. Lame.

[The Naitch]

In 2000, he began making several appearances in the World Wrestling Federation on their programs Metal and Jakked, where he competed against the likes of Raven, Crash Holly, Christian and Essa Ríos.

[Ermaximus]

Yeah, they jobbed him out back then too Naitch. Only then he was called Low Ki.

[The Naitch]

For all we know, he could have asked for his release.

Maybe he felt he wasn't being used properly or something? :-\

it was still too early to be complaining about not being where you wanna be. I can see someone asking for a release if they were doing nothing for 5 years, but he was not even a year into it. You'd think he'd be a little more patient

[BollywoodSingh]

Big mistake. Kaval's unique ring style alone would have got him over for sure.

[The Naitch]

Initially, he wrestled under the name Kawal – "soldier" in the Tagalog language (Philippines) – in FCW, WWE's development territory, but later changed it to Kaval.

[Savio]

Wow, they guy is a really fuckin goooood wrestler.....Dunno why they would keep Daniel Young and not him.

[Corndad]

Wonder if this will get as long as the Daniel Bryan Release thread lol

Seriously, I don't think they really ever gave him a chance to get over. I can only see if something happened backstage he got released for but I can't believe they pushed him to actually win NXT only to release him. Shame.

[Ermaximus]

Wonder if this will get as long as the Daniel Bryan Release thread lol

Seriously, I don't think they really ever gave him a chance to get over. I can only see if something happened backstage he got released for but I can't believe they pushed him to actually win NXT only to release him. Shame.

^THIS^

[Savio]

Oh well he will be a TNA world champ within a month.

[Fignuts]

I don't understand this at all. He was pretty damn over, and got big pops despite his losing streak.

[Xero]

Either something happened or he asked for his release and got it. I never really thought he'd go anywhere in WWE, honestly. He's a ridiculously stiff wrestler and way too small. Two things working greatly against him.

He'll do better on the indies.

[Swiss Ultimate]

:wtf:
A-Ri gets a DUI, Kaval gets a "future endeavor" on Christmas.

[screech]

Yeah, they jobbed him out back then too Naitch. Only then he was called Low Ki.

Only they spelled it Loki. Which is almost loko which would be short for Four Loko. Which he very well could have been drinking before his matches, which very well could have led to his release. It all makes sense now!


I am such a smart guy.

[GD]

This is sad.

[djoutcry]

Wow, they guy is a really fuckin goooood wrestler.....Dunno why they would keep Daniel Young and not him.

who's Daniel Young?

Darren Young? Bryan Danielson?


Guru Dave, are you really Baasha?

[Jura]

Maybe it's a swerve where WWE fucks with you guys by giving a wrestler you guys like a big chance then releases them, then brings them back after a while.

[The Naitch]

Wow, they guy is a really fuckin goooood wrestler......

that doesn't guarantee employment in WWE

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Holy fuckballs.

[Xero]

From PWInsider:

We had heard rumors of this the last 48 hours, but World Wrestling Entertainment publicly confirmed that NXT Season 2 winner Kaval, known as Low Ki on the independents and Senshi in TNA, has been released.

The word making the rounds within WWE is that the company didn't have any plans for him and it was an amicable parting of the ways, as opposed to the company dropping the former ROH and TNA X-Division champion. It is believed he has the typical 90 day no-compete that would prevent him from working for any nationally televised companies.

Kaval was signed in 2008 by World Wrestling Entertainment and spent a good amount of time in WWE developmental, despite being well known for his high level of performance in the ring. A number of injuries hampered him during his time in Florida Championship Wrestling before he was brought up to NXT.

[The Naitch]

Maybe it's a swerve where WWE fucks with you guys by giving a wrestler you guys like a big chance then releases them, then brings them back after a while.

doubt it. Unless Kaval is at The Waffle House bitching and moaning on twitter as we speak

[Xero]

Another case of the writing team not doing their job.

[Afterlife]

From PWInsider:

We had heard rumors of this the last 48 hours, but World Wrestling Entertainment publicly confirmed that NXT Season 2 winner Kaval, known as Low Ki on the independents and Senshi in TNA, has been released.

The word making the rounds within WWE is that the company didn't have any plans for him and it was an amicable parting of the ways, as opposed to the company dropping the former ROH and TNA X-Division champion. It is believed he has the typical 90 day no-compete that would prevent him from working for any nationally televised companies.

Kaval was signed in 2008 by World Wrestling Entertainment and spent a good amount of time in WWE developmental, despite being well known for his high level of performance in the ring. A number of injuries hampered him during his time in Florida Championship Wrestling before he was brought up to NXT.

I'm gonna go ahead and call "Bullshit" on the notion that they didn't have plans for the guy they pushed to win NXT. Call me crazy.

[Xero]

Did they really do anything post-NXT with him, though?

NXT doesn't matter. It's Superstars with a storyline.

[Afterlife]

I don't care. They knew he was going to win, and they didn't prepare anything for it?

Bullshit.

[Xero]

You don't believe WWE wouldn't do that?

lol oh you.

Maybe the guy behind him was fired during the gutting of the writing team. In fact, this is what I'm going with.

[Afterlife]

You don't believe WWE wouldn't do that?

lol oh you.

Maybe the guy behind him was fired during the gutting of the writing team. In fact, this is what I'm going with.

That is believable.

[Cool King]

STD just neg repped me for posting Kane's laugh.

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[Cool King]

It has so many uses!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

You we're laughing at Kaval.

[Afterlife]

*were

[Cool King]

You we're laughing at Kaval.

OH NOES!

Actually, I wasn't, Shadow's post reminded me of Kane's laugh.

[Emperor Smeat]

From PWInsider:

We had heard rumors of this the last 48 hours, but World Wrestling Entertainment publicly confirmed that NXT Season 2 winner Kaval, known as Low Ki on the independents and Senshi in TNA, has been released.

The word making the rounds within WWE is that the company didn't have any plans for him and it was an amicable parting of the ways, as opposed to the company dropping the former ROH and TNA X-Division champion. It is believed he has the typical 90 day no-compete that would prevent him from working for any nationally televised companies.

Kaval was signed in 2008 by World Wrestling Entertainment and spent a good amount of time in WWE developmental, despite being well known for his high level of performance in the ring. A number of injuries hampered him during his time in Florida Championship Wrestling before he was brought up to NXT.

:nono:

They had weeks of time to think of something both short term and long term while he was on NXT or anyone else during season 2 just in case they ended up winning as well.

Nexus might end up as the best idea from NXT since it at least guaranteed the rookies would be used for a while except those who got hurt or kicked out (Bryan being an exception since he was guaranteed to come back after being fired).

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That is believable.

Blame MVP. They looked like they could have been a good face tag team in the WWE. They had matching clothes and they worked on some sort of symbol during MVPs pyro fire. Then they jobbed quickly to DrewMac and Dolph Ziggler though.

I think MVP/Kaval was where they were going with both of the superstars. MVP was like 'fuck this I'm outtie' so Kaval was left with no direction. They hot shotted the NXT Season 2 title shot for the IC Championship about 48 television hours away from the PPV, so no hype at all.

I should have saw this coming...

note: I positive repped coolking to even the rep out after he explained the laugh.

[Cool King]

We shouldn't blame MVP because he wanted to better himself.

Also, Tag Team's aren't just about matching attire and pyro symbols. Kaval & MVP were just sortof thrown together. If they were to become a tag team, it wouldn't have been anything that special. They probably would have lasted around the same ammount of time as McIntyre & Rhodes or maybe less, but without Tag Team <s>Gold</s> Bronze.

[Cool King]

note: I positive repped coolking to even the rep out after he explained the laugh.

Thanks.

[The Naitch]

I agree, MVP is to blame

[Cool King]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Y7_LreuSY3Y/0.jpg

[Afterlife]

Blame MVP. They looked like they could have been a good face tag team in the WWE. They had matching clothes and they worked on some sort of symbol during MVPs pyro fire. Then they jobbed quickly to DrewMac and Dolph Ziggler though.

I think MVP/Kaval was where they were going with both of the superstars. MVP was like 'fuck this I'm outtie' so Kaval was left with no direction. They hot shotted the NXT Season 2 title shot for the IC Championship about 48 television hours away from the PPV, so no hype at all.

I should have saw this coming...

note: I positive repped coolking to even the rep out after he explained the laugh.

I will not blame MVP for the creative team not doing their job.

[Phenomenal 1]

Its a known FACT that the under team of writers are the one that are responsible for the development of younger talent and their creative angles, and that Michael Hayes is the head writer for Smackdown and that final creative decisions go to and are executed as Hayes' behalf. Hayes is known for pushing currently the more established talent such as Kane, Mysterio, Big Show, and Edge. So for creative to say they didn't have for him i am not suprised. Kaval doesn't match up in Hayes' eyes as someone to be a legit contender in the WHC or IC title scene, than what is there to do with him other than JOB him out and bury talent. Hayes is very select and very picky when it comes to who he puts over and who he doesn't put over. Other than in-ring talent, which Kaval has amicable amounts of, he lacked character depth and the ability to work on the stick. Wrestling ability will only take you so far in the "E". Sure it may have gotten him credibility in ROH and TNA where the emphasis on wrestling ability and talent far outweighs character development but in WWE he fell short. Maybe he needs to re-think his mic and character work and who knows down the road the door might be open for him but honestly I don't ever see guys like Danielson and him having long term appeal ability to the WWE given their current direction and creative team.

[BizarroKing]

I! AM! PISSED! OFF! TPWW, start your rioting! TO TITAN TOWERS!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I'm too tired from shopping to travel 3 hours and they all left at 5pm.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I will not blame MVP for the creative team not doing their job.

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Come on look at this and tell me they didn't have anything for him before MVP decided to quit?

[Mr. Pierre]

Well this sucks. His offense seemed to be over with the audience, and he always put on fun matches. He'll probably be back though.

[Wishbone]

I knew something was up when he jobbed to Drew the other night, it just didn't feel right. This is a real shame WWE seriously needs to get their shit together it's not a wres.... er 'superstar's' fault that you can't figure out how to properly use him. Hell if anyone needed to be fired it's creative.... *sigh* whatever my complaining means nothing WWE will do whatever the hell they want as long as people continue to watch and no amount of bitching or crying will change that.

[RiX1024]

Fuck me, that's mental man, oh well nice crimbo present there for Low Ki.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Its a known FACT that the under team of writers are the one that are responsible for the development of younger talent and their creative angles, and that Michael Hayes is the head writer for Smackdown and that final creative decisions go to and are executed as Hayes' behalf. Hayes is known for pushing currently the more established talent such as Kane, Mysterio, Big Show, and Edge. So for creative to say they didn't have for him i am not suprised. Kaval doesn't match up in Hayes' eyes as someone to be a legit contender in the WHC or IC title scene, than what is there to do with him other than JOB him out and bury talent. Hayes is very select and very picky when it comes to who he puts over and who he doesn't put over. Other than in-ring talent, which Kaval has amicable amounts of, he lacked character depth and the ability to work on the stick. Wrestling ability will only take you so far in the "E". Sure it may have gotten him credibility in ROH and TNA where the emphasis on wrestling ability and talent far outweighs character development but in WWE he fell short. Maybe he needs to re-think his mic and character work and who knows down the road the door might be open for him but honestly I don't ever see guys like Danielson and him having long term appeal ability to the WWE given their current direction and creative team.

Which is dumb because he was over.

[D Mac]

Guess I can delete the Kaval CAW on Smackdown vs Raw 2011.

[BizarroKing]

Here, this better sums up my thoughts on the situation
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[What Would Kevin Do?]

What the fucking fuck?



Another case of the writing team not doing their job.

Yeah, I seriously don't fucking get their writing team if this is true. The crowd was definitely into Kaval. If you have someone the crowd is really into, you find something to do with them, period. No, instead, they'll find something for someone the fans don't give a shit about, and won't buy into.

Seriously, WWE wants to make stars, but they seem to want to do it by closing there eyes and throwing random shit at a wall to see what sticks. I'm not saying the fans are always right, but if the fans are getting behind a wrestler,, for whatever reason, be it the in ring style, the mic skills, whatever, it's probably a good idea to roll with it.

[Lock Jaw]

It's a work! This is the beginning of the GENESIS of Kaval! Gonna debut with the rest of the unused NXT Season 2 rookies and tear stuff up on Smackdown until they are given jobs!

[Tazz Dan]

What the fucking fuck?

I actually said those exact same words.

[RiX1024]

Aye, I hope it's a work because he's one of the best wrestlers there.

[Savio]

lol that would be funny if they played the EXACT same storyline.

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The writing team didn't use him right because Michael Hayes is racist.

[Nicky Fives]

ricockulous...... I imagine it will be back to ROH for him......

[RKO'em]

wow shit, my mouth dropped legit

[LuigiD]

No reason to watch Smackdown now. I was mostly watching it to see Kaval.
Fuck you WWE. Fuck you and your shit booking and writers.
To think i actually thought they were doing "okay" the last few weeks. Serves me right for being so naive.

[screech]

Can't bring myself to believe that they had no plan for the guy pushed to win NXT. Gotta agree with Xero (and subsequently, Afterlife) that someone who was behind him on creative got canned.

He was over with the fans, so it would have at least been worth their while to give him a chance to really shine.

[ooTin]

wow just wow

[Xero]

From Joey's Twitter:

JoeyStyles If TNA doesn't immediately sign Kaval (who won NXT based on wwe.com fans and wrestlers votes), I've no idea what they look for in wrestlers.

[XL]

BULLSHIT!

That pretty much sums up my feelings here. But to elaborate...

I wouldn't say he was massively over. The crowd reaction for his entrance was always pretty quite, but they did get behind his inring work. Which is great, right?

IMO his in-ring work got him over in spite of the writing team. The guy was booked to lose most of his matches, he barely got mic time, had no storyline put behind him and then cashed in his NXT Winner's title shot on a midcar title. The only way that makes sense is if there is a personal issue between him and the champ, which the writing team never bothered to do.

This shit really pisses me off. The guy was different, that is a good thing.

[XL]

And as for the 90 Day No Compete...the WWE should have no right to impose that if they release a guy cos they "have nothing for him".

[Vastardikai]

It's ridiculous to think that WWE had no idea what to do with Kaval.

Here's me pulling something out of my ass...

ADR introduces a masked driver for his vehicle. Alberto Del Rio's rivals suddenly start getting laid out left and right. In a confrontation with say, the Big Show, the driver viciously attacks Show with kicks, chopping him down to set up the arm bar from ADR.

Yes, I pulled much of that from the Green Hornet. That's a movie that's coming out and it'll be current enough for fans to see the masked man and think "Kato." It's also an old tv show, so Vince will actually know who the hell the guy is supposed to be.

[The Naitch]

The writing team didn't use him right because Michael Hayes is racist.

I was just about to post that before I saw your post

Gonna mention it a 2nd time: Michael Hayes is a racist.

[Xero]

And as for the 90 Day No Compete...the WWE should have no right to impose that if they release a guy cos they "have nothing for him".
He gets paid to sit home and do nothing...

[Savio]

Some people don't like doing nothing.

[Swiss Ultimate]

It's ridiculous to think that WWE had no idea what to do with Kaval.

Here's me pulling something out of my ass...

ADR introduces a masked driver for his vehicle. Alberto Del Rio's rivals suddenly start getting laid out left and right. In a confrontation with say, the Big Show, the driver viciously attacks Show with kicks, chopping him down to set up the arm bar from ADR.

Yes, I pulled much of that from the Green Hornet. That's a movie that's coming out and it'll be current enough for fans to see the masked man and think "Kato." It's also an old tv show, so Vince will actually know who the hell the guy is supposed to be.

Let's go even more generic. Kaval turns heel after having several disappointing losses on TV. Attacks Rey Mysterio in the locker room and is suspended for a week. When Rey recovers he faces him in a match in which ADR comes out and reveals he ordered the attack.

[SOCCER LEGS]

you guys realized he gave ziggler a concussion with a stiff kick to the head right?

[Swiss Ultimate]

you guys realized he gave ziggler a concussion with a stiff kick to the head right?

Link?

[SOCCER LEGS]

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2010/1210/534590/

[The Naitch]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/PepsiMan34/FatGothKid.jpg

[CSL]

Not read through the thread so I don't know if a reason was 'announced' but I'd have guessed he asked for his release. In a really deep voice.

[Xero]

It was mutual because they didn't have anything for him.

[Xero]

Also:

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[Next Big Thing]

Evan Bourne must be recovering from injury quicker than expected so they won't need Kaval anymore since the company's star jobber will be back just in time for the next Superstars taping.

[Next Big Thing]

If they would have kept him with Laycool and had Laycool gradually turn him heel I think he would have worked.

[James Steele]

Shocking. I'm sure more rumors will come out in the next few weeks. Hopefully, Kaval won't be a dumbass and bash WWE and completely ruin any chances at a return.

[dronepool]

Fucking lame!!!

[DLVH84]

I know Low Ki will definitely return to ROH and NJPW.

[Aguakate]

Now we know why he was squashed on Tuesday.

[Graveler]

Link?

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[Aguakate]

Goodbye Kaval

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[The Naitch]

you know what, fuck Kaval. He can go work stiff in the unemployment line

[CSL]

But it doesn't look real if you don't kick somebody as hard as you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CSL]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Juan]

I really hate this place sometimes.

[Aguakate]

I really hate this place sometimes.

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[Sixx]

He got a Santa's boot for Christmas.

[Droford]

I dont think they really wanted Kaval to win NXT...

maybe the voting stuff is/was legit.

[VSG]

http://www.worldwrestlinginsanity.com/am2/uploads/1/ronsimmons3.jpg

[RGWhat316]

Yeah this is a bunch of crap as usual. It seems the people that keep me tuning in keep either getting fired or leaving on their own for the most part. And it does seem they were never high on Kaval to begin with. Having Laycool be his pros, bashing him with the internet talk, and then always having him job. It sucks the more talented wrestlers do get shafted.

[James Steele]

Then, go watch ROH or TNA and jackoff to Hardcore Country and 20 backflip planchacanrana clothelinebombs.

[DLVH84]

Yeah this is a bunch of crap as usual. It seems the people that keep me tuning in keep either getting fired or leaving on their own for the most part. And it does seem they were never high on Kaval to begin with. Having Laycool be his pros, bashing him with the internet talk, and then always having him job. It sucks the more talented wrestlers do get shafted.

I agree with you, RGWhat. The more talented wrestlers do get shafted, which really disappoints me. And the "Boring" chants during matches of those with great technical ability, are totally unnecessary.

[SOCCER LEGS]

Yeah this is a bunch of crap as usual. It seems the people that keep me tuning in keep either getting fired or leaving on their own for the most part. And it does seem they were never high on Kaval to begin with. Having Laycool be his pros, bashing him with the internet talk, and then always having him job. It sucks the more talented wrestlers do get shafted.

if he's as "talented" as you say he wouldn't have given one of the WWE's current favorite performers a concussion in his first PPV match...

[BizarroKing]

if he's as "talented" as you say he wouldn't have given one of the WWE's current favorite performers a concussion in his first PPV match...

Hell accidents happen. Besides, in all honesty that's something you need to expect in a physical sport like this.

[SOCCER LEGS]

accidents do indeed happen, but kicking a guy hard enough to give him a concussion isn't an accident, it's just sloppy and careless, which the WWE has no tolerance for.


just ask mr. kennedy.

[DLVH84]

accidents do indeed happen, but kicking a guy hard enough to give him a concussion isn't an accident, it's just sloppy and careless, which the WWE has no tolerance for.


just ask mr. kennedy.

That's a good point.

[Swiss Ultimate]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

,

[Swiss Ultimate]

Did Tajiri ever give anyone a concussion???

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[Swiss Ultimate]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Tajiri busted guys open with kicks from time to time. So did Rob Van Dam. I don't think that was the reason he was released. Kaval seems to be bored with the WWE already, and they have nothing lined up for him. Yeah, the latter is bullshit, but I do believe that this is partially Kaval's prerogative, too.

It sucks, and I wish he was staying around, but the guy was actually getting some momentum behind him on SmackDown!. He and Kofi Kingston got to go over Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger as a tag team. He needed a storyline, but he would have gone places in time.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

if he's as "talented" as you say he wouldn't have given one of the WWE's current favorite performers a concussion in his first PPV match...

Another thing to consider is the fact that Dolph was out of position. The move he does is normally done to the guy in the corner, and Dolph was several inches from the corner. Basically, since he wasn't where he should have been, he may have taken the impact a lot harder. I don't know what it is, but he seems to have some problems with positioning. Like in his match with Daniel Bryan where he was way to close to the ring when DB went for the suicide dive.

[Cool King]

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[James Steele]

Why are most of the related videos to that about cheese souffle?

[glanville6]

I get why people would have thought Daniel Bryan's release was a work, but why might anyone think that this release is a work?

[James Steele]

http://www.ihasafunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/funny-cat-caption.jpg

[Shadow]

So what the fuck's up with the neg rep there STD? Got an issue? Get the fuck off my message board pussy.

[The Naitch]

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[Sixx]

I wonder if he chose a name which would have STD as the acronym intentionally.

[The Naitch]

I wonder if you chose Sixx as your username because you either like X-Pac or Nicky Sixx

[Sixx]

Nikki Sixx*

Take a wild guess.

[Sixx]

I was also considering Cunt Smasher as a homage to this guy:

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[The Naitch]

Raphael would be proud

[Jeritron]

Sucks, but I don't think it's the end of the world. He could be back eventually. I feel like they probably had plans to push him on Smackdown, but focused on Del Rio and Ziggler.
Seems like he was being primed for an IC title program of some kind, but it just never happened. It's as though Ziggler just caught fire this fall, and they put their eggs in that basket.
Perhaps they would have used him down the line, but in all honesty I didn't think he was going to be as successful in the WWE as Daniel Bryan or Barrett. Midcard would have been nice a la Bourne.

[Innovator]

This is lamer than Naitch's dick after a coke binge.

[Schlomey]

random newz:

-- Following his release from WWE earlier today, Low Ki indicated on Twitter that Kaval is 'no more'.

"Regardless of the current situation, I only move forward," he wrote. "Kaval is no more. The return of "The World Warrior" has begun."

He also changed his Twitter handle to OneWorldWarrior.


-- Charlie Haas took to Twitter to comment on Kaval's release from WWE today, calling the organization 'classless'.

He wrote: "Sorry to hear the news of Kaval being released. Especially before Christmas. What a gift. Shows how classless WWE is. Low Ki ur better off ... Anyways. Kaval is one of the best talents in the world. No doubt he will prevail else where. Much respect and love for him."


- Below are various Twitter reactions to Kaval's release from World Wrestling Entertainment today:

John Cena: "CeNation. Behind as always. I guess wwe has released kaval. I have no clue why but this close to holiday would probally mean....... That it is pretty serious business."

Jim Ross: "Kaval's release from WWE surprised me. Don't know the circumstances. Kaval won't have any issues finding work. I wish him my best."

Jeremy Borash: "Very grateful to be working for a company that gives out bonus checks at Christmas instead of walking papers."

Shelton Benjamin: "I guess my question is would you rather see him as a jobber for Wwe or the Indy phenom that he had been."

Gregory Helms: "U gotta be f***ing kidding!!!"



Very very very sad to see him go, personally. However, it was obvious and apparent that WWE didn't know how to handle this guy. Also, he is too stiff for WWE (as others have said)....Some of the best wrestlers in the world aren't meant to be television superstars as they just don't fit the cookie cutter mold of the WWE. I wish Low Ki the best in all future endeavors and I actually mean it.

[Fox]

I like how all the shit is coming up about him working too stiff even though no one has reported that Ziggler's injury had ANYTHING to do with Kaval getting released. Everyone, including professionals from his own industry, recogize Kaval as an incredible worker and someone who will have no problem getting more work somewhere else where he will be treated better and possibly make more money.

WWE is stupid.

[Aguakate]

For him to get released the day before Christmas Eve, SOMETHING must have happened that we don't know about.

[Schlomey]

I don't blame Kaval for wanting to leave and I don't completely blame the WWE for wanting to part ways. Some incredible indie workers (such as Daniel Bryan) can convert their styles just enough to fit within the mold of a WWE television superstar...and some times guys can't (or won't)

I honestly see this as a case of HE WOULDN'T since the feeling, at least to me, is that it was a mutual parting. The WWE can't force a worker to change their style they have used for a decade but it's also a good reason to let someone go. If a worker refuses or JUST CAN'T get the WWE style down how can people blame a company that is in the business of selling a product?

I blame them for not giving it more time but I also can't fault them for letting someone go that just wasn't "getting it"...


He will obviously have no trouble finding work and will be able to continue the warriors way that he obviously wants. He set a path for himself and not even the super power WWE could change it.

[Xero]

I like how all the shit is coming up about him working too stiff even though no one has reported that Ziggler's injury had ANYTHING to do with Kaval getting released. Everyone, including professionals from his own industry, recogize Kaval as an incredible worker and someone who will have no problem getting more work somewhere else where he will be treated better and possibly make more money.

WWE is stupid.

I believe he's a good worker and will prosper elsewhere, he just doesn't fit in with WWE at all. Size and stiffness are absolutely factors that he wouldn't have gone anywhere if he had stayed. Size being the biggest (pun intended) thing. Not trying to bring him down, it's more about being realistic about how WWE looks at things.

[Schlomey]

that's basically what I said in less words. :D

[Xero]

I don't blame Kaval for wanting to leave and I don't completely blame the WWE for wanting to part ways. Some incredible indie workers (such as Daniel Bryan) can convert their styles just enough to fit within the mold of a WWE television superstar...and some times guys can't (or won't)

Danielson is an odd one to look at, honestly. His style is completely out of the norm for WWE. He has absolutely toned it down A LOT, but there are still things where I watch him and think "holy shit" at his stiff kicks or the way he bumps.

I think there's A LOT more money to be made with Danielson than Kaval, though. Even though he's small, he can adapt to anything and is an absolute asset to the roster as a whole. Kaval doesn't have that utility. Not a lot do or even did.

[Schlomey]

Agreed. Danielson, you couldn't tell by just looking at him, has "it" where Kaval/Low Ki can create "it" in the ring but it is not something he just possesses.

[Juan]

According to sources close to former WWE superstar Kaval, he was the one who asked to be released. He was not fired, as some readers originally assumed.

From what we've heard, Kaval was said to be "miserable" working the WWE schedule and did not see his career going anywhere. Company officials tried to talk him into staying, but were anable to do so.

Joey Styles wrote on Twitter, "If TNA doesn't immediately sign Kaval (who won NXT based on wwe.com fans and wrestlers votes), I've no idea what they look for in wrestlers." As was the case with the recent releases of Matt Hardy and MVP, top WWE officials are not worried about Kaval going to TNA - since stars like Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Rob Van Dam, Jeff Hardy and Mr. Anderson have done very little to help TNA's ratings.

Kaval's first post-WWE match has already been announced. He will be back wrestling as "Low Ki" when he wrestles former TNA X-Division champion The Amazing Red on January 28th for Impact Championship Wrestling in Queens, New York.

[Swiss Ultimate]

So...was this just a waste of time???

[Cool King]

For all we know, he could have asked for his release.

Maybe he felt he wasn't being used properly or something? :-\

Awesome, I was right. :D

You were all WRONG!

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[Cool King]

:shifty:

[Mooияakeя™]

2 weeks of good booking all year ended like a fortnight ago. Business as usual for defo for the bobs @ WWE

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Not that the brand split means fuck all from December through WrestleMania, but the Raw male roster is nearly double that of SmackDown at this point. Seems kinda weird.</font>

[ooTin]

I like ladies

[The Naitch]

Kaval seems to be bored with the WWE already.

how exactly did he show that he was bored? Did I miss something here? He seemed to show enthusiasm on Smackdown! Was he acting funny at a PPV, because I don't watch those

Out of his whole run in WWE, the best thing he had going for himself was his alignment with Lay Cool. It made him look like he belonged (plus it helped that McCool is Undertakers' wife, so he would've gotten the rub)

Kaval's first post-WWE match has already been announced. He will be back wrestling as "Low Ki" when he wrestles former TNA X-Division champion The Amazing Red on January 28th for Impact Championship Wrestling in Queens, New York.

He should've atleast waited for a feud with Mysterio. It sure beats wrestling Mysterio-Lite.

Seems like the WWE schedule is too much for some guys. Dixie Carter made a deal with Kurt Angle where he can take a day off whenever he's not feeling good.

[Jakob Synn]

how exactly did he show that he was bored? Did I miss something here? He seemed to show enthusiasm on Smackdown! Was he acting funny at a PPV, because I don't watch those

Out of his whole run in WWE, the best thing he had going for himself was his alignment with Lay Cool. It made him look like he belonged (plus it helped that McCool is Undertakers' wife, so he would've gotten the rub)

Onscreen he had to look interested, and I believe if he stayed with Laycool and cost them the belts in the end would have been a more interesting storyline because then Laycool could have recruited someone to get revenge on Kaval and would have distanced themselves from the Divas title allowing another diva to wreslte for the title without interference.

Though in the end, I never really liked Kaval.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

So what the fuck's up with the neg rep there STD? Got an issue? Get the fuck off my message board pussy.

I though laughing at somebody leaving WWE was worth a neg rep. Don't you?

[FourFifty]

Let's see how we can say this in as few words as possible.

I don't care.


Well, that was fairly succinct. However, if I may elaborate, Kaval/Low Ki is very talented, and has a style that we do not see that often in the mainstream of this industry. However, sometimes unique is not how Vince McMahon (who is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most influential person in the industry) does business. He has shown a track record of pushing bigger men, and more of the same. As a fan of WWE first and foremost and a fan of the industry secondly I am not shocked that WWE let him go. It's a shame because he has a world of talent, but his world doesn't sync up with the proverbial WWE Universe. Good luck to that talented young man, and I hope one day he can see the same (non metaphorical) heights as Rob Van Dam.

[Juan]

I though laughing at somebody leaving WWE was worth a neg rep. Don't you?

You serious, bro?

[Gertner]

Yet another vanilla ROH spot monkey who can't cut it in the big leagues.

[MoFo]

Why is everyone so disappointed in this?

Its not like he was doing anything worthwhile in WWE anyway....

[Grablot]

Sometime I wonder how WWE is still in business after making the worst decisions one after the other. It seems WWE always tries to screw up yet they are still #1 becayse others screw up way more. Kaval is one of the most talented people in the world and YES before u come in hear crying, I know that Kaval wanted to be released but lets ask why and the reason why he wanted to be released was because is WWE couldnt come up with anything for him and were treating him like garbage and Kaval knows he is one of the greatest so why stick around a place that treats you like garbage imo the only reason WWE is pushing CM Punk right now is because he doesnt do drugs and because Jeff Hardy screwed up that really made WWE push CM Punk because other wise they would have probably had no ideas for him too and he wouldve left so now WWE has just let go off one of the best talents they ever had and the funny thing is from NXT, they kept garbage like Alex Riley who lets face it is nothing in terms of wrestling OR character and they fired Kaval who is good on the mic and amazing in the ring.

The only way WWE can fix this in my eyes is to do a Daniel Bryan and swerve us by hiring Kaval back but I doubt it this time because WWE arent smart enough to do it. I still wonder how WWE keeps up as number one in the business by making bad decisions every time.

What do u think?

[ooTin]

I think that you should have posted your thoughts in one of the 3 other KaVaL threads :nono:

[Fignuts]

Your precious Kaval left of his own accord.

[Grablot]

I think that you should have posted your thoughts in one of the 3 other KaVaL threads :nono:

I didnt see them my bad


Kaval left of his own accord.


Pay attention he saw he was treated like garabage and thats the fault of WWE he left!

[ooTin]

Pay attention he saw he was treated like garabage and thats the fault of WWE he left![/QUOTE]

WWE did not treat him like GARBAGE... he has to work his way up the ladder just like everyone else... except Kane, Big Show, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, but thats not my point... the point is he was not happy so he left. WWE had no use for him. Yes he is amazing at what he does but he is just not WWE material...yet.

[CSL]

Fucking Fignuts never paying attention.

[Swiss Ultimate]

He won the NXT contest and was allowed to kick Ziggler in the head on PPV.

How is that garbage??

Again, your thread title implies he was fired, he was clearly not.

[ooTin]

Fucking Fignuts never paying attention.

Fucking Noobs..... see I can say that cuz im a level 2 Noob:yes:

[Londoner]

Pay attention he saw he was treated like garabage and thats the fault of WWE he left!

WWE did not treat him like GARBAGE... he has to work his way up the ladder just like everyone else... except Kane, Big Show, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, but thats not my point... the point is he was not happy so he left. WWE had no use for him. Yes he is amazing at what he does but he is just not WWE material...yet.[/QUOTE]

tbh i thought he was wwe material, but the message i'm getting so far is kaval doesn't have the patience to realise it yet.

edit: something fucked up on that quote there.

[Grablot]

He won the NXT contest and was allowed to kick Ziggler in the head on PPV.

How is that garbage??

Again, your thread title implies he was fired, he was clearly not.

He won NXT and got a title shot at the IC title instead of a world title?

Come on thats WWE saying "He guys this guy isnt good enough he sucks so he fights for IC title when he CAN go for the big one"

Also WWE didnt give him a decent story line at all.

[Londoner]

He won NXT and got a title shot at the IC title instead of a world title?

Come on thats WWE saying "He guys this guy isnt good enough he sucks so he fights for IC title when he CAN go for the big one"

Also WWE didnt give him a decent story line at all.

oh shut up.

[Swiss Ultimate]

If he didn't like the storylines he was in he should have taken an active role in his career and made suggestions.

The Miz was treated a hundred times worse than Kaval and he managed to tough it out and succeed. Your point is nonsense.

[Grablot]

If he didn't like the storylines he was in he should have taken an active role in his career and made suggestions.

The Miz was treated a hundred times worse than Kaval and he managed to tough it out and succeed. Your point is nonsense.

No he wasnt MIZ got his job because he was on mtv and WWE kept him around cuz he is a celbrity that wanted to wrestle akso Kaval has 1,000 more talent in his little pinky finger than Miz has in his whole body and why Kaval would make suggestions if WWE would only say no and go with their stupid stuff. The only wrestlers who can make suggestions are big time players like Triple HHH , Undertaker, Cena etc. The little guys have to follow the script.

[Swiss Ultimate]

lol, do you actually believe that????

[ooTin]

He won NXT and got a title shot at the IC title instead of a world title?

Come on thats WWE saying "He guys this guy isnt good enough he sucks so he fights for IC title when he CAN go for the big one"

Also WWE didnt give him a decent story line at all.

WWE clearly stated that they would give him a title shot... do you really think he would have a chance against kane or the Miz...fuck no.. Kane would kick him in the head and win... Miz would out smart his dumb ass and win... He had a title shot... WWE fulfilled there contractual obligations.... END OF STORY

[Grablot]

Dolph Zigler and all of u should remember that this is a contact sport and bug deal so you get hurt sometimes, Dolph Ziggler shouldnt be a whiny little girl and should MAN UP. What WWE needs is more guys who can work a style like Kaval that looks REAL instead of guys who do stuff that looks so fake that even a 3 year old will say its fake. I mean we know wrestlings isnt real but at least try to make it look real. With this rate soon wrestlers will wrestle each other by pretending to touch each other and shouting moves in the air and acting like they got hit like there in an efed or something if ya catch my drift :d but seriously if Kaval works a better style they shouldve improvised on it and not run around crying this is a full contact sport not chess!

[Swiss Ultimate]

By the way, Miz hasn't given anyone a concussion last I heard so he must have the wrestling basics down a little better than Kaval's little pinky.

Also, Bryan Danielson is better than Kaval and look at the dues HE had to pay to get where he is. He lost every single NXT match, was suspended, then came back and took the US Title.

Why would the WWE pull the trigger on Kaval when he doesn't even have it in him to pay his dues in the WWE? It's bullshit like this that makes people hate the indie-scene.

[Grablot]

WWE clearly stated that they would give him a title shot... do you really think he would have a chance against kane or the Miz...fuck no.. Kane would kick him in the head and win... Miz would out smart his dumb ass and win... He had a title shot... WWE fulfilled there contractual obligations.... END OF STORY

Lol u forgot that wrestling is fake.

They could have had Kaval Vs Kane and had Kane be no match for Kavals speed and agility and it would be a great moment to see Kaval outsmart Kane with his speed and pick up the title and besides we know Kane loves to put over new guys so he wouldnt have a problem with it.

As for Miz, COME ON, a former reality TV star with a few years of wrestling experience against a guy like Kaval who has been making wrestling classics all over the world for years? Kaval could take Miz in not only a scripted wrestling match but in a real life fight!

[ooTin]

Dolph Zigler and all of u should remember that this is a contact sport and bug deal so you get hurt sometimes, Dolph Ziggler shouldnt be a whiny little girl and should MAN UP. What WWE needs is more guys who can work a style like Kaval that looks REAL instead of guys who do stuff that looks so fake that even a 3 year old will say its fake. I mean we know wrestlings isnt real but at least try to make it look real. With this rate soon wrestlers will wrestle each other by pretending to touch each other and shouting moves in the air and acting like they got hit like there in an efed or something if ya catch my drift :d but seriously if Kaval works a better style they shouldve improvised on it and not run around crying this is a full contact sport not chess!

So you really think a 3 year old can tell that wrestlers are not hitting eachother? I think not... these long winded KaVaL cock sucking fests have to end buddy:nono:

[CSL]

I think you guys are missing the point here. A wrestler that 'the internet' held close to their hearts was released from his contract with the largest pro-wrestling organization on the planet. It is irrelevant whether he was a complete enough package, had a good enough look, had enough personality or could carry any kind of feud to the point where he'd really 'make it', WWE are just flat out evil. They probably regularly beat up and urinated on his parents when he wasn't looking. And they definitely know nothing about talent. As long as guys like Grablot are around to point out these grave injustices and point us in the right direction, we'll all get by and may gradually begin to learn how the wrestling industry really works and should be. And maybe, just maybe, if all goes well, Vince and co. will learn something from them also.

[CSL]

They could have had Kaval Vs Kane and had Kane be no match for Kavals speed and agility and it would be a great moment to see Kaval outsmart Kane with his speed and pick up the title and besides we know Kane loves to put over new guys so he wouldnt have a problem with it.

As for Miz, COME ON, a former reality TV star with a few years of wrestling experience against a guy like Kaval who has been making wrestling classics all over the world for years? Kaval could take Miz in not only a scripted wrestling match but in a real life fight!

See. Utter brilliance.

[Grablot]

So you really think a 3 year old can tell that wrestlers are not hitting eachother? I think not... these long winded KaVaL cock sucking fests have to end buddy:nono:

Excuse me princess but I was making a POINT. I said that if WWE keeps going down on this slope and road that they will end up having guys touching each other so softly that it will look fake EVEN to a 3 year old so dont get you're tampon all wet :rofl:

[Swiss Ultimate]

I think you guys are missing the point here. A wrestler that 'the internet' held close to their hearts was released from his contract with the largest pro-wrestling organization on the planet. It is irrelevant whether he was a complete enough package, had a good enough look, had enough personality or could carry any kind of feud to the point where he'd really 'make it', WWE are just flat out evil. They probably regularly beat up and urinated on his parents when he wasn't looking. And they definitely know nothing about talent. As long as guys like Grablot are around to point out these grave injustices and point us in the right direction, we'll all get by and may gradually begin to learn how the wrestling industry really works and should be. And maybe, just maybe, if all goes well, Vince and co. will learn something from them also.

It's the corporations, you see...and they're all like, "corporation time!".

Motherfuckers, don't you just hate the man?

[VSG]

Riley > Kaval in WWE. QED.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Gotta love white dots.

[Johnny Vegas]

lol @ CSL

He (Vince) picked Riley over Kaval because he is 100 LBS bigger, imo

[Grablot]

Riley > Kaval in WWE. QED.

QED? English Mfer, u speak it?

And Riley > Kaval? Seriously? Kaval has put on much better matches than Riley has ever done and Kaval could make it on his own if the writers didnt hate him/sucked and Riley only has a storyline because he is hanging on Miz's NUTS.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Gertner? Is this your sock?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Nobody could be this willfully ignorant about current WWE or wrestling politics.

[ooTin]

Lol u forgot that wrestling is fake.

They could have had Kaval Vs Kane and had Kane be no match for Kavals speed and agility and it would be a great moment to see Kaval outsmart Kane with his speed and pick up the title and besides we know Kane loves to put over new guys so he wouldnt have a problem with it.

As for Miz, COME ON, a former reality TV star with a few years of wrestling experience against a guy like Kaval who has been making wrestling classics all over the world for years? Kaval could take Miz in not only a scripted wrestling match but in a real life fight!

OH MY FUCKING GOD YOU ARE SOOOOO FUCKING RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No i did not forget that wrestling is "fake". No kaval would not have out smarted Kane because Edge was to busy already DOING THAT! As for MIZ he is an amazing performer with some of the best mic skills in the business... He sell a shit ton of merch so they are not going to take the title off of him anytime soon. And you are trying to compare wrestling to real life fighting or something... why... just why.... what makes you think that kaval is an all powerful god of wrestling... there are far better out there and many more that are more deserving of a title shot... he was new. Had not proven himself in the wwe yet. AND if you actually kept up with wrestling you would know that he was causing a lot of problems back stage amongst the Divas 3 formal complaints were filed on him before he "decided to leave". If you really want to go back and forth with someone about wrestling choose somewhere else because your wrestling knowledge is laughably insignificant compared to the majority of the people on this site.

[ooTin]

QED? English Mfer, u speak it?

And Riley > Kaval? Seriously? Kaval has put on much better matches than Riley has ever done and Kaval could make it on his own if the writers didnt hate him/sucked and Riley only has a storyline because he is hanging on Miz's NUTS.


I DEMAND A PERMANENT BAN DUE TO MENTAL RETARDATION AND LACK OF WRESTLING KNOWLEDGE.

[Grablot]

OH MY FUCKING GOD YOU ARE SOOOOO FUCKING RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No i did not forget that wrestling is "fake". No kaval would not have out smarted Kane because Edge was to busy already DOING THAT! As for MIZ he is an amazing performer with some of the best mic skills in the business... He sell a shit ton of merch so they are not going to take the title off of him anytime soon. And you are trying to compare wrestling to real life fighting or something... why... just why.... what makes you think that kaval is an all powerful god of wrestling... there are far better out there and many more that are more deserving of a title shot... he was new. Had not proven himself in the wwe yet. AND if you actually kept up with wrestling you would know that he was causing a lot of problems back stage amongst the Divas 3 formal complaints were filed on him before he "decided to leave". If you really want to go back and forth with someone about wrestling choose somewhere else because your wrestling knowledge is laughably insignificant compared to the majority of the people on this site.

SOOOO u work in WWE HQ and know all this for a fact?

Oh wait I think u read it on WWW.InternetRumors.COM (http://www.InternetRumors.COM).

LOL.

[ooTin]

I think you guys are missing the point here. A wrestler that 'the internet' held close to their hearts was released from his contract with the largest pro-wrestling organization on the planet. It is irrelevant whether he was a complete enough package, had a good enough look, had enough personality or could carry any kind of feud to the point where he'd really 'make it', WWE are just flat out evil. They probably regularly beat up and urinated on his parents when he wasn't looking. And they definitely know nothing about talent. As long as guys like Grablot are around to point out these grave injustices and point us in the right direction, we'll all get by and may gradually begin to learn how the wrestling industry really works and should be. And maybe, just maybe, if all goes well, Vince and co. will learn something from them also.

...I LOVE YOU:heart:

[Swiss Ultimate]

Calm down Calvin, he's a sock.

[VSG]

QED? English Mfer, u speak it?

[Swiss Ultimate]

SOOOO u work in WWE HQ and know all this for a fact?

Oh wait I think u read it on WWW.InternetRumors.COM (http://www.InternetRumors.COM).

LOL.

See if he wasn't a sock I'd say, "Isn't that where you found out Kaval was released?" and he'd say, "You got me there."

However, being that this is obviously a sock, I would suggest treating him as such. Do not allow his trollish behavior to "rile" you up.

[ooTin]

SOOOO u work in WWE HQ and know all this for a fact?

Oh wait I think u read it on WWW.InternetRumors.COM (http://www.InternetRumors.COM).

LOL.

1st. you have no idea who i am.
2nd. I work in the business so yeah I do know more than you.
3rd. Your stupid
4th. you are making yourself look like an idiot
5th. You really need to get off Kavals nuts
6th. Your still stupid
7th. When you come in here as a noob you need to show some respect to people that have been here longer than you. Not really me but the other guys.
8th. You come into our forum and blow it up about Kaval and how much of an injustice it is that he is no longer with WWE... that happend last week.. its old news
9th. Plain and simple... just stop while you still have a voice here
10th. SITLL FUCKING STUPID

[ooTin]

Excuse me princess but I was making a POINT. I said that if WWE keeps going down on this slope and road that they will end up having guys touching each other so softly that it will look fake EVEN to a 3 year old so dont get you're tampon all wet :rofl:

:nono:

[VSG]

TAKE EACH OTHER OUT

[ooTin]

fuck socks

[MIZantine Empire]

crowd reaction when kaval comes out is dead like britanny murphy. i didnt see anything special in him, and didnt think he would amount to anything. who knows maybe he will come back and make a huge run. ok i take that back, dude is a pretty talented performer at times. he just has no charisma, and the fans that arent in the IWC didnt catch on to him. and yes, they keep alex riley because he is legit, he is over to an extent with the fans, and he is super charismatic, and can work the mic. i see big things for riley

[ooTin]

crowd reaction when kaval comes out is dead like britanny murphy. i didnt see anything special in him, and didnt think he would amount to anything. who knows maybe he will come back and make a huge run. ok i take that back, dude is a pretty talented performer at times. he just has no charisma, and the fans that arent in the IWC didnt catch on to him. and yes, they keep alex riley because he is legit, he is over to an extent with the fans, and he is super charismatic, and can work the mic. i see big things for riley

There was a farmer, had a dog and BINGO was his name-o!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It's the corporations, you see...and they're all like, "corporation time!".

Motherfuckers, don't you just hate the man?

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[ooTin]

Calm down Calvin, he's a sock.

I truly do not know why I let ppl like that get to me. I hate when ppl talk about a subject they are ignorant on.

[Xero]

Welcome to the Internet.

[James Steele]

LOL @ THREAD

[Mr. Nerfect]

Another thing to consider is the fact that Dolph was out of position. The move he does is normally done to the guy in the corner, and Dolph was several inches from the corner. Basically, since he wasn't where he should have been, he may have taken the impact a lot harder. I don't know what it is, but he seems to have some problems with positioning. Like in his match with Daniel Bryan where he was way to close to the ring when DB went for the suicide dive.

That's actually something I've noticed with Ziggler, too. I love the guy, and I hope it's not something that keeps him back, but around the time he was feuding with Rey Mysterio, and there were reports Rey didn't want to put Ziggler over (which may or may not be true), I noticed that when Ziggler worked with Rey sometime after that, he was busting his ass, but a little too hard. The guy will take some vicious bumps and such, but he often moves out of position with them, and guys have to move him, or in Rey's case, almost crash and burn because Ziggler's a little out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dolph Zigler and all of u should remember that this is a contact sport and bug deal so you get hurt sometimes, Dolph Ziggler shouldnt be a whiny little girl and should MAN UP. What WWE needs is more guys who can work a style like Kaval that looks REAL instead of guys who do stuff that looks so fake that even a 3 year old will say its fake. I mean we know wrestlings isnt real but at least try to make it look real. With this rate soon wrestlers will wrestle each other by pretending to touch each other and shouting moves in the air and acting like they got hit like there in an efed or something if ya catch my drift :d but seriously if Kaval works a better style they shouldve improvised on it and not run around crying this is a full contact sport not chess!

Dolph Ziggler was joking about the incident on Twitter. Something like "I'm fine after my match with Kaval. Sorry, losers, but your indy darling didn't hurt me, as much as you would like him to."

Not verbatim, but Ziggler was basically working people while hurt. Manning up on Ziggler's part has nothing to do with it.

I'd also just like to address the points Kaval was treated like garbage. Could not disagree more. The guy never really had a program going, but he was featured quite consistently on SmackDown! and/or Superstars, having competitive matches with former World Champions. He would team up with top faces and get pretty big victories. Yeah, they started him out on a losing streak, but it seemed as if the WWE were forgetting about that.

Yes, the WWE should have had more for him. Yes, his relationship with LayCool was not exploited to the best of its abilities post-NXT. Yes, the guy had all the talent in the world to make it, and yes, he even showed on NXT that he can cut a promo and be entertaining when not kicking people's heads in. But Kaval ultimately should have had more patience, because he would have made it eventually. I'd say post-WrestleMania season next year would have seen him do a little more. Kaval is just seemingly frustrated with doing all the travel and basically killing time with the company. That's his prerogative, and more power to him. But let's stop whining about it.

To be honest, after Bragging Rights, I think they missed the boat with a Kaval vs. Tyler Reks feud. It wouldn't have been huge or anything, but Kaval never even took issue with Reks beating him for his spot, and we never got a proper one-on-one match between the two, to my knowledge. I guess they wanted to push both guys to some degrees, but there is no reason a string of matches between the two could not have done both. Kaval would have bumped like a king for Reks, who is not at all a bad worker, and has enough size to add an interesting dynamic to their bouts.

Instead, they put Reks into a string of matches against Chris Masters, who I do like, but ultimately led nowhere.

[Gertner]

Lol this is not my sock.

Kaval is your typical indy guy: bland on the mic, good wrestler, but who cares if you can't sell yourself. I knew this thread would have some douchey indy smark getting his panties in a bunch and I was right. Apparently Vince isn't doing a bad job because he's making money like crazy while ROH which as we all know is the God of wrestling and every single match there becomes the MOTY, can't even afford to do regular ppv's anymore. Kaval couldn't cut it. Back to the minor leagues where he belongs.

[Mr. Nerfect]

ROH never did regular PPVs, did they?

Also, Gerty, you're just a backwards version of this other idiot. Kaval wasn't fired, the WWE wanted him -- he asked for his release and the WWE granted it. Also, Kaval's abilities are subjective. I personally thought he was surprisingly stellar on the mic and got quite over for a guy that can't "sell himself."

[Gertner]

If they really wanted him they would have a) gave him at least 1 angle or 2) made an effort to keep him. His mic skills are not good which is why he was paired with Laycool. I used to watch ROH ppv's all the time when they were on.

[Sixx]

Sometime I wonder how WWE is still in business after making the worst decisions one after the other. It seems WWE always tries to screw up yet they are still #1 becayse others screw up way more. Kaval is one of the most talented people in the world and YES before u come in hear crying, I know that Kaval wanted to be released but lets ask why and the reason why he wanted to be released was because is WWE couldnt come up with anything for him and were treating him like garbage and Kaval knows he is one of the greatest so why stick around a place that treats you like garbage imo the only reason WWE is pushing CM Punk right now is because he doesnt do drugs and because Jeff Hardy screwed up that really made WWE push CM Punk because other wise they would have probably had no ideas for him too and he wouldve left so now WWE has just let go off one of the best talents they ever had and the funny thing is from NXT, they kept garbage like Alex Riley who lets face it is nothing in terms of wrestling OR character and they fired Kaval who is good on the mic and amazing in the ring.

The only way WWE can fix this in my eyes is to do a Daniel Bryan and swerve us by hiring Kaval back but I doubt it this time because WWE arent smart enough to do it. I still wonder how WWE keeps up as number one in the business by making bad decisions every time.

What do u think?



Dude.

[Savio]

I would have liked to see a match with him and Danielson before he left.

[Shadow]

Wow....just wow. STD...you are no longer my new favorite idiot. This guy is.

[Juan]

Brandon Silvestry (a/k/a Kaval) requested his release from World Wrestling Entertainment after being frustrated with his position in the organization. The company's creative department was told to bury him after winning the second season of NXT, until a decision was made that he built up for a few weeks for an Intercontinental Championship Match against Dolph Ziggler at the Survivor Series. After losing at the pay-per-view event, creative was told to resume burying him.

Following his quick loss to Drew McIntyre on the Dec. 21 episode of SmackDown, he reportedly asked organization officials if he had any heat with them, to which he was told no. He then queried if they had any future plans for him and was told they didn't. He subsequently asked to be released from his contract, which was officially granted two days later.

Silvestry joined WWE in late 2008 while reigning as IWGP Junior Heavyweight Champion in Japan. Original creative plans called for him to adopt a masked character and feud with Rey Mysterio. As he was awaiting his call-up to the main roster, he suffered a severe leg injury in January 2009, which sidelined him for nine months. Creative lost interest in utilizing the program by the time he healed and he remained in developmental until June, when it was announced he would be a participant in the second season of NXT.

source: Pro Wrestling Torch

[The Naitch]

I do agree with Gabrolt that The Miz is a bit too careful with his opponents in the ring. He doesn't work stiff enough, so to speak. As Eric Bischoff would say about his match with Stone Cold Steve Austin at No Way Out 2003: "I'd rather have you give me a black eye than have the match look phony". Another example is when he took the RKO from Orton this past week, you can clearly see Miz (as he's applying a submission move on Lawler) looking around waiting for Orton to hit his spot with the RKO.

WWE should've tried abit harder giving Kaval something to work with. Just a little bit. Give him something that the fans will care about. They should've taken advantage of Kaval's "I'm too headstrong" attitude

But at the same time, Kaval should've been less paranoid and more patient. Just work with what you got for now kinda deal. Try to turn shit into gold

His mic work isn't a problem, nor is his look, IMO. He had potential to be "the next Rey Mysterio" for the next generation. He reminds me of a better overall package than what Rey would be if he unmasked today and how he was in WCW unmasked. You can buy into Kaval being a legitimate tough guy, where as with Rey, some people can't take him seriously as a rough neck bad ass if he turned heel and unmasked today.

[Hanso Amore]

I dont get why they would immediately bury him afte winning NXT....doesnt that bury the show, and all the others from the show as well?

[Providence Peep]

Did anyone notice that Kaval wasn't getting much booking but was still getting decent reactions, while Daniel Bryan has been booked quite well and isn't quite getting the reactions he should be? Oh, and by the way, what was the point in jobbing Kaval out to Chavo?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I always assumed that it was to show Kaval's growth from being a top indy guy to (eventually) a top WWE guy. Oh well.

[erickman]

Did anyone notice that Kaval wasn't getting much booking but was still getting decent reactions, while Daniel Bryan has been booked quite well and isn't quite getting the reactions he should be? Oh, and by the way, what was the point in jobbing Kaval out to Chavo?

chavo needs to beat someone he can't beat hornswagal or santino. time for chavo to leave too.

[The Naitch]

I have a feeling Chavo will be a lifer in the E. Along with Vicky. Chavo will go the Malenko route

[erickman]

or the brawler jober for life

[Providence Peep]

He had a job on a main roster with the biggest wrestling company going, and asked to be released because they didn't have immediate plans for him. Most up and coming wrestlers would probably kill for his spot on SD.

It does bother me that he jobbed to Chavo, of all people, however Kaval was still getting a lot more exposure than his Season 2 cohorts (and thousands of other wrestlers) are getting and I think he was foolish to leave so quickly.

[ooTin]

Shit I would kill for a jobber announcer spot on NXT! Much less a wrestling spot on smackdown... even if I was to be buried* until they thought of a way to use me, I would wait it out and keep getting paid to job.

[erickman]

I dont get why they would immediately bury him afte winning NXT....doesnt that bury the show, and all the others from the show as well?

i don't know what they are doing with nxt the whole season 3 all cole did was goof on it.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

He had a job on a main roster with the biggest wrestling company going, and asked to be released because they didn't have immediate plans for him. Most up and coming wrestlers would probably kill for his spot on SD.

This.

Although I've always heard the Kaval/Low Ki has an attitude... Not really a bad attitude per se, but basically that he thinks he's amazing. While the argument can be made that he is, he still has to go along with what the company wants. His life.

[Fignuts]

Fucking moron tbh. Regardless of whether they had plans, he was still on a main show every week.

[Xero]

Unless Kaval pissed someone off REALLY badly (maybe with his attitude, as WWKD alluded to), I can't believe creative would be told to all-out bury him, especially since he got a PPV match.

WWE creative is ass-backwards, but I can't believe they'd do something like that where it involved what was disguised as a push. And yes, while he didn't really win, just being on SmackDown! and the PPV showed faith in him.

[Shadow]

Probably was testing the waters with an arrogant young man who's ego was out of control. Something to humble him or some shit like that.