Official Royal Rumble Thread Live discussion on page 6 NO SPOILERS

[CSL]

Or not. Hurry up chaps, some gentleman is going to read this mongrels spoilers and get in a right tizzy.

[Fignuts]

That was awesome. The build up to Cena's entrance was great. To the point where I marked out for Cena taking Nexus out. Hornswoggle stuff was fine. I thought the mini AA was actually kind of impressive.

Very happy with Del Rio winning as well. He was my pick, back in like december.

[Furious Beardsley]

spoiler?posting before deletion/lockage

[Crazy Nick]

I really enjoyed it, one of the better Royal Rumbles I have seen over the past few years.

[Mr. JL]

Diesel return was fucking awesome. Crowd was amazing all night long too.

[rated rjo]

Still can't believe Diesel murdered the forum.

[CSL]

So to sum it up...

-Orton and Ziggler somehow got in despite already having had title shots (if it was explained that Vickie gave Ziggler the spot I would have bought that)
-Hornswoggle somehow lasted longer than I expected
-Booker T return was great but he should have lasted longer.
-Diesel return=Win
-Kane @ #40=fail
-Punk was out halfway through
-Corre didn't get too much exposure when it came down to it.
-No Christian
-No HHH meaning he has officially and quietly retired from wrestling
-Del Rio wins by eliminating Santino instead of what could have been a shocking upset.

meh, I suppose a OK Rumble nontheless...

I hate you and every single person like you. You and your likeness are the second most annoying thing in all of anything wrestling related behind the dangerous fuckwit marks that actually inflict themselves upon the world by trying to be wrestlers.

[James Steele]

I can't wait to see where this goes because there isn't a match with Alberto Del Rio I would pay 60 bucks to see.

[rated rjo]

And WWE... that's what you get for shoving Orton and Cena down our throats for the last year. What about their moment in the rumble was supposed to be special when they've had one-on-one matches all year? At least that crowd knew better too.

Still don't think Riley was ever eliminated.

[Fignuts]

Kevin Nash used his backstage influence to crash tpww.

[MIZantine Empire]

i am gonna pat myself on the back..im sure i was either the first one, or one of the first to pick del rio to win it. i was worried there for a minute they were going to pull a major swerve and have santino win it..i legit forgot completely about him bein in it. i legit marked out for Booker T. i tried so hard not to see a spoiler, or have a headline tell me the surprises commin. so i liked seein him and Diesel. i also lol'd at striker nearly calling dolphs move the Fame-Asser. i also loved the "Lets go Bryan, CM PUNK" chant..thought the undercard was kinda weak, dolph and edge had a great match..but the rumble was great

[AKin3D]

I know everyone's so big on Alberto Del Rio, but really this kind of blows. Any other time I wouldn't have really cared if they gave him a title push or not, but the idea of him headlining WM just seems...boring and a let down.

[Skippord]

was disappointed Morrison was eliminated so early

spiderman thing was sick though

[Juan]

I hate you and every single person like you. You and your likeness are the second most annoying thing in all of anything wrestling related behind the dangerous fuckwit marks that actually inflict themselves upon the world by trying to be wrestlers.

I agree, but check this out

http://apps.facebook.com/polldaddy-polls/?view=poll&id=4473793&comment=964931&msg=new-comment#comment_964931

Pretty mind blowing comments.

It's so frustrating to see this level of stupidity in action.

[Juan]

It makes me sad that I live in a world where people don't understand Alberto Del Rio's awesomeness.

[Lara Emily]

I hate you and every single person like you. You and your likeness are the second most annoying thing in all of anything wrestling related behind the dangerous fuckwit marks that actually inflict themselves upon the world by trying to be wrestlers.

Why do you have the truth so much. The crowd told the story it absolutely died once Cena really took over. The pace of the match did too.

[#1-norm-fan]

This was the first PPV I've actually ordered since WrestleMania last year.

I can honestly say, in all my years as a wrestling fan, I do not think I have ever wanted anything to happen more than I wanted Santino to eliminate Del Rio and win it. While Del Rio was a great choice to win, they just made it feel like Santino winning was going to be such an incredible moment, I HAD to see it happen. I am horribly disappointed right now. That was TOO much of a tease.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Now here comes the bitching about the Wrestlemania main event 2 months before it even happens. Hey guys there's probably gonna be some stuff that happens between now and then. Maybe wait before you start crying like a bitch.

[James Steele]

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Things need to change, my son is not allowed to watch TNA due to language and mixed signals. Now, WWE takes cheating, underhanded, shots now. Del Rio can't hold his own really without someone interfering in the match and Miz...well he is as far from awesome as one could get. Michael Cole needs to be put in a muzzle. The scripts are very crappy now. It seems to me like the new WWE is trying to reinvent 4 Horseman, Fab FreeBSD, NWO and so forth..it can't be done! Kids watch this show too, writers need to keep that in thought when putting plays into motion. I was not expecting HHH to come back tonight, but was gladbto see Booker T and Kevin Bash. I have been watching Wrestling since 76, you could easily say I grew up with it. I used to hang out with the wrestlers as a kitten girl. I would love for my kids to have those great memories too, however the direction WWE has been doing for a few years now is downhill. Sorry, but until Things change WWE is no longer welcome in my home. Very disappointed in how you encourage dishonesty and cheating in our youth.
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Really?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The beginning of the Rumble was brilliant. It started to drag when Nexus dominated, but it made sense. Cena also eliminating them made sense too though Punk probably should have gotten to stay slightly longer.

I started to get annoyed during the Cena/Swog comedy stuff. Usually comedy in the Rumble happens early, it felt kinda out of place. From here until the very end I felt really mehhhhhh about the Rumble.

Then Del Rio won, I marked the fuck out. Then the ending with Santino gave me a heart attack and Del Rio won, causing me to mark out again.

Kudos to WWE. They got it right.</font>

[JimmyMess]

I nearly came in my pants when Diesel walked out. Just saying

And again when I thought Santino was going to take the win. This was honestly the first time since I was a kid that I was this excited watching a wrestling bout. I mean I knew none of this was going anywhere, but still. It was really, really entertaining.

Kudos, it was a successful show IMO.

[JimmyMess]

I nearly came in my pants when Diesel walked out. Just saying

And again when I thought Santino was going to take the win. This was honestly the first time since I was a kid that I was this excited watching a wrestling bout. I mean I knew none of this was going anywhere, but still. It was really, really entertaining.

Kudos, it was a successful show IMO.

[James Steele]

Edge/Ziggler was really really good.

[James Steele]

I have a feeling Michael Cole will be getting AA'd tomorrow night.

[Juan]

I understand that a Santino win would have been exciting (for about 10 mins) but how on Earth would having Santino win the Rumble be a good idea? Think about it

[Lara Emily]

It was a very good show, for sure.

Gotta say though I love how angry some people get though when anyone dares to not be 100% happy.No one is telling you to shut up when you guys talk about how great everything is, so show the same courtesy.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Juan was this you "Never realized how many retards there are on facebook"? If so well said but I think they deleted it.

[Skippord]

I honestly have no idea if I like Del Rio or not

mixed feelings

[Juan]

Juan was this you "Never realized how many retards there are on facebook"? If so well said but I think they deleted it.

Yeah that was me. The comments on that page are beyond stupid.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

It makes me sad that I live in a world where people don't understand Alberto Del Rio's awesomeness.
Is there something lodged in your brain?

[RawRocks]

Would have been better had John Cena clockshotted that dipshit Michael Cole.

The closest the WWE has to the Rock is John Cena and the problem is this ridiculous TV-PG rating is killing off any chance the WWE has of replicating the momentum the Rock had given them. There is only so much Cena can do or say in character because of the TV-PG limitations. I could say the same about Randy Orton or Edge. This TV-PG shit has to end.

[Fignuts]

BOOM sig'd

[James Steele]

I wonder if this is all a smoke-screen for Christian to return and beat Del Rio at Elimination Chamber for his title match at WM and go on to have Edge vs Christian for the World Title at WrestleMania. Remember, Del Rio is the one who took out Christian!!!

Also, for the love of God please come back soon Triple H.

[Juan]

I honestly have no idea if I like Del Rio or not

mixed feelings

He's a natural on the mic, great worker and even tho his gimmick is not exactly unique, it fits him perfectly. Get into it, Skip

[CSL]

It was a very good show, for sure.

Gotta say though I love how angry some people get though when anyone dares to not be 100% happy.No one is telling you to shut up when you guys talk about how great everything is, so show the same courtesy.

If you actually think people shitcan the likes of you because you're 'daring not to be 100% happy' then you are a bigger idiot than I initially thought.

[Afterlife]

I understand that a Santino win would have been exciting (for about 10 mins) but how on Earth would having Santino win the Rumble be a good idea? Think about it

It would be better than Del Rio.

[Juan]

Is there something lodged in your brain?

Yeah, one if the side of effects is that I like entertaining wrestlers.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

He's a natural on the mic, great worker and even tho his gimmick is not exactly unique, it fits him perfectly. Get into it, Skip
Are you "freaking" kidding me?

[VSG]

So to sum it up...
-No HHH meaning he has officially and quietly retired from wrestling
meh, I suppose a OK Rumble nontheless...

Wow..

[Fignuts]

Del Rio is the man. Hush up.

[Juan]

It would be better than Del Rio.

I'm sure.

[Lara Emily]

If you actually think people shitcan the likes of you because you're 'daring not to be 100% happy' then you are a bigger idiot than I initially thought.

Case in point

:wave:

[James Steele]

I wonder if this all ends in Mysterio/Del Rio again and Mysterio finally gets a big win over Del Rio.

[Afterlife]

Yeah, one if the side of effects is that I like entertaining wrestlers.

But he's referring to your praise of Del Rio. Not entertaining wrestlers.

[Xero]

Ziggler/Edge was pretty great, marked for the Edgacation.

Orton/Miz was pretty meh. So what I expected.

Didn't give a shit about the Diva's match, though like many I expected Kong.

The Rumble match was a mixed bag, but in the end I did love it. The first ten entrants with Punk, Daniel Bryan, Regal and Morrison was fucking awesome. Loved Morrison's save spot. Always wanted to see that happen, but figured it would be RVD.

I actually liked how Nexus took over the Rumble for a bit. Could have used a Punk promo while the rest of Nexus eliminated guys, but I guess it's best not to emulate last year. I just wish they'd have had the Corre showdown instead of Super Cena saving the day and getting rid of Nexus.

The Hornswoggle shit made me sick. Tyson Kidd and ESPECIALLY Slater taking those kinds of moves from him just completely buries them in my eyes. While I don't think either one was going to go far, Slater is apart of a major angle right now with Corre.

I get why they did it, but I felt like the Ziggler entrance and elimination didn't do anything for him. They barely even mentioned his elimination or entrance. He was kind of just... There. I hope they continue his push.

Diesel returning was awesome.

The Santino thing was... Interesting. Have a big problem with someone like Del Rio selling the Cobra.

Del Rio winning didn't surprise me in the least and I had no problems with it. I hope he continues to make an impact.

[Xero]

Ziggler/Edge was pretty great, marked for the Edgacation.

Orton/Miz was pretty meh. So what I expected.

Didn't give a shit about the Diva's match, though like many I expected Kong.

The Rumble match was a mixed bag, but in the end I did love it. The first ten entrants with Punk, Daniel Bryan, Regal and Morrison was fucking awesome. Loved Morrison's save spot. Always wanted to see that happen, but figured it would be RVD.

I actually liked how Nexus took over the Rumble for a bit. Could have used a Punk promo while the rest of Nexus eliminated guys, but I guess it's best not to emulate last year. I just wish they'd have had the Corre showdown instead of Super Cena saving the day and getting rid of Nexus.

The Hornswoggle shit made me sick. Tyson Kidd and ESPECIALLY Slater taking those kinds of moves from him just completely buries them in my eyes. While I don't think either one was going to go far, Slater is apart of a major angle right now with Corre.

I get why they did it, but I felt like the Ziggler entrance and elimination didn't do anything for him. They barely even mentioned his elimination or entrance. He was kind of just... There. I hope they continue his push.

Diesel returning was awesome.

The Santino thing was... Interesting. Have a big problem with someone like Del Rio selling the Cobra.

Del Rio winning didn't surprise me in the least and I had no problems with it. I hope he continues to make an impact.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Del Rio is about an entertaining as a pile of Mexican donkey shit.

He can't work the mic. Not even a little bit.

[Juan]

But he's referring to your praise of Del Rio. Not entertaining wrestlers.

Stop being a dick. You like the Goon and I like Del Rio.

[James Steele]

I still can't believe how over Diesel was. How dare I ever doubt Kevin Nash and The Kliq.

[MIZantine Empire]

That's 9 guys right there already. Almost 10.
not according to strikers genius ass..when that brawl happened he said over a dozen of WWES fresh faces are in the ring right now...

[Mr. Pierre]

Orton vs. Punk should be great. It would be cool if Punk "picked his spot" to reverse the roles on Orton a few years later. Legacy costed Punk his Championship when Punk was a loner, but now Nexus costs Orton the Championship when Orton is the loner. Could make for some great storytelling :y:

I loved the show tonight. It was pretty much perfect, IMO.

[Juan]

Del Rio is about an entertaining as a pile of Mexican donkey shit.

He can't work the mic. Not even a little bit.

That's your opinion. You've made yourself clear, I get it.

[Afterlife]

Stop being a dick. You like the Goon and I like Del Rio.

No, I like the pure concept of the Goon gimmick. It was executed horribly, and the performer just wasn't very good.

Also, Del Rio would bore the color beige.

[Xero]

How anyone can say Del Rio "can't work the mic" is absolutely astounding to me.

Except it's a troll post, so it's not.

[James Steele]

Juan, I agree with you that Alberto Del Rio is good but to already win the Rumble and headline Mania is a bit much in 6 months. I think he ends up dropping it to Christian to set up Edge/Christian and goes on to face Rey Mysterio.

[BizarroKing]

For the record, the comments I made about the game were sarcastic...I'm just majorly disappointed that he didn't show up in some form tonight.

Because now how are they going to bring him back. It needs to be something big.

[James Steele]

For the record, the comments I made about the game were sarcastic...I'm just majorly disappointed that he didn't show up in some form tonight.

Because now how are they going to bring him back. It needs to be something big.

Brother?

[MIZantine Empire]

Liking how even the jobbers are getting a couple of spots.

Eddie chant :love:
i really did love the ovation for chavo when he finally hit the 3 amigos, then did that little dance..was a feel good moment..i had chills, honest

[James Steele]

Kevin Nash is going to turn that pop into a world title push on RAW.

[Xero]

Juan, I agree with you that Alberto Del Rio is good but to already win the Rumble and headline Mania is a bit much in 6 months. I think he ends up dropping it to Christian to set up Edge/Christian and goes on to face Rey Mysterio.

To be entirely honest, The Rumble winner doesn't have NEARLY as much importance right now than it ever did, with Chamber and two title matches. There is nothing wrong with Del Rio going on to face Edge (example) in a world title match, because it wouldn't be the main event of WrestleMania.

Del Rio could not draw in a main event spot, but in this instance he doesn't have to because he won't have the main event spot.

[Afterlife]

How anyone can say Del Rio "can't work the mic" is absolutely astounding to me.

Except it's a troll post, so it's not.

Show me an inspiring Del Rio promo, please. Specifically, show me anything he said leading toward the Rumble that effectively made you care about the upcoming event more than you already did.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

How anyone can say Del Rio "can't work the mic" is absolutely astounding to me.
I have yet to see him captivate the live audience, and I've seen virtually all of his TV appearances.

He is horribly monotonous on the mic, and has never said anything interesting or original.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Hope they do something with the Santino second place. Like give him a spot in the chamber, but he has to decent the tag titles before t, Nexus take him out and Booker/Diesel take his place, preferably Booker.

Only downside to the event (bar the divas match) for me was the lack of everyones face backstage lurker Michael Tarver.

[Nowhere Man]

Overall, it was an amazing first half of the Rumble. The surprise returns from Booker and Nash were great, and I can't help but be amused by the fact that the biggest pops of the night were for two guys that haven't been main eventers in years, and the big Cena/Orton staredown was met with dead silence.

I'm a little miffed that Punk got taken out halfway through the match, as I was really hoping that they'd have the leaders of the Nexus and the Corre go at it. But alas, Cena needed to clear the ring for that agonizing comedy bit with Hornswoggle.

And honestly, I know everyone on TPDub has a big hard-on for Del Rio, but I don't get it. He's pretty good on the mic, but he's no Jericho or Christian. He's pretty good in the ring, but he's no Bryan or Punk. In a company with guys who are genuinely great at one thing or another, there's so much hype and excitement for a guy who's just pretty good.

[MIZantine Empire]

Ok guys so crowd reaction evaluation: Daniel Bryan got a a chant and a solid pop, JTG got silence, suck on that Gertner
he also got out cheered by someone who is supposed to be a big heel. seriously, that almost rivaled the "lets go Cena, CENA SUCKS!" im still not getting this whole daniel bryan craze..and when is he gonna defend that belt? did the WWE just forget that he was the US champ?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Gonna make WM my second ever PPV purchase. Show WWE some love for a Del Rio title match :love:

[Juan]

Show me an inspiring Del Rio promo, please. Specifically, show me anything he said leading toward the Rumble that effectively made you care about the upcoming event more than you already did.

I'm sure whatever is dug up and posted is gonna change your mind.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

If it happens. People always react so quickly with disgust, they forget it's 2 months to WM and anything can happen. Del Rio might lose his spot yet.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

You guys are making me glad I rarely visit the wrestling forum.

Is there something in the water?

[James Steele]

Del Rio will probably have the most absurd over the top entrance at WrestleMania though.

[Juan]

You guys are making me glad I rarely visit the wrestling forum.

Is there something in the water?

Yes, we're all retards and you're the smart one.

[Providence Peep]

To be entirely honest, The Rumble winner doesn't have NEARLY as much importance right now than it ever did, with Chamber and two title matches. There is nothing wrong with Del Rio going on to face Edge (example) in a world title match, because it wouldn't be the main event of WrestleMania.

Del Rio could not draw in a main event spot, but in this instance he doesn't have to because he won't have the main event spot.

Remember the days when the winner of the Rumble actually *did* go on to main event WM, as advertised? Not the case anymore, clearly.

[Lock Jaw]

Loved the beginning of the Rumble. Loved the New Nexus taking control... but then it went on for far too long before they brought Cena out. Kind of killed the momentum. Should have had Punk of the mic like last year. Then Cena and Hornswoggle buried the momentum completely.

By the end, it was exhumed and I liked the ending.

Edge/Ziggler was a pretty great match earlier in the night too.

[Lara Emily]

he also got out cheered by someone who is supposed to be a big heel. seriously, that almost rivaled the "lets go Cena, CENA SUCKS!" im still not getting this whole daniel bryan craze..and when is he gonna defend that belt? did the WWE just forget that he was the US champ?

He still got a decent reaction. I was just laughing because Gertner claimed jTG was more over than DB

[James Steele]

Del Rio coming out in this:

http://fancytuning.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/gold-bentley-hummer-h2.jpg

http://dashboard.metallica.com/ivergence/image/10oct2508_pic18.jpg
http://www.diva-dirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/eve-pyro.jpg
http://www.todaysfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/alberto-del-rio-wallpapers.jpg

[Juan]

"I disagree with your opinion, so you must suffer from brain damage"

[Afterlife]

I'm sure whatever is dug up and posted is gonna change your mind.

Your cynicism is noted, but basically ineffective.

Just saying "this guy is over" or "this guy is awesome" doesn't cut it. If you can't show me why, then it's simply not. Explain to me why you declare his greatness, or cut the crap. So far, I'm not impressed.

[Tb1]

Del Rio is tremendous. It's clear that he's a natural on the mic, though he hasn't been booked to play anything but the egotistical son of a bitch. Clearly he could accomplish a fantastic promo if given the opportunity.

[LuigiD]

I had not been so pumped for a PPV in a long time.
That was fucking bad ass. The Rumble was pretty good minus Hornswoggle, Cena, Punk and what not. Marked out hardcore beyond belief for Diesel. I have liked Del Rio since day 1 and hope he gets pushed to the fucking moon.

[Juan]

He's awesome because it's my opinion that he's awesome. I dunno why that is so hard to understand or why it means I'm stupid or something as Jabba seems to think.

[Tb1]

clearlyclearlyclearly

[Juan]

Del Rio is tremendous. It's clear that he's a natural on the mic, though he hasn't been booked to play anything but the egotistical son of a bitch. Clearly he could accomplish a fantastic promo if given the opportunity.

Clearly there is something lodged in your brain Tb1. I mean why else would you like Del Rio?

[Providence Peep]

Do any of you think Del Rio really *win* to go to the main event at WM? If he does, it will be against Edge. From the RAW roster, it will either be Orton or Cena... regardless of what happened at the RR.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

There are multiple main events for Wrestlemania, what you are talking about is the last match.

I doubt Alberto will be in the final match at WrestleMania though.

[James Steele]

I can honestly see them having Christian beat him for the title match thanks to Mysterio interference or w/e and we get Edge/Christian for the title and the final battle between Mysterio/Del Rio. Raw is going to be a clusterfuck because you have 4-5 guys who could easily be involved: Orton/Cena/Punk/Miz/Diesel

[Afterlife]

He's awesome because it's my opinion that he's awesome. I dunno why that is so hard to understand or why it means I'm stupid or something as Jabba seems to think.

You don't base your opinions on anything? You're right, I don't understand that.

[James Steele]

THIS WEEK ON JUANDAY NIGHT RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW:


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[Tb1]

I'm not sure I understand the resentment here. Guy can obviously go in the ring, I don't think that's being disputed. He can obviously talk better than a good chunk of the roster, and he's young/fresh/has a ton of promise. What's the problem again?

[Juan]

You don't base your opinions on anything? You're right, I don't understand that.

I've basically already said why I liked him in a post where I quoted Skippord.

You clearly have different criteria for what you call entertaining. To me, a guy who oozes charisma (in my opinion), a guy who makes a cliche gimmick work for him instead of against him (in my opinion), a guy who is one of the best Mexican/AAA wrestlers of the past decade (in my opinion), a guy with a heritage and family of great wrestlers (in my opinion), a guy who is confident on the mic (in my opinion) is entertaining.

[Lock Jaw]

Just remember, if it happens, I was the first one to book Alberto Del Rio as a world champion in... ARMCHAIR WARFARE!

[Skippord]

I should rephrase what I said earlier. I like Del Rio, I'd have just preferred someone else winning the Rumble.

[Tb1]

so what Juan said

[Juan]

I'm not sure I understand the resentment here. Guy can obviously go in the ring, I don't think that's being disputed. He can obviously talk better than a good chunk of the roster, and he's young/fresh/has a ton of promise. What's the problem again?

I love AL, but I think he looks for more depth in guys he likes and their promos. Which is fine, I guess I'm just a more shallow wrestling fan.

[MIZantine Empire]

Del Rio will probably have the most absurd over the top entrance at WrestleMania though.
i was thinkin maybe he would enter in a helicopter, or a stealth bomber, lol

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

He's not a bad in-ring worker, by any means. I just have a problem with his god-awful blandness on the mic.

[MIZantine Empire]

He still got a decent reaction. I was just laughing because Gertner claimed jTG was more over than DB
oh yea im not arguing that. JTG is over when he is on superstars. i will concede that argument to bryan. just thought it was funny in a situation where its face v heel, the heel out chanted the face.

[Afterlife]

I've basically already said why I liked him in a post where I quoted Skippord.

You clearly have different criteria for what you call entertaining. To me, a guy who oozes charisma (in my opinion), a guy who makes a cliche gimmick work for him instead of against him (in my opinion), a guy who is one of the best Mexican/AAA wrestlers of the past decade (in my opinion), a guy with a heritage and family of great wrestlers (in my opinion), a guy who is confident on the mic (in my opinion) is entertaining.

Starting to wonder if you know what the word "opinion" means.

[MIZantine Empire]

There are multiple main events for Wrestlemania, what you are talking about is the last match.

I doubt Alberto will be in the final match at WrestleMania though.
this is true, Edge v Jericho happened like half way through mania last year. and it wasnt even a title match in the main event. granted it was one of the biggest matches of all time

[Afterlife]

I love AL, but I think he looks for more depth in guys he likes and their promos. Which is fine, I guess I'm just a more shallow wrestling fan.

I like guys who have depth. And I like character.

Del Rio is not a bad wrestler. But he's nothing amazing.

Del Rio is not cringe-worthy on the mic. But he is not "a natural".

He has a stupid, generic gimmick and his career has consisted of telling Rey Mysterio he is short.

As an overall performer, he is simply uninteresting.

[MIZantine Empire]

I've basically already said why I liked him in a post where I quoted Skippord.

You clearly have different criteria for what you call entertaining. To me, a guy who oozes charisma (in my opinion), a guy who makes a cliche gimmick work for him instead of against him (in my opinion), a guy who is one of the best Mexican/AAA wrestlers of the past decade (in my opinion), a guy with a heritage and family of great wrestlers (in my opinion), a guy who is confident on the mic (in my opinion) is entertaining.
i have seen quite a few of his matches as Dos Caras JR. and he was even more impressive there. he was actually a high flying luchadore, which im sure u know, but im guessing alot of these people who are negative havent seen any of these. i am guessing they think he is some rookie who is green, not knowing he has traveled the world, and wrestled all over to become fluent in the ring. but everyone is entitled to their opinion, and i respect that, but as far as immediate impact and breaking through the glass ceiling goes, there has been no one like him.

[James Steele]

I'm not sure I understand the resentment here. Guy can obviously go in the ring, I don't think that's being disputed. He can obviously talk better than a good chunk of the roster, and he's young/fresh/has a ton of promise. What's the problem again?

He has only been in WWE for 6 months and people were holding out hoped for the traditional guard of "upper midcarders" such as Morrison (who can't talk), Christian, etc. I am not a mark for Del Rio but he is very good and he will make whatever he is in work. I am interested to see where everything goes because RAW is a clusterfuck and Edge vs Del Rio doesn't feel like a WrestleMania main event. Of course, 8 weeks of build and I'll probably be blowing 60 bucks like a crack whore. Elimination Chamber has 3 weeks build and could be very interesting since it is now the detour on the Road to WrestleMania.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's not a bad in-ring worker, by any means. I just have a problem with his god-awful blandness on the mic.

I guess you and Juan just disagree on him being bland on the mic. He's been one of the top promo guys on Smackdown for the last months. Even the World champion Edge has been pretty boring on the mic in that length of time. Other than Kanes Championship promos I don't think anybody has been more impressive in a short period of time than Alberto Del Rio.

It may be that what he says is some what simplistic but sometimes it is good to be short and sweet.

You're also missing the 2nd part of Del Rio: he does most of his talking in the ring and hires Ricardo Rodriquez to say it all in spanish.

Here is what Ricardo says in English:

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/smackdown/520370-ricardo-rodriguez-translated-introductions.html

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Del Rio is not cringe-worthy on the mic..
That's exactly how I describe his mic work.

[Lara Emily]

oh yea im not arguing that. JTG is over when he is on superstars. i will concede that argument to bryan. just thought it was funny in a situation where its face v heel, the heel out chanted the face.


It's less to do with a heel and more to do with it being CM Punk!

[Afterlife]

That's exactly how I describe his mic work.

He tends to make me roll my eyes and zone out. But then, I've seen "Abe's Tomb" about ten times, so I've built up a tolerance to bad line delivery.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Go back to the C-fed forum Jabba.

[James Steele]

Once again, Del Rio has only been in WWE for 6 months so he hasn't had a lot of chances to cut "epic promos" or whatever. I imagine that will soon change.

[Lara Emily]

I like Del Rio fine but there's 2 other heels who are way more over then him and could have won convincingly, Punk and Barrett. That being said he was my 3rd guy so I'm not pissed or anything.

[XCaliber]

They're trying to make new stars and this is their way of catapulting a new one but at the same time Del Rio hasn't really been around long enough to have that much credibility whereas guys like Punk and Orton do and having him win it entering so late into the match doesn't help matters but anywho he's great in the ring but he's good enough on the mic I suppose.

[Nowhere Man]

Can someone please show me a specific example of Del Rio being 'amazing' on the mic? I keep hearing all this talk about how good he is, but so far all I've seen is some pretty generic cocky-heel stuff.

When I think of a 'natural' on the mic, I think of someone like Jericho, or Foley, or even Flair back when you could understand what the hell he was saying. Someone who actually has something to say every time he comes out. Del Rio's promos have so far been pretty insubstantial, just "ha-ha, I'm going to ween because I am better than joo!" over and over again.

He's not bad, but I don't see what everyone's getting so worked up about.

[James Steele]

TPWW presents: FORUM CRASH OF THE CHAMPIONS 2011

Main Event: "We Are Juan" vs Del Rioverrated
James Steele vs James Steele's Patience (w/ Triple H)
Triple A vs The Server Load
<s>30</s> 40-Man Mutant Troll Battle Royale ***LARGEST IN TPWW HISTORY!***

[XCaliber]

30-Man Mutant Troll Battle Royale

Come on REALLY only 30?!?

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Go back to the C-fed forum Jabba.
Your contribution to the discussion is appreciated.

I'd tell you to go back somewhere, but I don't know who you are.

[James Steele]

Come on REALLY only 30?!?

Ok...I fixed it.

[Razzamajazz]

i managed to avoid seeing all the spoilers only to have booker's return spoiled by someone in the chat :foc:

diesel however was a huge surprise to me and was nice while it lasted

[RKO'em]

Aside from the slow beginnings to the singles matches, I thought the PPV was very entertaining. Too bad Booker and Nash didn't last longer though.

[Gass]

del rio won because wwe is trying to recapture its hispanic demographic.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That doesn't make a lot of sense because they would have chosen a face Mexican if that was their goal. Del Rio had to come out with Dos Caras Sr. to get a pop in Mexico during their tour.

[James Steele]

That doesn't make a lot of sense because they would have chosen a face Mexican if that was their goal. Del Rio had to come out with Dos Caras Sr. to get a pop in Mexico during their tour.

Are you saying Mexicans are too dumb to appreciate villains?

[Triple Naitch]

Loved this Rumble.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Are you saying Mexicans are too dumb to appreciate villains?

Yes.

[thedamndest]

No Usos in the Rumble = fail. This Rumble was awful.

[thedamndest]

Honestly Jay Uso would have been a better pick to win because Del Rio was not what I was expecting to happen.

[CSL]

Fuck the Usos, I'm bothered more by the Montreal II Nash robbery

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Nash needed to be eliminated by Wade Barrett after his disgusting comments toward Barrett's wife (not sure if he has one really though.)

[Lock Jaw]

Del Rio isn't terrible on the mic, but he hasn't shown "amazing" either.

JBL was amazing.

[CSL]

Nash is gonna powerbomb Barrett so hard he's going to wake up thinking he's in Cardiff doing jobs for Caiman again

[Tazz Dan]

So I haven't read this thread at all cause I'm on my phone. But I would love for Christian to return and win the title at EC, have Del Rio challenge him to continue that feud, and have Edge claim his rematch to make it a triple threat :drool: I apologize if somethinh similar has already been posted.

[Blitz]

Starting to wonder if you know what the word "opinion" means.
You'll have to elaborate on a post as stupid as this one.

[St. Jimmy]

I kind of saw Del Rio winning, but only because of the build. I was hoping he wouldn't. They have a lot (A LOT) of time to build to Mania. They are going to have to build Del Rio hard to make me think he deserves to be in the Main Event.

Elimination Chamber should be very interesting with all the characters we have running around currently.

[Blitz]

The Rumble did start to drag a bit in the middle, but that's to be expected with such a long match. It can't all be amazing surprises or perfect spots.

I didn't care for how Cena was booked. I have no issues with a main eventer being booked as main eventers. I have a problem with them being booked as superman. Having Cena and Swog do the same thing to a couple of guys that all of Nexus was doing just a bit earlier just doesn't work, regardless of whether it's entertaining or not (I'm of the opinion that it wasn't). It was the same old booking for Cena, where everything is a joke and it all just kind of slides off his back. I don't like that kind of booking. It's counterproductive.

I think they sort of missed out this year on the opportunity to make a star or two with the match. The final four (not counting Santino) was utterly predictable. I really would've liked to see Mason Ryan come in towards the beginning and last almost to the end (perhaps even outlasting Punk, which would've put some nice tension into the new Nexus, but it's probably too early for that sort of thing).

I'm interested to see how they follow up with the Santino thing. And I really hope they do, because otherwise that ending is just bizarre.

In closing, Alex Riley should dive over the top rope more often, because that shit was hot.

[Skippord]

I don't have any problem with Cena eliminating the Nexus, I just don't like how easy it looked.

[Johnny Vegas]

Any vids please??? I missed it b/c i was working on some marketing stuff :( Just some highlights !! Rep involved ;)

[Jordan]

I loved this PPV!

Ziggler/Edge was a Royal Rumble classic, and Miz/Orton was really good as well. The womens match was top form for that division and the Rumble was one of the most entertaining ever. I probably enjoyed it more than any Rumble I have ever seen.

[CSL]

Any vids please??? I missed it b/c i was working on some marketing stuff :( Just some highlights !! Rep involved ;)

<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HyjpHfhMOgc" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

This is all you need to see. It's gonna win at least 6 Slammys.

[Fignuts]

I dunno, none of the nexus guys have proven themselves to be huge threats. It's just their numbers game that is dominant. Booker T and Khali were kicking their asses too. Cena just did the same thing, but knocked them over the top rop in the process. Not a big deal to me.

[LoDownM]

I knew Booker and Nash were gonna be in the Rumble, but it was still a mark out moment.

[James Steele]

Booker T. looked pretty damn good considering he looked like shit the last time I saw him in TNA. Its amazing how Vince's checkbook always brings out the best in people.

[Lara Emily]

Booker T. looked pretty damn good considering he looked like shit the last time I saw him in TNA. Its amazing how Vince's checkbook always brings out the best in people.

Yeah and Nash didn't even blow his quad or anything.

[Juan]

I marked more for Nash's entrance than anything else he did. Looked like he was moving in slow motion.

I hadn't actually seen him in the ring in years tbh

[CSL]

Wasn't slow motion, that was just actual time, space and gravity slowing down due to every second being the greatest moment in wrestling history. He tends to have that effect on the earth and it's inhabitants. Like every moment he's in human sight becomes the ending to a Rocky film. I'm surprised you didn't see it in black and white tbh, some people have reported it.

[Juan]

I was just glad to be a part of it.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Regretting this now I'm in work. Energy drink hangover :(

[bostonbill41]

OK after reading this thread, kind of glad I didnt spend the money for the PPV. I'm not a Del Rio fan. We'll see how it plays out for Wrestlemania. Is he really what WWE wants to push from now til April?

[CSL]

Nash borderline no-selling the 619 was reason enough to order the show.

[Swiss Ultimate]

del rio won because wwe is trying to recapture its hispanic demographic.

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[Cool King]

I was going to post my thoughts last night, but TPWW died, which was no surprise, but the Royal Rumble match was great.

I would have marked out more about Booker T & Diesel's appearances if the idiots didn't post about it before the event. Especially in the thread titles.

But nonetheless, I enjoyed their appearances and I'm glad Del Rio won. The guy is amazing and I get the feeling he'll become champion at WrestleMania. It's been so long since a heel has won The Rumble and then went on to win the title at WrestleMania. It's such a "face thing" to do and if my memory serves me correctly, I think Yokozuna was the last heel to do that, way back in 1993 which is insane when you think about it. Even though he was champion for about 20 seconds due to Hogan, it still counts.

So yeah, I think The Royal Rumble was a good start for 2011 PPV's. :y:

[D Mac]

Just watched it. Amazing. Marked the fuck out for Diesel. Shocked to see Del Rio win it. I would have marked the fuck out if Santino actually pulled it off.

[Cool King]

I agree, but check this out

http://apps.facebook.com/polldaddy-polls/?view=poll&id=4473793&comment=964931&msg=new-comment#comment_964931

Pretty mind blowing comments.

It's so frustrating to see this level of stupidity in action.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs302.ash1/23103_1475515618_6966_q.jpg Lee Johnson

the awwwwful one won again, del ridiculous won the rumble, i'm so glad i couldn't get a ticket for wrestlemania ..... superstar showcase ?? hornswaddle was the only highlight of the night ....... what is the wwe playing at ??? commercial suicide ???? to be honest last night was so bad i dont event think i'll watch it on pay-per-view !!!!


I don't know if he's being serious or sarcastic.

I hope it's the latter though.

[D Mac]

I'm going on record to say Del Rio will not win the title.

[Cool King]

Also, I checked Wikipedia after the PPV and found some of the vandalism on The Royal Rumble article somewhat amusing.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4117/justbieberroyalrumblewi.png

[D Mac]

By the way. This is kinda weird but the look on Santinos face as he was setting up the cobra made me mark the fuck out. Like he was going to really win the thing.

[Cool King]

Yeah, he looked like he was going to cry.

A part of me did want to see him win though, just purely for the "Holy Shit" mark out moment factor.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Is there any doubt now that people are going to bitch and moan no matter what happens? For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about the established stars winning Rumble after Rumble after Rumble. For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about WWE not building new stars.

So what does WWE do? They use the Rumble to catapult a new guy into superstardom. And what does the IWC do? They bitch and moan about it.

I really don't understand why 75% of you even watch wrestling when you clearly don't enjoy it.

[Fignuts]

Totally forgot about Kane by the time the number 40 entry came up. Was positive it was going to be triple h. Just the way they had the camera, and how orton and cena were just sitting there waiting.

Also, I too believed in santino for a second there. Like in those 10 seconds were he came in and hit the cobra, my mind was going through a bazillion scenarios how santino could main event wrestlemania. As soon as he started celebrating, I knew it was over though.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Totally agree with Supreme. I mean, Nexus got me back into watching wrestling because before that wrestling was boring to me, so instead of complaining, I just stopped watching.

There were a couple of issues in that the WWE Title match wasn't amazing (but adequate at the very least) and the middle part with Cena and Horni dragged on a little long (But I refuse to believe you're human if you didn't get a smile from the mini-AA), but it didn't take the shine off a great event, especially a great bit of writing and performance from Santino due to the fact quite a lot of us believed he could actually do it.

If you judge WWE as a season from Mania to Mania, this year has been about building new stars and they have solidified The Miz and Del Rio now as top-level players. Like I said, Nexus got me back into WWE and I would have marked harder if Punk or Barrett picked up the win, but Punk doesn't need it and if rumors are to be trusted, Wade is in for big things at WM anyways.

If WWE wanted to play safe and probably bore me, they could have gone with a Orton-Cena-HHH Raw main event and a Edge/Rey-Taker SD main event. Instead we have something fresh and for me personally, something to look forward to.

[Fignuts]

My favorite rumbles are the ones where an up and comer wins it.

[Fignuts]

I do still think Del Rio isn't getting edge 1 on 1, and that Christian will make it a triple threat match.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I do still think Del Rio isn't getting edge 1 on 1, and that Christian will make it a triple threat match.

Think if Christian gets added to the mix, he'll either turn heel or they'll throw another heel in for a fatal-4-way.

[PorkSoda]

I read Booker T was involved last night somehow. What did he do?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I read Booker T was involved last night somehow. What did he do?

Came in, hit all his trademark moves on the Nexus and then got eliminated.

[Autobahn]

Never would have picked Del Rio to win given that the Royal Rumble is traditionally won by established stars. I'm interested
:y:

[Testicle]

Del Rio will probably lose his #1 contender spot to Mysterio somehow, and then we will get Mysterio vs. Edge.

Don't know why, just think its something they would do.

[JimmyMess]

Something that kind of irked me was when Chavo came in and hit the suplex move on everyone in the ring *shades of Eddie* and then stood up and did the Viva La Rasa shake *shades of Eddie* ... he barely was finishing the homage to Guerrero when he got decked... I mean I get it, I just thought it was a nice touch but if they had only let him do it for a second or two more it would have been much more memorable.... I don't know maybe I'm just being sappy...

[bostonbill41]

Is there any doubt now that people are going to bitch and moan no matter what happens? For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about the established stars winning Rumble after Rumble after Rumble. For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about WWE not building new stars.

So what does WWE do? They use the Rumble to catapult a new guy into superstardom. And what does the IWC do? They bitch and moan about it.

I really don't understand why 75% of you even watch wrestling when you clearly don't enjoy it.

Who the fuck are you to tell peole what they enjoy and dont enjoy?
The guy is lame and so is his shtick.

[Rammsteinmad]

I really liked the pop Chavo got. I thought it was a really nice moment.

Also, I too was marking out thinking Santino could win it. Of course as someone said above, once he started celebrating I knew it wasn't going to happen, but towards the end of the match I was kinda gutted that Santino had 'disappeared' and was wondering why everyone had forgotten about him.

[Rammsteinmad]

And in my opinion, Del Rio SHOULD MAIN EVENT Wrestlemania because he won the Royal Rumble, but I know that's not really the case anymore, and I'm fairly certain Del Rio won't be in the rinal match of the night.

[Cool King]

I really liked the pop Chavo got. I thought it was a really nice moment.

Yeah, me too.

I get the feeling that because of the pop he got, he might be given a face turn, which I think would be good.

[Nark Order]

Cannot even believe people are complaining about this rumble. Jesus fucking hell.

[Nark Order]

Is there any doubt now that people are going to bitch and moan no matter what happens? For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about the established stars winning Rumble after Rumble after Rumble. For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about WWE not building new stars.

So what does WWE do? They use the Rumble to catapult a new guy into superstardom. And what does the IWC do? They bitch and moan about it.

I really don't understand why 75% of you even watch wrestling when you clearly don't enjoy it.

[SaskatchewanChamp]

Is there any doubt now that people are going to bitch and moan no matter what happens? For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about the established stars winning Rumble after Rumble after Rumble. For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about WWE not building new stars.

So what does WWE do? They use the Rumble to catapult a new guy into superstardom. And what does the IWC do? They bitch and moan about it.

I really don't understand why 75% of you even watch wrestling when you clearly don't enjoy it.

Shut up you bitter cunt.

[MIZantine Empire]

By the way. This is kinda weird but the look on Santinos face as he was setting up the cobra made me mark the fuck out. Like he was going to really win the thing.
yea i know what you are saying..like he was over come with emotion knowing he was one person away from the biggest win in his career. its good to see some real emotion sometimes ya know?

[MIZantine Empire]

Came in, hit all his trademark moves on the Nexus and then got eliminated.
minus the houston hangover, or whatever he called his top rop move

[#BROKEN Hasney]

minus the houston hangover, or whatever he called his top rop move

Well yeah, but he only ever busted that out once in WWE.

[GD]

And in my opinion, Del Rio SHOULD MAIN EVENT Wrestlemania because he won the Royal Rumble, but I know that's not really the case anymore, and I'm fairly certain Del Rio won't be in the rinal match of the night.

I really hope that he gets the last match on the card.

[Rammsteinmad]

I doubt he will, unless he moves to Raw and feuds with John Cena.

Personally I REALLY enjoyed this Rumble. Probably my favourite to be honest. Lots of really memorable and cool moments that we've never seen before. Pretty much every wrestler involved was over as fuck. Booker T got an awesome pop. Chavo got a well deserved pop (which I don't think I've ever heard). The ending with Santino was fantastic, really had me believing for a brief second there! Even Hornswoggle actually entertained me here, he was pretty funny and I lol'd at his Attitude Adjustment. The whole Nexus/Corre angle was great. John Morrisons Parkour spot was incredible. Bryan/Punk starting off and Bryan getting some huge chants ('Let's go Bryan, Let's go Punk'). Seriously, this Rumble from top to bottom was amazing. However, only two complaints:

1. As usual, Cena and psychology is fucked up. Cena comes in, eliminates all the Nexus, then he goes down in that double clothesline with CM Punk, and he was acting as though he'd been in the match since the start. I'm like 'Come on Cena you're a fresh man and you've taken one clothesline!!!'. But no, he sold that fucker like it was a Tombstone Piledriver.

2. Del Rio winning. It's great that a rookie won it and someone who is really over, but I dunno, kinda gutted Christian didn't return and win it. And Del Rio isn't quite what I'd consider Wrestlemania Main Event material just yet, which is why I'm certain he won't be in THE main event (the final match of the night). But none-the-less the way he won it was great and still had me marking out that Alberto Del Rio actually won the Rumble match.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

1. As usual, Cena and psychology is fucked up. Cena comes in, eliminates all the Nexus, then he goes down in that double clothesline with CM Punk, and he was acting as though he'd been in the match since the start. I'm like 'Come on Cena you're a fresh man and you've taken one clothesline!!!'. But no, he sold that fucker like it was a Tombstone Piledriver.

I liked it. He had pure adrenaline and gassed himself eliminating Nexus then had the wind knocked out of him. Was good to me.

[Rammsteinmad]

I liked it. He had pure adrenaline and gassed himself eliminating Nexus then had the wind knocked out of him. Was good to me.

Oh yeah absolutely, I was trying to see it from this angle, but it just wasn't happening. Superman shouldn't get gassed after hitting a couple of moves.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Nights like last night are why I continue to watch. I don't fault WWE for pushing Cena and Orton through the roof. They are over as fuck, especially with their core audience. However, it does nothing for me personally, especially Cena's constant Superman pushes. It's a shame because despite what the IWC says, Cena is a good worker and can cut one of the best empassioned promos in the business. It's easy to forget that since he'll then turn into a kid-friendly comedian in the blink of an eye.

Anyway, as the match was winding down I didn't think there was a chance in hell that Cena or Orton weren't winning. Then they pull the shocker and had Del Rio win, and I marked out big time. That is why I continue to watch, because I know that despite it being predictable a decent amount of the time, they are still fully capable of surprising everybody.

The ending was still amazing the second time. If that wasn't enough to suspend your disbelief for at least a couple of seconds that Santino could actually win it, I don't know what to tell you.</font>

[Innovator]

Inno liked the show.

-Ziggler looked like he could hang with Edge, he should be champ on SD by year's end.

-If they're going with Orton vs. Punk, I hope they bring up Orton costing Punk his first title.

-Layla is hot.

-Punk/Bryan/Regal was awesome.

-Punk is awesome.

-Cena/Hornswoggle wasn't awesome.

-Chris Masters got the same reaction that Cena/Orton staredown got.

-I'm happy Del Rio won, doesn't hurt to go with the obvious pick when it's the right call.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Just incase nobody else posted it, here's a torrent from Demonoid Royal Rumble 2011 (http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2535632/?load_bal=3280362&show_files=&page=1)

[Rammsteinmad]

Also I don't think I've ever witnessed a Rumble countdown where the audience actually count in time with the clock.

[Rammsteinmad]

It's also on dailymotion. ;)

[Savio]

Is there any doubt now that people are going to bitch and moan no matter what happens? For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about the established stars winning Rumble after Rumble after Rumble. For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about WWE not building new stars.

So what does WWE do? They use the Rumble to catapult a new guy into superstardom. And what does the IWC do? They bitch and moan about it.

I really don't understand why 75% of you even watch wrestling when you clearly don't enjoy it.
I liked the rumble, It dragged in the middle a bit but besides that it was alright.

[bigslimjj]

That was a pretty good rumble. Morrison had the spot of the night. Del Rio winning was awesome,but not as awesome as Santino winningcould have been. For decades they have said "Anyone can win the Royal Rumble". They had a legit chance at a great,CLASSIC moment that they turned into a Russo finish.
This match was too long. Yes it was good. But the ppv felt like it was "Only" the Rumble match. The royal rumble has always been more then that. Having the two losers of the championship matches in the rumble,with no explanation, is stupid and lazy. It also takes away any reason to have the title matches in the first place.
Why exhaust yourself in a match when your 39 in the rumble as Randy was. Did he know he had that late number of a number? They didn't explain it. Why did Nexus attack Orton? Are they fighting with him now? Reminds me of Nexus attacking Undertaker at Buried alive. It makes no sense. Good rumble,not the best ever written. I'll still take 1998 as my favorite. But Del Rio winning is excellent. They got that part right.

[MIZantine Empire]

Well yeah, but he only ever busted that out once in WWE.
that being said, its still an awesome move, lol

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The reaction to the Santino thing is a microcosm of what bugs me about the IWC. They try to act like they're judging to product as an unbiased critic who knows what's best for the business. But in reality, they're judging it as a fan just like everybody else.

Something unexpected and really exciting happens and makes every fan cheer, even the cynics on the internet. But instead of taking the exciting moment all the way to the finish, they swerve it and dash everybody's hopes. The fans react by getting mad at the heel for ruining what could've been an incredible moment. The IWC reacts by getting mad at the writers and claiming it was poor booking. It wasn't poor booking. The whole point was to get your hopes up and then destroy them. It was fantastic booking that pulled at the emotions of even the most jaded fan who thinks he knows more than the marks. But he doesn't. And he got swerved.

[Gerard]

I marked more for Nash's entrance than anything else he did.


Well its not like you had much to choose from, he did a big boot, a couple of knees, fucked up the snake eyes and then got tossed out. :lol:

[Loose Cannon]

yea, great PPV. That fucking Morrison spot was out of this world. They finally did the spot I've been wanting to see forever with Santino. Like most of you I thought, omg, he's going to win it. Because they could of easily done an angle where Del Rio gets his Title shot back, but yea, as soon as he started celebrating, I was like fuckkkkk.

I hope they redo that spot some time down the line, but it's a heel and he wins that way.

Nash got tremendous pops. they will prob give him a one year deal.

Punk and Bryan had the best showings before they got eliminated from what i remember.

Only part I really didn't like was the whole Hornswoggle thing cause I hate the guy

surprised Kane got eliminated fairly quick.

Miz dumping Cena was great

Solid show overall.

[bigslimjj]

The reaction to the Santino thing is a microcosm of what bugs me about the IWC. They try to act like they're judging to product as an unbiased critic who knows what's best for the business. But in reality, they're judging it as a fan just like everybody else.

Something unexpected and really exciting happens and makes every fan cheer, even the cynics on the internet. But instead of taking the exciting moment all the way to the finish, they swerve it and dash everybody's hopes. The fans react by getting mad at the heel for ruining what could've been an incredible moment. The IWC reacts by getting mad at the writers and claiming it was poor booking. It wasn't poor booking. The whole point was to get your hopes up and then destroy them. It was fantastic booking that pulled at the emotions of even the most jaded fan who thinks he knows more than the marks. But he doesn't. And he got swerved.Yes they did a swerve but the question is, should they have? They could have written Santino out of the WM main event easily. They have preached about the randomness of the match since it started but no underdog has ever won it,and who more perfect to let win then Santino. I'm just saying I would have went the other way. I also think doing the swerve took away from Del Rio's win. It hurt it more then help it and really wasn't needed. I liked the match overall. But it was put together oddly in spots.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

How did it hurt Del Rio's win? Explain that to me.

[Jordan]

I am about to watch this again, truly one of the best PPV's WWE has had in over a decade. Since Wrestlemania 17 I think.

Edge/Ziggler was like watching a classic match with Bret Hart and Mr. Perfect. Excellently executed in every possible way. Even with the interference at the end, perfect.

Miz/Orton was slower, but a perfect brawl that put both guys on my top five in WWE list, as far as in ring work goes. Orton has some of the best punches in history.

Womens match was excellent, one of the best I have seen.

After the Rumble, I was so excited I watched the 92 Rumble match, and I am sure that was great at the time but I gotta put last nights above it. Perfect Rumble, the only questionable moment is Santino's bit at the end, but it didn't ruin it for me. I kinda just wish he would have won. That would have probably made Wrestlemania one of the most excited shows ever. Del Rio is more than suitable for the job, I just hope they find the right opponent for him at Wrestlemania.

Edge is a great choice as far as the quality of match goes. I am sure they would put on a classic, so I am all for that option. However, they could probably find a "bigger" match than Edge. Maybe Undertaker could return at Elimination Chamber and win the title and go against Del Rio, or even Triple H perhaps.

[Jordan]

By the way Punk is the most lovable heel I have ever seen.

[Rammsteinmad]

I really want to watch the entire Rumble match again, but damn it for being so long! Maybe tomorrow.

[Rammsteinmad]

Dunno if this was mentioned before and I'm not reading through this entire thread, but whatever... when Natalya applied that double Sharpshooter and the announcers are all 'we've never seen this before!' and 'this is history in the making!'.

She did it at the last PPV. :shifty:

And Lawler saying something to Cole about how he 'does his research' etc, yet supposedly they both have legit heat against Striker because he always does research and they find it annoying or something.

[Jordan]

Yeah I find the announcers heat really annoying. Stop trying to get yourself over and do your fucking job.

[Savio]

The reaction to the Santino thing is a microcosm of what bugs me about the IWC. They try to act like they're judging to product as an unbiased critic who knows what's best for the business. But in reality, they're judging it as a fan just like everybody else.
Same people who are saying Santino should have eliminated Del Rio would bitch about Santino winning becaus ehe is not Main Event material.

[Xero]

I hated the Santino bit because Santino is such a fucking joke. Was it bad? No, because Santino is actually over and it didn't hurt Del Rio. It DID hurt Del Rio to sell the Cobra, because it's such a ridiculously weak move from what is essentially a glorified jobber. When he did come back into the ring (and I had remembered he was still in minutes beforehand) I thought "oh shit, WWE isn't this stupid". I bought that they may give him the win. But not in a Lawler "oh shit he may win the title" way but in a "oh shit, WWE is making a huge fucking mistake" way.

Honestly, I was hoping for the self-elimination, and I actually thought it was going to happen, had Cena or Orton been the last one in the ring. That I wouldn't have had a problem with. In fact, I would have enjoyed it.

Unless they have plans for Santino to turn into a more serious character, I could have gone without seeing it. But I do get why they did it and in the end no one will remember it.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm hoping on Raw they make us remember and do something with it. Would love a Santino push to the upper mid-card, kinda do what they did with Kaientai where they had that title match where HHH was likely to squash but something happens (APA in that case) to even the odds.

Still unsure if it's my fave Rumble of all time, but that is my fave Rumble moment of all time. Actually jumped out of seat when he hit it :'(

[Lock Jaw]

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

They could even use it to make Santino go serious. He can still be jokey, but turn it on in the ring properly.

The Cobra is no worse than the 5 knuckle shuffle or peoples elbow.

[bigslimjj]

Same people who are saying Santino should have eliminated Del Rio would bitch about Santino winning becaus ehe is not Main Event material.I never bitch about something original and that would also be a "Shock pop" moment. I bet ratings would be much higher tonight on raw if he would have won the match. The sheer comic potential could have been the funniest thing since Austin/Angle/Cowboy hats.

[Xero]

They could even use it to make Santino go serious. He can still be jokey, but turn it on in the ring properly.

The Cobra is no worse than the 5 knuckle shuffle or peoples elbow.
I agree with the latter. But the 5KS is not a finisher and the People's Elbow is terrible. Actually, both are terrible.

If Santino was actually legit in the ring and not doing splits and whatever, I would be 100% fine with it. But it'd be like Doink the Clown, not Matt Bourne but some random jobber in like 2005 almost eliminating Batista with some ridiculous gimmick move.

The Cobra has to go in leui of something buyable. A poke is not a buyable finish that main eventers should be selling.

[Lock Jaw]

It's a strike to the throat. Jab yourself in the throat with your fingers, even lightly... no imagine it coming at you full force.

Its like.... an external Mandible Claw.

[Xero]

And it looks weak as shit.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

and he didn't win

so who cares?

[Xero]

Again, it won't matter at all. I completely admit this. It just looks weak as shit to see someone like Del Rio or ANYONE of worth selling that move. I'm talk about the move in general, really, not just this one instance.

[Xero]

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This has impact. This is my entire problem with the move. If it LOOKED devastating, it'd be fine. Santino is small, so it looks even weaker and it just looks like he half-asses it. There's no impact whatsoever.

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Completely different from the Spike.

[Jordan]

That move is fucking devastating, sickest finisher ever.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I mean if you're gonna start that argument then let's talk about how stupid it is for Randy Orton to use the RKO when his DDT should knock people unconscious every time.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

and the punt

[Rammsteinmad]

I don't see a problem with Del Rio selling it. If it had been someone like Big Show or Kane then it would have been a bit lame, and the spot where he tried it on Zeke was spot on. But Del Rio and Marella are both pretty much the same height, weight, build etc, I see no problem with Del Rio selling a jab to the throat.

[MIZantine Empire]

how come no one has mentioned the Edge pyro fail? lol he had a look on his face like FFFFUUUUUUUUU...i lold

[Nark Order]

Wrestling fans are the worst group of people on the entire planet. Ugh.

[Lara Emily]

Is there any doubt now that people are going to bitch and moan no matter what happens? For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about the established stars winning Rumble after Rumble after Rumble. For YEARS the IWC has been complaining about WWE not building new stars.

So what does WWE do? They use the Rumble to catapult a new guy into superstardom. And what does the IWC do? They bitch and moan about it.

I really don't understand why 75% of you even watch wrestling when you clearly don't enjoy it.

You spend more time bitching about people bitching then then bitching people do bitching.

[Nark Order]

There was nothing to complain about now shut the fuck up forever.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Please Lara, you're the worst offender on this site. By far. You think you know so much more than you do. And yeah I'm going to say something about it because it's people like you who ruin this site.

[Lara Emily]

How did it hurt Del Rio's win? Explain that to me.

Instead of eliminating Randy Orton to win the Rumble he sold the cobra and eliminated Santino to win the rumble. They also booked it so that Santino totally blew his own chance by dancing rather than getting down to business and going for the win right away, so in a way it becomes like Del Rio is lucky Santino was so stupid.

Not saying this is how I feel, in the long run it means shit just that's totally how some people could see it.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Meh, I just enjoy posting logic and positive thoughts. It makes them look leas human.

[Lara Emily]

I already said that this was a great PPV the first half of the rumble was some of the best action I've ever seen, and then while I think Barret or Punk should have won Del Rio is a fantastic choice. The Edge vs Ziggler match was a classic and I loved Nexus just coming in and costing Orton the title just because they can. It was a fantastic PPV

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Only way to settle this is Del Rio V Santino at Elimination Chamber.

I will pay if that match is announced.

[DrA]

The Cobra actually looked pretty nasty when he hit it on Del Rio. It came out of nowhere and was sold really well. What got to me was how predictable the commentators are now. I suppose they always were, but when they started screaming "OH MY GOD SANTINO IS GOING TO WIN IT," it pretty much spoiled what was going to happen. They need to tone it down.

[Lara Emily]

The Cobra actually looked pretty nasty when he hit it on Del Rio. It came out of nowhere and was sold really well. What got to me was how predictable the commentators are now. I suppose they always were, but when they started screaming "OH MY GOD SANTINO IS GOING TO WIN IT," it pretty much spoiled what was going to happen. They need to tone it down.

Yeah same thing happened when Ziggler hit the ZigZag Cole was screaming so much that we was gonna win that it was obvious gonna be just a two count.

[MikeyMike]

Did anyone catch what Cena said to Cole when he walked over to the announce desk?
I didn't hear what he said.

[MikeyMike]

Striker mentioned Cena saying "Your boy...is done".

Cheers dude.

[Triple Naitch]

Just rewatched the Rumble match. Loved every minute of it.

[Optimus Bone 69]

Loved it would have liked more booker and diesel tho

[Loose Cannon]

Santino's spot was nothing more then a fun spot for the audience. no harm done to anyone. It's classic WWE booking the past four years. They love to write silly shit like that and make people laugh. The cobra is just a silly move that everyone knows can't do anything, but it's funny when people sell it. It entertains. The crowd popped for it last night. I'm pretty sure that's the reaction they wanted.

It really was a great spot. Whether they did it or not doesn't really play a factor in how credible Del Rio looks to the audience. The days of killing somebody's heat because they sold for a comedy act are long over.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Didn't get a chance to reply due to server problems, but I enjoyed the PPV overall. Rumble had some lulls, but that's to be expected when you expand to 40 for no good reason. Excited about where they'll go with Del Rio after the win. I've enjoyed him, and while he isn't going to be giving a compelling 10-minute monologue exploring the dark corners of his mind anytime soon, I think he's fun to watch and his mannerisms inside the ring even when he's not talking add to everything.

Elsewhere, they used the PPV to wrap up old feuds (Cena/Nexus) or start new ones (Nexus/Orton, Cena/Miz). Pretty good way to start the year, IMO.

[Tommy Gunn]

Can you dig it, SUCKAH? Oh yeah, mark out of the night for me. Topped by mega-mark out of the night when Super Shredder turned up.

[Fignuts]

Instead of eliminating Randy Orton to win the Rumble he sold the cobra and eliminated Santino to win the rumble. They also booked it so that Santino totally blew his own chance by dancing rather than getting down to business and going for the win right away, so in a way it becomes like Del Rio is lucky Santino was so stupid.

Not saying this is how I feel, in the long run it means shit just that's totally how some people could see it.

Lara, I believe you are overthinking things with this post, and generally making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Lara Emily]

Lara, I believe you are overthinking things with this post, and generally making a mountain out of a molehill.


Yup I thought it was funny, maybe a little silly, but I don't think it ruins ADR just someone asked how it could and that;'s probably the reason a lot of those people would give

[Skippord]

I didn't like the Santino thing because I hate Santino with a passion, but I don't have any problem philosophically