Benoit's autopsy report online

[Vastardikai]

Irv Muchnick posted the entire Benoit autopsy report online, if you're interested in morbid shit like that.

http://muchnick.net/chrisbenoitautopsy.pdf

Findings from the autopsy? Benoit had an enlarged heart. And that's not all...

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2010/12/24/1895472/more-on-benoit-his-heart-wasnt-the-only-enlarged-organ-in-his-body

[ooTin]

wow that some pretty wild stuff... so he had excess testosterone and hung himself from his bowflex... damn what a fucking shame

[Vastardikai]

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Way to miss the point. The point of the post was talking about the enlarged heart, et al (IOW, shit also found in Guerrero, Umaga, other dead wrestlers who died of heart complications.)

[Xero]

Merry Christmas, here's an autopsy report.

[ooTin]

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Way to miss the point. The point of the post was talking about the enlarged heart, et al (IOW, shit also found in Guerrero, Umaga, other dead wrestlers who died of heart complications.)

No I got the point.. if you have heart problems you shold probably not exert your self 300 nights a year and take a shit load of drugs.... I understand what happened I was just saying that its a damn shame that one of the greatest wrestlers ever went out like this....

[CSL]

Not surprising :-\ Kind of always figured Benoit would die a 'natural wrestler death' down the line, the sheer size of him despite his frame, especially on close-ups would blow me away pretty much every single time he appeared. Barring injuries, he was probably heavily abusing, never mind on regular cycles, for the best part of the last 15-20 years.

[ooTin]

That is very true. He was built like a pit-bull. A pit-bull with a bad heart.....

[Vastardikai]

Merry Christmas, here's an autopsy report.

Muchnick posted it yesterday, and I just now saw it. I figured it would be at least interesting to see, for the more morbid amongst us.

for ooTin: He may not have know he had heart problems.

[ooTin]

Muchnick posted it yesterday, and I just now saw it. I figured it would be at least interesting to see, for the more morbid amongst us.

for ooTin: He may not have know he had heart problems.

A definite possibility. BUT. Being a wrestler, you are subject to AT LEAST one physical a year. Not to mention when you get a concussion, land wrong, hell if you complain about a hurt pinky tow you still get a basic physical... just like in any other sport. Its possible that it was not hugly enlarged and maybe just slightly enlarged... I read the report but im not a doctor so a lot of the lingo was lost on me.... But knowing that you are going to put your body through 300 shows a year, constant travel, very little sleep, he should have been more aware of his situation and been more aware of his health condition. I just find it hard to believe that a 40 year old man does not know that he has an enlarged heart.

[Vastardikai]

Here's the thing about the WWE and the environment of pro-wrestling as of right now:

Many of the guys DON'T complain about a hurt pinkie toe. The environment of WWE is one of going all out to make sure the guys are healthy. In fact, you're expected to be banged up and show up banged up, or else risk losing your spot. Mick Foley in his first book talked about having only 8 "Documented" concussions, not to mention having his bell rung "several" times. No telling what his brain looks like. Also remember that the Wellness Policy, in its flawed state, is a recent phenomenon that didn't exist when Benoit was taking unprotected chair shots to the head or doing diving headbutts off the top of cages.

Recent example here is the interview with Trevor Murdoch, where he more or less accused Chris Nowinski of "Milking a concussion for a year." How much of that is him saying what needs to be said in case Vince comes calling again and how much of that is ignorance of the issue of concussions, which is only Recently starting to be noticed.

With Professional Wrestling is an environment where being banged up is expected and taking time off to make sure you're 100% can have you be labeled a "Pussy" and even cost you your job, I CAN find it easy to believe that a 40 year old man wouldn't know if he has an enlarged heart.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Phil and Irv Muchnick* hate the wrestling business and think all of the fans are brain dead idiots just because they like a fake sport. Cant' find the Raw where Jim Cornette torn this guy a new asshole.

They post this report near Christmas to try to ruin the holiday cause all it is for them is a day to eat Chinese Food.

*Edit: No relation.

[ooTin]

Ok you make a valid point.
I can only speak for the guys back stage at TWF (Texas Wrestling Federation).
In the time that I have worked here I have found that many of the athletes do not share the proper injury information with the proper people...ie the trainers, personal doctors, and bookers. They do however let the person they are performing with that night of their aliments.

Many a time I have seen one athlete say something to the effect of "Hey bro, go easy with the chair tonight, my head is fucking killing me." and an athlete that may have overheard this will go and alert the trainer to the situation. But we at TWF are a close knit family who watch out for each other... WWE life is much different as you said. In the "big leagues" you are expected to work rain or shine, injury or no injury.

The only part I find hard to believe is that seeing as how there are so many superstars in the WWE, and Benoit being the "friendly guy" that he was, he was bound to have guys in the locker room that cared enough about his physical well being that they would have said something about his constant growth hormone usage and his other habits.

Backstage at TWF there is no illegal usage of growth hormones or steroid injections... all you will find is protein shakes and damn hard workers. If anyone is found with any illegal substances, excluding marijuana, they are automatically let go. No questions asked. These athletes know that steroids are not worth the 350 bucks a night.... Mainly because most of them are doing this as a second job.

As for WWE, they can get pretty much anyone, anytime they want and do what ever with them. I believe there is no excuse for the amount of punishment their superstars put themselves through on a daily basis. Many indy wrestlers refuse to work for WWE because of their more than rigorous schedule. To them it is just not worth it. But for the select few that get the call up to the "big leagues" and accept, they know what to expect and what needs to be done to be on top. That is why WWE wrestler are encouraged, more like forced, to work beyond their limits and thus injury's and had, and not properly nursed. So yes after some thought I do believe that is is possible that Chris Benoit had no idea that he was in as much danger as he was.

[ooTin]

Irv and Sam Muchnick hate the wrestling business and think all of the fans are brain dead idiots just because they like a fake sport. Cant' find the Raw where Jim Cornette torn this guy a new asshole.

They post this report near Christmas to try to ruin the holiday cause all it is for them is a day to eat Chinese Food.

what?

[Aguakate]

...Enlarged organs means Chris Benoit was using Human Growth Hormone (among other drugs, I'm sure), but HGH will do that to you, it'll enlarge not only your muscles, but your organs as well...you're basically putting the body into overdrive. So this all means Benoit would've died relatively young anyways.

[Vastardikai]

STD, you're thinking Phil Muchnick (unrelated) who hates the wrestling business. He is pretty much a sports troll, as far as I'm concerned. The Muchnick that Cornette was talking about was Phil Muchnick.

Sam Muchnick was a professional wrestling promoter, and former head of the NWA. Why would Sam hate the wrestling business?

Irv Muchnick is Sam's son, and he does write stuff critical of the industry. That being said, he seems to follow it mostly from the angle of serious concerns of the industry, such as the steroid abuse, drug abuse, et al.

The above report was originally in the DVD-data companion to Chris and Nancy.

He knows Phil, but again, they aren't related. Again the difference is this: Phil is a troll, Irv is a journalist.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Thanks edited my post with the new information. Funny I thought they were related since they had the same last name and same interest in sports entertainment.

[Vastardikai]

Ok you make a valid point.
I can only speak for the guys back stage at TWF (Texas Wrestling Federation).
In the time that I have worked here I have found that many of the athletes do not share the proper injury information with the proper people...ie the trainers, personal doctors, and bookers. They do however let the person they are performing with that night of their aliments.

Many a time I have seen one athlete say something to the effect of "Hey bro, go easy with the chair tonight, my head is fucking killing me." and an athlete that may have overheard this will go and alert the trainer to the situation. But we at TWF are a close knit family who watch out for each other... WWE life is much different as you said. In the "big leagues" you are expected to work rain or shine, injury or no injury.

The only part I find hard to believe is that seeing as how there are so many superstars in the WWE, and Benoit being the "friendly guy" that he was, he was bound to have guys in the locker room that cared enough about his physical well being that they would have said something about his constant growth hormone usage and his other habits.

Backstage at TWF there is no illegal usage of growth hormones or steroid injections... all you will find is protein shakes and damn hard workers. If anyone is found with any illegal substances, excluding marijuana, they are automatically let go. No questions asked. These athletes know that steroids are not worth the 350 bucks a night.... Mainly because most of them are doing this as a second job.

As for WWE, they can get pretty much anyone, anytime they want and do what ever with them. I believe there is no excuse for the amount of punishment their superstars put themselves through on a daily basis. Many indy wrestlers refuse to work for WWE because of their more than rigorous schedule. To them it is just not worth it. But for the select few that get the call up to the "big leagues" and accept, they know what to expect and what needs to be done to be on top. That is why WWE wrestler are encouraged, more like forced, to work beyond their limits and thus injury's and had, and not properly nursed. So yes after some thought I do believe that is is possible that Chris Benoit had no idea that he was in as much danger as he was.

I will say that work environment for WWE as of Christmas 2010 is much different than it was as of the day Benoit died. There is stuff the guys take more into account. Even if it is for PR reasons, no unprotected weapon shots to the head of workers is a benefit for the boys. At the end of the day, either by shame or by regulation, ultimately WWE has to improve their record. I give Wellness shit and deservedly so, but it's a step in the right direction.

It's good to hear that TWF is doing things right. It's a start and it does give me hope that, if it works for a smaller indy fed, it can work for bigger promotions. I have noticed in Japan, that many of the more high-impact matches will end, the young boys will come in to ice the head of the workers to prevent swelling.

We are only starting to see a glimpse of the tip of the iceberg when it comes to head injuries in sports in general, and pro-wrestling specifically.

[ooTin]

As far as no unprotected weapon shots to the head goes, I believe it is a big step in the right direction. These atheletes do not need to get a concussion just to entertain us. I will be the first to admit that from a fan stand point.. I miss the chair shots to the head, and the powerbombs and piledrivers... and who wouldnt? They are high impact moves that are entertaining to watch.But from a guy who works in the business and knows first hand what it is like to live the live of a performing athlete, I think it is a good business decision to solidify the longevity of your performers, thus, creating more profit generated from each individual due to more in ring time. Simply put, the more time you can have a healthy guy in the ring, the more money you will make off of him.

[ooTin]

http://chrisbenoitopsy.ytmnd.com/


just found this had to post it... you be the judge

[Joe Kerr]

Didnt click any links but i remember a report saying his brain was that of a 50 year old man with alzheimers disease. Do a lot to Concussions

[Rammsteinmad]

So he had an enlarged heart, liver and spleen. Took steroids, suffered too many concussions and killed himself and his family.

Are people really interested in this anymore? I expected some huge new revelation to come out of this thread.

[JimmyMess]

That is very true. He was built like a pit-bull. A pit-bull with a bad heart.....

So like most pit-bulls...

[HBPunk]

Chris Benoit was a lovely guy

[ooTin]

So like most pit-bulls...

....uhhh pit-bulls do not have any history of heart problems..... your thinking of some other kind of dog....

[YoungFlyFlashy]

Good find.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, not surprising at all. Meh.

It's a shame because the bad circumstances of his death have kinda retroactively sullied some of my favorite moments. The WM20 main event may have been one of my biggest markouts ever as I stood in front of the TV begging for HHH to tap out. Not it's just :-\</font>