Daniel Bryan: The Best Wrestler No One Cares About

[Graveler]

Now before anyone gets upset, please know that I think Danielson is an extremely talented wrestler. His pay-per-view matches tend to be the best on the card and I don't mind him as US champion. But Gertner was completely right. The crowd on NXT tonight was dead when he came out. The attempts to get interest in him (Derrick Bateman, The Bella Twins) aren't working. You know it's bad when R-Truth has to rally the crowd to get a response for him. If things don't change, I see him getting future endeavored. What will it take for the crowd to care about Bryan Danielson?

[crusnik]

put him up against guys like sheamus , orton, miz and morrison ,cm punk and also cena .. and making them tap out or at least wrestle to a time limit .I think that would be the best and fastest way .

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I'm already upset from the title of this thread. :foc:

[Graveler]

I'm already upset from the title of this thread. :foc:

Once again, I don't hate him. but you can't deny that the crowd isn't really into him

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That's bullshit. He was getting chants when he wasn't even there. Fatal Fourway they were chanting his name during every single match and when the show was fading to black.

Nobody cares about NXT why would you think that NXT reactions count at all? Besides "nobody" is a stupid word to use since we care about him on TPWW. We're not nobody.

[Xero]

He's only over with the smart fans who know what he's capable of. Until WWE wants him to get over, he won't. It's pretty clear they don't want him over right now, but they also don't want him left off the show. I seriously doubt he'll get future endeavored unless he goes the Low Ki route and decides to part ways.

I see his current stint as paying WWE dues. I'm not happy with it, but I don't really care. Matches like the series with Ziggler make it worth it.

[BizarroKing]

I see his current stint as paying WWE dues. I'm not happy with it, but I don't really care. Matches like the series with Ziggler make it worth it.

Didn't he already pay his dues during his stint in NXT season 1? I blame this stupid 'ladies man' gimmick wwe gave him...it needs to end now and/or turn him heel.

[Xero]

Didn't he already pay his dues during his stint in NXT season 1? I blame this stupid 'ladies man' gimmick wwe gave him...it needs to end now and/or turn him heel.

To be perfectly honest, he was booked pretty strong on NXT. Yes, he lost, but he hung with guys like Jericho and Batista. His first WWE match was a good showing against the World champion. His feud with Michael Cole was actually really well done as well, if left unresolved.

[Mr. Pierre]

I think he'll be just fine. He doesn't have enough of a fanbase for people to care about his random matches with even more underdeveloped characters like Tyson Kidd and Ted Dibiase. Once he gets another program with a heel that people actually care about, people will be interested again.

[Lara Emily]

He got a great reaction in Boston but that's a smark crowd.

[crusnik]

by the way xero ,Sheamus is looking real evil as your avatar,kinda cool.

[Xero]

He got a great reaction in Boston but that's a smark crowd.

Yeah, exactly. They were marking for Punk/Daniel Bryan. You won't get that in a non-smark city. Pretty sure they popped for Regal, too.

[Lara Emily]

Yeah, exactly. They were marking for Punk/Daniel Bryan. You won't get that in a non-smark city. Pretty sure they popped for Regal, too.

That was one of the best segments of the rumble heh, I fucking love Smark crowds!

But yeah Bryan is not super over cause he's not really doing anything. He doesn't even really get mic time and on TV he gets the jobber entrance during commercials treatment like 60%-80% of the time, his lack of overness is not his fault at all, when he had a program he was over simple as that.

[Xero]

The first 10 minutes or so of the Rumble was the best pure wrestling moment in Rumble history.

[Fignuts]

I have enoyed Bryan's ringwork, but every time he picks up a mic, he bores the shit out of me.

[Lara Emily]

The first 10 minutes or so of the Rumble was the best pure wrestling moment in Rumble history.


Yup and then when you factor in the Morrison display and then the entertaining Nexus dominance you had probably had one of the most entertaining Rumbles ever, until Cena at 22 and Hornswaggle at 23. It pretty much died from there.

[CSL]

grrrr evil sports entertainers

[What Would Kevin Do?]

The odd thing about Bryan is, the crowd is quieter when he comes out, but they really seem to get into his matches. You can talk about his entrance, but you can't deny that in his matches with Miz, Ziggler, etc, people were solidly behind him. Now of course some credit goes to Miz and Ziggler for being excellent heels, BUT, the crowd wasn't booing them as much as they were getting behind Bryan.

I think part of the problem is because he hasn't been able to connect with the crowd. He gets a decent amount of tv time, but very little time on the actual mic. Instead, the only real info the crowd knows about him is that he's a vegan, Cole things he's a nerd, and he's dating Gail Kim. Give him a feud where he has a chance to get on the mic and actually get angry. Give him a chance to get past the goofy, smiley person, and give him a chance to get angry and competitive, and for the crowd to want to see what he's going to do.

With that said, DB won't be fired anytime soon. He knows how to play the game (he's great at backstage politics stuff, not because he's using it to get ahead per se, just because he knows how he's supposed to act.) Also, he's one of the best at making other guys look good.

[Lara Emily]

grrrr evil sports entertainers

The crowd kinda died too. I mean Cena vs Orton faceoff got zero reaction

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Oh, and change his music.

Classical music does not hype up the crowd.

[Lara Emily]

Oh, and change his music.

Classical music does not hype up the crowd.

Exactly it's too common and really it''s fucking dorky as hell and not in a good dorky way but in a silly joke dorky sort of way

[Dirk Ziggler]

I hate Daniel Bryan. I've hated him from the very start. Maybe he can wrestle in the ring, but unfortunately it takes much more then that to be a star in wrestling. He doesn't have the look going on for him. He doesn't have charisma. He sucks on the Mic. He has no gimmick of his own.

I just don't buy into it. I think the only reason so many people say they do. Is because "it's the cool thing to do". Support the underdog, the underrated, undiscovered Brian Danielson. I bet half of the jack-offs who say they support him from the indy scenes never heard of him before NxT. I in particular don't give a shit about the indy scene. And you can bash all you want, but secretly you don't give a shit either.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Exactly it's too common and really it''s fucking dorky as hell and not in a good dorky way but in a silly joke dorky sort of way

I think it's very similar to why he used The Final Countdown.

He picked the Final Countdown because it was considered one of the worst songs, and he did it as a joke. Then, it caught on, so he kept using it. I get the feeling he picked this as an inside joke to himself, but it's just awful.

And seriously, it's not going to catch on, WWE has a great team, why can't they come up with something good? I mean, yeah, classic themes work for Flair and Savage, but those themes were tailored more to the rich/grand gimmick.

[KIRA]

Oh, and change his music.

Classical music does not hype up the crowd.


Hey I like Wagner even if he was an antisemitic dick


:foc:

but yea youre half right he might need a better intro to the theme

But if fans can get behind Thus Spoke Zarathustra or Pomp and Circumstance


They can get behind DB's theme

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I hate Daniel Bryan. I've hated him from the very start. Maybe he can wrestle in the ring, but unfortunately it takes much more then that to be a star in wrestling. He doesn't have the look going on for him. He doesn't have charisma. He sucks on the Mic. He has no gimmick of his own.

I just don't buy into it. I think the only reason so many people say they do. Is because "it's the cool thing to do". Support the underdog, the underrated, undiscovered Brian Danielson. I bet half of the jack-offs who say they support him from the indy scenes never heard of him before NxT. I in particular don't give a shit about the indy scene. And you can bash all you want, but secretly you don't give a shit either.

Thank you for your original and inspired opinion. I find it hard to believe however that there's someone on tpww who doesn't like indy wrestling.

Seriously though, I've never understood the "you're doing it because it's the cool thing to do" argument. I'm fairly certain that most people here don't give two shits about like Danielson because some other people here do, and they want to be "cool." Have you ever considered that some people just like WRESTLING, and he's a good WRESTLER?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He's only over with the smart fans who know what he's capable of. Until WWE wants him to get over, he won't. It's pretty clear they don't want him over right now, but they also don't want him left off the show. I seriously doubt he'll get future endeavored unless he goes the Low Ki route and decides to part ways.

I see his current stint as paying WWE dues. I'm not happy with it, but I don't really care. Matches like the series with Ziggler make it worth it.

[The Show Off]

He'll get his time to be over with the fans. Right now they have nothing for him and they haven't given the casual WWE fan a reason to get behind him. The only place he got time to develop a character was on NXT and most casual fans didn't really watch that.

Danielson is way too good of an all around talent (yes I'm including mic skills as well) to go ignored for very long.

The only way Danielson doesn't become a star in the WWE is if he goes the Val Venis route and not step up and demand feuds.

[Lara Emily]

I think it's very similar to why he used The Final Countdown.

He picked the Final Countdown because it was considered one of the worst songs, and he did it as a joke. Then, it caught on, so he kept using it. I get the feeling he picked this as an inside joke to himself, but it's just awful.

And seriously, it's not going to catch on, WWE has a great team, why can't they come up with something good? I mean, yeah, classic themes work for Flair and Savage, but those themes were tailored more to the rich/grand gimmick.

fuck you that song rocks! There's a chance it could get over but I agree he really needs something in house.

[Lara Emily]

This is great btw!

<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Fd_6ATumTig" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>


They fake Bryan Danielson coming out to the NXT theme and then cut into Final Countdown.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Hey, I love the Final Countdown. Don't shoot the messenger. I just read in an interview or something that he picked it because he saw it on a list of bad songs, and thought it'd be hilarious.

[KIRA]

I hate Daniel Bryan. I've hated him from the very start. Maybe he can wrestle in the ring, but unfortunately it takes much more then that to be a star in wrestling. He doesn't have the look going on for him. He doesn't have charisma. He sucks on the Mic. He has no gimmick of his own.

I just don't buy into it. I think the only reason so many people say they do. Is because "it's the cool thing to do". Support the underdog, the underrated, undiscovered Brian Danielson. I bet half of the jack-offs who say they support him from the indy scenes never heard of him before NxT. I in particular don't give a shit about the indy scene. And you can bash all you want, but secretly you don't give a shit either.

Just the fact that your whole user title is based around a crappy band with a retard for a singer that stopped being relevant for most of us back in 9th grade

makes any argument from your end fall flat

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Dear god that ring is tiny.

[Xero]

Hey, I love the Final Countdown. Don't shoot the messenger. I just read in an interview or something that he picked it because he saw it on a list of bad songs, and thought it'd be hilarious.

Yeah, I read this too.

[Lara Emily]

Hey, I love the Final Countdown. Don't shoot the messenger. I just read in an interview or something that he picked it because he saw it on a list of bad songs, and thought it'd be hilarious.


Heh sorry, I think it workes really well though it has a recognizable (not that FOV doesn't but it's really not as audible an intro) intro, a mini countdown into the rest of the song, it practically times it self. Could you imagine lights go out, the opening riff plays then when it hits the countdown part the titan trons lights up counting down and then bam DB comes out right after the countdown.

[Gass]

I love Bryan; he's really won me over. He's the one guy on Raw right now whose matches I get excited for as soon as his entrance hits...he's a fantastic worker in ring; great athleticism AND ring psychology.

WWE has dropped the ball with his character a few times. The Cole shit comes to mind most readily. Cole doesn't like Daniel Bryan? Okay... so what? Why should I even care any more? It's been a one-sided feud; Bryan was never given a chance to respond to Cole's remarks. They should just phase the thing out and stop the distracting commentary.

I agree that the "dorky ladies man" persona failed to pan out. Again, WWE dropped the ball. The Bella/Bryan storyline was the same thing...week after week...for far too many weeks. Now he's with Gail Kim. Who cares? I don't see it going anywhere. The most likely thing that will happen is that Kim dumps him after a month or two and it turns out Eve Torres likes hims. I guess the Kim thing could work if they made them both "super bookworm nerds" together or something. Anyone have any other thoughts on this subject?

I would love a heel turn. Somewhere in between whiny-cocky-shit ala Miz and badass-who-talks-shit-and-backs-it-up.

A feud with Morrison would also be gold, assuming one of them turned heel. The JoMo/Bryan matches have been some of my favorite work in recent weeks. A feud could revamp both personas if done right, and reinvigorate the US Title scene too, eventually bringing in the likes of T-Kidd, R-Truth, and Dibiase.

[DLVH84]

Heh sorry, I think it workes really well though it has a recognizable (not that FOV doesn't but it's really not as audible an intro) intro, a mini countdown into the rest of the song, it practically times it self. Could you imagine lights go out, the opening riff plays then when it hits the countdown part the titan trons lights up counting down and then bam DB comes out right after the countdown.

WWE should do what ECW did...use not only production music, but popular music, past and present, around the world, for all the wrestlers to use and let the wrestlers choose what song...

Examples:
The Undertaker - "For Whom The Bell Tolls" by Metallica
Chris Jericho - "Thunderkiss '65" by White Zombie
Finlay - "Pride (In The Name Of Love)" by U2

[What Would Kevin Do?]

WWE should do what ECW did...use not only production music, but popular music, past and present, around the world, for all the wrestlers to use and let the wrestlers choose what song...

Examples:
The Undertaker - "For Whom The Bell Tolls" by Metallica
Chris Jericho - "Thunderkiss '65" by White Zombie
Finlay - "Pride (In The Name Of Love)" by U2

Nah, WWE isn't going to dump tons of money into getting licensed songs. Places like ROH and ECW could do it before they got on tv, but once you're on tv, they pretty much dropped it.

[Rammsteinmad]

Bryan is over, he just needs a good angle for people to care about.

I'm getting fed up with people saying 'He sucks. They teamed him with the Bellas and he still isn't over'.

Are you fucking kidding me? The Bellas? Like that's gonna work! Who the fuck cares about the Bellas? It's like 'oh we teamed him with the Bellas = instant success'. He's a fantastic wrestler and doesn't need all this crappy 'Bellas fighting over him' tackiness.

Give him a legit feud with someone and he'll get over.

[DLVH84]

Nah, WWE isn't going to dump tons of money into getting licensed songs. Places like ROH and ECW could do it before they got on tv, but once you're on tv, they pretty much dropped it.

At least do it for house shows.

[Xero]

At least do it for house shows.

What would be the point to this? Most people wouldn't know who the fuck was coming out.

[Troelar]

What would be the point to this? Most people wouldn't know who the fuck was coming out.

Houseshows could be Bizarro WWE! Every entrance song is different, and everyone has the reverse role! ZOMG!

Oh no wait, that's a stupid idea...

Also Bryan will be over by the time Summerslam hits! ... prolly...

[Tom Guycott]

Bryan is over, he just needs a good angle for people to care about.

I'm getting fed up with people saying 'He sucks. They teamed him with the Bellas and he still isn't over'.

Are you fucking kidding me? The Bellas? Like that's gonna work! Who the fuck cares about the Bellas? It's like 'oh we teamed him with the Bellas = instant success'. He's a fantastic wrestler and doesn't need all this crappy 'Bellas fighting over him' tackiness.

Give him a legit feud with someone and he'll get over.

This. Seems like they're doing the same thing to him as they did with Malenko: a non-working "ladies' man" angle instead of playing to his strengths. They cut everything short that was working for him- the Nexus bits, the feud with Cole, the US title feud with Teddy Jr., etc. It's like having the strap is just an apology for "firing"* him.

* I made my point on this before, I don't think he was legit "fired", and had a job waiting for him after his non-compete ran out so that whole bad pub thing could blow over.

[Dirk Ziggler]

Just the fact that your whole user title is based around a crappy band with a retard for a singer that stopped being relevant for most of us back in 9th grade

makes any argument from your end fall flat

You prove to me when Limp Bizkit stopped being cool...

It's a fucking joke slap nutz. See the animated avatar? It's supposed to press on the sarcasm a little harder for people like you who can't comprehend the joke in the name itself. Clearly I have touched a nerve with you in bashing your boy Daniel Bryanson. Last I checked the topic of the thread was solely made for the debate of this very discussion. It's not like I went on a "I love Daniel Bryanson" Thread and started informing people of the truth of his lameness. So therefore I think I have every right to make any argument. With it being Absolutely, and Completely Relevant. Whether my user name be Fred Bizkit, Justin Beiber, or Larry Busey- Garry Busey's younger undiscovered Step Brother.

[Dirk Ziggler]

Thank you for your original and inspired opinion. I find it hard to believe however that there's someone on tpww who doesn't like indy wrestling.

Seriously though, I've never understood the "you're doing it because it's the cool thing to do" argument. I'm fairly certain that most people here don't give two shits about like Danielson because some other people here do, and they want to be "cool." Have you ever considered that some people just like WRESTLING, and he's a good WRESTLER?



Are you seriously arguing with the fact that the majority of the people on here don't just jump on the ship with the most people? Sure people like you and I realize that this is just a simple internet forum with a bunch of nerds who have nothing else better to do with their free time.(yes this includes myself) There's no way you can seriously deny that most people, on any forum. Jump on board to "what's popular". Simply because it's popular. Maybe my wording of "doing it to be cool" wasn't the right way to say it. But the point I was trying to make is that the majority of people, especially those of the younger crowd jump on whatever's popular at the time.

[Fignuts]

Are you seriously arguing with the fact that the majority of the people on here don't just jump on the ship with the most people? Sure people like you and I realize that this is just a simple internet forum with a bunch of nerds who have nothing else better to do with their free time.(yes this includes myself) There's no way you can seriously deny that most people, on any forum. Jump on board to "what's popular". Simply because it's popular. Maybe my wording of "doing it to be cool" wasn't the right way to say it. But the point I was trying to make is that the majority of people, especially those of the younger crowd jump on whatever's popular at the time.

TPWW is not gamefaqs.

Maybe some of the newer, younger posters behave the way you describe, but the regulars like what they say they like, and dislike what they say they dislike.

You obviously don't post enough to make such accusations, as if you did, you would realize that there is a rather large group of posters who dislike daniel bryan and the indys in general.

Which, by the way, pretty much proves your arguement completely false.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not entirely convinced Daniel Bryan is not over. John Morrison got lukewarm pops before they decided to re-push him, etc. The thing is, every time I've seen Bryan wrestle, he's gotten the crowd so into it. I don't watch RAW too much, but on Superstars, PPV and SmackDown! -- every time. As many have said, the guy is not really doing anything. Put him in a meaningful feud and people will get behind him.

[Rammsteinmad]

Which is pretty much what I said. 'They teamed with The Bellas' doesn't really count as a storyline. And nobody cares about The Bellas anyway.

[MIZantine Empire]

Yeah, exactly. They were marking for Punk/Daniel Bryan. You won't get that in a non-smark city. Pretty sure they popped for Regal, too.
they popped for almost everyone..it almost felt like a sheepish crowd, but i was ok with it, because it provided a strong energy. they gave chavo a standing O (which he deserved) and you are right, they popped for regal. they also popped for Del Rio, Miz, Punk, Nexus music, hell the only one they didnt give a reaction too really was Kane, and thats because they all thought it was gonna be trips.

[MIZantine Empire]

I'm not entirely convinced Daniel Bryan is not over. John Morrison got lukewarm pops before they decided to re-push him, etc. The thing is, every time I've seen Bryan wrestle, he's gotten the crowd so into it. I don't watch RAW too much, but on Superstars, PPV and SmackDown! -- every time. As many have said, the guy is not really doing anything. Put him in a meaningful feud and people will get behind him.
no, they need to change his god awful entrance music. think of the great entrance musics, they get u pumped right away to see the gay, whether he is good or bad. his makes me want to take a trip to stock up on refreshments/use the bathroom/get a snack/etc.

[Juan]

A sheepish crowd, he says.

[Kane Knight]

A sheepish crowd, he says.

I didn't know they were in the Impact Zone.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What would be the point to this? Most people wouldn't know who the fuck was coming out.

Gob Bluth...I'd be disappointed if Bryan Danielson came out to that music instead of him.

[Ultra Mantis]

Daniel Bryan and Ted Dibiase are actually in a similar position, both of them were paired with divas they didn't necessarily have chemistry with and people complained that it didn't get them instantly over so they must totally suck.

The thing is the Bellas are not over, Maryse isn't really over for that matter so why would Bryan and Dibiase get over by association alone? They are just being given "something to do" at the moment instead of being pushed, take a look at the poor reactions Morrison was getting six months ago compared to the pops he's getting now.

[whiteyford]

Put him in a meaningful feud and people will get behind him.

I really think thats all he needs, some mic time and and angle that doesnt involve a diva. Also in the long term, the fact he hasnt been pushed down everyones throat can only be a positive when he does recieve a push.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan just don't create any spark for me...

Total lack of charisma or passion.

I think he needs to get taken out backstage or do something really heroic to get over with the crowd and that just hasn't happened yet either.

[Gertner]

He's not remotely over and never will be over because the crowd doesn't want to see somebody who resembles their english teacher wrestle, especially a style that is submission based. Combine that with he's bad on the mic and it aint gonna happen.

Stop with this bullshit that he's over. R Truth was pleading with the damn crowd to chant his name because he's so quiet. Stop making excuses.

[MIZantine Empire]

i didnt say they were a sheepish crowd, i said almost, and in this case it worked. like i said the energy in Boston was at a fever pitch the whole night. i still get chills seeing booker t's entrance, and listening to that huge ovation he got. plus Striker with his whole mark out thing was nice. this is the rare instance i think that the crowd cheerin almost everyone worked gloriously.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's not remotely over and never will be over because the crowd doesn't want to see somebody who resembles their english teacher wrestle, especially a style that is submission based. Combine that with he's bad on the mic and it aint gonna happen.

Stop with this bullshit that he's over. R Truth was pleading with the damn crowd to chant his name because he's so quiet. Stop making excuses.

You never even gave him a chance to be over. So, he was never over in your mind which is a 100 percent lie and you are braindead if you do not agree. If he had the top matches of the year with The Miz or Dolph Ziggler (other than HBK/Taker he did) it doesn't matter to you because you don't want to admit to it. Whatever changes your view point you just block it out or claim it never happened. Fatal Four-Way happened. The Daniel Bryan chants when he wasn't even fucking employed HAPPENED. If he's not over it's not because of his lack of trying. It's just fans are fucking stupid and want clones of John Cena. Don't blame Daniel Bryan for being different blame everybody else for being the same.

Fuck what happens on NXT. I only watch it to ask questions to the Fink which he usually gets to about one a show (rdamon1982 is my name on there if you ever see me in the chat.) They also allow me to call Brodus Clay King Koopa at least once a show and even got my DOOMSHIP comment when he came out last week.

The fans aren't into it because it's a bad concept. That's why they didn't ever put John Cena, Randy Orton, The Big Show, The Undertaker or Kane as pros. They don't want their real main event talent tarnished by bad crowd reactions and mehs. That's why they got the Miz and Michael Cole off of it too. It made Michael Cole an asshole and then they got him off the sinking ship when they realize the time was up. The main announcer on the show is only there because he has nowhere else he can commentate on because he sucked on Smackdown and sucks as an interviewer. The show sucks because of the concept not because of the talent. If any stars are made by NXT at this point you should just go ahead and call it an act of God. They should get Alberto Del Rio off that show right fucking now if they know what is good for them. Make Brodus Clay's pro Ricardo Rodriquez he's over enough to survive.

The fans seem to like the relationship between Daniel Bryan and Derrick Bateman. Maybe last night was just an isolated incident with a lackluster crowd. They know they are getting the B (Smackdown) and the C (NXT) shows and are pissed of that they missed The Royal Rumble and Monday Night Raw. The Blackman jokes went over. NXT is a comedy show not a wrestling show. It's a game show with a little bit of wrestling thrown in so they can say its still sport entertainment. It's like the Bobby the Brain Heenan Show and just like USA Network did the 1980;s SyFy was like "get this non-wrestling show off we have a contract for sports entertainment."

What gets filmed first? NXT or Smackdown? Maybe the fans are just too tired from Smackdown or are saving their pops for Smackdown.

[The Show Off]

Anyone that thinks Daniel Bryan isn't good on the mic simply hasn't heard him on the mic.

[Gertner]

You never even gave him a chance to be over. So, he was never over in your mind which is a 100 percent lie and you are braindead if you do not agree. If he had the top matches of the year with The Miz or Dolph Ziggler (other than HBK/Taker he did) it doesn't matter to you because you don't want to admit to it. Whatever changes your view point you just block it out or claim it never happened. Fatal Four-Way happened. The Daniel Bryan chants when he wasn't even fucking employed HAPPENED. If he's not over it's not because of his lack of trying. It's just fans are fucking stupid and want clones of John Cena. Don't blame Daniel Bryan for being different blame everybody else for being the same.

Fuck what happens on NXT. I only watch it to ask questions to the Fink which he usually gets to about one a show (rdamon1982 is my name on there if you ever see me in the chat.) They also allow me to call Brodus Clay King Koopa at least once a show and even got my DOOMSHIP comment when he came out last week.

The fans aren't into it because it's a bad concept. That's why they didn't ever put John Cena, Randy Orton, The Big Show, The Undertaker or Kane as pros. They don't want their real main event talent tarnished by bad crowd reactions and mehs. That's why they got the Miz and Michael Cole off of it too. It made Michael Cole an asshole and then they got him off the sinking ship when they realize the time was up. The main announcer on the show is only there because he has nowhere else he can commentate on because he sucked on Smackdown and sucks as an interviewer. The show sucks because of the concept not because of the talent. If any stars are made by NXT at this point you should just go ahead and call it an act of God. They should get Alberto Del Rio off that show right fucking now if they know what is good for them. Make Brodus Clay's pro Ricardo Rodriquez he's over enough to survive.

The fans seem to like the relationship between Daniel Bryan and Derrick Bateman. Maybe last night was just an isolated incident with a lackluster crowd. They know they are getting the B (Smackdown) and the C (NXT) shows and are pissed of that they missed The Royal Rumble and Monday Night Raw. The Blackman jokes went over. NXT is a comedy show not a wrestling show. It's a game show with a little bit of wrestling thrown in so they can say its still sport entertainment. It's like the Bobby the Brain Heenan Show and just like USA Network did the 1980;s SyFy was like "get this non-wrestling show off we have a contract for sports entertainment."

What gets filmed first? NXT or Smackdown? Maybe the fans are just too tired from Smackdown or are saving their pops for Smackdown.

Lol wow, are you his agent? Stop making excuses! "Lackluster crowd, stupid crowd, crowd not warmed up" how about he's a boring vanilla midget that only fat ass smarks jerk off to and won't admit that their golden boy can't cut it in the big leagues. He's getting no reactions on Raw or NXT because HE'S BORING!

[Beth Phoenix Fan]

I'm really tired of the Hate towards Daniel Bryan.

he is a great wrestler and is maybe a future world champion if he gets used right.

note: for anyone hates daniel bryan keep the damn hate to yourself!
(p.s + rep for anyone who is a fan of bryan.)

[Juan]

Gertner, it must be so cool to be the only internet wrestling fan who isn't fat or a nerd. Tell me more about it.

[XL]

I don't get why anyone would hate a guy that has worked his way up the ranks of the business for the last 10+ years. If you find him boring, fine. But to "Hate" the guy!?

As has been said, he needs a proper fued.

The way I see this thing with Kim is that it's an attempt to make her relevant again (at last).

[Gertner]

Gertner, it must be so cool to be the only internet wrestling fan who isn't fat or a nerd. Tell me more about it.

It's a pretty cool experience. I'll write a blog about it.

[Nightwing]

Yeah its really hard to care about someone who is booked shitty. Put him in some feuds with top tier guys and let them go. People will care. No one cares about this Bellas shit.

[Lock Jaw]

Anyone that thinks Daniel Bryan isn't good on the mic simply hasn't heard him on the mic.

I thought he was good in his rants against Michael Cole on NXT.

Every other time he has picked up a mic since then (basically his feud with Miz) he has been kinda bland.

[RGWhat316]

This is great btw!

<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Fd_6ATumTig" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>


They fake Bryan Danielson coming out to the NXT theme and then cut into Final Countdown.

HA, I was actually at this show. It was only a week or 2 after he got released from WWE. Even got an autograph and pic afterwards.

[Graveler]

Yeah its really hard to care about someone who is booked shitty. Put him in some feuds with top tier guys and let them go. People will care. No one cares about this Bellas shit.

This. I think part of the bad booking has to do with the fact that most of his matches have largely been squash matches. He would really benefit from having a best of 5 feud with someone for the title.

[Lock Jaw]

Have Bryan's ladies man gimmick take a turn. Him and Gail go heel, and are joined by Awesome Kong and A.J.

[dingdongyo]

This. I think part of the bad booking has to do with the fact that most of his matches have largely been squash matches. He would really benefit from having a best of 5 feud with someone for the title.

so would anybody else on the planet, yes?

[whiteyford]

And nobody cares about The Bellas anyway.

I care about the Bellas:nono:

:shifty:

[Testicle]

Glad someone did this thread.

He is totally right. He is not over, its not working. They are trying to do stuff with him and the fans are not reacting. And before we get a bunch of smarks going, 'WELL THEY GAVE HIM A BAD GIMMICK ITS NOT HIS FAULT!' save it because they pushed him hard when he first got there. His first match was with the WHC Chris Jericho, while he was still on NXT he would wrestle on RAW in main-event matches with The Miz and Batista. Oh and lets not forget that he was booked in the biggest angle of 2010 with the Nexus invasion. So ITS HIS FUCKING FAULT HE IS NOT OVER!

[Testicle]

They gave Dusty Rhodes polka dots, he made it work.

They gave Dustin Rhodes a wig and lust for dudes, he made it work.

They gave Booker T a crown and a speach impedement, he made it work.

If he's half as good as the IWC thinks he is then make it work.

[Fignuts]

They gave Dusty Rhodes polka dots, he made it work.

They gave Dustin Rhodes a wig and lust for dudes, he made it work.

They gave Booker T a crown and a speach impedement, he made it work.

If he's half as good as the IWC thinks he is then make it work.

Dusty Rhodes made it work because he is Dusty fucking Rhodes. He was already a national star. And those other guys made it work because they actually had something to work with.

Ok, they gave Dustin Runnels a wig and lust for dudes. What did they give Daniel Bryan? Nothing.

I am not a huge Daniel Bryan mark. I enjoy his ring work, but have not been impressed by anything else, besides slightly enjoying that promo he cut on NXT.

And I do think his fans make excuses for him.

That said, he is nowhere near the failure his detractors say he is. Just because he isn't getting Cena or Orton pops doesn't mean he is not over. He still gets a decent reaction from the crowd, which is fine for where he is on the card.

[Juan]

Ziggler and Bryan had some of the best matches of WWE in 2010. That's really all I care about when it comes down to it (him having good matches, that is).

[Fignuts]

Funny that you bring up Dustin Runnels, because before Goldust came along, he was in the same boat. Good wrestler, decent reaction from the crowd, but was never really given anything to go off of personality wise.

[Ruien]

Oh, and change his music.

Classical music does not hype up the crowd.

CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!!

[Gertner]

Changing his music would definitely help.

[DLVH84]

Funny that you bring up Dustin Runnels, because before Goldust came along, he was in the same boat. Good wrestler, decent reaction from the crowd, but was never really given anything to go off of personality wise.

If it wasn't for that assclown Hogan, he would've stayed in WCW and Goldust wouldn't happen. That god damn no-blood policy.

[Tom Guycott]

On the subject of "no one wants to see submission style wrestling": they can if he was pushed as a bad-ass submission machine that laid waste and made everyone he came across tap out. You know, like they did with Angle, or like Benoit, or like Taz(z) before they made him a joke. Doesn't work so well when it isn't being showcased. I also guarantee "Ride of the Valkyries" would get over in that instance too.

On the subject of "not being given anything to work with": he's not. Yeah, Undertaker took being a glorified mortician to heights beyond anyones imagination... but do you think he could have pulled that same shit off if he were given gimmicks like "The Dumpster" or whateverthefuck "Bastian Booger" was? Doubtful. Cody Rhodes was kinda floundering like Ted, and one Diva's poll changed his life. If there were no "Die Rocky Die" backlash, you think he would have been the star he is today? That shitty "3rd generation superstar" thing he was initally saddled with wasn't working for him. Or Orton.
Give Danielson something he can run with that (say it with me now) PLAYS TO HIS STRENGTHS!

On the subject of "it being his fucking fault he's not over": By that logic, Christian isn't world champion by now because of his own mistakes? Get the fuck outta here! I couldn't get over either if everything that WERE working to get the crowd behind me gets inexplicably derailed. "OH SHIT, HE JUST CURB STOMPED COLE AND... oh, wait, that's done?" "Wha, hey! US Title feud with DiBiase and... nevermind." Taken off of TV for choking Justin Roberts with a tie (which Justin sold like a champ! What a trooper!). Now, what's he doing? Condoning cheating on a show proven that no one cares about and unsuccessfully trying to keep Gail Kim off of a Bella. This makes him look foolish. This does not help him. This does not aid in getting him over.

[Rammsteinmad]

Ah Tom Guycott, your efforts are noble, but sadly people right now are more excited about a possible feud between The Big Show and a 51-year-old-well-past-his-prime (if he ever had one) Kevin Nash, than a brilliant wrestler like Daniel Bryan.

The IWC is a crazy place.

[Troelar]

Seeing as it's WM season and a lot seems to be revolving around other stars right now - Nash and Booker might have some role in WM storylines, the 21st might reveal something new aswell, there's Corre and Nexus running about - given all that I doubt that Bryan will be seeing a gimmick change or an actual push until after WM.

I'm not saying he wont be at WM defending the US title or some such thing (maybe unification could be on the cards for WM?), but I doubt anything major will change until after WM!
Another aspect is that you don't want to leave your crowd with too many changes all at once. Let's just assume that Sting returns - not only will people be unlikely to lively discuss how Bryan just made Gail Kim tap out, the WWE wont make that change to Bryan exactly because nothing (midcard) should potentially outshine their big change!

After WM I think we could expect a push for Bryan - although I doubt it'll be making Gail Kim tap out. . .

[Gertner]

Nice reaction Bryan got on NXT this week......oh wait.

[Swiss Ultimate]

<object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/kLVvgGy6ulw?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/kLVvgGy6ulw?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

32 minutes...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Nice reaction Bryan got on NXT this week......oh wait.

Hey remember when they were chanting his name in the royal rumble, you fuckwit.

[Gertner]

It was in Boston, a huge smark city. How'd he fare on Raw and NXT this week?

[CSL]

Ah Tom Guycott, your efforts are noble, but sadly people right now are more excited about a possible feud between The Big Show and a 51-year-old-well-past-his-prime (if he ever had one) Kevin Nash, than a brilliant wrestler like Daniel Bryan.

The IWC is a crazy place.

lol yes, the IWC would rather see Kevin Nash than Bryan Danielson. You idiot.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It was in Boston, a huge smark city. How'd he fare on Raw and NXT this week?

You have an excuse for everything don't you? If Providence gave him a pop you'd say it was just a mark crowd too right? Fuck you.

[XL]

Does anyone get a reaction on NXT?

The show isn't even on TV and the majority of fans didn't watch it when it was. They film it before SmackDown right? The show that the people have paid to see. If anything NXT is just annoying to the live audience.

[blake639raw]

Gertner's just a troll. Who cares what he thinks?

[Mr. Nerfect]

It was in Boston, a huge smark city. How'd he fare on Raw and NXT this week?

So when Daniel Bryan does get good pops, it doesn't count? Regardless of what the reason was, Bryan got a huge pop at the Royal fucking Rumble PPV. You can say "smark city" all you want, but it's a big city, a frequent stop on the WWE's schedule, and hosted one of the biggest PPVs of the year.

It's second only to discounting a huge pop Daniel Bryan hypothetically gets at WrestleMania.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Daniel Bryan consistently gets one of the better reactions on NXT. I've watched bits and pieces, but Bryan is constantly getting the fans to chant "Bateman" for his rookie and such. He's gotten Bateman over (not despite Bateman -- I like the guy and he is working in his own favour) to the point where he's got to be the favourite to take NXT, despite hardly ever winning any matches.

Also, I once heard Shawn Michaels come out to a pretty much nothing pop on RAW once. It happens. You get audiences that don't pop much. If Gertner is looking for that standing ovation every time he comes out, then it's not going to happen.

The WWE is obviously very happy with Daniel Bryan:

* These days he wins more often than he loses, and is constantly making bitches tap out. He's also the longest reigning current champion in the WWE.

* Just look at how he was treated in the Royal Rumble. Given the early spotlight with CM Punk, and hung in there with him, and eliminated two guys (Justin Gabriel and Zack Ryder). These guys ARE over, and it shows where the WWE puts them in comparison to Bryan.

* He got featured in a segment, albeit filler, prior to the actual Rumble Match. I'm trying to remember if we even have a Cena backstage interview at the PPV. The WWE wants Bryan to get over, and they're going to keep trying with him.

Also, who says that the WWE doesn't like Bryan coming out to the quiet classical music, and then kicking ass and getting the fans into a frenzy? Maybe the WWE doesn't actually want Bryan to come out to hardcore rock music and getting the fans pumped right from the get-go? Vince has had weird fetishes in the past.

[Fignuts]

Justin Gabriel and Zach Ryder are over on superstars, come on.

[Swiss Ultimate]

<object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/fhzWBitP4vg?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fhzWBitP4vg?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

[Swiss Ultimate]

<object width="480" height="320"><param name="movie" value="http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/video/xex8z5?width=&theme=none&foreground=%23F7FFFD&highlight=%23FFC300&background=%23171D1B&start=&animatedTitle=&iframe=0&additionalInfos=0&autoPlay=0&hideInfos=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/video/xex8z5?width=&theme=none&foreground=%23F7FFFD&highlight=%23FFC300&background=%23171D1B&start=&animatedTitle=&iframe=0&additionalInfos=0&autoPlay=0&hideInfos=0" width="480" height="320" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always"></embed></object><br /><b><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xex8z5_daniel-bryan-wins-u-s-title_sport">Daniel Bryan Wins U.S Title</a></b><br /><i>Uploaded by <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/Mazden90">Mazden90</a>. - <a target="_self" href="http://www.dailymotion.com/us/channel/sport">More professional, college and classic sports videos.</a></i>

[Swiss Ultimate]

<object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iQTn3YugPe8?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iQTn3YugPe8?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

[CSL]

Any excuse to post this video:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/AAW20e-R7-s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Yeah it's about the 18th time I've ever posted it. Eat meee.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Justin Gabriel and Zach Ryder are over on superstars, come on.

I've never seen Justin Gabriel even compete on Superstars. Are you truthfully trying to say that the Nexus was not over?

[Lock Jaw]

I'd say Justin Gabriel was like the only other member of The Nexus who got over quickly, just for his 450 Splash.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Any excuse to post this video:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/AAW20e-R7-s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Yeah it's about the 18th time I've ever posted it. Eat meee.

First time I've seen this, and that is awesome. This is the sort of thing that could get Daniel Bryan pretty over with the WWE crowd. Dedicate a segment like this, and tell the career story of Daniel Bryan -- backyard wrestler with dreams to independent wrestler creating fantasies to WWE Superstar living his dream and coming close to making the fantasies of many hardcore fans a reality.

[dingdongyo]

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/nf-kiUcAdVI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

i found this interesting. but that could also be because i'm bored out of my fucking mind.

[Lock Jaw]

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/nf-kiUcAdVI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

i found this interesting. but that could also be because i'm bored out of my fucking mind.

Perfect example! That Daniel Bryan guy gets no response at all!


:shifty:

[Tom Guycott]

First time I've seen this, and that is awesome. This is the sort of thing that could get Daniel Bryan pretty over with the WWE crowd. Dedicate a segment like this, and tell the career story of Daniel Bryan -- backyard wrestler with dreams to independent wrestler creating fantasies to WWE Superstar living his dream and coming close to making the fantasies of many hardcore fans a reality.

... only if they edit it down for time so that it's about the length of a "Desire" video package, edit out the part where he was in the Nexus/was released, and if WWE ponied up the cash it would take for him to come out to Final Countdown.

[Indifferent Clox]

He needs an angle obviously. But he has beaten the number one contender for the samckdown title 3 times, he's beaten the raw world champion. If they'd play up these facts and maybe gave him a video showing off his independent past I think he could get over huge.

He has mic skills when he's a heel. If he didn't you wouldn't have people chanting 'you're gonna get you're fucking head kicked in' and 'I have till five'.

You say its just smarks, gertner, but every wrestler I know likes bryan danielson, maybe we are all just smarks.

[XL]

TBF it is MUCH easier to get over as a heel. I doubt Miz or Dolph would be as cherished here if they were faces. Part of it is the happy-go-lucky, cookie cutter approach to babyfaces that WWE takes but it's always been easier to be a heel.

That's why you hear the "they need to turn him heel" line all the time. Faces tend to be bland. Look at the most popular guys in recent history - Austin was anti-hero, the nWo where "cool heels" and so on.

For me it's not a heel/face thing with Bryan. They just need to let him cut loose and be a bad ass wrestling machine. That'd work whether he was a face or heel.

[Gertner]

How'd his run in to help Lawler go? What's the excuse this time?

[Juan]

Ok Gert, you win, Daniel Bryan sucks. Get over it.

[Gertner]

Validation.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

How'd his run in to help Lawler go? What's the excuse this time?

Umm.... I thought it went pretty well. It was good segment. You're a toolbag.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Haven't seen the segment. The guy beat The Miz & Ted DiBiase, though. Yeah, he's going nowhere.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Though it's interesting to note, not even Vince McMahon got a pop... or at the very least was distressed by the reaction he got.

Still don't see how Bryan got a bad reaction though. Thought it was one of the hotter segments of the show.

[MoFo]

The crowd was dead all night, the only thing that got any heat was R-Truth fucking up.

[ron the dial]

i was at the milwaukee show and i'll say that daniel bryan's moves got some decent pops, but he as a character didn't. the potential is there, they just need to give him an angle that doesn't involve a diva. let him get over on his wrestling skill, because people seem to enjoy that. makes sense!

and as far as r-truth fucking up being the only thing getting heat, vickie's heat was louder than cena's pop. it was ridiculous. but the crowd was pretty tame until she came out.

[XL]

I was about to say that his moves seemed to get over pretty well but WepX beat me to the punch (or in this case, beat me to the really hard kick to the back).

[Damian Rey]

His moves usually garner some sort of positive reaction. His PPV matches always open with a "meh" response once his music hits, but by mid match he and the guy he's working with usually have the crowd involved.

Put him in a real fued with a guy that he can play off of both on the mic and in the ring, and the fans will care. How can you expect anybody to care for a performer if there's nothing there to care about?

[Tom Guycott]

They can bring up something that happened 2 years ago to fuel CM Punk and Orton, but can't logic something consistent for DiBiase and Bryan... they just kinda bled into the Lawler/Miz feud and are enemies by association. Brilliant bunch of office monkeys there in Stamford.

[Damian Rey]

Yep. You know, a Daniel Bryan/Alex Riley program is just waiting for the chance to go. Riley's building some heat hanging around the Miz, and he hasn't done a shit ton of wrestling.

Why they haven't penned this to keep the Bryan/Miz/Cole triangle feud alive is beyond me. It gets Riley in the ring, keeps Bryan involved with Miz and Cole, and also gives someone Bryan can play off of.

[Juan]

They can bring up something that happened 2 years ago to fuel CM Punk and Orton, but can't logic something consistent for DiBiase and Bryan... they just kinda bled into the Lawler/Miz feud and are enemies by association. Brilliant bunch of office monkeys there in Stamford.

To be fair, CM Punk had to remind creative about that angle to include it in their current feud.

[Volare]

Continuing off of Damian, if Derrick Bateman wins NXT, he could go into a program with Riley after the Tag Title storyline. Easy build up of who is the better protege.

[Providence Peep]

Put him in a real fued with a guy that he can play off of both on the mic and in the ring, and the fans will care. How can you expect anybody to care for a performer if there's nothing there to care about?

Yeah, some other people have posted the same thing in this thread and it's true. If Daniel Bryan is "the best wrestler no one cares about," then that's only because the writers are being idiots. You'd think they'd try a little harder with the guy instead of being so apathetic.

The "nerd" angle is not the way to go. This Bella angle certainly hasn't done much for anyone. Has Bryan ever gone after Cole for always poking fun at him? I don't remember. If not, have Bryan go up to Cole, slap his headset off, drag him into the ring, and put him in the Labell Lock. Then you'll see how much more "over" Bryan becomes, especially nowadays with Cole being such an annoyance. The IWC knows Bryan is an ass kicking machine... now everyone needs to know it. Fuck this "nerd" bullshit.

[Rammsteinmad]

lol yes, the IWC would rather see Kevin Nash than Bryan Danielson. You idiot.

Sorry, people on TPWW weren't getting excited about a possible Big Show VS Kevin Nash match at Wrestlemania. I made it up.

[Tom Guycott]

Has Bryan ever gone after Cole for always poking fun at him? I don't remember.

Well, there was this one time where he called Cole "a poor-man's JR" and proceeded to kick his fuckin' head in, but it was on NXT, so no one cared.

[XL]

Yeah, some other people have posted the same thing in this thread and it's true. If Daniel Bryan is "the best wrestler no one cares about," then that's only because the writers are being idiots. You'd think they'd try a little harder with the guy instead of being so apathetic.

The "nerd" angle is not the way to go. This Bella angle certainly hasn't done much for anyone. Has Bryan ever gone after Cole for always poking fun at him? I don't remember. If not, have Bryan go up to Cole, slap his headset off, drag him into the ring, and put him in the Labell Lock. Then you'll see how much more "over" Bryan becomes, especially nowadays with Cole being such an annoyance. The IWC knows Bryan is an ass kicking machine... now everyone needs to know it. Fuck this "nerd" bullshit.
They did pretty much that after he was eliminated from S1 of NXT. If I recall it got a pretty good reaction.

In fact I'd go as far as to say that they intended to fued him with Mix/Cole straight after NXT but then the Nexus angle came along and that idea got laid to rest. Then of course he was "released" and brought back in to fue with Miz minus the Cole angle.

But you're right, if they did the Bryan/Cole stuff it'd go over pretty well.

[Gertner]

It would help if he weren't a vanilla midget.

[CSL]

Sorry, people on TPWW weren't getting excited about a possible Big Show VS Kevin Nash match at Wrestlemania. I made it up.

Yeah, that's what my post was aimed at. Nothing to do with you basically stating Nash was essentially more over and rated higher than Danielson by 'the IWC'. Jesus Christ.

[Rammsteinmad]

Fuck me I'm really confused now.

Basically, my story: people on TPWW are saying DB isn't over, then I see people getting excited about Nash VS Show. Then my comments.

I really can't tell whether you're agreeing with me, not agreeing with me, calling me an idiot because you agree with me but I misunderstood and thought you were disagreeing...

Whatever though, I'm not rereading the thread to understand the point of your posts. I'll let it fly.

:wave:

[Damian Rey]

I still don't why they dropped the Bryan/Cole feud. While Cole rips into everyone, he goes out of his way for Daniel Bryan.

I still think the Riley feud could fly. Riley needs a spin off feud, and Bryan makes sense. Having him interfere this past Monday could open the door for Riley to get going against Bryan for the US belt at Mania.

I think both Riley and Bryan could use the rub of having a good Mania match, especially if it's the opener.

[CSL]

Fuck me I'm really confused now.

Basically, my story: people on TPWW are saying DB isn't over, then I see people getting excited about Nash VS Show. Then my comments.

I really can't tell whether you're agreeing with me, not agreeing with me, calling me an idiot because you agree with me but I misunderstood and thought you were disagreeing...

Whatever though, I'm not rereading the thread to understand the point of your posts. I'll let it fly.

:wave:

I'll spell it out peaches:

Ah Tom Guycott, your efforts are noble, but sadly people right now are more excited about a possible feud between The Big Show and a 51-year-old-well-past-his-prime (if he ever had one) Kevin Nash, than a brilliant wrestler like Daniel Bryan.

The IWC is a crazy place.

You insinuate here that the IWC is a 'crazy place' because they'd rather see Show/Nash (HAWT team name btw) than anything involving Bryan Danielson. Despite the only people riding Nash's balls being me, Hasney and a few others, the talk of a Show/Nash match being nothing more than a few posts of speculation from people that read something into the two of them looking at each other at RR and Bryan Danielson being the undisputed #1 darling of the IWC. You dig?

[CSL]

Nashow

[Rammsteinmad]

I dig.

Just still don't understand you making such a fuss about it.

[CSL]

lol making a negative comment does not equal 'making a fuss' or 'taking things seriously' as some others like to claim, seems to be an automatic response to criticism from some sensitive souls on here. You realize it takes equally as long (or short) to call you an idiot as it does to somehow praise you or something you've written? I made a simple response nearly a week ago (that I'd forgotten about btw) where (I figured at least) it was quite obvious what I was talking about. You responded to my post, completely missing the point. I explained. That's pretty much about it. No fuss sweetheart.

[ron the dial]

i think the only way to settle this thing is for wwe to book kevin nash vs. daniel bryan in a winner rules the universe match. clearly nash is the defending champion.

[Rammsteinmad]

You called me an idiot. :(

[Lock Jaw]

They need to give Bryan big Clark Kent-like glasses to solidify his "nerd" status. He would then take them off and transform into a "Superman" in the ring.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Change the title of this thread to "the greatest wrestler that Heyman doesn't care about.' Actually if you didn't care you wouldn't have even bothered to write a post. So, you care.