Official RAW Thread for 02/21/11 - Watch the rafters, THE STINGER DEBUTS!

[ClockShot]

I never got Hacksaws appeal but cool to see him go in nonetheless

He was good for the kids. Love your country and carry a big stick.

[Emperor Smeat]

:D Hacksaw Jim Duggan for the HoF.

[Providence Peep]

"Hacksaw" definitely deserves it.

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! :y:

[RawRocks]

Michael Cole gets beat up.. any bets?

[Graveler]

Good on Duggan. I could've swore he was already in it

[ClockShot]

Michael Cole gets beat up.. any bets?

Doubt it.

Either Cole or King lay a finger on each other, they're fired.

[Fignuts]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about sheamus vs HHH and Barrett vs Taker?

Really? I'm the only one?

[jasean21]

Michael Cole gets beat up.. any bets?

(singing) I got 5 on it

[Eklipse]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about sheamus vs HHH and Barrett vs Taker?

Really? I'm the only one?

I just find it weird that they dropped those story lines...I guess they wanted bigger matches for WrestleMania though. Can't say I blame them.

[jkman61494]

I really can't get myself wrapped around that it would truly be HHH's last match. It'd be really really anti-climatic to have him be out almost a year, to have him keep teasing everyone in interviews for months, only to come back for one match.

[Juan]

Ouch

[KIRA]

DANG

low blow dosent even cut it

[jasean21]

I he said MOM's Its over!!!!!

[Corndad]

Kick his ass King.

[RawRocks]

Okay this is going too far

[jasean21]

I think he gonna really hurt him

[GoneFishing]

They really had to drag that in? Really?

[jkman61494]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about sheamus vs HHH and Barrett vs Taker?

Really? I'm the only one?

I don't know. Considering the WWE is in this youth movement, I have to say that yes, I was anticipating the revenge of HHH against Sheamus in some gimmick match.

I also wanted to know WHY Barrett exactly interfered in the 'Taker match.

Heck, why was there no retribution for Kane?


Seeing how they'll ALL be scrapped just seem really weird.

[ClockShot]

Sheesh, they still gotta go this route.

[Fignuts]

Cole is gonna get it.

[Jura]

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[jasean21]

Cole vs King

[Eklipse]

I can see HHH retiring...he's had a longer career than a lot of other stars. Especially the career that he's had at the top. He might just want to give it up (atleast the wrestling aspect) so that he doesn't end up in a wheelchair at 50 years old. I would respect that more than seeing him become another Hogan or Flair.

[jasean21]

GM TIME!!!!!

[jkman61494]

So I guess this is another example of TV-PG ending? I mean really? They'll fire someone over make believe choking someone, but Mattell isn't going to have an issue of making fun of someone's mother dying last week? really?

[Fignuts]

lol cole

[RawRocks]

Run Cole Run

[KIRA]

Lawler is TOMATO RED

[jasean21]

Heath Slater looks like a GAY Simon Belmont

[ClockShot]

KNICKS GET CARMELO!

[jasean21]

So I guess this is another example of TV-PG ending? I mean really? They'll fire someone over make believe choking someone, but Mattell isn't going to have an issue of making fun of someone's mother dying last week? really?

I think its time to go back to Jakks, so King could whip his ass

[Corndad]

Dang, I kinda can't wait to see Cole get his ass kicked at Mania. Its like the normal Vince match spot where everyone just wants to see his ass get kicked (Exp: vs Shane, vs Hogan, vs HBK, vs Bret)

[Eklipse]

HHH and 'Taker segment should have been saved for last in my opinon.

[Fignuts]

I don't know. Considering the WWE is in this youth movement, I have to say that yes, I was anticipating the revenge of HHH against Sheamus in some gimmick match.

I also wanted to know WHY Barrett exactly interfered in the 'Taker match.

Heck, why was there no retribution for Kane?


Seeing how they'll ALL be scrapped just seem really weird.

Like this is the first time a returning superstar hasn't gone after the last guy he was feuding with.

Also, mania is a much bigger deal than those feuds, and I would much rather see an epic like Triple H vs Taker than any of those other options.

And it's not like they can't go back to those feuds after mania. AFter all, Punk didn't get revenge on orton for 2 years.

[KIRA]

So I guess this is another example of TV-PG ending? I mean really? They'll fire someone over make believe choking someone, but Mattell isn't going to have an issue of making fun of someone's mother dying last week? really? Youre just now cluing in to the fact that Vince and the writing team have no hangups about exploiting the departed.

Anyways Im pretty sure they had to get the OK from King to use that.

[Eklipse]

^This is why Fignuts' posts make my dick hard...
'Taker vs. Barrett at Backlash. Do they even have that ppv anymore?

[Providence Peep]

Will The Rock come out after this match??????

[jasean21]

KNICKS GOT MELO!!!!!!!!

[Eklipse]

Doubt it. Rock will reply to Cena next week on RAW via satellite.

[ClockShot]

Remember when Cena & HBK were tag champs for like 3 weeks. And HBK kicked Cena's head off?

Good times.

[Providence Peep]

Anyways Im pretty sure they had to get the OK from King to use that.

Of course. Hell, Lawler might have even *suggested* for Cole to say that. Still sort of surprising, though.

[KIRA]

Damn I was hoping the Rock pointing it out last week would result it Cena getting rid of those gaudy shirts.

[parkmania]

'Taker vs. Barrett at Backlash.

Nah, Taker will have had to walk to the ring a half-dozen times and have 1 match between now and Mania - he'll need to go have his knees scoped and be out for 6 more months after WM.

[Providence Peep]

Btw, my heart goes out to Lawler. First he lost his mother, then he lost the ppv match. They really should have let him win the championship, even if only to lose it tonight or next week.

[jasean21]

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!

[Eklipse]

I don't see why there's this much 'Taker hate on here. You guys act like he's completely broken and can't go anymore.

I guarantee you that HHH vs Taker will be the best match of the night at 'Mania.

And New tag champs...didn't see that one coming!

[Fignuts]

the fuck was that?

[Corndad]

The hell was that??????

[RawRocks]

well.. what to think of this...

[ClockShot]

WHAT?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!

DID I JUST NOT MENTION CENA & HBK?!

[Hanso Amore]

Didnt they do this Tag Champ thing with HBK just like 4 years ago?

[GoneFishing]

What just happened?

[Cool King]

Is this going to be another "Oh no, the WrestleMania opponents are Tag Team Champions. What will happen now?" thing?

That always seems to happen with Cena. :-\

Damn.

[Corndad]

Was that Necessary? lol

[Eklipse]

Now we're going to get to see Cena dominate Slater and Gabriel.

[jasean21]

Damn for a sec Cena had gold again!!! lmao

[Fignuts]

I like how heath slater just stood there.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: Barrett still amazing at giving orders.

Does fix a bit of a "wtf" feeling for Corre to randomly lose the title without any hatred between Cena and Miz.

[Cool King]

Hopefully The Corre use The Freebird Rule and Barrett & Jackson are in this match instead of Slater & Gabriel.

[RawRocks]

thats a first.. a historic first...






























The Anonymous Raw GM not spoken through the voice of Michael Cole!

[jasean21]

and lets not forget for us junkies, HBK AND AUSTIN, HBK AND DIESEL, ROCK and FOLEY, same gimmick on repeat....

[DLVH84]

Btw, my heart goes out to Lawler. First he lost his mother, then he lost the ppv match. They really should have let him win the championship, even if only to lose it tonight or next week.

I agree, Peep. At least we'll see King kick Mitchell Cole's ass at WrestleMania.

[Skippord]

go the Corrs

[Eklipse]

The RAW GM is a fast-typing son of a bitch.

[Savio]

ugh why give them the titles?

[Fignuts]

skull crushing finale to cena to give corre the win. calling it now.

[Cool King]

thats a first.. a historic first...






























The Anonymous Raw GM not spoken through the voice of Michael Cole!

I think CM Punk was the first to do that.

[Providence Peep]

Before the show started tonight, I said Steve Borden had a choice to make. Either show up on the WWE's flagship show - the longest-running weekly episodic show in television history, or show up on the Trinity Broadcasting Network's flagship show and host "Praise the Lord." I guess he went with TBN.

Now if I can be serious for a minute, do you guys think VKM ever even *wanted* Sting for WM?

[jasean21]

I wouldnt mind having them as tag team champs for awhile to add to the drama

[jasean21]

Before the show started tonight, I said Steve Borden had a choice to make. Either show up on the WWE's flagship show - the longest-running weekly episodic show in television history, or show up on the Trinity Broadcasting Network's flagship show and host "Praise the Lord." I guess he went with TBN.

Nothing worng with either choice though....

[jkman61494]

So is Miz getting face heat only because of Cena being on his team?

Or is there the actually possibility the guy is actually starting to get fans? Because he's getting some nice pops.

[Eklipse]

Is it just me or is the crowd completely behind Miz right now?

[jasean21]

I bet they are gonna run some angle where the Miz is gonna learn something about hinir vs Cena

[ClockShot]

:rofl:

GREAT!

[KIRA]

Ezekiel Jackson just dosent do it for me prefer Taver hes a scary mofo

[Eklipse]

skull crushing finale to cena to give corre the win. calling it now.

:y:

[Fignuts]

skull crushing finale to cena to give corre the win. calling it now.

Fignuts Wins

Flawless Victory

[jkman61494]

So ummm, what sense did that make story wise? Miz gets his ass kicked around for ten minutes only to then......screw Cena and thus himself out of the match? What in the heck is up with that.

[jasean21]

i meant to say honor but nevermind and No Sting :-( well at least the nba provided good drama!!! Melo=Knicks!!!!

[KIRA]

is he stroking the title

[Providence Peep]

is he stroking the title

Yeah, and now that the show is over and him and Riley are backstage, they'll be stroking each other.

[Eklipse]

is he stroking the title

I stroke my "title" all the time.

[Savio]

Cena is now like an 8 time tag champ

[KIRA]

Yeah, and now that the show is over and him and Riley are backstage, they'll be stroking each other.


you and I always seem to wind up here :D

[Providence Peep]

I stroke my "title" all the time.

Is that why people call you slapnuts?

[jasean21]

Cena is now like an 8 time tag champ

It does seem like they do that some times to pad wrestlers stats

[Lara Emily]

Raw was god awful

[Providence Peep]

you and I always seem to wind up here :D

Backstage stroking each other?

[CSL]

Cena is now like an 8 time tag champ

It's like 3 or 4 tops

[Providence Peep]

Raw was god awful

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Lara Emily]

First hour was solid, clusterfuck from "big reveal" on

[Eklipse]

Is that why people call you slapnuts?
You bet your sweet ass it is.


Raw was god awful
I disagree, but whatever. To each his...or her...own?

On your behalf, I would like to say that they have pretty much thrown Wade Barrett's push away.

[KIRA]

Backstage stroking each other?

Nope I mean making quips and innuendo concerning the miz and his soulmate

[Providence Peep]

First hour was solid, clusterfuck from "big reveal" on

I wouldn't say it was "god awful," but it did seem a bit unorganized at times. It's like the writers realize WM is right around the corner so they crammed as much as they possibly could into one show tonight. They could have planned better.

[Jura]

I would have had Cena and Miz be tag champs and stay like that for a few Raws and have the Taker/HHH thing at the end of Raw.

[Lara Emily]

You bet your sweet ass it is.



I disagree, but whatever. To each his...or her...own?

On your behalf, I would like to say that they have pretty much thrown Wade Barrett's push away.

Barrett vs Show is probably gonna be the match (fucking hated what they did to Wade last night, making him run like a coward then getting squashed to a guy who barely is worth talking about anymore, if Barrett even ends up at Mania

[jasean21]

You bet your sweet ass it is.



I disagree, but whatever. To each his...or her...own?

On your behalf, I would like to say that they have pretty much thrown Wade Barrett's push away.

I agree, it seems like they just took Barrett and put him in the IC belt category (Really good... but has to wait awhile)

[KIRA]

On your behalf, I would like to say that they have pretty much thrown Wade Barrett's push away.



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[Eklipse]

"Okay, we're going to give you all these main-event pushes and have you feud with the biggest face on RAW. THEN...get this, we're going to put you on SmackDown and sentence you to a life of obscuirty on the mid-card."

[Lara Emily]

2-21-11 was also super lamesuace

[Eklipse]

I wonder how many of the "Sting people" were let down by the fact that it was HHH. Haha.

[Innovator]

What does Fignuts say, muties?

[jkman61494]

Raw was god awful

I kind of agree. There was a ton of promise tonight, but coming off of last week's amazing ending, it was a downer.

Cena's opening promo was pretty awesome. I'll give kudos to that!

However, the rest of the show? thumbs down.

1) Del Rio is set to face Edge. Yet instead of hyping that, they have him attack Kofi again, further burying an upper mid-card talent. There's no sign of Christian, or Edge amidst all of this... Really?

2) I felt the whole Taker/HHH encounter was flat. I also feel this build will be incredibly rushed. There was a lot of build up to HBK/Taker when it was career vs. streak. They fought they year before and HBK was in a slump story wise at that point. Instead of these men continuing to the feuds they had, HHH will want to take on Taker...why?

3) I was really excited for this Corre group, but it's really fallen flat in my eyes. What was just said is true. Barrett's push is dead imo. He's gone from a big match at 'Mania to what, facing the Big Show or being in a Money In The Bank match? Really?

4) I also don't get the booking in the main event. They had Miz get beaten around like a rag doll for ten minutes, enduring tons of punishment. He does all of this only to then cost Cena the match? Could he have not done that about ten minute beforehand?

5) Lastly, the Cole/Lawler thing was quite disgusting. I don't care if Lawler suggested it or not, for a company so anal about being PG, I don't see how belittling someone about their dead mother is family entertainment. That was almost on a Katie Vick level. They could have merely had Cole get on him about losing and that is that. Instead, they bring up a dead mom.

I'm sorry but a great Cena promo doesn't outshine the rest of the crapfest.

[Providence Peep]

Instead of these men continuing to the feuds they had, HHH will want to take on Taker...why?

I'm presuming he'll explain that next week.

[Eklipse]

Because Undertaker beat HHH's best friend and forced him to retire. Boom. Feud 1 year in the making even though we didn't know it.

[Lara Emily]

I wonder how many of the "Sting people" were let down by the fact that it was HHH. Haha.

I knew it wasn;t Sting

I just figured there would be more to it then
*Stare at Mania sign*
*stare at Mania Sign*
*Blank Stare* translation: I want to fight you Taker
*Blank Stare* translation: No HHH
*walk away*
*Crotch Chop*
*Blank Stare* + throat slit taunt translation: Fine
*Blank Stare* translation: See ya at Mania

Completely fucking pointless build and totally anti-climatic for the amount of hype for this day, both guys had ready made feuds with other guys and instead they fight each other?

[Eklipse]

Like Fignuts said, they wanted a huge match for wrestlemania and will come back to the other feuds afterward. Atleast that makes sense when you think like a wwe writer.

[Lara Emily]

Like Fignuts said, they wanted a huge match for wrestlemania and will come back to the other feuds afterward. Atleast that makes sense when you think like a wwe writer.

Mania practically sells itself, make new stars, build for the future.

[Providence Peep]

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Did Cena get hit by a mack truck on the Road to WrestleMania?

[Eklipse]

Mania practically sells itself, make new stars, build for the future.

Good points, but with ppv buyrates at lows, they need to give the fans more incentive to buy the ppv.

But

If that's the case then why have Miz and Del Rio in the main events?

I don't know...I just can't follow the logic wwe is using anymore.

I just try to enjoy it as much as I can.

[Lara Emily]

Good points, but with ppv buyrates at lows, they need to give the fans more incentive to buy the ppv.

But

If that's the case then why have Miz and Del Rio in the main events?

I don't know...I just can't follow the logic wwe is using anymore.

I just try to enjoy it as much as I can.

Yeah I just don;t give a shit about a HHH/Taker match, Taker's gonna win. It'll be decent but fail to be as good as X-7 so who cares.


And if the weirdest thing happens and HHH wins it'll be a major WTF why moment and suck on that front as well.

[Eklipse]

I don't see HHH being the one to end the streak tbh. Pretty much guaranteed 19-0.

[Nark Order]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109788

Everybody go to the chat room. I want to yell at you.

[Fignuts]

Barrett vs Taker and Sheamus vs HHH would work if the two younger stars had been on fire up until tonight, but they haven't. HHH and Taker returning to face them would feel underwhelming to me.

Let HHH and Taker have their career vs streak epic at mania, then we can use lesser PPVs like backlash for going back to the feuds that took them out.

[Lara Emily]

I don't see HHH being the one to end the streak tbh. Pretty much guaranteed 19-0.

I know that's part of my point.

Taker should be taking on younger guys who need a rub going toe to to toe with Taker guys you believe might win it.

[jkman61494]

I can't agree more!! I mean you got the Rock coming back and it seems their 'Mania promo spoiled the probable invovement of Steve Austin somehow. There are selling points right there.

You got Cena giving a rub to Miz. You have Edge and/or Christian rubbing for Del Rio.

You COULD have had Taker doing it for Barrett and HHH for Sheamus. You know, the two major heels on Raw for the better part of 2010. Instead, neither of them have a big match and two men who are faces, have had no past together for years and were both gone for months get a match.

It really is just such a let down to see months of good programming and a really strong youth movement just go by the wayside.

[Fignuts]

I can see this match being better than X-7.

A huge part of what made the Michaels matches so great, was the atmosphere they created, and the consequences of losing.

I don't even know if they were really pushing the streak by X-7. This match will have a much bigger feel to it than X-7, so that alone gives it a leg up on the previous contest.

[Londoner]

My internet fucking broke for no real reason STRAIGHT after the HHH/Taker segment. :mad: Only just got it working.

Anyway, im pretty hyped for the hhh/taker match, can set it up as HHH wants revenge for Taker retiring HBK last year, they've built this up pretty well. Also loved the king/cole interview, god knows what cole will do in a wrestling ring though but just adds to an already good looking card, which now also includes bryan/sheamus it seems.

[Eklipse]

X-7 wasn't interesting to me because it wasn't Undertaker, it was the american badass. As a huge 'Taker mark, I'm a lot more interested in it this time around than the first.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Sting was probably up in the rafters, getting ready to rappel and make his challenge. Then Triple H's music hit right away and he was like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!"</font>

[Fignuts]

I can't agree more!! I mean you got the Rock coming back and it seems their 'Mania promo spoiled the probable invovement of Steve Austin somehow. There are selling points right there.

You got Cena giving a rub to Miz. You have Edge and/or Christian rubbing for Del Rio.

You COULD have had Taker doing it for Barrett and HHH for Sheamus. You know, the two major heels on Raw for the better part of 2010. Instead, neither of them have a big match and two men who are faces, have had no past together for years and were both gone for months get a match.

It really is just such a let down to see months of good programming and a really strong youth movement just go by the wayside.

They aren't going anywhere. Plenty of time for them to reach that spot.

Frankly, if it is HHH and Taker's last match, I'd rather see them face each other than Barrett and Sheamus. I don't think either of those guys are ready yet, to be in that spot.

And good god, Barrett ending the streak would be underwhelming as all hell. At this point I can't even buy an "up and comer" beating the streak. They've made too big a deal about it. It has to be an icon like HBK or HHH, in my eyes. But that discussion has been done to death.

[Providence Peep]

<font color=goldenrod>Sting was probably up in the rafters, getting ready to rappel and make his challenge. Then Triple H's music hit right away and he was like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!"</font>

In hindsight, I'm wondering how realistic it was for any of us to think it was Sting. I'm one who thought it might have been, or should have been, but could they really have brought in Sting this close to Mania and right into a program with Taker? Remember, WWE's target audience is KIDS and a lot of kids today probably don't even know who Sting is or know much about him. We do. They don't. Sting vs Taker would have equaled ppv buys for the people who know who Sting - but sadly, that isn't the majority anymore.

[Lara Emily]

I can see this match being better than X-7.

A huge part of what made the Michaels matches so great, was the atmosphere they created, and the consequences of losing.

I don't even know if they were really pushing the streak by X-7. This match will have a much bigger feel to it than X-7, so that alone gives it a leg up on the previous contest.

Taker/HBK II had 3+ months of amazing build plus a previous history. The only thing this has is HHH being like grr you retired my friend, even though he wanted the match, I warned him against it and he did it to himself and a month.

Like why would HHH be pissed what was Taker gonna do lie down?

[Providence Peep]

Like why would HHH be pissed what was Taker gonna do lie down?

The (kayfabed) reason for the Trips vs. Taker match will probably be explained on Raw next week.

[Lara Emily]

They aren't going anywhere. Plenty of time for them to reach that spot.

Frankly, if it is HHH and Taker's last match, I'd rather see them face each other than Barrett and Sheamus. I don't think either of those guys are ready yet, to be in that spot.

And good god, Barrett ending the streak would be underwhelming as all hell. At this point I can't even buy an "up and comer" beating the streak. They've made too big a deal about it. It has to be an icon like HBK or HHH, in my eyes. But that discussion has been done to death.

fuck that shit, no offense but new blood needs to be brought in, you make new stars by passing the torch not just having the big stars fight amongst themselves. A big star breaking the streak would be utterly pointless. They need to either never break it but have Taker give rub to new guys by having them come really close or if they have a guy who is at the cusp of greatness (Like Barrett was) break it.

I'm just sad cause this Mania is utterly deflating. There's more build up for Christian/Alberto or Kofi/Alberto then Edge/Alberto, Cena/Miz build is good but I'm utterly convinced it's just gonna be Cena wins all over again, Punk/Orton will be fine cause Punk is awesome, and what Barrett vs Show? Lame.

[jkman61494]

Well, they're never going to break the streak, but at least they could have allowed Barrett to be put in such a spot and perhaps in May or June allow him to go over 'Taker.


I mean you say that neither are ready for those spots. Sheamus is a two time champion who went over HHH and won a King of the Ring Tournament. Barrett had a huge feud with Cena and pretty much was the focal point of the WWE from about July-November.

I don't even think you can argue that Del Rio is more deserving. Even Miz to me is no more deserving of the spot than those two.

[Lock Jaw]

HHH/Taker will probably be a good match, but I just don't care about it.

Really don't know why WWE seems to have given up on both Sheamus and Barrett. It is kind of frustrating, really. I still saw Sheamus as on "good grounds" until tonight and jobbing to Mark Henry.

I could go on a rant, but no one cares or wants to read my rant.

[Fignuts]

Taker/HBK II had 3+ months of amazing build plus a previous history. The only thing this has is HHH being like grr you retired my friend, even though he wanted the match, I warned him against it and he did it to himself and a month.

Like why would HHH be pissed what was Taker gonna do lie down?

Wasn't just talking about Michaels/Taker II. The first match was just as good, and didn't have as much build.

Doesn't matter that he warned against it, or any of that. End result, his best friend had to retire. Taker doesn't have to be "wrong" for retiring shawn, for Trips to be mad about it.

[Eklipse]

Yeah. Like when HBK retired Flair and that created a feud between Batista and Shawn.

[Fignuts]

fuck that shit, no offense but new blood needs to be brought in, you make new stars by passing the torch not just having the big stars fight amongst themselves. A big star breaking the streak would be utterly pointless. They need to either never break it but have Taker give rub to new guys by having them come really close or if they have a guy who is at the cusp of greatness (Like Barrett was) break it.

I'm just sad cause this Mania is utterly deflating. There's more build up for Christian/Alberto or Kofi/Alberto then Edge/Alberto, Cena/Miz build is good but I'm utterly convinced it's just gonna be Cena wins all over again, Punk/Orton will be fine cause Punk is awesome, and what Barrett vs Show? Lame.

Let's just agree to disagree on the streak thing, because that issue has divided the whole internet, and all we'll be doing is arguing in circles. It's personal preference at this point.

As for Barrett and Sheamus being in big matches with Taker and HHH, well it just wouldn't work right now. When it comes to making a star at mania, I don't belive you can do it by just throwing them in a match and hoping for the best. There has to be a proper build to it. Maybe, if Sheamus and Barrett had kept their momentum up until now, but they haven't. Sheamus has been stuck in the midcard, and Barret has been floundering in Corre the last couple months.

It would feel underwhelming to me if they went up against Taker and HHH. Maybe if they would have kept up on their big pushes all this time. But they didn't. So at this point, I'd rather see HHH vs Taker than try and awkwardly fix what could have been.

[jkman61494]

HHH/Taker will probably be a good match, but I just don't care about it.

Really don't know why WWE seems to have given up on both Sheamus and Barrett. It is kind of frustrating, really. I still saw Sheamus as on "good grounds" until tonight and jobbing to Mark Henry.

I could go on a rant, but no one cares or wants to read my rant.

There was some report that Kevin Dunn has soured on Sheamus and you have to almost agree with that beleif now. I mean to me is there a coincidence that not only did he lose CLEAN but when?

For almost a YEAR they've been building Sheamus up to take on HHH. They kept him around the main event, even giving him King of the Ring to keep him at a level that fans would deem him as a credible threat. Then, in a matter of a month they have him from being the #2 heel on Raw (before Punk's return) to jobbing to Henry.

And on top of it, they have him jobbing the segment after HHH returns since Sheamus "injured" him in May. HHH gets a huge match. Sheamus now at best will have a US Title match with Daniel Bryan or participate in a Money In The Bank Match.

It's actually entirely possible now the guy won't even be no the card at this point.




Barrett is a whole other story. The guy carried Raw in my opinon through the summer. An amazing heel that the fans instantly hated, had good ring work and had the #1 feud in the WWE for months. Now, he will at best fight the Big Show in some filler match.

Honestly, I'm angry because since the end of '09, the WWE has done a good to great job building up new credible stars. Yet so far in 2011, they're doing the same exact crap that got them into this place where they had to have a youth movement in the first place.

They are taking these newly built stars, and completely burying them. And what's the purpose?

Look at a few others.

Del Rio wins a Royal Rumble, yet is getting some filler match last night and got his butt kicked by someone regarded to most as a mid carder in Christian.

Kingston is a major face, but is stuck in no man's land.

Bryan is Raw's version of Kingston. Great to see the mid card belt holders have relevant feuds right?

Drew McIntyre had this really great streak to start, but is now stuck in total mediocrity in some storyline with Kelly Kelly.

Ezekiel Jackson had two months worth of vigenttes but doesn't even wrestle and just looks menacing and has no one to feud with.

John Morrison was given a ONE WEEK feud with The Miz, and has been relegated to R-Truth's buddy in the mic-cards.

The Miz IS champion, but his longest feud has been against, the 63 year old Jerry Lawler, and is almost sure to job to Cena who can go win his 15th Championship that no one will care about.

Considering how well they were all doing in 2010, it's a real shame to see how almost ALL of them are being booked as either weak, useless, stupid or all of the above.

[Lara Emily]

fair enough on agree to disagree.
Part of my annoyance with all this is the fact that they just killed Shamus and Barrett, this complete patch work match is just the icing on the cake.

[Mr. Pierre]

If Barrett and Sheamus were both booked extremely strong as true main eventers, then yes I think I could buy HHH vs. Sheamus and Taker vs. Barrett. But now, there's just no way.

Besides, HHH vs. Taker is obviously a much bigger match on paper.

[Lara Emily]

There was some report that Kevin Dunn has soured on Sheamus and you have to almost agree with that beleif now. I mean to me is there a coincidence that not only did he lose CLEAN but when?

For almost a YEAR they've been building Sheamus up to take on HHH. They kept him around the main event, even giving him King of the Ring to keep him at a level that fans would deem him as a credible threat. Then, in a matter of a month they have him from being the #2 heel on Raw (before Punk's return) to jobbing to Henry.

And on top of it, they have him jobbing the segment after HHH returns since Sheamus "injured" him in May. HHH gets a huge match. Sheamus now at best will have a US Title match with Daniel Bryan or participate in a Money In The Bank Match.

It's actually entirely possible now the guy won't even be no the card at this point.




Barrett is a whole other story. The guy carried Raw in my opinon through the summer. An amazing heel that the fans instantly hated, had good ring work and had the #1 feud in the WWE for months. Now, he will at best fight the Big Show in some filler match.

Honestly, I'm angry because since the end of '09, the WWE has done a good to great job building up new credible stars. Yet so far in 2011, they're doing the same exact crap that got them into this place where they had to have a youth movement in the first place.

They are taking these newly built stars, and completely burying them. And what's the purpose?

Look at a few others.

Del Rio wins a Royal Rumble, yet is getting some filler match last night and got his butt kicked by someone regarded to most as a mid carder in Christian.

Kingston is a major face, but is stuck in no man's land.

Bryan is Raw's version of Kingston. Great to see the mid card belt holders have relevant feuds right?

Drew McIntyre had this really great streak to start, but is now stuck in total mediocrity in some storyline with Kelly Kelly.

Ezekiel Jackson had two months worth of vigenttes but doesn't even wrestle and just looks menacing and has no one to feud with.

John Morrison was given a ONE WEEK feud with The Miz, and has been relegated to R-Truth's buddy in the mic-cards.

The Miz IS champion, but his longest feud has been against, the 63 year old Jerry Lawler, and is almost sure to job to Cena who can go win his 15th Championship that no one will care about.

Considering how well they were all doing in 2010, it's a real shame to see how almost ALL of them are being booked as either weak, useless, stupid or all of the above.

ALL OF THIS!

I like you you can stay :)

[jkman61494]

Let's just agree to disagree on the streak thing, because that issue has divided the whole internet, and all we'll be doing is arguing in circles. It's personal preference at this point.

As for Barrett and Sheamus being in big matches with Taker and HHH, well it just wouldn't work right now. When it comes to making a star at mania, I don't belive you can do it by just throwing them in a match and hoping for the best. There has to be a proper build to it. Maybe, if Sheamus and Barrett had kept their momentum up until now, but they haven't. Sheamus has been stuck in the midcard, and Barret has been floundering in Corre the last couple months.

It would feel underwhelming to me if they went up against Taker and HHH. Maybe if they would have kept up on their big pushes all this time. But they didn't. So at this point, I'd rather see HHH vs Taker than try and awkwardly fix what could have been.

So Sheamus injuring HHH to the point he misses almost a year, and Barrett "burying" Taker aren't proper builds to matches, but HHH showing up out of nowhere to confront Undertaker, say nothing except look at a WrestleMania sign is? Ummm Ok.

Look I'll agree with you that those two have been booked as weak. I just wrote a small book about that already. I'll concede with how weak they look, the drama isn't there.

But to me, they at least makse sense! The best case feud here that's discussed is HHH is coming back to defend his friends honor, and oh by the way I'll put my career on the line too! It's forced not to mention completely uninventive. Meanwhile we the fans are supposed to believe storyline wise that HHH doesn't want to get revenge on a guy who shelved him and Taker is just going to ignore the guy who led to him having to rise up yet again?

It's just awful awful booking.

I mean honestly, if they would have brought back HHH a month ago and start building this then? Then super! HHH could have come out, talking about the fact that since his time away he's been able to reflect on what happened at "Mania, and how life hasn't been the same since he lost his friend because of the Undertaker. And he will hunt that man down and pay for this. HHH leaves the arena and we are left to guess what's up

This could have led to those 2/21/11 videos. Is that Taker in the shack? Is it HHH devising a plan? Two weeks later we see Taker is in there, but those boots outside? Is that HHH lurking in the shadows? Someone else?


But now we get this dreck, and two of their promising stars are buried in the process.

[Lock Jaw]

All of that except the Morrison thing. He's still doing good. Though he kinda got squashed by Punk tonight.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Said this in another thread - but I'm not ENTIRELY convinced that Miz is gonna job away the belt at Mania. If they don't formally make Rock an enforcer or ref I could see Miz cheating to retain, robbing Cena of his WM moment, only for Rock to run down and kick his ass before making amends with Cena. Taker/HHH would then headline to ensure the show ends with a happy result.

Cena could then win it at Backlash or something - since you know Backlash is all WM rematches anyway.</font>

[Lara Emily]

So Sheamus injuring HHH to the point he misses almost a year, and Barrett "burying" Taker aren't proper builds to matches, but HHH showing up out of nowhere to confront Undertaker, say nothing except look at a WrestleMania sign is? Ummm Ok.

Look I'll agree with you that those two have been booked as weak. I just wrote a small book about that already. I'll concede with how weak they look, the drama isn't there.

But to me, they at least makse sense! The best case feud here that's discussed is HHH is coming back to defend his friends honor, and oh by the way I'll put my career on the line too! It's forced not to mention completely uninventive. Meanwhile we the fans are supposed to believe storyline wise that HHH doesn't want to get revenge on a guy who shelved him and Taker is just going to ignore the guy who led to him having to rise up yet again?

It's just awful awful booking.

I mean honestly, if they would have brought back HHH a month ago and start building this then? Then super! HHH could have come out, talking about the fact that since his time away he's been able to reflect on what happened at "Mania, and how life hasn't been the same since he lost his friend because of the Undertaker. And he will hunt that man down and pay for this. HHH leaves the arena and we are left to guess what's up

This could have led to those 2/21/11 videos. Is that Taker in the shack? Is it HHH devising a plan? Two weeks later we see Taker is in there, but those boots outside? Is that HHH lurking in the shadows? Someone else?


But now we get this dreck, and two of their promising stars are buried in the process.

Again this... All of this

You know they should have just not done the 2.21.11 thing, it absolutely over hyped what amounted to some fan pyro/lighting and then a what seemed like 10 minute stare down, it was utterally boring.

[Fignuts]

I am not saying Barrett and Sheamus haven't been booked badly. Like I said, they could have made it work.

But I am talking about right now. Can't change the past, and at this point, HHH vs Taker seems like the best choice right now. Would feel awkward if Barrett and Shaemus went from the limbo state they have been on lately, to being in big matches at mania.

So yeah, shitty booking, but as for the here and now, I'd rather see Taker vs HHH.

Give them a chance to fuck that one up too, before you condemn it.

[Lara Emily]

All of that except the Morrison thing. He's still doing good. Though he kinda got squashed by Punk tonight.

They're turning Morrison into Jeff Hardy, a spot monkey, though he had some great psychology between last night and tonight, which makes him way better than Jeff Hardy.

[thedamndest]

They have the entire rest of the year to push Barrett and Sheamus. Plenty of wrestlers got over just fine not having matches with Taker at Mania. HHH/Taker is the best draw.

[Fignuts]

Morrison is fine where he is right now. Turn him heel again and I can buy him taking that next step. Because he has the in ring skills, but he doesn't really know how to talk, as a face yet imo.

[thedamndest]

Morrison should be doing big spots because A) he can do them B) he can't talk C) it's getting him a reaction.

[Lara Emily]

Morrison should be doing big spots because A) he can do them B) he can't talk C) it's getting him a reaction.

He can talk just not as a face.

It's funny he works a face style but talks a heel style.

[jasean21]

I would like to see Morrison now, wrestle the old RVD in the old ECW... WOuld be A GREAT MATCH.... etc Kid Kash or Jerry Lynn vs RVD (didnt expect great matches... but you got them anyway) Morrison has paid dues....I can see him with the belt... if not RAW's... then Smackdown's

[Fignuts]

Also, I wouldn't consider Morrison a spot monkey. Crazy as the stuff he does is, it makes sense in the context of the match, the spots are built up to pretty well, and he doesn't overdo it. He'll do one or two in a big match. Not seventeen flippity flops in a 5 minute match, like people who rightly deserve that moniker.

[Lara Emily]

Also, I wouldn't consider Morrison a spot monkey. Crazy as the stuff he does is, it makes sense in the context of the match, the spots are built up to pretty well, and he doesn't overdo it. He'll do one or two in a big match. Not seventeen flippity flops in a 5 minute match, like people who rightly deserve that moniker.

hmmm great point

the rumble spot is historic

[Lock Jaw]

Morrison is also the man at selling. His match at TLC with Sheamus was pretty amazing.

[Lara Emily]

Morrison is also the man at selling. His match at TLC with Sheamus was pretty amazing.


Both he and Punk did a bang up job tonight selling the EC match from last night. Funny that Cena and Orton were perfectly fine *sigh*

[Lock Jaw]

R-Truth did the best selling tonight of the Chamber. :shifty:

[Lara Emily]

R-Truth did the best selling tonight of the Chamber. :shifty:

He sold it so well he didn't even show up to Raw!

[Onyx]

He can talk just not as a face.

It's funny he works a face style but talks a heel style.

There's nothing wrong with this if it's done right. Austin (97-99) and Orton (Present) work and talk like heels, but were faces. Most people around here, including myself, seem to like Cena better when he was a face who talked like a heel. Triple H tends to talk like a heel, and sometimes works like a heel, when he is a face. Being a face who talks like a heel can and does work and has been proven to potentially get a guy over.

Morrison can be a face with some of the cocky heelish attitude he had back when he tagged with Miz as long as he is booked right. Just have him talk down to his opponents, avoid talking down to the fans, and occasionally give a nod to the fans here and there (like when Austin adopted the "Give me a 'Hell Yeah!'")

I can't say if this style would work for Morrison, but it's damn well worth a try. Despite his lacking mic skills, we've been seeing some of the best damn ring work we've ever seen from Morrison as a face because he is encouraged to go for those crazy acrobatic spots to get the crowd to pop. heels can't really do that. I hope they don't turn Morrison heel because I enjoy watching him in the ring right now more than anyone else they have, and if done right, a feud between him and Punk has Epic written all over it. Maybe the two of them could headline Wrestlemania next year.

[Fignuts]

Both he and Punk did a bang up job tonight selling the EC match from last night. Funny that Cena and Orton were perfectly fine *sigh*

To be fair, Orton and Cena didn't take as brutal of shots as Punk and Morrison.

If anyone should be called out for not selling, it's Barrett. Didn't he go through the glass twice?

There are two kinds of big spots in the EC. The high flyer spot, and the glass spot. Anyone who is the victim in the glass spot should be selling like crazy the next time you see him. Let alone someone who does it twice.

[Fignuts]

That said I agree they looked a little too spry, given how hyped EC is as deadly match.

[Lara Emily]

To be fair, Orton and Cena didn't take as brutal of shots as Punk and Morrison.

If anyone should be called out for not selling, it's Barrett. Didn't he go through the glass twice?

There are two kinds of big spots in the EC. The high flyer spot, and the glass spot. Anyone who is the victim in the glass spot should be selling like crazy the next time you see him. Let alone someone who does it twice.

Normally I'd agree with you, but I'd rather everyone just forget what happened to Barrett at EC, in his case it might be a good idea not to sell what was essentially him getting squashed and really Barrett just walked to the ring and talked, he didn't wrestle or run around like Orton did so not the same thing.

Orton got pretty beat up.

[Sixx]

So would this be, too...

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/179260_177280628980937_100000970034473_397281_489012_n.jpg

Taker looks like he smelled a fart.

[Rammsteinmad]

I wish Undertaker and Triple H didn't return. Watching Triple H come down the aisle made me feel like it was 2008 again.

[James Steele]

Fuck off with all this "boring" and "whatta bout sheamus?!?!" fucking shit. Triple H and Undertaker sold fucking $60 a pop ppv without saying a word. Read the emotion in their eyes and the warbling of Triple H's throat as he finally confronts the man who ended the career of his best friend. Triple H and Undertaker did what 98% of the roster...including your precious fucking Sheamus and Barrett CAN'T DO...sell a moment and a match off pure emotion and intensity. There are no words that can describe the goosebumps I felt when Triple H and Undertaker locked eyes. There are no words that can describe the feeling that overtook my body when two of the absolute biggest stars in the history of professional wrestling set the stage for an epic encounter on the grandest stage of them all.

You people bitch about poor midcarders and stifled pushes. You stay bitter, angry, and constantly bitching about what could have been. Accept this gift Vince McMahon has chosen to give us this year. I along with millions around the world will enjoy this epic encounter between two immortals of the wrestling world. Triple H vs The Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. Vince, here is $60 may I please have another!

[Juan]

lol

[Sixx]

I have a hard time telling when James Steele is serious.

[James Steele]

http://wwesre.ucoz.com/Wrestlemania27/takhh.jpg

[Tom Guycott]

Triple H and Undertaker sold fucking $60 a pop ppv without saying a word.

Your undying love for HHH aside, I totally agree with this. Best part of the show.

However, the fear (and justifiably so) is the long run cost of this epicness. Is this going to be along the lines of Undertaker "feature attraction", sporadic appearances that make the world go nucking futs? Or, will this end up becoming business as usual where Hunter is on every TV show 40 minutes every week for 10 months straight after 'mania and everyone gets sick of seeing him and the bitching for new blood again gets louder? Not like there's history behind that or anything... oh wait, there is.

[jkman61494]

Fuck off with all this "boring" and "whatta bout sheamus?!?!" fucking shit. Triple H and Undertaker sold fucking $60 a pop ppv without saying a word. Read the emotion in their eyes and the warbling of Triple H's throat as he finally confronts the man who ended the career of his best friend. Triple H and Undertaker did what 98% of the roster...including your precious fucking Sheamus and Barrett CAN'T DO...sell a moment and a match off pure emotion and intensity. There are no words that can describe the goosebumps I felt when Triple H and Undertaker locked eyes. There are no words that can describe the feeling that overtook my body when two of the absolute biggest stars in the history of professional wrestling set the stage for an epic encounter on the grandest stage of them all.

You people bitch about poor midcarders and stifled pushes. You stay bitter, angry, and constantly bitching about what could have been. Accept this gift Vince McMahon has chosen to give us this year. I along with millions around the world will enjoy this epic encounter between two immortals of the wrestling world. Triple H vs The Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. Vince, here is $60 may I please have another!

Well given you have HHH's logo as your avatar here, I'm going to assume you kinda sorta love H. So your opinion of the matter might be just a tad bit biased.

Now you raise good points about selling a moment. These two have done it before. But how did they do that last night? They stared at each other, they looked at some logo, and then proceeded to take two minutes to use all their non-verbal taunts and wow we have a match!

I'll admit too my point is a bit biased too. I was totally sold on the youth movement going on in the WWE as they were in a desperate need to have one. With HBK retiring, Y2J, Batista leaving and HHH and Taker being hurt every other PPV the roster was depleted.

And the writers for a period of about five-seven months did a superb job of elevating wrestlers into credible main eventers. And now, on the one show a fan will buy merely because of its name, they had a chance for these guys to showcase WHY they were in these spots.

Instead we get a recycled match that will do neither wrestler any good, AND stunts the growth of the future.

I love HHH and Taker, but I totally disagree with you that there was a good build to this match last night. You want a good build with the heat of him losing his friend? Have HHH try to superkick him to end the segment. THAT would have gotten a lot of people such as myself pretty happy.

[Loose Cannon]

I just hated how abrupt HHH's "return" was. There was no pause or anything between the entrances. HHH's music just started playing all of a sudden. I mean, I see why it was like that because it was a silent promo and Taker couldn't really talk about anything. But It's almost like they threw that segment together 20 minutes before it was set to go live.

"Dunn: ok, so Taker goes out, HHH goes out, you get together and do your classic taunts and then you'll both stare at the Mania sign and we're good. No moving on to Sheam....nah fuck him"

I was just hoping for the spectacular HHH return that we are used to seeing. If they weren't going to use Sheamus/HHH, then I would of at least had Sheamus come out and confront Taker and then HHH makes his grand return. Lays out Sheamus real quick and Taker/HHH do there shit.

[jkman61494]

Honestly, Loose you are onto something...

You want to book Sheamus well and still make everyone happy?

You could have had Sheamus look real strong in the past weeks instead of a noob by having him take out people left and right until he gets on the mic and says something along the lines of "there is not one living person in this world who can take down King Sheamus". That's when the lights go out and bam you have a feud.

At WM, you have Sheamus dominate the Taker using some classic heel moves. But just as Sheamus is about to take him out with a chair or something with a ref out BAM... Time to play the game.

HHH comes out, destroys Sheamus with a sledge hammer so he's now "shelved" and Taker wins and goes 19-0. Following the match, you have the type of staredown you saw on Raw except HHH takes out Taker setting up a post Mania feud.


You would have given the rub to a young star instead of stunting his growth.

Taker keeps his streak going.

HHH fans get to see a WrestleMania moment and still gets to see a Taker/HHH feud in the spring.

[Mr. Pierre]

It's a big enough "risk" for WWE to have Miz main event as Champion alongside Cena and more than likely The Rock and also having Del Rio win this year's Royal Rumble. To me, that's a huge leap for WWE's main event scene.

If you then go ahead with HHH/Sheamus and Taker/Barrett, there is no marquee match that stands out in terms of all-around "proven" star power. I think if you polled the audience, 95 out of 100 fans would rather see Taker and Triple H square off than the HHH/Sheamus and Taker/Barrett possibilities (even if they continued their strong pushes). Basically, when push comes to shove, WWE wants to make the most amount of money possible at WrestleMania, so they turned to their two biggest cash cows, The Undertaker and Triple H. I for one can't wait.

[Lara Emily]

When was the last time HHH had a truly remarkable match. Just curious.

[Hanso Amore]

LOL. Wrestlemania is the biggest show of the year. THey want to make matches that appeal to everyone, and make it must see.

Takers Streak Vs HHH (Who has been the dominant champ in the WWE for the better part of 10 years) is going to sell more than Taker Vs Wade, or HHH vs Sheamus.

Do you REALLY think, that after the last two WM matches he has had, and how huge the steak has been made, that they would ever take the Taker down to a Sheamus or Wade match.

If anyone thinks that, you are too SMARK for your own good.

HHH will get back to Sheamus right after WM, mark it.

And you fuckers complaining about the same old matches, and how the young guys are getting pissed on...

You do realize we are possibly 6 weeks away from seeing the Miz and Del Rio, the two new age poster boys, walk out of the event as champs.

[bigslimjj]

There are no words that can describe the goosebumps I felt when Triple H and Undertaker locked eyes. There are no words that can describe the feeling that overtook my body when two of the absolute biggest stars in the history of professional wrestling set the stage for an epic encounter on the grandest stage of them all.

Gay. Also the laziest setup for any WM match I've ever seen.

[whiteyford]

Well given you have HHH's logo as your avatar here, I'm going to assume you kinda sorta love H. So your opinion of the matter might be just a tad bit biased.


Only a tad bit biased..:shifty:

[Fignuts]

LOL. Wrestlemania is the biggest show of the year. THey want to make matches that appeal to everyone, and make it must see.

Takers Streak Vs HHH (Who has been the dominant champ in the WWE for the better part of 10 years) is going to sell more than Taker Vs Wade, or HHH vs Sheamus.

Do you REALLY think, that after the last two WM matches he has had, and how huge the steak has been made, that they would ever take the Taker down to a Sheamus or Wade match.

If anyone thinks that, you are too SMARK for your own good.

HHH will get back to Sheamus right after WM, mark it.

And you fuckers complaining about the same old matches, and how the young guys are getting pissed on...

You do realize we are possibly 6 weeks away from seeing the Miz and Del Rio, the two new age poster boys, walk out of the event as champs.

To be fair, I MIGHT be able to buy Sheamus vs HHH if Sheamus was booked strongly during HHH's absence. Afterall, they did square off at the last mania.

But yeah, that was what I was saying earlier. The Michaels matches set a precedent for the streak matches. Wade has come far, but he is not ready for that huge a match up yet, imo. Even if he had continued to have been booked strongly instead of stagnating in Corre, I still wouldn't buy him as a legit threat.

Part of making stars is not just giving them that huge moment at mania, but building to make sure that moment is believable. That is why I still don't buy sheamus as a main eventer. He was rushed onto the scene without the proper build.

I feel like they are trying to replicate the meteoric rise of Lesnar with some of these guys, but that kind of thing is one and a million, imo.

[James Steele]

Well given you have HHH's logo as your avatar here, I'm going to assume you kinda sorta love H. So your opinion of the matter might be just a tad bit biased.

Now you raise good points about selling a moment. These two have done it before. But how did they do that last night? They stared at each other, they looked at some logo, and then proceeded to take two minutes to use all their non-verbal taunts and wow we have a match!

I'll admit too my point is a bit biased too. I was totally sold on the youth movement going on in the WWE as they were in a desperate need to have one. With HBK retiring, Y2J, Batista leaving and HHH and Taker being hurt every other PPV the roster was depleted.

And the writers for a period of about five-seven months did a superb job of elevating wrestlers into credible main eventers. And now, on the one show a fan will buy merely because of its name, they had a chance for these guys to showcase WHY they were in these spots.

Instead we get a recycled match that will do neither wrestler any good, AND stunts the growth of the future.

I love HHH and Taker, but I totally disagree with you that there was a good build to this match last night. You want a good build with the heat of him losing his friend? Have HHH try to superkick him to end the segment. THAT would have gotten a lot of people such as myself pretty happy.

OMG! THEY ARE RECYCLING A MATCH FROM 10 YEARS AGO AND UNDERTAKER HAS A DIFFERENT GIMMICK AND HHH IS A FACE NOW BUT THAT STILL SUXORZ CUZ I WANNA SEE SHEAMUS GET A PUSH!?!?!?!

[James Steele]

When was the last time HHH had a truly remarkable match. Just curious.

April 25, 2010 - WWE Extreme Rules - Street Fight Match
Triple H vs Sheamus

[Splaya]

When was the last time HHH had a truly remarkable match. Just curious.

When was the last time Lara Emily had a comment that mattered. Just curious

[The Naitch]

and if done right, a feud between him and Punk has Epic written all over it. Maybe the two of them could headline Wrestlemania next year.

epic? Really? okay

[The Naitch]

lol at Sheamus DOING THE JOB to Henry. Bout time. The guy was given too much too quick anyways. I forget that he's a former WWE Champion. He doesn't deserve Triple H at WrestleMania

[Fignuts]

I am too happy about Mark Henry getting a clean win, to care about Sheamus.

[Mr. Pierre]

Wanna make it clear that I am 100% on the Taker/HHH side, as the match should happen instead of HHH/Sheamus, but...

It's annoying how WWE is so inconsistent with pushing Sheamus. I miss the days where if you won the World Title, you never went back down the card, and if you did, it was in a highly promoted grudge match. In the end it just makes the belt look shitty. They've done it to Swagger, and now to Sheamus.

[thedamndest]

I would like to see HHH and Taker get closure on the people that put them out of action. Both could have been okay non-Mania PPV matches, but there isn't time for them between now and Mania except on Raw. I'm fine with that. Sheamus wouldn't have beaten HHH and Barrett wouldn't have beaten Taker because they are heels. That's just how the feuds would have ended. Just finish them both on Raw and let Sheamus and Barrett move onto other things.

[Onyx]

epic? Really? okay

Yes, really. Punk knows how to tell a story in the ring better than most, and Morrison can pull off spots that no one else can. Epic. Deal with it.

[Fignuts]

It would be very good. Maybe even great. But not epic. That word gets thrown around far too much. Michaels vs Taker I & II were epic. HHH vs Taker has potential to be epic. Everything else can only hope to be great.

[Onyx]

It would be very good. Maybe even great. But not epic. That word gets thrown around far too much. Michaels vs Taker I & II were epic. HHH vs Taker has potential to be epic. Everything else can only hope to be great.

Semantics.

HHH vs. Taker will be good, but I will be surprised if it is great, let alone "epic." HHH has a limited moveset, and half of them involve a sledgehammer. Taker is getting more and more limited with every match he has. At this point, both men are pretty injury prone. The reason HBK vs Taker was "epic" is because it was HBK. Like him or not, HBK has always had the ability to bring whoever he was performing with up to his level. The guy can have a match with virtually anyone, and steal the show. He is Mr. Wrestlemania for a reason. But there is also a reason that in their prime, HBK was having 20 minute matches, 30 minute matches, iron man matches, etc. while Taker usually had 5-10 minute matches max. Taker's entrance is incredible, the story he tells in the ring is good, but even in his prime his actual matches themselves (unless a gimmick was involved) were subpar at best. HHH is similar in that he can have a great match with someone like HBK, Austin, or Rock, but he needs someone of that level to play off of. The quality of both Taker's and HHH's matches are dependent on who they are in the ring with, and whether or not that person can put on a hell of a match.

I love HHH and I love Taker, but they are best suited at squashing people in short matches, unless paired with an HBK or a Rock. Don't expect a repeat of what HBK and Taker were able to do.

[parkmania]

Between the HHH/Taker promo and the first half of the Lawler interview, at least we know that WWE writers don't get paid by the word.

[Hanso Amore]

You guys act like Movesets and work rate make classic moments.

Did you even see Rock vs Hogan?

Easily the BEST match that Wrestlemania, and one of the 5 greatest matches ever IMHO. I dont just look at the moves. There is a story, back story, and history involved.

You have to look at it in Kayfabe as well.

HHH poses the biggest threat to the Streak now, and possibly for the last 5 Wreslemanias or so. He is the Game. Game Vs the Streak. And if they add a major strip like has been mentioned, then you have a game changer. No pun intended.

[Onyx]

You guys act like Movesets and work rate make classic moments.

Wrong. We act like movesets and work rate make for classic MATCHES. Despite the fact that everyone talks about WrestleMania moments, I doubt that many people are paying 60 bucks just to watch a moment that will be replayed on youtube, Raw, Smackdown, etc. Ultimately, the majority of us want good matches to give the moments meaning.

Did you even see Rock vs Hogan?

Easily the BEST match that Wrestlemania, and one of the 5 greatest matches ever IMHO.

That's because The Rock can wrestle. HBK vs Hogan at SummerSlam was also a great match. Because HBK can wrestle. Did you see Hogan vs. McMahon at Wrestlemania XIX? Great build. Plenty of story. And arguably a story that had been building for decades. Or at least since Hogan defected to WCW. But a pretty bad match because neither man can wrestle. Hell they had to make it a street fight just to cover up the fact that they can't wrestle.

Hogan is the first name that comes to mainstream minds when they think of wrestling, but let's not forget that the majority of mainstream media and mainstream audiences (nonwrestling fans) don't take wrestling very seriously. Many even see it as a joke. Coincidence? This is why so many celebrities won't come near anything associated with wrestling, and one of the reasons The Rock has been gone for so long. He had to distance himself from wrestling just so Hollywood would take him seriously.

Moments are great, but forgive us if many of us tune into wrestling and like to see....um.....wrestling. Isn't that way so many people here argue that Smackdown is superior to Raw? Because Smackdown is more wrestling oriented while Raw is more about "moments."

It seems to me that you are more interested in the kind of wrestling that was made fun of in the South Park episode, "W.T.F." Which, coincidently, is how most people in the mainstream view pro wrestling, and why so many see it as a joke. If you haven't seen that episode, I recommend that you check it out. It's about you :lol:

[Tom Guycott]

You guys act like Movesets and work rate make classic moments.

Jericho v. Steamboat




On to something else besides HHH/Taker...

Something else happened on RAW that went largely unnoticed, and that was Cena's "freestyle" promo. Now it wasn't so much the promo itself that I want to point out, but the style. Nevermind that the PG poster boy went to a few things he would have disqualifed Punk and Barrett for in that match a few weeks ago, but one thing that I wanted to point out was his change in tone for the delivery.

For a brief moment, he went back to the Cena the haters are holding out for. He ditched the "happy go lucky" and "poopie joke" Cena to the stance of taking Rock's comments seriously.

It's good to see some of that edge back in the character, even for just a moment, but I for one just wish this would have happened vs. Nexus instead of just folding them into comedy relief and keeping kid-friendly Cena during "the greatest threat ever to WWE". So, 7 guys constantly jumping your star player and even making him their bitch for a couple weeks doesn't harden him at all, but a few insults from The People's Champ makes him get all serious? I know it seems like I just contradicted how I feel about what happened in the same paragraph, but I'm just sayin'... it was great to see Ruck Fules Cena for a second, just wish it was done a little sooner to make more sense on the whole and maybe quell some of the backlash against the guy.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

[Onyx]

On to something else besides HHH/Taker...

Something else happened on RAW that went largely unnoticed, and that was Cena's "freestyle" promo. Now it wasn't so much the promo itself that I want to point out, but the style. Nevermind that the PG poster boy went to a few things he would have disqualifed Punk and Barrett for in that match a few weeks ago, but one thing that I wanted to point out was his change in tone for the delivery.

For a brief moment, he went back to the Cena the haters are holding out for. He ditched the "happy go lucky" and "poopie joke" Cena to the stance of taking Rock's comments seriously.

It's good to see some of that edge back in the character, even for just a moment, but I for one just wish this would have happened vs. Nexus instead of just folding them into comedy relief and keeping kid-friendly Cena during "the greatest threat ever to WWE". So, 7 guys constantly jumping your star player and even making him their bitch for a couple weeks doesn't harden him at all, but a few insults from The People's Champ makes him get all serious? I know it seems like I just contradicted how I feel about what happened in the same paragraph, but I'm just sayin'... it was great to see Ruck Fules Cena for a second, just wish it was done a little sooner to make more sense on the whole and maybe quell some of the backlash against the guy.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Oh I couldn't agree more. Cena alone ruined the Nexus angle for me because if the guy taking a stand against them cant act like they are a serious threat then how can they be looked at as a serious threat. Suddenly they felt more like The Spirit Squad back in 06 when they were the butt of every DX joke (sometimes literally) every week. If Cena would have suddenly got serious after that first night when they beat him down, and gave it a no more mr nice guy attitude, I think the angle would have been a lot better.

[James Steele]

Oh fuck off. Have you been watching wrestling for longer than a year? Have you ever seen Triple H wrestle? He is the definition of RING GENERAL.

[Juan]

In your opinion.

I am for HHH/Taker btw

[James Steele]

HHH has a limited moveset, and half of them involve a sledgehammer.

Fucking idiotic statement. He better not bitch if he busts out the indian deathlock or crossface. Also, he only has like 3 moves with the sledgehammer (to the face, to the sternum, to the skull).

[Lara Emily]

Can someone other than James Steele point me to a match HHH has done recently that was super fantastic

[James Steele]

Can someone other than James Steele point me to a match HHH has done recently that was super fantastic

Can someone else be an incessant bitch? This one is getting worn out.

[Lara Emily]

Can someone else be an incessant bitch? This one is getting worn out.

It's an honest question. I'm legit curious when the last time in a 1 on 1 match Triple H was omg outstanding.

[James Steele]

It's an honest question. I'm legit curious when the last time in a 1 on 1 match Triple H was omg outstanding.

You will never accept an answer because either a) oh your just an HHH mark posting or b) nah. that match sucked. or c) you feel like bitching about something surrounding the match. You will never give Triple H the credit he is due because you are looking for something to shit all over him on. If they decide to build the entire feud around HHH avenging Shawn Michaels will you still bitch about it not having any build?

[Lara Emily]

You will never accept an answer because either a) oh your just an HHH mark posting or b) nah. that match sucked. or c) you feel like bitching about something surrounding the match. You will never give Triple H the credit he is due because you are looking for something to shit all over him on. If they decide to build the entire feud around HHH avenging Shawn Michaels will you still bitch about it not having any build?
If they do it in an entertaining way sure.

BTW I don't hate HHH I just think his time has passed. You are the only one whose opinion on an HHH match I don't trust, you're the only big Triple H mark here.

[James Steele]

If they do it in an entertaining way sure.

BTW I don't hate HHH I just think his time has passed. You are the only one whose opinion on an HHH match I don't trust, you're the only big Triple H mark here.

Yes, because Triple H has hogged up so many main events and title reigns since 2005. He has had three reigns since he dropped the belt to Batista at WrestleMania 21. He has only been in a WM Title match in 3 WMs since, and he lost 2 of them. He is exactly where he is needed as an "enhancement main eventer" in which he is "finishing school" for guys. He cemented John Cena at WrestleMania 22 and solidified the new Randy Orton at WrestleMania XXIV. He went to SmackDown! and helped push Jeff Hardy to the next level and was a part of him being the hottest thing in the business at the time. While on SD!, HHH had to carry Khali through SummerSlam and Kozlov through Survivor Series. He then went on through a great feud with Orton through WM25. The match was underwhelming but the standards set for the night couldn't be reached. Then, DX feuds with Legacy and really give the rub to Rhodes/DiBiase. HHH/HBK/Cena at Survivor Series 09 was a great match and the psychology was tremendous. Then, they have a great match with JeriShow at TLC. Then, Triple H makes Sheamus a fucking STAR. Now, he is back and getting a marquee feud with Undertaker. I along with millions of people am fired up about this and they didn't need to say a word or do some over the top build. It is amazing how having 2 of the biggest stars in the history of wrestling agree to fight just works. I believe they will throw some fuel on the fire with HHH avenging HBK, but at the end of the day there will be asses in seats and eyes on televisions because Triple H and Undertaker are going to kick each others' ass at WRESTLEMANIA!

[DaVe]

lol james you are entertaining as hell. so much energy goes into every one of your posts.

i would have personally ignored the trollish posts.

[Dave Youell]

Lara does kind of have a point.

Can't remember the last 'great' match he's had to be honest. No doubting he's very good, but for someone at this level, he hasn't had many memorable matches in the last couple of years.

*runs*

[Onyx]

Like we're supposed to take the word of someone whose avatar was the movie poster from "The Chaperone" for a month in what is good taste or high quality......


:rofl:

Good one.

[Onyx]

Also, he only has like 3 moves with the sledgehammer (to the face, to the sternum, to the skull).

And three moves without the sledgehammer (pedigree, knee to face, spinebuster/flex pose combo). So like I said, half his moves involve a sledgehammer. Thanks for providing the evidence to support my argument. I appreciate it :y:

[Skippord]

Maybe Sheamus just won his feud with Triple H last year

[Lara Emily]

Lara does kind of have a point.

Can't remember the last 'great' match he's had to be honest. No doubting he's very good, but for someone at this level, he hasn't had many memorable matches in the last couple of years.

*runs*

Thank you

[Dave Youell]

Y'know, the more I think about it. Guys last 'great' match was probably Summerslam against HBK. That was a long time ago now

[James Steele]

Y'know, the more I think about it. Guys last 'great' match was probably Summerslam against HBK. That was a long time ago now

C'mon now. WrestleMania XX? WrestleMania 22? Pick one of his PPV matches with Ric Flair. Hell, the Last Man Standing or Hell in a Cell match with HBK in 04 were great matches. Hell in a Cell at Vengeance 05 vs Batista was a great match. After WM22, HHH mostly was involved with DX feuding with the McMahons and the Spirit Squad. He was out for most of 2007. The triple threat at WM24 was a good match, but I wouldn't classify it as "great". Hell, you can't expect a man to constantly put on classic after classic. Hardy/HHH at No Mercy 08 was a damn good match but was over-shadowed by HBK/Jericho. The DX/Legacy matches were pretty fucking good too in 09. He then put on great performances with Sheamus. Please tell me oh Lara and Dave the Gods of Wrestling Greatness, what OTHER than HBK/TAKER and HBK/JERICHO has been "great" in the past 10 years.

[Savio]

Can someone other than James Steele point me to a match HHH has done recently that was super fantastic
Why would it matter who points you to a good match?

[James Steele]

Why would it matter who points you to a good match?

Because then she wouldn't have any solid points to her argument other than being a bitchy MegaSmark™.

[Lara Emily]

C'mon now. WrestleMania XX? WrestleMania 22? Pick one of his PPV matches with Ric Flair. Hell, the Last Man Standing or Hell in a Cell match with HBK in 04 were great matches. Hell in a Cell at Vengeance 05 vs Batista was a great match. After WM22, HHH mostly was involved with DX feuding with the McMahons and the Spirit Squad. He was out for most of 2007. The triple threat at WM24 was a good match, but I wouldn't classify it as "great". Hell, you can't expect a man to constantly put on classic after classic. Hardy/HHH at No Mercy 08 was a damn good match but was over-shadowed by HBK/Jericho. The DX/Legacy matches were pretty fucking good too in 09. He then put on great performances with Sheamus. Please tell me oh Lara and Dave the Gods of Wrestling Greatness, what OTHER than HBK/TAKER and HBK/JERICHO has been "great" in the past 10 years.

Angle/Lesnar (Mania 19, Ironman match), Angle/Guerrero, HBK/Flair, Orton/Benoit, Angle/Benoit (pick one), Daniel Bryan/Dolf Ziggler, Edge/Foley, Foley/Orton , Angle/HBK, Benoit/Jericho/Austin, Austin/Rock Wm 17 and 19, Rock/Angle/Taker, Benoit/HHH/HBK (I agree with you on that one), Orton/Taker, Edge/Taker, any number of the Benoit/Austin matches from 01

[Lara Emily]

Why would it matter who points you to a good match?


Because Steele's gimmick is that he think HHH is Jesus.

BTW Cena/HHH Wm 22 was not great. It was solid elevated by a great crowd, kinda like say Cena/RVD ONS 06

[James Steele]

Daniel Bryan/Dolf Ziggler is great (which it was), but nothing Triple H has done in 6 years is? Fuck off with that absurdity.

[Lara Emily]

Daniel Bryan/Dolf Ziggler is great, but nothing Triple H has done in 6 years is? Fuck off with that absurdity.

Bryan/Ziggler was an amazing match, dude it fucking tied HBK/UT 2 for match of the year.

They also turned around and had a pretty awesome rematch the next night.

[Dave Youell]

C'mon now. WrestleMania XX? WrestleMania 22? Pick one of his PPV matches with Ric Flair. Hell, the Last Man Standing or Hell in a Cell match with HBK in 04 were great matches. Hell in a Cell at Vengeance 05 vs Batista was a great match. After WM22, HHH mostly was involved with DX feuding with the McMahons and the Spirit Squad. He was out for most of 2007. The triple threat at WM24 was a good match, but I wouldn't classify it as "great". Hell, you can't expect a man to constantly put on classic after classic. Hardy/HHH at No Mercy 08 was a damn good match but was over-shadowed by HBK/Jericho. The DX/Legacy matches were pretty fucking good too in 09. He then put on great performances with Sheamus. Please tell me oh Lara and Dave the Gods of Wrestling Greatness, what OTHER than HBK/TAKER and HBK/JERICHO has been "great" in the past 10 years.

I forgot mania 20. I'd put that In there. It's only my opinion. My main issue with trips is that everyone works his style match and he doesn't change up his game. Which, for me, means that the matches although of high quality, all blend into one. At least in the past few years.

To answer your other question about what matches in the past decade I've personally loved:

Do Fixer v Blood Generation - ROH Chicago
MCMG v Beer Money - The last in the Best of 5 on TV last summer
Angle v HBK - Mania
Sabin v Shelly - Can't remember the PPV, but it was for the X title

That's purely off the top of my head, I relate my favourite matches to the emotional attachment I have to them for different reasons.

Trips hasn't done that for me since 2003, sorry.

[Dave Youell]

Bryan/Ziggler was an amazing match, dude it fucking tied HBK/UT 2 for match of the year.

They also turned around and had a pretty awesome rematch the next night.

That was a great match.

Remember these are 2 fresh guys doing new things, which is what some people like to see

[James Steele]

Bryan/Ziggler was an amazing match, dude it fucking tied HBK/UT 2 for match of the year.

They also turned around and had a pretty awesome rematch the next night.

I agree it is a good match, but it wasn't match of the year. Who voted it match of the year? Some newsletter than is geared toward circle-jerking self-righteous smark cunts?

[Evil Vito]

I agree it is a good match, but it wasn't match of the year. Who voted it match of the year? Some newsletter than is geared toward circle-jerking self-righteous smark cunts?

<font color=goldenrod>WWE.com</font>

[Lara Emily]

I agree it is a good match, but it wasn't match of the year. Who voted it match of the year? Some newsletter than is geared toward circle-jerking self-righteous smark cunts?

Oh you got me there it was voted match of the year by the most stuck up smark publication in history...


WWE.com

[The Naitch]

Here ya go Lara:

http://slamzilla.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/triple-H.jpg

http://i.wrestlinginc.com/featured/alberto-del-rio-f.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DvghL-6WKsc/TM4Vpa2SYmI/AAAAAAAADCA/kRzsKQ_IVec/s1600/hhh+vs+rio.bmp

http://www.wwe.com/inside/fanappreciationday/photos/triplehvsdelrio/FAN_Photo_137.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DvghL-6WKsc/TM4Vp42c1fI/AAAAAAAADCQ/yduOj7CT5xs/s400/hhh+vs+del+rio.bmp

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0dWm8hLcfMeua/439x.jpg

http://vthumb.ak.fbcdn.net/hvthumb-ak-snc4/hs1249.snc4/158146_166082046752959_166081706752993_62624_1430_b.jpg

http://www.ac-n1.com/vb/imgcache/48105.imgcache.jpg

The match was go good, he had to wrestle in a t-shirt and jeans

[James Steele]

Oh you got me there it was voted match of the year by the most stuck up smark publication in history...


WWE.com

You got me there, but come on. Ziggler/Bryan =/= Taker/HBK

Edit: Ziggler/Bryan was an awesome pure wrestling match, but it won't be remembered by WrestleMania XXX.

[Lara Emily]

You got me there, but come on. Ziggler/Bryan =/= Taker/HBK

HBK/Taker I no but that's light years ahead of almost everything in at least the past 5 years.

HBK/Taker II which it tied with absolutely. That ZIggler/Bryan match was phenomenal and it earned MOTY equal billing for sure.

[James Steele]

Ok Lara. Please tell me memorable spots/moments from the Ziggler/Bryan match off the top of your head that you will never forget. (No cheating).

[Lara Emily]

Ok Lara. Please tell me memorable spots/moments from the Ziggler/Bryan match off the top of your head that you will never forget. (No cheating).


I can't want to know why? It wasn't a match about spots or moments it was just an amazing 16 minute clinic.

So what I will remember about it was being absolutely blown away when it was done.

[Xero]

Show did a 3.9 according to PWInsider, which is huge.

[Lara Emily]

Show did a 3.9 according to PWInsider, which is huge.

I'm sure largely due to 2.21.11 hype

[Xero]

That and Rock's return. Willing to bet that Rock's return did about 75% of the jump.

[Lara Emily]

That and Rock's return. Willing to bet that Rock's return did about 75% of the jump.

Oh good point, it'll be intereasting what happens next week with ratings.

No Rock and a largely mixed reaction 2.21.11 reveal could drop the ratings.

[The Naitch]

2-21-11 was a huge letdown

[CSL]

Catching up with this show now, lol the Cena segment, 'Your mountain is Brokeback' line was brilliant. And A+ promo from Miz. He doesn't need to feud with anybody, he could come out every week and cut these promos and they'll pay to see somebody try and beat him come PPV.

[CSL]

Hot pop for Trips. Don't think he's seen a sunbed or been outside since going off TV though. And being that close to that indestructible hairline can't have been good for Taker's self esteem. Wonder if Trips will stay 'lean' or pack on the mass leading up to Mania.

[CSL]

I'm a mark for Mark (Henry)

[CSL]

No idea what anybody was crying about with Sheamus jobbing, they could hardly have protected him more in doing it.

[CSL]

Hot Cole/King segment

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Best ratings in a year. So, will they be able to use Taker/Triple H and Cena/Miz to even more ratings with the help of the Rock? Should be interesting.

[James Steele]

I can't want to know why? It wasn't a match about spots or moments it was just an amazing 16 minute clinic.

So what I will remember about it was being absolutely blown away when it was done.

So, you can't remember anything from the match other than it blew you away? What blew you away? How did they wrestle? I can tell you in graphic detail why I think a match or segment is great. I'm not arguing it wasn't a great match, but to list that match when shitting all over Triple H's work for the past 10 years is asinine.

[Lara Emily]

So, you can't remember anything from the match other than it blew you away? What blew you away? How did they wrestle? I can tell you in graphic detail why I think a match or segment is great. I'm not arguing it wasn't a great match, but to list that match when shitting all over Triple H's work for the past 10 years is asinine.

There were several amazing reversals and close falls. It was just an amazing clinic like I said dude there was no high spots per say, the match just had an unbelievable flow to it, not one moment rose above the rest because it was all just top notch. A great match is not a sum of a bunch of spots.


And yes that match was better than pretty much everything HHH has done recently.

[James Steele]

I'd agree considering he has been out for almost a year.

[Fignuts]

I'm a mark for Mark (Henry)

You must spread some reputation before giving it to CSL again.

[Lara Emily]

I'd agree considering he has been out for almost a year.

Recently = past 2-3 years

[James Steele]

Recently = past 2-3 years

I've given examples of matches in the past 2-3 years, but of course my opinion isn't valid to you and I gather anyone else won't be either since you will come up with some bullshit excuse to ignore the obvious and live in your bubble of smarkish ignorant bliss.

[Johnny Vegas]

I'll admit that all of the Rock's movies haven't been great lol

But Cena wants to talk about The Rock "not coming back" to the WWE. First off, he's made appearances here and there, and when you "retire" or go away from wrestling, then GO AWAY. Thats whats wrong with the Hogans, Flairs, etc. Don't know when to say "hey, i got to my PEAK, nothing more for me to do other than help younger talent", but he does need to make money. But idk

[Onyx]

But Cena wants to talk about The Rock "not coming back" to the WWE. First off, he's made appearances here and there, and when you "retire" or go away from wrestling, then GO AWAY. Thats whats wrong with the Hogans, Flairs, etc. Don't know when to say "hey, i got to my PEAK, nothing more for me to do other than help younger talent", but he does need to make money. But idk

While yes, it's true that Hogan and Flair just don't know when to quit, for other's it isn't that easy to stay away. If you are a big name there will always be fans begging for "one more match." Which proves to McMahon or Carter that there is still money to be made off of your name and legacy, so then they ask for "one more match." And if they can get more out of you, they'll take it. Wrestlers are guilty of not being able to walk away, but the fans and the people signing the checks don't make it easy either.