2-21-11

[Rollermacka]

It's actually gonna be Goldust in a new bizzare, darker look. He's gonna walk around with a rat and put on about 60 lbs, but not in a good way. He's also gonna have a sidekick named eviaN (thats Naive spelled backwards)

[XL]

Don't be so foolish! Goldust has never worn a trenchcoat/been seen in a similar warehouse/coffin workshop so it can't possibly be him! :roll:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I thought he was "retired byyyyyyyyyyyye!"

[Nightwing]

Its Undertaker with a new hat.

[Swish]

So will they air another promo for this persons debute/return tonight?

[Jeritron]

Meltzer says there has been no contract with Sting and WWE, but if there was they wouldn't tell that piece of shit.

Didn't Meltzer try to say that the Bret Hart rumors were bullshit last winter? I honestly don't fully remember but I think he did.

[Mr. C]

Will we see a new one tonight or just a repeat of last week’s, and if we do get one, will it be just as cryptic or more revealing?

I vote a new one and just as cryptic.

[XL]

I'd hope that each one would give another little hint. Like the "Save Us Y2J" packages.

[Jeritron]

Yea. I'm pretty sure that if it's different every week they will get increasingly suggestive.

By the end of the Jericho vignettes, they all but said it. If it is Sting, I bet they will show the bat or a glimpse of his makeup or something really obvious the week or night before.
If that's what they're giving us, they will want the fans to know so they make sure to tune in.
But who knows if it will end up being him.

If it's Taker, it will be more obvious in a few weeks.

[loopydate]

If it's Taker, it will be more obvious in a few weeks.

Like advertising "The return of The Undertaker" in the local market.

[Jeritron]

I think that's a given anyways. It's not like The Undertaker returning at some point before Wrestlemania is a big secret.

Maybe they'll put scorpions and baseball bat hints in the vignettes with no intentions of it ever being Sting

[Savio]

2-21-11
S HA WN

[Savio]

2-21-11
G OW EN

[Mooияakeя™]

2-21-11
R-OC-KY

OMFG. NO WAI! Can't wait.

[Beth Phoenix Fan]

2-21-11
S TE VE


(Blackman)

[Mr. C]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs275.snc6/180340_196849273664690_190656814283936_834042_5637191_n.jpg

[The Naitch]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs275.snc6/180340_196849273664690_190656814283936_834042_5637191_n.jpg

that's not official, some fan made that, it was on Right After Wrestling last week

[The Naitch]

2-21-11
S TE VE


(Blackman)

will headcheese make an apperance?

[Mr. C]

that's not official, some fan made that, it was on Right After Wrestling last week

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought for sure that Sting had officially signed with WWE.

[The Show Off]

2-21-11
S TE VE


(Borden)

Fixed.

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.cheapdvdsandmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/aes/Cheap-DVDs-and-Movies_261.jpg

Why So Serious Taker?

[CSL]

You'll have some of the monkeys on here believing the ghost of Heath Ledger has signed with WWE now.

[Fignuts]

Right then, it's taker.

[Eklipse]

Undertaker. 100%.

/Thread.

[Indifferent Clox]

undertaker

[CSL]

Quick, lets see how many more idiots we can get in here to say Undertaker after Fignuts. Starting
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[loopydate]

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[loopydate]

And yes, I'm aware that I'm an idiot 'cause CSL said anybody that posted after him that said it was Undertaker was.

Shucks.

[CSL]

I didn't say anything like whoever posted after me was an idiot. I merely extended an invitation.

[Savio]

Its not taker it's:

http://www.maniastore.com/catalog/images/T_quaker.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Wrestlemania guest host is obviously 117% for sure Sting now




:shifty:

[Jordan]

LOL

[BizarroKing]

2-21-11
A NG LE

[DrCrawford]

again, just because taker is coming back doesnt mean sting couldn't appear.

who knows what will happen, but it seems apparent taker is coming back soon, and that its a definite that the guest host will also be announced. now if it is sting, wouldn't that fit perfectly with taker appearing then sting challening him the week he appears?

they didn't hype taker like this last year, even though i swear he gets injured every time he as a match

im still hoping its going to be something juicy, otherwise its a big let down. just have taker appear out of no where like he used to, no reason to build up his return with the mustard spots all over his face

[weather vane]

Sting is no longer on the TNA roster page

[Jeritron]

The Johnny Cash song obviously leads one to believe it's Taker now, but that doesn't mean it couldn't still have something to do with Sting.
The obvious assumption is that Sting would be involved with Taker anyways, so what's to say that it isn't having to do with both (i.e. Sting digging Taker up).
Not likely, but they could make it this way if anything changed.

I know it's almost certainly not Sting now, but I also don't think it's 100% out of the question. It probably is, but who knows.

But based on the buzz and overwhelming reaction to this whole thing, WWE could probably make an effort to get ahold of Sting and turn this into him if it isn't already.
If they can. Probably not enough time.

[Droford]

Its a fake Undertaker

[Swish]

The Johnny Cash song obviously leads one to believe it's Taker now, but that doesn't mean it couldn't still have something to do with Sting.
The obvious assumption is that Sting would be involved with Taker anyways, so what's to say that it isn't having to do with both (i.e. Sting digging Taker up).
Not likely, but they could make it this way if anything changed.

I know it's almost certainly not Sting now, but I also don't think it's 100% out of the question. It probably is, but who knows.

But based on the buzz and overwhelming reaction to this whole thing, WWE could probably make an effort to get ahold of Sting and turn this into him if it isn't already.
If they can. Probably not enough time.

Isn't STING's fav artist Johnny Cash though?.

[Jeritron]

I don't know but I have a hard time believing that the right amount of Cash couldn't land Sting in WWE overnight. And it would sorta be worth it, since there isn't a really huge match at Mania this year.
WWE can probably more than afford to pay him more than he could resist. Then again, even though this is a big match for the fans I don't know if it's something WWE is willing to bend over backwards for.

[Jeritron]

What's the most money a wrestler has ever been paid for one match/angle?

Is that known?

[CSL]

Tyson got $3/3.5m for his 1998 appearances and Mayweather got $2m and maybe some kind of backside cut for his 'run'. Don't think those have been topped anywhere else.

[James Steele]

I thought Floyd Mayweather got paid $20,000,000 for WrestleMania XXIV.

:shifty:

[James Steele]

http://www.wwe-wallpapers.info/data/media/2/million-dollar-mania-wallpaper-1280x1024.jpg

[James Steele]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0dJA1Mm2Mu41A/610x.jpg

[XL]

I'm still waiting for shit to fly around the room and to hear a disembodied voice say "Help me".

2-21-11
J-AC-OB

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I'm still waiting for shit to fly around the room and to hear a disembodied voice say "Help me".

2-21-11
J-AC-OB

The next promo will simply say "Don't tell him what he can't do!"

2-21-11
L-OC-KE

[Londoner]

All this hype got me thinking abit...maybe it could be Sting V Taker at WM? :shifty:

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Too much coincidence that they are giving it's Undertaker..

There has to be someone else that is going to show up. Whether that's Steve Austin, The Rock, Triple H, or Sting is TBD.

[Savio]

"Aint no grave can hold me down" can only mean one thing.

Al Wilson is coming back from the dead.

[Jura]

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[Mr. C]

A couple of things still don’t make sense to me. First obviously being the fact that it’s going to happen on RAW. The other thing is that if you were to bring back The Undertaker, why do it on RAW and not the night before?

I won’t be swayed all because “There Ain’t No Grave” played in the promo. I laugh at how many people have changed their minds all because of a song. Yes, I know it’s the same song used for Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker, but that doesn’t explain why it’s so mysterious. What’s the point of making it mysterious? Why not just acknowledge it as Undertaker like they’ve done in all the rest of his promos? I’m sorry, but that’s not enough for me, and I refuse to let myself be swayed by a song. At the end of the day, it’s just likely a swerve to throw everyone off.

It would be cool if on the 20th (Elimination Chamber), Undertaker comes out in the last segment of the show. Then, the lights flicker, and the 2 21 11 shows up to end the show.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The next promo will simply say "Don't tell him what he can't do!"

2-21-11
L-OC-KE

W-AA-LT!!!!!!!!!

[The Naitch]

Why can't Sting use this Johnny Cash song? It suits this (new WWE_style) character. Old WCW guys were tweaked abit when they came to WWE. Sting as the man in black works IMO

If you're really dismissing that it's not Sting, then it has to be Eric Bischoff then. Because Bischoff had Back In Black as his first WWE theme :shifty:

[CSL]

Only thing that makes me think it might not be Taker is that it's a bit too obvious with the grave reference, almost like they want you to think it's Taker, otherwise why the mystery? If the next promo or 2 make it blatantly obvious after 3 or 4 weeks it's Taker it'll be kind of 'oh, no shit :-\'. Who knows though.

[CSL]

Current official TPWW odds

Undertaker 1/5
Sting 12/1
Mordecai 200/1
Prince Albert 500/1
Johnny Cash 10000/1

[thedamndest]

Undertaker would be escaping from his literal grave. Sting would be escaping from TNA.

[Skippord]

I'll put 50 dollars on Johnny Cash

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The thing is - if it is Taker, why a video package? Why not paranormal shit as per usual? Do Taker's paranormal activities include making a video with Johnny Cash music?

Also, why Raw? Why not Elimination Chamber?</font>

[Fox]

I love all the speculation, but it's pretty obvious that on 2-21-11 it will be "SHOWTIME!"

I mean what do they have to do? Hit you over the head with a black taped up bat?

[Innovator]

I'll take the odds on Mordecai teased with the money line for Sting.

[Mooияakeя™]

IMO, it's definitely Sting. It's too short for taker. Plus, they've hijacked it from his WCW days. How they remember him. Yep, 100% convinced it's "The Stinger, Steve Borden" as Shavone would say.

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[Nark Order]

Think it might be time to let the Sting thing go.

[Innovator]

You're talking to the forum that still thinks the Rock is coming back to wrestle ANY DAY NOW.

[Savio]

Inno is right it is definitely The Rock

[Mooияakeя™]

Meh, we'll see.

BTW, most successful TAKER707 thread ever. I don't know how to accept this.

[Jeritron]

That youtube is ridiculous, but I agree that I just don't feel like it's Taker. Despite the Johnny Cash song, I still don't feel like it's the type of thing they'd normally do for the Undertaker's umpteenth return. Something is off/different about it. It's the type of vignette they run for a new gimmick or debuting wrestler.

Just my feeling. It doesn't mean anything and it's probably not Sting, but we'll see.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Let's say for arguments sake it WAS Sting. I would love it if they kept with the slight Taker references in the videos without making it completely obvious it is about him. Then have Sting come out dressed in Taker gear with his head down so you can't see his face and it isn't til he gets into the ring and the lights come on that he raises his head, takes off the hat and reveals the white and black face paint.

Won't happen though, it's probably just Taker.

[Jeritron]

Taker or not, there's something different about it. Maybe a new incarnation of The Undertaker but I doubt that too, at this stage.

I dunno. Maybe it's just me. It certainly has me interested. It feels too hyped and produced to be something so obvious/normal. Taker leaves and returns multiple times a year.

[Nark Order]

Think there is quite the height difference between them though.

[Nark Order]

To Iginfest

[Supreme Olajuwon]

HBK did the Taker impersonation once in like 97 and he's 6'1 or something.

[XL]

I love all the speculation, but it's pretty obvious that on 2-21-11 it will be "SHOWTIME!"
2-21-11
P-ER-CY

[ooTin]

Ok guys its not Sting...

1. One thing about guys who come to WWE who were once famous in WCW is that they always have to job to Triple H. Goldberg, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Hogan, Nash, Flair... I know if I think there is probably another one in there. I think Sting should try and stay away from that list.

2.If Sting signs with WWE, his legacy lies in the hands of a guy he said he would never work for. If he truly wants to go work for Vince McMahon, he is taking a risk.

3.If Sting were to wrestle at the biggest show of the year, it would no doubt be against The Undertaker. The Undertaker will never lose at Wrestlemania. Is this the way Sting should make his debut?

4.Sting is 51 years old. Does he really want to take such a huge risk in his career at this point? In wrestling, anything is possible. However, I don't see Sting agreeing to any kind of full-time schedule. However, if Jerry Lawler and Ric Flair can do it, I know Sting can.

5.I don't know Sting, but he seems like a pretty respectable guy. Does he really want to go against his word and join WWE? He said in an interview years ago that he would never join.

6.If you look at the history between WWE and other legends, one thing seems to always come in the way: money. Hulk Hogan turned down huge money to appear at Wrestlemania 20, 23 and 25 because it just wasn't enough for The Hulkster. If Vince McMahon would somehow low-ball the biggest draw in wrestling history, how much money would he be willing to hand out to Sting?

7.If there was any time to bring Sting into WWE, it would have been when WCW was purchased. Why the hell didn't Vince McMahon just splurge a little and bring the right talent in to make the storyline and brand work? Oh yeah, The XFL. The ship has sailed. These 2-21-2011 things are obviously The Undertaker, so don't get your hopes up.

8.If this were to be done before Wrestlemania, the ice would've been shattered on this story already. There is not enough time to truly build a program for Wrestlemania at this point. I could see something immediately after Mania to help the yearly post-Wrestlemania lull, but it is highly unlikely.

9.This is the most simple reason: WWE has zero interest in Sting. I really think that if Vince wanted to bring Sting in that bad, it would've happened a long time ago. Money talks and Sting would listen. With the current youth movement, Sting wouldn't quite fit into the WWE mold. He would provide us old school fans with some amazing moments and nostalgia, but this isn't what WWE really wants to do at this point. In conclusion, I hope I am wrong on all fronts here. As a loyal, old school wrestling fan, I'd love to see Sting finish his career the right way inside the WWE squared circle

[Jeritron]

2.If Sting signs with WWE, his legacy lies in the hands of a guy he said he would never work for. If he truly wants to go work for Vince McMahon, he is taking a risk.



His legacy already lies in the hands of Vince. What do you think, people are going to know him for his TNA matches in 20 years?
Vince owns the WCW tape library and is the first and last word in mainstream wrestling media.
Whatever someone knows about Sting in 20 years is going to be through WWE. If WWE doesn't want to promote him, they won't. Just ask Randy Savage.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Think there is quite the height difference between them though.

I did think of that and that's just another reason why it probably won't happen. Although I'm sure if the arena was dark enough it'd be a bit hard to tell the height of the shadowy figure walking to the ring.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't wanna go through this whole thread even though I'm sure the discussion is compelling, but I didn't know if any of you fucksuckers had seen this vid

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[Jeritron]

Again, I in no way am insisting that it's still Sting, but why are people refusing to wrap their mind around the concept that Undertaker returning and Sting debuting couldn't happen on the same show and be related to one another?

[Jeritron]

Such a grand and impossible idea that the vignettes lead to Sting physically digging Undertaker up.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I see the video has already been posted. YAY!

[ooTin]

His legacy already lies in the hands of Vince. What do you think, people are going to know him for his TNA matches in 20 years?
Vince owns the WCW tape library and is the first and last word in mainstream wrestling media.
Whatever someone knows about Sting in 20 years is going to be through WWE. If WWE doesn't want to promote him, they won't. Just ask Randy Savage.

....Sting owns Sting... why do you think WWE has not put out anything with sting in it?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

.................and Vince owns all the evidence that Sting ever existed..................

[ooTin]

Thats true but Vince can not touch any part of WCW with sting on, in, or involved with it. I would not rule out a Legends Contract with WWE. The production of action figures, DVDs and induction into the Hall of Fame are just a few benefits that both parties could receive with some kind of but as far as a full or part time wrestling agreement.... I just dont see it happening.

[Swish]

I don't wanna go through this whole thread even though I'm sure the discussion is compelling, but I didn't know if any of you fucksuckers had seen this vid

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This is what bugs me, we have the 2/21/11 video and then we have this one which is telling everyone that Undertaker is returning. If they are hyping the 2/21/11 then why release this raw one saying Undertaker will return?.

Because the 2/21/11 is not Undertaker yes he will return on this date, but someone else is also making an appearance. Think about it what reason does Undertaker have being on Raw?. Their is Nexus yes we sure don't want to see another Taker vs Kane mania match..

Now let's think about this TNA take Sting down from the Roster right after the 2nd teaser for 2/21/11 was brought out. Why take it down then?.

I know Sting has said he'd never work for Vince but Bret Hart also said he'd never return to the company again after what happened. But look what did happen Bret returned and made peace with both Vince and HBK!!!..

Another thing which has questioned this has been the music played in the recent promo by Johnny Cash, It's been played before in one of Undertakers videos. It doesn't really mean it could be Undertaker returning. (Undertaker has already been slated to return on this date.)

WWE Have used the same music more than once in other promo's look back as far as 1997. or towards the attitude era. I also remembered hearing that Sting also liked Johnny Cash, and maybe this was the choice..

[Jordan]

It is so obviously The Undertaker, god your fucking stupid.

[Swish]

It is so obviously The Undertaker, god your fucking stupid.

And so the fuck are you, you cunt. Seriously wait and see.
Then I can fucking rub this shit in your damned face.

[Jeritron]

Thats true but Vince can not touch any part of WCW with sting on, in, or involved with it. I would not rule out a Legends Contract with WWE. The production of action figures, DVDs and induction into the Hall of Fame are just a few benefits that both parties could receive with some kind of but as far as a full or part time wrestling agreement.... I just dont see it happening.


http://www.pwmania.com/specials/wcwdvd.jpg

Who's that fella to the left of Billy Goldberg?

[Jeritron]

I'm pretty sure Sting matches have been on dvds the WWE sells

[Jeritron]

http://www.wrestling101.com/home/wp-content/gallery/wwe-dvd-covers/starrcade-the-essential-collection-dvd-cover.jpg

Pretty prominent placement for a guy they're not allowed to market.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

can't really tell who's behind the makeup

easily could've been a Sting clone

probably the guy who played Cobra back in the day

[Volare]

For the sake of wanting to be surprised, I'm probably going to stay away from the site on Monday, just to try and get an old fashoned mark out moment.

[Fignuts]

I like how we are on page 9, and we're still getting jokes like "IT'S BIEBER" or "IT'S AL WILSON".

Joke hasn't staled at all. Keep it up.

[Fignuts]

So many clever people on these forums.

[James Steele]

IT IS GOING TO BE THIS MAN... (not Triple H)

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How did y'all not recognize that coat?
http://sportsworld-usa.com/images/uploads/bagwell.jpg

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[XL]

....Sting owns Sting... why do you think WWE has not put out anything with sting in it?
Because he worked for the "competition" maybe?

[XL]

As far as the music goes, I haven't even considered the fact that it was used before for a Taker promo - as somebody said, they reuse music all the tme. It's the words that stand out to me.

"No grave can hold me" or words to that effect. Funny that last time we saw Taker he was buried alive...in a grave.

That's not to say that I think it wil definately be Taker. In fact I think it's an awful way to do it tbh.

[XL]

Also, why would Sting be digging Taker out of the grave? And how would it lead to a fued between the two?

[Fignuts]

Well, as proven above, they've put out a lot of stuff with sting in it over the years, despite him being the top wrestler of their competition.

That to me, shows a great deal of respect, and should put a stop to any arguements of him not being used right.

I believe you literally can't misuse Sting at this point. He's way too big of an icon. Yeah, people like Booker T and DDP were misused, but who the fuck were they? By the time they were main event, WCW was a joke.

Sting is a living legend. Even if they tried to bury him(which they aren't stupid enough to do), the fans wouldn't buy it at all.

Any talk of WWE misusing him is nonsense to me. I know WWE has become this entertainment thing, as far from traditional wrestling as you can get, outside of comedy promotions. But I believe vince still has enough respect for what came before, to give sting the proper treatment.

[RKO'em]

So I heard It's gonna be Sting.

:D

[TheAdamEvansFan]

I would think that if Sting wasn't coming to the WWE, that he'd mention that to someone with all the rumors going around.

Sting just doesn't fit in TNA atm. He doesn't like that edgyness that TNA has turned into as it's exactly why he didn't go to the WWF/E.

Now WWE is PG and he can sell merchandise and be on a legends contract while pushing his wrestling school to have closer ties to WWE.

[Brigstocke]

HHH hasn't made his anticipated return yet lads, lets not forget that.

[Brigstocke]

Look closely at how the feet in the video's are slightly turned out and the sheer size of the entertaining back under that jacket.

[erickman]

Well, as proven above, they've put out a lot of stuff with sting in it over the years, despite him being the top wrestler of their competition.

That to me, shows a great deal of respect, and should put a stop to any arguements of him not being used right.

I believe you literally can't misuse Sting at this point. He's way too big of an icon. Yeah, people like Booker T and DDP were misused, but who the fuck were they? By the time they were main event, WCW was a joke.

Sting is a living legend. Even if they tried to bury him(which they aren't stupid enough to do), the fans wouldn't buy it at all.

Any talk of WWE misusing him is nonsense to me. I know WWE has become this entertainment thing, as far from traditional wrestling as you can get, outside of comedy promotions. But I believe vince still has enough respect for what came before, to give sting the proper treatment.

yeah i see him going to wwe, jr and the wwe have been talking for the last 3 years of putting him in the hall. i don't think he will wrestle in wrestlemania though, he could be a guest ref or the guest host. someway he screws taker so the next ppv he and taker can fued.

[Attitude99]

5.I don't know Sting, but he seems like a pretty respectable guy. Does he really want to go against his word and join WWE? He said in an interview years ago that he would never join.


A Guy Named Bret Hart said something similar when he was screwed by vince. 13 years later, well i'm sure you already know the story. But Still Think It Will Be The Undertaker.

[loopydate]

Another thing which has questioned this has been the music played in the recent promo by Johnny Cash, It's been played before in one of Undertakers videos. It doesn't really mean it could be Undertaker returning. (Undertaker has already been slated to return on this date.)

They put it there because they did a Taker hype video on 1/31 and everybody went nuts saying "OMG IT'S STING! OMGOMGOMG!"

Since they don't have Sting, they needed to put something that was more obviously 'Taker in this week's promo so that people won't boo him when he shows up on the 21st because "YOU PROMISED US STING AND IT'S NOT STING!"

Smart move on WWE's part to give us something that is so clearly 'Taker, yet ambiguous enough that people think it might not be him so they continue to create intrigue going into the 21st.

[ace3025]

Its obviously one of two guys ...... its either Seven's WWE debut (2+2+1+1+1) or the Kiss Demon. these two guys can be the only true payoffs worth all of this hype.

[whiteyford]

2.If Sting signs with WWE, his legacy lies in the hands of a guy he said he would never work for. If he truly wants to go work for Vince McMahon, he is taking a risk.

3.If Sting were to wrestle at the biggest show of the year, it would no doubt be against The Undertaker. The Undertaker will never lose at Wrestlemania. Is this the way Sting should make his debut?

4.Sting is 51 years old. Does he really want to take such a huge risk in his career at this point? In wrestling, anything is possible. However, I don't see Sting agreeing to any kind of full-time schedule. However, if Jerry Lawler and Ric Flair can do it, I know Sting can.


6.If you look at the history between WWE and other legends, one thing seems to always come in the way: money. Hulk Hogan turned down huge money to appear at Wrestlemania 20, 23 and 25 because it just wasn't enough for The Hulkster. If Vince McMahon would somehow low-ball the biggest draw in wrestling history, how much money would he be willing to hand out to Sting?



Like Jeritron pointed out,theres plenty of Sting stuff on dvds, there was even a 3 dvd set planned with a release date last year that got aborted in the hopes of signing him and having him feature on it.

He would have to lose to the Undertaker on his debut....you realise its worked right? A guy can lose and still look strong, HBK did it twice.

Sting wouldnt work a fulltime schedule. If hes working tv/ppvs and the occasional house show for TNA, and im sure he lives near the studios, and getting paid a reported $500k a year then Vince is gonna give a deal to match that as best he can.

And yeah Hogan gets offered millions every year to make a return a Wrestlemania, hes on Bubba the love sponge every year telling him:roll:

[The Naitch]

fuck all you faggots

Sting & The Undertaker vs. Kane & Wade Barrett

It's a win/win situation. Taker keeps his streak, and Sting gets a victory at WrestleMania

The whole thing about Sting not wanting to work for Vince is garbage. Didn't Bret Hart come back for WrestleMania 26. I DUNNO

If it's not Sting, I will quit TPWW forever

[XL]

Kinda hope it's NOT Sting now :p

[The Naitch]

:naughty:

[Mr. C]

I doubt it’s The Undertaker. If it was him, why do they need such mystery?

Something in this screams swerve, you see the boots, the coat. Yet, they won’t show anything but the knees down.

[loopydate]

I doubt it’s The Undertaker. If it was him, why do they need such mystery?

It's got us talking.

[Eklipse]

How can anyone really still have any doubts that it's Undertaker?
What do they have to do?
Play his intro music?
Seriously...

[Jura]

Okay what if it doesn't turn out to be him? Will you eat a Sprite can?

[Juan]

I don't see how anyone can be certain one way or another about who the promos are for. Some people seem really convinced.

[Lock Jaw]

It is quite easy to be convinced that it is Undertaker, because it quite obviously is The Undertaker.

Can't understand the people who think that is obviously is NOT Taker because Taker doesn't need hype. That logic seems to fail on me.

[ooTin]

fuck all you faggots

Sting & The Undertaker vs. Kane & Wade Barrett

It's a win/win situation. Taker keeps his streak, and Sting gets a victory at WrestleMania

The whole thing about Sting not wanting to work for Vince is garbage. Didn't Bret Hart come back for WrestleMania 26. I DUNNO

If it's not Sting, I will quit TPWW forever

No you wont you lying sack of crap lol :D

[thebladejob.com]

With all the buzz surrounding the 2.21.11 Promo that aired on Raw there has been rampant speculation on the internet about who the “man in the rain coat seeking shelter from a monsoon in a secluded desert shack” could be. The possible candidates, for the most part, have been narrowed down to two. The safe bet is a returning Undertaker while the long-shot is a debuting Sting. More likely than not the “anonymous wet desert dweller” will turn out to be the Deadman returning from the grave yet again. But what if it turned out to be the more far fetched choice of the Stinger? What would that mean to the wrestling world?

TNA could have lost its Icon for good
No wrestler in the history of TNA has been more important than Sting. There could possibly be arguments made for Kurt Angle, AJ Styles, or Jeff Jarrett but the statistics would quickly silence them. He is called TNA’s Icon for a reason. Nobody has enjoyed a more consistent run in the company’s main event scene than the Stinger. Out of the six Bound For Glory mega Pay-Per-Views TNA has produced Sting has main evented four. When a promotion puts on its most important show it turns to its most important star. In addition to being a 3x (NWA)TNA World Heavyweight Champion, Sting has helped make new stars in TNA for example: AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, and Matt Morgan. Perhaps more important than that, Sting has a recognizable face to a wide range of fans including the casual fans that does not watch as frequently as they did in the 80s and 90s. But when they flip on Spike TV looking for a marathon of UFC Unleashed or 1,000 Ways to Die and they catch a glimpse of Sting’s painted mug they’ll stay and watch for a while because it conjures up memories of their childhood where it was okay to watch pro wrestling. In order for TNA to attract fans their audience has to give a shit about your characters so their willing to invest they’re time into your TV show and money to your live events and Pay-Per-Views. Sting is someone that the fans care about. If Sting has signed a deal with WWE or does in the future it will probably close the door on a return to TNA. A WWE deal complete with a nice salary and Wrestlemania bonus would probably land the Icon enough cash to hang up his black boots for good. It also would allow him the chance to go out like a legend should, on top.

Wrestlemania 27 Gets a boost of interest
Let’s face it this year’s ‘Mania lineup is lacking a definite “it” factor. While the tentative card seems to consist of some interesting match-ups, it does not yet have the feel of the biggest show of the year. Wrestlemania has a spectacular lure associated with it, but it’s not supported by the proposed plans. However, if Sting is thrown into the mix (a WCW legend in the defunct organization’s former capital city of Atlanta Georgia) then WWE would be onto something special. Wrestling fans have waited for Sting to make the jump up north since he made his name in the NWA almost a quarter century ago. There was a long stretch where it looked like there was zero chance the Stinger would ever cross the line into WWE territory. But now it seems like the planets have aligned and there is a small seemingly perfect sized window for both Vince McMahon and Steve Borden to capitalize. His arrival would bring up so many burning questions. Questions that can only be answered by watching hours of WWE programming. Questions like: why did he come? who would he face at his first ever Wrestlemania? Does he still have what it takes to perform on a grand stage?

Sting cements his legacy
Barring an utterly embarrassing performance at Wrestlemania 27, a high profile appearance at the “Grandaddy of’em All” would assure Sting a spot on the elite list of wrestling’s all time greats. Right now Sting’s credentials qualify him for any wrestling hall of fame. He has several reigns as World Champion in every promotion he’s wrestled for, his list of memorable matches and rivalries is lengthy, and he has selflessly given back to the industy he loves. However one or two ‘Mania appearances would be the proverbial cherry on top that would overshadow any second thoughts Vince could have about inducting the Stinger.

WWE has to push a ’rival’ talent
Although Wrestlemania 27 seems to be a perfect opportunity for Sting to make his WWE debut, Sting still remains a long shot to appear. This is due to the fact that his entire career has been spent working for Vince McMahon’s opposition. Whether its WCW or TNA, Sting has always appeared for the WWE’s competition. And don’t think The Chairman has forgotten this fact. He is not a fan of pushing stars that were not created by his own billionaire brain cells. Only a handful of outside talents found success up north: Big Show and Ric Flair are two names that come to mind immediately. Guys like Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, and Chris Jericho got their first exposure to mainstream American audiences in WCW but were not given the opportunity to be a bonafide star until they jumped ship to the WWE(F). Vince gave it a shot with others like Scott Steiner, Goldberg, and Lex Luger with whom they achieved short term moderate success. Besides the above mentioned names, very few workers that carry the label of a ”WCW guy” or ” TNA guy” have had the opportunities to be real main stay stars under McMahon’s banner. What’s working in Sting’s favor is where he currently is in his career. Vince knows he can bring in Sting, use him as a novelty act for a year or so, put him in WWE’s Hall of Fame, and send him home with enough money to retire for good with. He may even throw a legends contract in there so he can label Sting a WWE Legend. We can only hope that egos will be set aside and a deal can be reached before the big show on April 3rd for everybody’s sake.

[ooTin]

With all the buzz surrounding the 2.21.11 Promo that aired on Raw there has been rampant speculation on the internet about who the “man in the rain coat seeking shelter from a monsoon in a secluded desert shack” could be. The possible candidates, for the most part, have been narrowed down to two. The safe bet is a returning Undertaker while the long-shot is a debuting Sting. More likely than not the “anonymous wet desert dweller” will turn out to be the Deadman returning from the grave yet again. But what if it turned out to be the more far fetched choice of the Stinger? What would that mean to the wrestling world?

TNA could have lost its Icon for good
No wrestler in the history of TNA has been more important than Sting. There could possibly be arguments made for Kurt Angle, AJ Styles, or Jeff Jarrett but the statistics would quickly silence them. He is called TNA’s Icon for a reason. Nobody has enjoyed a more consistent run in the company’s main event scene than the Stinger. Out of the six Bound For Glory mega Pay-Per-Views TNA has produced Sting has main evented four. When a promotion puts on its most important show it turns to its most important star. In addition to being a 3x (NWA)TNA World Heavyweight Champion, Sting has helped make new stars in TNA for example: AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, and Matt Morgan. Perhaps more important than that, Sting has a recognizable face to a wide range of fans including the casual fans that does not watch as frequently as they did in the 80s and 90s. But when they flip on Spike TV looking for a marathon of UFC Unleashed or 1,000 Ways to Die and they catch a glimpse of Sting’s painted mug they’ll stay and watch for a while because it conjures up memories of their childhood where it was okay to watch pro wrestling. In order for TNA to attract fans their audience has to give a shit about your characters so their willing to invest they’re time into your TV show and money to your live events and Pay-Per-Views. Sting is someone that the fans care about. If Sting has signed a deal with WWE or does in the future it will probably close the door on a return to TNA. A WWE deal complete with a nice salary and Wrestlemania bonus would probably land the Icon enough cash to hang up his black boots for good. It also would allow him the chance to go out like a legend should, on top.

Wrestlemania 27 Gets a boost of interest
Let’s face it this year’s ‘Mania lineup is lacking a definite “it” factor. While the tentative card seems to consist of some interesting match-ups, it does not yet have the feel of the biggest show of the year. Wrestlemania has a spectacular lure associated with it, but it’s not supported by the proposed plans. However, if Sting is thrown into the mix (a WCW legend in the defunct organization’s former capital city of Atlanta Georgia) then WWE would be onto something special. Wrestling fans have waited for Sting to make the jump up north since he made his name in the NWA almost a quarter century ago. There was a long stretch where it looked like there was zero chance the Stinger would ever cross the line into WWE territory. But now it seems like the planets have aligned and there is a small seemingly perfect sized window for both Vince McMahon and Steve Borden to capitalize. His arrival would bring up so many burning questions. Questions that can only be answered by watching hours of WWE programming. Questions like: why did he come? who would he face at his first ever Wrestlemania? Does he still have what it takes to perform on a grand stage?

Sting cements his legacy
Barring an utterly embarrassing performance at Wrestlemania 27, a high profile appearance at the “Grandaddy of’em All” would assure Sting a spot on the elite list of wrestling’s all time greats. Right now Sting’s credentials qualify him for any wrestling hall of fame. He has several reigns as World Champion in every promotion he’s wrestled for, his list of memorable matches and rivalries is lengthy, and he has selflessly given back to the industy he loves. However one or two ‘Mania appearances would be the proverbial cherry on top that would overshadow any second thoughts Vince could have about inducting the Stinger.

WWE has to push a ’rival’ talent
Although Wrestlemania 27 seems to be a perfect opportunity for Sting to make his WWE debut, Sting still remains a long shot to appear. This is due to the fact that his entire career has been spent working for Vince McMahon’s opposition. Whether its WCW or TNA, Sting has always appeared for the WWE’s competition. And don’t think The Chairman has forgotten this fact. He is not a fan of pushing stars that were not created by his own billionaire brain cells. Only a handful of outside talents found success up north: Big Show and Ric Flair are two names that come to mind immediately. Guys like Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, and Chris Jericho got their first exposure to mainstream American audiences in WCW but were not given the opportunity to be a bonafide star until they jumped ship to the WWE(F). Vince gave it a shot with others like Scott Steiner, Goldberg, and Lex Luger with whom they achieved short term moderate success. Besides the above mentioned names, very few workers that carry the label of a ”WCW guy” or ” TNA guy” have had the opportunities to be real main stay stars under McMahon’s banner. What’s working in Sting’s favor is where he currently is in his career. Vince knows he can bring in Sting, use him as a novelty act for a year or so, put him in WWE’s Hall of Fame, and send him home with enough money to retire for good with. He may even throw a legends contract in there so he can label Sting a WWE Legend. We can only hope that egos will be set aside and a deal can be reached before the big show on April 3rd for everybody’s sake.

There are so many things wrong with this i dont know where to start.

[Jeritron]

Also, why would Sting be digging Taker out of the grave? And how would it lead to a fued between the two?

"I dug you up because there's one thing I've never had a shot at, your streak at Wrestlemania.
You owe me a match. Do you accept?"

Taker thinks about it. He accepts. Lots of dramatic promos and mindgames.

See how easy that is? It's not really hard when you are dealing with something as simple to book as the streak, and 2 supernatural gimmicks. The match is something fans have wanted to see for 15 years. It pretty much books itself no matter how you start it.

[Jeritron]

I don't see how anyone can be certain one way or another about who the promos are for. Some people seem really convinced.

Seriously. I love how it goes from overwhelmingly Sting, to 100% Taker just because WWE put in a Johnny Cash song.
Like deception or additional details are out of the question.

And I'm also not convinced on anything the sheets say one way or another. Yea, it's probably not Sting but I'm not going to bet the house on it either way because of what Meltzer says. He's been wrong before.
This "no contact" thing is a crapshoot. I'm pretty sure Vince McMahon and Steve Borden can have a conference call without Ryan Clark knowing.

[XL]

It's a simple concept but it sounds awful.

[CSL]

There are so many things wrong with this i dont know where to start.

This is like Mugabe having a go at Bin Laden for 'being a bit of a dick'.

[Jeritron]

Not really. That's typical Undertaker stuff. Really it's about getting the match in place. Sting wants a shot and digs him up to get it? What's so awful about that?

Shawn Michaels just wanted a shot and beat Vladmir Kozlov for it, and look how that turned out

[MoFo]

Lights go out on 21/2/11 Raw.

Lights back on.

"OMG KING ITS TEH UNDERTAKER"

Taker promo.

Lights go out again.

Lights back on (dim)

Taker laid out.

"OMG IS THAT.......THATS STING"

Camera shot to Sting w/ bat in rafters.



Profit.

[ooTin]

This is like Mugabe having a go at Bin Laden for 'being a bit of a dick'.

Piss off CSL you are the only person who still gives me shit. It not "trending" anymore. Let it go. Stop living in the past. Etc Etc.

[ooTin]

Lights go out on 21/2/11 Raw.

Lights back on.

"OMG KING ITS TEH UNDERTAKER"

Taker promo.

Lights go out again.

Lights back on (dim)

Taker laid out.

"OMG IS THAT.......THATS STING"

Camera shot to Sting w/ bat in rafters.



Profit.
That would be the only good way to do it if its really Sting. Which its not.

[Fignuts]

Don't do it naitch. If you leave, who will post the abundance of threads asking questions that can easily be answered on wikipedia.

[VSG]

I will admit, I get a kick out of reading this thread and the posts whenever I come in here. Whoever it is in the end, I will be satisfied because you know why? Nothing I say, or want it to be will matter. Deal with it, and enjoy it.

Also, WTF with taker707 having a 10-page successful thread?

[CSL]

Piss off CSL you are the only person who still gives me shit. It not "trending" anymore. Let it go. Stop living in the past. Etc Etc.

Of course I am, that's why your rep has been obliterated. Because I'm the only one that thinks you're terrible. Same response goes for your PM.

[XL]

Not really. That's typical Undertaker stuff. Really it's about getting the match in place. Sting wants a shot and digs him up to get it? What's so awful about that?

Shawn Michaels just wanted a shot and beat Vladmir Kozlov for it, and look how that turned out
I dunno, I guess having someone dig him up is better than Taker somehow managing to get himself out of the grave. :-\

Although I would like to actually see Taker "rise from the grave" at some point. It'd work for me if they went back to the arena where he lost the Buried Alive Match and throughout the show stuff happens (camera cuts out, lights go out, some random person begins to convulse, etc) until a lightening bolt hits the "concrete". Taker then climbs out of the "grave" covered in mud and looking every part the "deadman" he is billed as. The bell tolls, the lights drop and Taker disappears ready to return on the next show.

IF it is Taker in the videos, why is he being filmed in a shed instead of kicking the asses of the guys who buried him?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

If it's Sting naitch stays. If it's Taker he quits tpww forever?

REST IN PEACE NAITCH!

[Swish]

Partial Source: Pwinsider
– By browsing the RAW clips section of Hulu, the video of the mystery figure for 2/21 is titled, “He’s Coming Back.” This all but confirms the return of The Undertaker since Sting has never “been there.” Note from Ryan Clark: I can’t stress this enough guys – there are no plans for Sting to debut with WWE and there have been absolutely NO TALKS whatsoever between the two sides as of Monday of this week. Sting has been in talks with Dixie Carter and numerous TNA sources expect him to re-sign with TNA in the very near future.

So just because Hulu states "He's Coming Back" as the title, Ryan Clark
says (Oh It's not STING!!. It's Undertaker 100% confirmed). Ha Ryan please you are such a prick. Wait and see everyone who believed it was Undertaker and turns out to be STING! will be made fools off. :D...

[TheAdamEvansFan]

I'M ANGRY.

I'm fed up.

I've never had a issue with Ryan Clark before, but seriously, keep your fucking opinion out of reporting about Sting and the rumors.

You can't keep saying without a doubt that it's not sting and he's not coming back.

My sources are telling me that Sting doesn't want to return to TNA with Hogan.

My sources are telling me that Sting wants to be in Atlanta to relive this WCW affair.

My sources are telling me that Sting wants merchandise sales and that he enjoys WWE PG programming.

My sources are telling me that Sting wants to get his wrestling school involved in WWE developmental in California.

My sources are telling me that these aren't sources at all, but my wrestling intuition. Stop reporting bullshit and report fact, or step aside.

I've been reading TPWW Main Page for 10 years now, and it's just turned garbage in recent months with this HIP HOP shit and this. I'm a huge hip hop mark, but I come to the wrestling website to get updated on wrestling.

My PREDICTION is that Undertaker might be the vignette but Sting will also be returning either Monday Night or soon before Wrestlemania. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK RYAN CLARK. When I'm right, I'll expect to run this site from now on.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Sting & Undertaker vs Kane and Barrett.

BOOK IT!

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Also, what if Kanes father was only at the TNA event to look for Sting?

Could that play into some sort of an angle?

[Calamondin]

Well, at this point it's either a great work... or it's the Undertaker. I'm more inclined to think it's the later.

[Lock Jaw]

This thread is a barrel o' laughs.

[VSG]

Also, what if Kanes father was only at the TNA event to look for Sting?

Could that play into some sort of an angle?

My sources are telling me Kane has "killed" his father.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

TheAdamEvansFan vs. Ryan Clark in an essay contest/great debate at WrestleMania 27. BOOK IT!

The Essay topic is on "Attribution and its importance as a proper journalist."

[Juan]

I'll never understand why people even read the front page. There are dozens of other pages out there that are legit or that at least give credit to their sources.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

I'll never understand why people even read the front page. There are dozens of other pages out there that are legit or that at least give credit to their sources.

My excuse would have to be that TPWW has always been simple access (except for the server issues this past year).

TPWW doesn't have popups and doesn't lag my computer.

TPWW always has up to date information and use be unbias reporting. (Fuck you Ryan Clark)


Now, I'm just eh.

I mean, anyone can really call a storyline or pretty much know what's going to happen on a weekly basis. Creative is always dropping hints, it's just on us to pick up on it.

However, with Undertaker, it's more like they are dropping too many hints.

They've also speculated that Taker wasn't in good enough shape to wrestle a singles match, but everyone speculates that Barrett was moved to Smackdown to face Taker at Wrestlemania.

Along with the WCW Hall of Fame going on, and Sting still a free agent, I just don't fucking get how Ryan Clark can keep telling us how he knows it's not STING because of his sources.

If Vince McMahon has Sting's ear, he isn't going to give out his secret to anyone, he will let this surprise bump ratings up to Wrestlemania.

I'm pretty much coming out of my trolling character in this post, but Ryan Clark, you sir need to retire (and stay retired unlike favre/flair).

[Providence Peep]

People have been saying it's either Taker or Sting.... but maybe it's neither one of them. Has anyone thought of that? Isn't it possible that what we've just seen so far is just a swerve? Of course.

[MoFo]

Its not a WCW HOF.......Shawn Michaels is the only name announced so far.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

All the WCW guys like Luger, Sid, Savage, Nash, Booker, Xpac, etc, are rumored to be there in Atlanta.

You can speculate all you want against it! :P

[Mr. C]

If it were to be Sting vs. The Undertaker at WrestleMania, I’d have Undertaker return on 2 21 11. He starts to cut a promo about WrestleMania, talking about the streak and how it will continue. Then the lights go out…Sting standing in the ring.

The feud can be epic and go from there. Undertaker goes for 19-0, and it could possibly be his last match too.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

People have been saying it's either Taker or Sting.... but maybe it's neither one of them. Has anyone thought of that?

If we are still talking about the vignette, I don't see who else it could be.

I mean, they've been dropping hints that it's the Undertaker, too many really.

So they would want us to think it's Undertaker, but who else could fit the guy in the dark, with those boots, in black?

I'd say since Sting is a free agent and blah blah blah, he's the most obvious person to be speculated.

You think it's THE BOOGEYMAN?!

[Providence Peep]

I'm pretty much coming out of my trolling character in this post

:roll: Your trolling is part of your character??

Anyway guys, just found the following info on-line... it's something else for us to to think about...

From new Wrestling Observer: Undertaker vs. Barrett has been dropped as the main event and they have a new direction for Undertaker which will be the main event on the show. It’s possible the new direction could change, but it’s doubtful, because it involves Michaels (obviously not wrestling) in some form and is being counted on to be the big thing on the show.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

If it were to be Sting vs. The Undertaker at WrestleMania, I’d have Undertaker return on 2 21 11. He starts to cut a promo about WrestleMania, talking about the streak and how it will continue. Then the lights go out…Sting standing in the ring.

The feud can be epic and go from there. Undertaker goes for 19-0, and it could possibly be his last match too.

I don't see that match happening.

What I do see happening is the following...

Hype building and buzz around the lockeroom about the Deadmans return.

Clip to the back where Corre gets beat down by Nexus or a mystery person.

Barrett and Kane are backstage talking about the Deadman and how he needs to be taken out tonight if it's him.

Undertaker shows up, Barrett, Kane, and the Corre trap him around the ring.

LIGHTS GO OUT....

Back on..

Stings in the ring with a bat, with everyone but taker laid out or maybe not even have him in the ring at all, just taker left standing.

This would then lead to a huge build up to Wrestlemania about Stings intentions, about Stings thoughts on Kane and Taker, and the Corre.

It'd bring back the oldschool Sting vs NWO mindset too, which would be good for Atlanta as a final send off.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

:roll: Your trolling is part of your character??

Anyway guys, just found the following info on-line... it's something else for us to to think about...

From new Wrestling Observer: Undertaker vs. Barrett has been dropped as the main event and they have a new direction for Undertaker which will be the main event on the show. It’s possible the new direction could change, but it’s doubtful, because it involves Michaels (obviously not wrestling) in some form and is being counted on to be the big thing on the show.

Triple H vs Taker with Michaels as a guest referee would be awful.


Trips needs to go after Sheamus and have a good ole fashioned street brawl, not kayfabing with Taker to rehash an old storyline.

That'll be an awful match, SORRY JAMES STEELE.

[Mr. C]

http://www.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/IMAG0083.jpg

[Providence Peep]

Triple H vs Taker with Michaels as a guest referee would be awful.

How do you figure that? We know Trips is coming back, sooner than later, and a match with him and Taker would be better for WM than a match with him and Sheamus or a match with Taker and Barrett. Maybe Trips wants Taker out of revenge for retiring Michaels.

Trips needs to go after Sheamus and have a good ole fashioned street brawl

That can easily happen after Mania.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Ok, but the Michaels storyline happened a year ago, Sheamus took trips out so that should be first on Trips plate.

Triple H is a face due to the crowd turning him face twice in the past 5 years. Undertaker is a face. Now we all know that Undertaker vs Michaels was a face matchup, but it had the retirement on the line. I just don't see Michaels as a guest referee and possibly a screwjob as a way to keep the streak going.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Plus, It's my opinion that Triple H, nor Undertaker, can't wrestle well anyways...

It's hard to watch Taker in the ring anymore, same with Kane.

[Providence Peep]

I just don't see Michaels as a guest referee and possibly a screwjob as a way to keep the streak going.

It might be unlikely, but "anything can happen in the WWE." Maybe Trips comes back and goes after Taker out of revenge for retiring Michaels, and then Michaels gets angry at Triple H hogging the spotlight. Again, I know that's probably unlikely to happen, but what I'm trying to show here is that the guy in the vignettes is not necessarily Taker OR Sting.

And yeah, before anyone comments, I know the Fresno, CA arena where Raw will be held on 2/21 has already announced the return of Taker for that night. I know that, in the minds of many people, the arena spoiled the surprise and people are saying there's no longer a mystery about who the guy is in the vignette.

But what about the NY Daily News reporting (the day after the first vignette on Raw) that Sting has signed a one-year deal with WWE? Let's not forget about that.

Let's also not forget that even though a backstage source within WWE has said there's been no contact between Sting and WWE, that might not be true. Maybe it's something to throw us off. Maybe the source doesn't know Sting has been contacted. Or, maybe the source is right. Sometimes McMahon doesn't tell anyone his plans. Sometimes he tells a select few people. And other times he tells the entire creative staff. But, if it's not Sting in the vignettes, then I think it's the debut of a new superstar, since every time Taker returns he usually just shows up without all this hype.

[Fignuts]

Plus, It's my opinion that Triple H, nor Undertaker, can't wrestle well anyways...

It's hard to watch Taker in the ring anymore, same with Kane.

lol what?

[Fignuts]

Even if those guys don't bring their a-game for every single show, you are talking about mania. And every one of those guys you listed is on point at mania.

Wasn't long ago that taker carried batista to a great match.

No, taker and triple h can still go, and would put on a great match at mania.

[whiteyford]

There are so many things wrong with this i dont know where to start.

I'll bite, whats wrong with it?

[James Steele]

Plus, It's my opinion that Triple H, nor Undertaker, can't wrestle well anyways...

It's hard to watch Taker in the ring anymore, same with Kane.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lco2viTbWZ1qz7ztxo1_400.gif

I'm going to go get a glass of water and walk around the block before I respond to this post further.

[Skippord]

just make fun of Adam Evans and you'll be even

[Swiss Ultimate]

There are so many things wrong with this i dont know where to start.

You're not a very good person.

[Extreme Angle]

I'd say it's Undertaker, but that's just me. :roll:

[AKin3D]

I'm going to say it's Taker. If for anything, I can't think of a single reason why Sting would be going into a old western type building.

[Mr. C]

“People once believed that when someone dies, a crow carries their soul to the land of the dead, but sometimes, something so bad happens that a terrible sadness is carried with it and the soul can't rest. Then sometimes, just sometimes, the crow can bring that soul back to put the wrong things right.”

This made me think of next week's promo showing the figure in black, still only from the knees down, digging up a grave without revealing who's digging up who.

Undertaker returns after the Elimination Chamber Match for the World Heavyweight Championship ends. The last three are Edge, Kane, and Wade Barrett. Edge leaves the chamber with the belt as Kane and Barrett are still down in the ring, and the lights go out. The lights come back on, and Undertaker is in the ring and takes out both Kane and Barrett inside the chamber. Before his music can play, the lights flicker and 2 21 11 appears on the titantron. Undertaker looks on puzzled as the pay-per-view comes to an end.

[Eklipse]

“People once believed that when someone dies, a crow carries their soul to the land of the dead, but sometimes, something so bad happens that a terrible sadness is carried with it and the soul can't rest. Then sometimes, just sometimes, the crow can bring that soul back to put the wrong things right.”

This made me think of next week's promo showing the figure in black, still only from the knees down, digging up a grave without revealing who's digging up who.

Undertaker returns after the Elimination Chamber Match for the World Heavyweight Championship ends. The last three are Edge, Kane, and Wade Barrett. Edge leaves the chamber with the belt as Kane and Barrett are still down in the ring, and the lights go out. The lights come back on, and Undertaker is in the ring and takes out both Kane and Barrett inside the chamber. Before his music can play, the lights flicker and 2 21 11 appears on the titantron. Undertaker looks on puzzled as the pay-per-view comes to an end.


That's for "The Crow." Not Sting

[Brigstocke]

Hey Guys, Czech this out.

http://www.savemartcenter.com/index.php?option=com_jcalpro&Itemid=26&extmode=view&extid=431

Raw is coming at us from the Save Mart Centre, Fresno on the 2 21 11. The website for the venue is hyping the return of Taker that night.

NOT SAYING THAT IT IS UNDERTAKER AND NOT STING HERE

Just giving you some extra information.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

2/21/11 is Daniel Bryan giving out autographs!!! Wooo Autographs!!

[Mr. C]

I keep hoping the third and final vignette will be something like you finally see The Undertaker enter the house, and he's all muddy, and there's Sting sitting with a shovel. Something like that.

That's for "The Crow." Not Sting

Wow, really? I didn't know! :roll:

[CSL]

Or sitting in a rocking chair

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Or sitting in a rocking chair

I thought you said you were done with the Lost references. You made Hurley

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ANGRY!!!

[CSL]

I claimed no such thing slick damo

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I want to make a Lost joke but that was already done.

Page 6 Post #204.

[CSL]

lol I do not remember making that post. That said, I still didn't say I never would ;)

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I guess you waited long enough for it to be funny again.

[CSL]

I didn't ever think it was funny. More of a 'lol I get the reference :cool:' for other Lost-ites.

[Lock Jaw]

Or sitting in a rocking chair

lol I get the reference :cool:

[XL]

Hey, I started the Lost reference thing and I love that it's still going. I mostly still come to this thread for the shits and giggles (and to tell people how stood their logic and/or evidence is of course).

[ooTin]

GOD XL... YOUR SO STOOD

[loopydate]

Look out, XL. He's picking your argument apart monocle by monocle...

:shifty:

[ooTin]

:D

[XL]

I don't even know what "stood" means?

But I do know he was looking to use "you're" not "your".

[ooTin]

Hey, I started the Lost reference thing and I love that it's still going. I mostly still come to this thread for the shits and giggles (and to tell people how stood their logic and/or evidence is of course).

You mean... I don't even know what "stood" means. not a ?

[Swish]

It would be funny if this turned out to be a trailer for a upcoming wwe film :rofl:

[Providence Peep]

Or sitting in a rocking chair

Well since Taker seems to be the ageless protector of the WWE locker room, your idea about the rocking chair might not be that far-fetched. :|

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[CSL]

...

[StingerSplash4Lyf]

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[StingerSplash4Lyf]

!!!! guys. Im taking the night off from work on 2 21 11

[Brigstocke]

I'm surprised you have a job if you are starting sentences with exclamation marks. Do you work for TWF? whats your cardio like?

[Juan]

Brigstocke, I wouldn't mess with stinger if I were you.

We've lost a lot of good men that way.

[XL]

You mean... I don't even know what "stood" means. not a ?
The initial use of "stood" was a typo due to using a wireless keyboard with a low battery.

The question mark should have had a exclamation with it too, to emphasise my lack of understanding.
All in all, ooTin "your" a fucking moron so go fuck off.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>PWInsider is now saying that the plans now not only call for Undertaker vs. Triple H with HBK as the ref, but it will also be Streak vs. Career

I'm actually fucking pumped for that. Although I figured he'd hang 'em up soon - I totally thought Triple H went through all of this rehab to get one final run in. Surely he wouldn't book himself to end the streak, would he?

Guessing that means he'd have to resolve his shit with Sheamus on an episode of Raw. Feels like a bit of a waste.</font>

[Goulet]

Plus, It's my opinion that Triple H, nor Undertaker, can't wrestle well anyways...

It's hard to watch Taker in the ring anymore, same with Kane.

Are you FUCKING SERIOUS?!?!?!

[James Steele]

Wow...I don't know if I can emotionally handle the thought of losing Triple H forever. Fuck the streak...I WANT MY KING BACK!!!! (BUT I DON'T KNOW HOWWWWWWWWWWWW!)

[James Steele]

Honestly, Triple H vs Undertaker in a Career vs Streak match would be fucking insane because I can't see Triple H retiring yet, but they gotta keep the streak going so they can do Cena/Taker in Miami for 20-0 or 19-1.

[whiteyford]

Be strong James, don't let them see you cry...

[whiteyford]

I like the idea of HHH v 'Taker with that stipulation, just seems a little rushed for this years 'Mania.

[Swish]

Ryan Clark is at it again, He's such an ass hole seriously.


On Sting At WM 27:: Sorry that some take exception when they ask for my opinion and I simply give it. No…I do not think that Sting is going to sign with WWE and wrestle the Undertaker at WM27. For those ‘Oliver Stone’s’ out there that have it all figured out and are threatening to ‘boycott’ WM27 over this self induced fiasco, do whatever it is that makes you happy. I’m fairly certain that if Sting and WWE wanted to do business together that it would get done. Note from

Ryan Clark: I couldn’t have said it better myself JR. Apparently you deal with some of the same “know-it-alls” that we do here!

Is he actually calling us lot Know it alls?. :rofl:

[Mr. C]

I’m opposed to Undertaker/Triple-H, because Triple-H has to deal with Sheamus first. At next WrestleMania, you can have Undertaker/Triple-H for 20-0. Again, Sheamus’ assault on Triple-H is more immediate of an issue, and Sheamus/Triple-H deserves a blow off.

[Innovator]

Guys like Clark give the real writers a bad wrap.

[James Steele]

I’m opposed to Undertaker/Triple-H, because Triple-H has to deal with Sheamus first. At next WrestleMania, you can have Undertaker/Triple-H for 20-0. Again, Sheamus’ assault on Triple-H is more immediate of an issue, and Sheamus/Triple-H deserves a blow off.

I am the world's biggest fucking Triple H mark ever, but even I don't want to see Sheamus/Triple H at WrestleMania.

[Mr. C]

I am the world's biggest fucking Triple H mark ever, but even I don't want to see Sheamus/Triple H at WrestleMania.

If Triple-H wants revenge on anyone, it'll be the guy who interrupted his speech about loving Shawn Michaels and then nearly ended his career.

I'm not too high on Undertaker/Triple-H being thrown together because it may bring the fan who only watches when the names from 2000 are on.

[Swish]

So the rumour is now Triple H to face the Undertaker at mania.
hmmm could this just be to stop people talking about STING entering wwe?.

[Mr. C]

The idea that they don’t have enough time to build Sting vs. The Undertaker is wrong. They’ll have six weeks from Elimination Chamber to WrestleMania. Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania 25 was confirmed four weeks before the show. Consistently, feuds are built from mid-February to WrestleMania.

[OldSchoolFan]

Kind of off topic but...

Could all these promos be leading to a "new" Taker or return of the american badass... Reasoning is that we all know he will be back soon.. no real reason to hype that, but looking at history.. big deal with cryptic messages led to BikerTaker... after buried alive by Kane more cryptic messages followed by return of deadman.

[loopydate]

So the rumour is now Triple H to face the Undertaker at mania.
hmmm could this just be to stop people talking about STING entering wwe?.

Clearly it's working.

[BollywoodSingh]

These days, Taker can only still go at WrestleMania. The rest of the year, he is shit or injured. Actually, he's been that way for most of his career.

[BollywoodSingh]

The idea that they don’t have enough time to build Sting vs. The Undertaker is wrong. They’ll have six weeks from Elimination Chamber to WrestleMania. Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania 25 was confirmed four weeks before the show. Consistently, feuds are built from mid-February to WrestleMania.


The build for a match doesn't start when they actually confirm on TV that the match is going to happen. HBK vs. Taker was like a 3 month build that started at the Slammy awards in December 2009. Plus, they had the back story from the previous WrestleMania.

[Jura]

These days, Taker can only still go at WrestleMania. The rest of the year, he is shit or injured. Actually, he's been that way for most of his career.

His powers are at full strength during Wrestlemania lol.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah! Everybody knows that!

[Fignuts]

Triple H vs Taker would be a much better match than Taker vs Barrett, or Triple H vs Sheamus. I am fine with this.

[Providence Peep]

I can pretty much guarantee you guys that is, in fact, STING who'll be debuting in the WWE on 2/21/11. I don't care that some people are saying it isn't. I was uncertain about it before, but now I feel very confident about it.

[StingerSplash4Lyf]

Believe.

[Mr. C]

The build for a match doesn't start when they actually confirm on TV that the match is going to happen. HBK vs. Taker was like a 3 month build that started at the Slammy awards in December 2009. Plus, they had the back story from the previous WrestleMania.

I specifically stated HBK vs. Taker at WM25.

[StingerSplash4Lyf]

taker vs sting has been build by the fans for 10 years do u really think a few extra weeks of promos would make a difference???

[Mr. C]

2-21: The Undertaker returns. Sting makes a surprise debut and challenges Undertaker to a match at WrestleMania.

2-25: Sting explains why he wants to face Undertaker.

3-4: Sting and Undertaker are forced to team up against Kane and Wade Barrett. Barrett walks out, allowing Sting to hit the Scorpion Death Drop on Kane and get the pin.

3-11: Theodore Long announces Undertaker vs. Barrett for the main event at the start of the show and that the match will be no disqualification. The Core interferes, but Sting comes out and clears house. Undertaker gets up, Barrett turns around into the Tombstone, 1, 2, 3.

3-18: Shawn Michaels tries to talk sense into Sting and mentions Triple-H trying to tell him he couldn’t win last year. Michaels tries to offer the same, but Sting doesn’t even let him get there as he says he’ll beat Undertaker.

3-25: Long hosts a contract signing between Sting and Undertaker for the match at WrestleMania.

4-1: Sting thanks the WWE Universe for their support over the past month and is happy to finally give fans the match they deserve. The Core interrupts. Barrett says that Sting is a disgrace. Sting tells Barrett that he’d be more than happy to give him “a shot at the Stinger.” Barrett accepts.

Barrett taps to the Scorpion Death Lock. After the match, the bell tolls and lights dim. Druids wheel a black casket with a white scorpion painted on the lid. The lights come on, and Undertaker is standing behind Sting. Sting and Undertaker start brawling. Sting gets the bat so he can hit Undertaker, but has second thoughts, and points the bat at Undertaker.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Triple H vs Sting with Undertaker as Guest referee lal

[StingerSplash4Lyf]

HHH, Taker and Sting vs Kane, Barrett and Sheamus in a Hell in a Cell. Shawn Michaels as guest referree

[StingerSplash4Lyf]

losing team has to retire and winners all get title shots

[MoFo]

Sting is Raw GM.

[Providence Peep]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161682_100001312375660_5185889_n.jpg

Sorry this pic is so small. If there's a way to make it bigger and anyone wants to, feel free.

[Swish]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161682_100001312375660_5185889_n.jpg

Sorry this pic is so small. If there's a way to make it bigger and anyone wants to, feel free.

That's bad ass, It's obvious STING!!! People don't want to believe it. But it is. It's 100% fact. Why would the news report STING has signed a contract otherwise?. Either way we will find out one way or another.

[Fignuts]

Because the news establishment that reported it, is about as credible as the newspapers that claim elvis married sasquatch and moved to pluto.

[XL]

That's bad ass, It's obvious STING!!! People don't want to believe it. But it is. It's 100% fact. Why would the news report STING has signed a contract otherwise?. Either way we will find out one way or another.
Speculation and/or your personal opinion =/= FACT

[Jordan]

LOL @ this Sting shit. I'd love it to be true, but get a grip you don't know anything! What are your facts based on?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What all facts that are based on with wrestling "journalists"

1. Wishful thinking
2. second (the industry standard) third, fourth, fith, six, seventh, eight, ninth and tenth hand information.

[Brigstocke]

It's Carlito's birthday on the night of Elimination Chamber. it would be a wicked awesome gift if he was allowed to return the next night, with a new dark gimmick. and a trenchcoat.

[Jordan]

God damnit. Are you kidding? It's THE UNDERTAKER.

I think we will see the next phase of the Dead Man. I mean, he's gonna change his gear.

[Brigstocke]

It was a joke you stupid cunt.

[itsmeJD]

Maybe it's the resurrection of the wrestling Jesus...http://www.wrestlecrap.com/youtube/youtube-chaperone/tc04.jpg

[MoFo]

What splendid facial hair.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Wasn't it Triple H that insulted CM Punk for having a beard like this when the Straight Edge Society was kind enough to join Raw for one night cause of the volcano?

[itsmeJD]

What splendid facial hair.

This. Maybe the most bodacious beard in the history of our sport.

[Volare]

The beard of Jericho.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Chris-Jericho-wwe-01.jpg

[XL]

God damnit. Are you kidding? It's THE UNDERTAKER.

I think we will see the next phase of the Dead Man. I mean, he's gonna change his gear.
Ah. But this is not possible! He has NEVER worn cowboy boots or that particular trenchcoat! [quote= some idiot earlier in this thread] :roll:

[Eklipse]

These days, Taker can only still go at WrestleMania. The rest of the year, he is shit or injured. Actually, he's been that way for most of his career.

I'm going to say this in the nicest way possible.

Most of his career?
You're a fucking moron.

Nicest way I could say it.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I want it to be Sting.

[itsmeJD]

I'm hoping for Papa Shongo..:shifty:

[The Naitch]

It makes sense that it could be Triple H vs Taker instead, because

1) Trips will be taking a more behind the scenes role in the company now (whatever that news was about him being the vice president or whatever title it was)

2) I think people don't really care for Sheamus vs. Triple H. It seems like old news and I think alot of the casual fans forgot that happened. It was a year ago, and so much other and better things have happened since then

If they don't get Sting, the only marquee WrestleMania-caliber match they have left is Triple H vs. Undertaker. And I'm sure it will be booked correctly

[itsmeJD]

It makes sense that it could be Triple H vs Taker instead, because

1) Trips will be taking a more behind the scenes role in the company now (whatever that news was about him being the vice president or whatever title it was)

2) I think people don't really care for Sheamus vs. Triple H. It seems like old news and I think alot of the casual fans forgot that happened. It was a year ago, and so much other and better things have happened since then

If they don't get Sting, the only marquee WrestleMania-caliber match they have left is Triple H vs. Undertaker. And I'm sure it will be booked correctly

This. Not to mention the layout for the match is already set considering it was Taker who sent Shawn to the old folks home, and Trips wanting revenge. If anything, his Christlike return (HHH, not Taker) could be crashing 2/21/11 with a Pedigree of epic proportions as Undertaker makes his long awaited return. Plus, Sheamus has been booked to shit since winning the King of the Ring, wearing that cheap ass looking crown, and carrying a fucking glorified walking stick. Triple H vs. Taker w/ Michaels as the ref (which I read is being tossed around) would suit me fine.

[The Naitch]

Agreed. Fuck Sheamus and his stupid antlers and walking stick. Long live the king! FAILED! He doesn't deserve a match with that massive and entertaining back right now [/James]

[Mr. Pierre]

Yeah, HHH/Taker is the way to go, I think. It'd have an awesome kickoff if they go with JD's idea with HHH crashing Taker's return and issuing the challenge. For continuity purposes, you just have HHH go over Sheamus on RAW, and Taker go over Kane and Barrett in a 2 week span.

Triple H vs. Sheamus would have worked if Sheamus was booked like a monster, and Triple H seemed like Sheamus' "kryptonite" as he proved to be the only one who can stop him. Eh, who cares though, HHH/Taker >>>>> HHH/Sheamus

[Lock Jaw]

I'd rather see HHH vs. Sheamus....

[itsmeJD]

I'd rather see HHH vs. Sheamus....
So then will we receive said announcement on Monday? I hope you've discussed this with Trips, considering he is technically over you now with that promotion and all.

I just don't see Triple H and Sheamus having enough hype considering it's been a year, and Sheamus has been shit on (not literally I don't think). The money would be in Taker and Trips. That massive and entertaining back of his shouldn't be in the middle of the card fighting the King of the Magical Irish Woods.

[Brigstocke]

I'd rather see HHH vs. Sheamus....

The GM has spoken.

[James Steele]

I am so proud of you guys. I am tearing up like a proud father watching his son fuck his first hooker.

[Eklipse]

I am so proud of you guys. I am tearing up like a proud father watching his son fuck his first hooker.

Unrelated to the topic...but...

you don't have any sons do you?
Just curious. Haha.
Funny stuff.

[Mr. C]

2) I think people don't really care for Sheamus vs. Triple H. It seems like old news and I think alot of the casual fans forgot that happened. It was a year ago, and so much other and better things have happened since then

Sheamus brags about being the one who ended Triple-H's career every chance he gets and interrupted his speech on Shawn Michaels' last RAW. I don't see any opponent on Triple-H's return other than Sheamus.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Triple H/Sheamus was last year. Unless Sheamus wins the match and truly ends Triple H's career I don't want to see it.

[Furious Beardsley]

Have HHH and Sheamus battle it out to see who the true king is. Have Sheamus go over and then make HHH wear a tiara and a dress to RAW the next night.

As far as 2-21-11 is concerned. I'd be awesome to see Sting in the WWE, but I'm not getting my hopes up. We will probably see the final vignette on 2-21 and then the appearance of whoever the hell it turns up to be immediately after the video ends ending RAW on a high note.

[Jordan]

I am fine with Triple H vs The Undertaker, just so long as TriplE H is a bastard and HBK is the ref and the big question going in is HBK gonna cost The Undertaker his streak... seems pretty great to me.

[Swish]

Do we really want to see Undertaker vs Triple H again?. they put one hell of a match on back when taker was the american bad ass. It would only fit for HHH to go after Shamus