Official RAW Thread for 2/28/11 - On the Road to WrestleMania

[Tb1]

After like, 10 years, Cena still can't take a proper bump. Fantastic

[ClockShot]

What Nuggets debacle?

About a year or 2 ago, Denver Nuggets made the NBA playoffs and started on monday night at home. That same night, WWE had the arena. A bit of back and forth went down, but NBA won. Vince either to Had to move the show to a smaller venue in Denver, or to another available arena.

[Fignuts]

Oh yeah.

[FearedSanctity]

About a year or 2 ago, Denver Nuggets made the NBA playoffs and started on monday night at home. That same night, WWE had the arena. A bit of back and forth went down, but NBA won. Vince either to Had to move the show to a smaller venue in Denver, or to another available arena.

And of course, he moved it to LA, who Denver was playing

[Hanso Amore]

And then the Main Event was a 5 on 5 match with lakers and Nuggets jerseys. Lakers won.

Kennedy dropped Orton on his head and got fired the next day.

[MoFo]

About a year or 2 ago, Denver Nuggets made the NBA playoffs and started on monday night at home. That same night, WWE had the arena. A bit of back and forth went down, but NBA won. Vince either to Had to move the show to a smaller venue in Denver, or to another available arena.


So they did some sort of 'inside joke' by having a 10man tag match wearing Lakers & Nuggets jerseys.

[Skippord]

and then spent like half of that show mocking the Nuggets

[Lara Emily]

Add Riley to the buried list.

[Skippord]

some nice story telling, team

[Lara Emily]

Worst Raw in ages

[CSL]

So on Raw so far:

HHH Buries Shamus
Evan Bourne Buries Shamus further
Cena Buries The Miz
Cena and Cole buries A-Rye
Orton Buries 1/4 of Nexus
Rock Buries Cena (but in a good way here)
Miz buries Daniel Bryan

What a fucking weird Raw

Not watched RAW but I'm guessing this is a ridiculous overreaction.

[CSL]

Worst Raw in ages

Ditto this one.

[loopydate]

Nope. Pretty spot on, actually. Atrocious RAW.

[CSL]

That bad? Really?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>This was just an abysmally bad Raw. I don't even have any interest in Miz/Cena since Miz feels like an afterthought and Cena/Rock is the main story. Miz has next to no chance of winning.

With 4 weeks to go, I'm currently leaning towards not buying it. Hope they get their shit together next week.

God I really wish I hadn't dropped $80 on Raw seats. If I get 100 minutes of promos/breaks with 20 minutes of wrestling I'm gonna flip. Yeah there are Superstars matches too but big whoop.</font>

[loopydate]

Yeah, I'm going to Mania and I'm not that excited about Mania after tonight. I know it will still be a great show because it's Mania, but WWE really showed me nothing tonight to get excited about other than The Rock. Minor mark-out moment for the return of Evan Bourne and I'm excited to see Sin Cara.

That's it.

Awful Raw.

[Mr. Pierre]

I enjoyed the first hour, but the 2nd hour was bad.

HHH/Taker, Lawler/Cole, and Orton/Punk got some nice build..meanwhille Miz/Cena's build tonight was pretty horrendous.

[Lara Emily]

That bad? Really?

Yup there was 20 minutes total of wrestling (none of it very entertaining at that)

A snooze inducing HHH promo, it had zero passion.

An awful awful awful Cena promo that basically made Miz out to look like a dipshit

The highlights were King/Cole and an amazing Rock promo (A promo that wasn't even in ring). That's it about 30 minutes of entertainment.

It was just surreal a Raw on the RTWM being used to bury so much talent

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Just gotta keep telling myself that April 11th is AFTER Mania so there should actually be a decent amount of wrestling. I have yet to see a bad show live so I'm hoping that trend continues. If it's anything like tonight in terms of amount of wrestling I'll probably second guess ever going to a TV show again.</font>

[Providence Peep]

<font color=goldenrod>God I really wish I hadn't dropped $80 on Raw seats. If I get 100 minutes of promos/breaks with 20 minutes of wrestling I'm gonna flip. Yeah there are Superstars matches too but big whoop.</font>

Nah, don't feel bad, Vito. Just try to have a good time. I spent $250 on two, tenth row tix for RAW in Providence a few weeks ago. I got them from a ticket agent.

[Evil Vito]

Nah, don't feel bad, Vito. Just try to have a good time. I spent $250 on two, tenth row tix for RAW in Providence a few weeks ago. I got them from a ticket agent.

<font color=goldenrod>I'm going to Raw solo for the first time because nobody I usually go with can make it. Hence it's even more important to have a good show.</font> :o

[Lara Emily]

And when I saw awful Cena promo I mean so awful he actually killed the crowd

I'd be so pissed if I paid to see that live, their best moment was spent staring at the titan tron

[Fignuts]

I don't get what everyone is so mad about with miz.

So Cena made him look like a dipshit. His character IS a dipshit. He's a slimey weasel who cheats to win, and doesn't fight like a man.

This isn't ROH. There is no code of honor.

[Cool King]

So on Raw so far:

HHH Buries Shamus
Evan Bourne Buries Shamus further
Cena Buries The Miz
Cena and Cole buries A-Rye
Orton Buries 1/4 of Nexus
Rock Buries Cena (but in a good way here)
Miz buries Daniel Bryan

What a fucking weird Raw

Yeah, when you put it like that, it was a pretty bad Raw. Even though it's not long finished, all I can mostly remember from Raw is talking.

That's it. :-\

[RawRocks]

This Raw went down the tubes as soon Michael Cole came back on.

[Lara Emily]

I don't get what everyone is so mad about with miz.

So Cena made him look like a dipshit. His character IS a dipshit. He's a slimey weasel who cheats to win, and doesn't fight like a man.

This isn't ROH. There is no code of honor.

It's not about honor it';s about not booking your champ as a total joke going into the biggest show of the year.

Miz might be slimy and a cheater but he's trying to be a serious heel, Cena comes in puts his arm around him, calls him gay, etc... it just treats Miz like a total joke.

[Fignuts]

Aaaaaaaand then miz delivers a skull crushing finale to cena to end the show for the second week in a row.

That kind of negates any gay jokes cena makes, at least in my eyes.

[Lara Emily]

Aaaaaaaand then miz delivers a skull crushing finale to cena to end the show for the second week in a row.

That kind of negates any gay jokes cena makes, at least in my eyes.

It helps with the sting, I don't think it negates.

[jkman61494]

So, can anyone give me a logical explanation as to why the WWE abandoned the past 18 months of growth they tried to give their roster? Is it due to their Q4 earnings? Because what they've done thus far in 2011 is god awful, something you'd see inferior organizations like WCW would do.

They bring in an entire new crop of wrestlers that they put their time and money into making us believe could compete with the John Cena's and Undertaker's of the world. And they did a pretty darn good job at it.

Now? They've managed to destroy almost all of it and I just cannot understand why. And it's a shame because I'm a fan they lost due to having the same four or five main events for what seemed like five or six years. They brought me in with new refreshing characters, but now I don't even see a point to watch when all they are doing is sending them down to WWE Superstars.

Raw:

The Good:

The Miz: Maybe the ONLY success story on the show now which is really sad considering the landscape of the show a few months ago.

John Morrison: I guess it's considered in the "good" category, but now he's got no one to feud with after being given a whopping ONE WEEK run as #1 contender.

The Bad:

Sheamus: He's gone from a WWE Champion, to a perennial contender winning King of the Ring to an absolute jobber. He was over as a credible heel, but it will take months of image repair to what they've done to him even in the past two weeks.

Daniel Bryan: Has never even been given a chance to shine. Has held the US Title since the fall but has never been given anyone to feud with. Had one good match against the Miz that just went down the drain being jumped for no reason tonight. Holds a title with no feud for WM.

Ted DiBiase: Went from a major member of a group to being maybe the biggest jobber on Raw, losing a feud to Goldust.

Nexus: Took the hottest group and feud of 2010, and pissed it all away within two weeks and now is an absolute mess and is dragging their top heel in CM Punk along with it.

The Hart Foundation: They were maybe the only over tag team in the WWE and decided to break it up. And they managed to make BOTH guys Marty Jannety as DH Smith is off TV and Tyson Kidd had a grand two week heel run.

Smackdown:

The good:

Alberto Del Rio: They seem to be in love with ADR and I can't see him losing to Edge here.

Cody Rhodes: He looked like the odd man out after WrestleMania last year, but now he's done really well with his opportunity.

Dolph Ziggler: The guy got a good push and is being paired with a heel machine in Vickie.

The Bad:

Wade Barrett: Part of the Nexus debacle. The guy was maybe the top heel in the WWE and they've absolutely destroyed his push. He's now at best going to have a meaningless match with the Big Show.

Drew McIntyre: Pushed to the moon at first, was pretty over and showed potential. He's now stuck in some crummy feud with Kelly Kelly in the middle of it.

Jack Swagger: From #1 contender for the WWE Title, to a champion, to being Michael Cole's side kick in one year.

Kofi Kingston: The crowd loves him and his MSG moment with Orton got one of the loudest pops in the WWE in maybe the past five years (pales in comparison to say Rock a few weeks ago but still.) Today, he's an IC champion but is now nothing more than a jobber, and also has no one to feud with. On a side note, you gotta love the fact that neither mid-card champion has had ANY feuds in 2010.

Ezekiel Jackson: He kicked some ass a few months back, disappears, is repackaged to be some kind of monster, then becomes the muscle of a group that never wrestles.



With a youth movement going on, this was an opportunity to really show case them ESPECIALLY when you consider the fact you got HHH, Undertaker, Austin and the Rock all being involved in some fashion. Instead the vast majority is now completely buried.

We might as well just let Booker T and Diesel run all over then. Everyone else is now.

[Fignuts]

It helps with the sting, I don't think it negates.

Actions speak louder than words, and Miz has gotten the better of Cena two weeks in a row now. As far as I'm concerned, Miz looks stronger now, than he's ever been.

[DaBrasko]

I'm surprised that no one mentioned that HHH basically buried the whole locker room saying here were "no real challenges in the back"

[Lock Jaw]

So on Raw so far:

HHH Buries Shamus
Evan Bourne Buries Shamus further
Cena Buries The Miz
Cena and Cole buries A-Rye
Orton Buries 1/4 of Nexus
Rock Buries Cena (but in a good way here)
Miz buries Daniel Bryan

What a fucking weird Raw

HHH actually pretty much buried the entire RAW and Smackdown roster. Saying that there were no challenges for him except Undertaker, and vice versa. VINTAGE Triple H!

Pretty incensed about the burying of Sheamus. Don't care about A-Ri or Daniel Bryan being buried.

I wonder though... is this it for NXT Season 2?! All remnants are gone!

[Lock Jaw]

Dammit DaBrasko, I was getting to that.

[jkman61494]

This was just an abysmally bad Raw. I don't even have any interest in Miz/Cena since Miz feels like an afterthought and Cena/Rock is the main story. Miz has next to no chance of winning.

With 4 weeks to go, I'm currently leaning towards not buying it. Hope they get their shit together next week.
.

I can't agree more. They've booked all of this absolutely horribly.

They're managing to book Miz as a god awful champion (factor in he almost lost to a 63-year-old). He's being made to look inferior to Cena, and in turn Cena is looking like an absolute dope with The Rock.

John Cena is supposed to have a title match, but the entire feud is focusing on he and The Rock. The Miz meanwhile goes and attacks Daniel Bryan, who after being booked so horribly has little credibility to then look like he's on equal footing.


On paper, this was a good concept. But the execution of it, is awful.

[MoFo]

Needed more Rock, and less everybody else.

[Lock Jaw]

I actually liked how they booked Miz tonight. I think he should definitely take pics and tweet them mid-match as a "thing". Kind of like how Rock used to get on headset and talk, but FOR THE AGE OF SOCIAL NETWORKING!

[DaBrasko]

Dammit DaBrasko, I was getting to that.

Sorry :(

[jkman61494]

Does anyone with ANY sort of knowledge have an explanation for their decision to pretty much kill the youth movement?

Were there new writers brought in? Any let go?

Were their earnings THAT bad?

I just don't understand who they can just completely destroy almost every wrestler they have built up since 2009.

[Lara Emily]

HHH actually pretty much buried the entire RAW and Smackdown roster. Saying that there were no challenges for him except Undertaker, and vice versa. VINTAGE Triple H!

Pretty incensed about the burying of Sheamus. Don't care about A-Ri or Daniel Bryan being buried.

I wonder though... is this it for NXT Season 2?! All remnants are gone!

Yeah totally forgot that. Loved HHH just coming out and being like let's face it everyone back there sucks LOL

It was an awful HHH promo, and an even worse Cena promo, I stll can't believe how quiet the crowd got, it died,

[jkman61494]

I would have found what he said upsetting on most nights, but when you consider the destruction of almost every wrestler out there with less than seven years in the business, it seems tame.

I can excuse it only because HHH and Taker are on a different level than anyone else on that roster now. To then destroy Sheamus 30 seconds later, and put away their feud like that? Inexcusable.

How bad is it for Sheamus? Remember when they had Santino get a fluke win over him and it was booked like it was some sort of miracle? At this point, Sheamus is probably lower on the totem poll than him at this point.

[Juan]

you guys crack me up.
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There are like 5 weeks left until Mania, I'm pretty sure Miz will get the upper hand on Cena eventually.

Seems like some of you wont be happy until Cena is only wrestling dark matches and jobbing on Superstars.

He's the freaking face of the company going into the biggest event of the year, he's gonna win a match or two.

[Lara Emily]

I actually liked how they booked Miz tonight. I think he should definitely take pics and tweet them mid-match as a "thing". Kind of like how Rock used to get on headset and talk, but FOR THE AGE OF SOCIAL NETWORKING!

They definitely did some things right later with The Miz. I loved the picture taking and the actual tweeting

[Lara Emily]

you guys crack me up.
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There are like 5 weeks left until Mania, I'm pretty sure Miz will get the upper hand on Cena eventually.

Seems like some of you wont be happy until Cena is only wrestling dark matches and jobbing on Superstars.

He's the freaking face of the company going into the biggest event of the year, he's gonna win a match or two.

I have no problem with him winning, wtf. It was his promo that was the problem, it was just really bad.

[thedamndest]

You complain about young guys not getting over and then you complain that Evan Bourne won.

[Lara Emily]

You complain about young guys not getting over and then you complain that Evan Bourne won.

Him squashing Shamus was kinda silly

[DaBrasko]

I would have found what he said upsetting on most nights, but when you consider the destruction of almost every wrestler out there with less than seven years in the business, it seems tame.

I can excuse it only because HHH and Taker are on a different level than anyone else on that roster now. To then destroy Sheamus 30 seconds later, and put away their feud like that? Inexcusable.

How bad is it for Sheamus? Remember when they had Santino get a fluke win over him and it was booked like it was some sort of miracle? At this point, Sheamus is probably lower on the totem poll than him at this point.

I don't know. I think basically him saying there isn't anyone worth a damn in the back and him killing Shemus in 30 seconds both were bad. I would rather have HHH and Shemus not interact at all if Undertake and HHH is supposed to be HHH's last match. Killing Shemus that fast accomplished nothing. All I got from that segment was Shemus just injuring him was a fluke.

[thedamndest]

Him squashing Shamus was kinda silly

How was it silly? Sheamus was selling getting pedigreed through a table.

You weren't one of the people that complained when Cena no sold an RKO on the ground, were you?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It was one burial right after another. I find myself echoing The Miz' sentiments. Really? Really? REALLY?

Did HHH REALLY have to basically say the entire roster sucks except for him and Taker?

Did Sheamus REALLY have to get his ass demolished without even getting to at least cut a promo and land a few punches?

Did Evan Bourne's return REALLY have to come against a guy who was already beat up and thus he gains nothing from it when there are plenty of low card heels (why hello there Ted DiBiase, William Regal, Zack Ryder, Tyson Kidd, and Primo) that could have jobbed and make the win look legitimate?

Did the United States champion REALLY have to be the one to get jumped by The Miz and again put up no offense when there were no shortage of jobber faces (why hello there Santino Marella, Vladimir Kozlov, Darren Young, Yoshi Tatsu, and David Hart Smith) to fill the role?

Just a fucking stupid night of booking. Even if they took the same general route it could have just been executed in such a way where so many guys didn't look stupid when they didn't have to.</font>

[Fignuts]

Cena's promo was bad, but if anything, it made miz look good, given that their promos were back to back and miz's were far better. Cena made himself look stupid and no one else, really.

Also, I have no problem with Triple A's comments, because what he said was basically true. What would beating John Cena and Orton accomplish? Sure they would be challenging matches, but he's already achieved victory. I think people just misinterpreted that. It's not that he was burying the locker room, he was saying he has already met the challenges that the rest of the locker room has to offer. Which he has.

Anyway, it was all said to add to the epic atmosphere of the match.

It wasn't a very entertaining raw, but I think people are overreacting a tad, to all this supposed "burying" going on.

OH GOD DANIEL BRYAN WAS ATTACKED FROM BEHIND BY THE WORLD CHAMPION! HIS CAREER IS OVER!

[jkman61494]

The other thing I took from tonight was how desperately Cena needs an image makeover.

You have the Rock in a nice simple black shirt which is one thing. You then have Miz and Riley looking like a million bucks. And Cena is out there in his stale attire looking like a 12 year old punk kid in purple.

He just looked really lame to me tonight. And how long has he had that stupid purple shirt for. Would it kill them to market something new?

[thedamndest]

I guarantee nobody in the arena took HHH's comments as seriously as TPWW.

"OMG, how will Daniel Bryan and David Otunga ever get over?>>>?" HHH said he was better than them!!!!!"

[Lara Emily]

How was it silly? Sheamus was selling getting pedigreed through a table.

You weren't one of the people that complained when Cena no sold an RKO on the ground, were you?

The whole angle was silly,the pedigree to the match, it didn't do anything for Bourne and just buried Shamus

[DaBrasko]

Cena's promo was bad, but if anything, it made miz look good, given that their promos were back to back and miz's were far better. Cena made himself look stupid and no one else, really.

Also, I have no problem with Triple A's comments, because what he said was basically true. What would beating John Cena and Orton accomplish? Sure they would be challenging matches, but he's already achieved victory. I think people just misinterpreted that. It's not that he was burying the locker room, he was saying he has already met the challenges that the rest of the locker room has to offer. Which he has.

Anyway, it was all said to add to the epic atmosphere of the match.

It wasn't a very entertaining raw, but I think people are overreacting a tad, to all this supposed "burying" going on.



OH GOD DANIEL BRYAN WAS ATTACKED FROM BEHIND BY THE WORLD CHAMPION! HIS CAREER IS OVER!


There were so many different ways to put over Taker's streak as the last great thing to accomplish other than saying that their locker room sucked.

[Corndad]

For being so good to even great last few weeks I would be so pissed if I was in Buffalo and paid to watch that live. There was like someone already said 30 mins tops of actual wrestling with the rest either long boring promos or on tape promos.

Bout the only thing I saw good tonight was Miz being made to be strong. Hated had to squash Bryan to do it though.

The Sheamus thing confuses me a lot. Of course there are the rumors of Kevin Dunn not liking this guy but c'mon. Insane he went from Wrestling HHH at last Mania to now being buried by him. If anyone didn't need a rub going into Mania its HHH. So much for the Sheamus-Bryan feud I was hoping for meaning anything after last week.

[XCaliber]

Seriously they've only been feuding since the nXt days and Bryan was the one who beat Miz for the US in the first so place oh noes he's a jobber now just cuz he attacked from behind to probly help push him to the main event down the line REALLY?!? Overall I didn't think the show was all that bad other than the fact that it was crammed up with so many promos by major stars when rather than having some actual matches to help the buildup to WM even if they were predictibly booked. Let's face in Vinces eyes new young talent doesn't equal good buyrates and this is why we are seeing this sudden shift but once it's all said and done I foresee that the guys that were pushing a few months back other than ADR that is will be in the thick of things.

[jkman61494]

How was it silly? Sheamus was selling getting pedigreed through a table.

You weren't one of the people that complained when Cena no sold an RKO on the ground, were you?

It's the fact that there was no reason to bury Sheamus a one time credible champion again.


You want Bourne to come back? Great. Have him take on some other middling like R-Truth or DiBiase who's already been sufficiently jobbed. Or here's an earth shattering idea, try to actaully have Daniel Bryan have a feud with someone!

I mean I can't get over how awful it all is. I mean who in their right mind now would care if Bryan feuds with Sheamus? Even prior to Elimination Chamber it'd look like a good feud of Sheamus, the #3 heel taking on Bryan. Now? They're just two jobbers.

[thedamndest]

Look at the big picture here. They wanted to debut HHH and Taker right before Mania. If you bring either back before the Rumble or EC then the excitement goes away. There just isn't time to do a closure program with PPVs for Sheamus. Not that it even matters because there isn't any doubt that HHH would win after being gone for almost a year. So HHH kicks Sheamus in the balls and Pedigrees him on a table and now both men are free to go about their business. Sheamus does not need to think about going to TNA or anything right now.

[Fignuts]

He didn't say the locker room sucked ffs.

He said he had beaten everyone already.

And like it or not, Triple H and Taker ARE viewed as being on a higher level than the rest of the locker room. With Jericho and HBK gone, they are the last two veteran icons of the WWE. No matter how well you push younger talent, they won't be looked at in the same way by the fans as guys like HHH and Taker. There is too much history to their careers.

So even if you wanted to take what Triple H said the wrong way, the casual fans were probably already thinking it anyway.

[jkman61494]

Sheamus does not need to think about going to TNA or anything right now.

You're probably right. But when you have a guy in the organization publically saying they don't like you, and in 2011 they book you from winning King of the Ring to jobbing clean to Mark Henry, you should be concerned.

They could have EASILY done something better. How about Sheamus coming out and they brawl for two minutes and the GM announces next week is a No DQ Falls Count Anywhere match between the two??

A 15 minute main event ensues, and you can have the same conclusion.


Sheamus looks strong in defeat, and HHH vanquishes his foe. Much better and nicer way to get BOTH over instead of Sheamus potentially booking a ticket of Superstar main events with William Regal and Yoshi Tatsu.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>What I just don't understand is - the Raw roster is fucking enormous. There are way more guys on the Raw undercard roster than they actually need. The great majority of them never even sniff the main show anymore unless it's a brief comedy segment. Why not put them to use and let them do something on the main show instead of feeding the guys who actually should be relevant to the wolves? It would protect the guys that should be protected and might actually remind the casual audience that some of those guys even exist.

Hell, look at JoMo. Morrison was nowhere to be seen tonight and I think a week off is a better alternative than being used in a filler segment that could have been filled by somebody low on the totem pole who will never be over. Instead he'll probably get a decent-length Superstars match and get to come back next week hopefully with something meaningful to do.</font>

[Lock Jaw]

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[Fignuts]

Look at the big picture here.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS A THOUSAND TIMES THIS

Ever since I started posting in here again I have noticed that almost every poster wants guys to be pushed to the fucking moon immediately, and any pause or delay in that push means they are getting "buried".

Honestly, I miss the days when having 3 championship reigns was an accomplishment, instead of like 7 in a year.

[Providence Peep]

Anyone know when Sting is coming in? :lol::shifty::-\

[jkman61494]

The other thing I hated was HHH's delivery. After being away for almost a year, I was ready for this passionate speech and what I felt we got was some going through the motions crud.

To me, what I heard was "I'm glad to be back, blah blah blah...We all know I'm going to lose to Taker, but I'll make it sound good....blah blah blah blah, if I lose I'll die trying."

[Lock Jaw]

He didn't say the locker room sucked ffs.

He said he had beaten everyone already.

He didn't say that. He said, And I Quote: "there are no real challenges in the back"

Meaning that the guys in the back aren't even a challenge.

If he put it in the "I've beaten everyone" way, people wouldn't be making a big deal of it.

[Lara Emily]

He didn't say that. He said, And I Quote: "there are no real challenges in the back"

Meaning that the guys in the back aren't even a challenge.

If he put it in the "I've beaten everyone" way, people wouldn't be making a big deal of it.

And then he "proved it" by absolutely destroying Shamus

[Lock Jaw]

In the long run, it is not like fans who aren't on the internet are going to remember the one line and never buy into anyone else ever again. Yeah, Sheamus was buried, and it is a sheam, but the damage can be reversed quite easily. We just like to gripe about it happening needlessly in the first place.

[XCaliber]

On that topic I found it strange that he never acknowledged their previous encounter at WM17 and how close he was to defeating him then.

[jkman61494]

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS A THOUSAND TIMES THIS

Ever since I started posting in here again I have noticed that almost every poster wants guys to be pushed to the fucking moon immediately, and any pause or delay in that push means they are getting "buried".

Honestly, I miss the days when having 3 championship reigns was an accomplishment, instead of like 7 in a year.


I don't think we need people pushed to the moon. What I want is a return on my investment of getting into guys whom the WWE deemed appropriate of getting pushes for the past two years. I don't need these guys to be given title shots. But to book these guys so horribly after taking so much time to make us believe they're credible stars, really kills a lot of interest for me.

[McLegend]

HHH did bury the roster there, but he's probably not wrong though.

I don't really care about the burying of Sheamus, because I would rather see Undertaker/HHH anyway.

[Lock Jaw]

http://c0013664.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_4d06dbd

[Fignuts]

Like I said, when he says challenges, I take it as things he hasn't accomplished. People he hasn't beat. Has nothing to do with how strong the people in the back are.

He has beaten everyone in the back. The streak is the only challenge he has yet to overcome.

Seriously, how am I the only person seeing this?

[McLegend]

He basically said he was above everyone else. C'mon

[Lara Emily]

In the long run, it is not like fans who aren't on the internet are going to remember the one line and never buy into anyone else ever again. Yeah, Sheamus was buried, and it is a sheam, but the damage can be reversed quite easily. We just like to gripe about it happening needlessly in the first place.

Well i'm reacting as I go. Just because it probably will get better eventually dfoesn't mean I'm j just gonna sit and ignore how bad it's going right now. It was just a really over the top bad show, like worst I've seen in years

[James Steele]

So they did some sort of 'inside joke' by having a 10man tag match wearing Lakers & Nuggets jerseys.

No. It was all over ESPN and shit all week. Vince McMahon was on TV overdrive that week. He was in the right, since obviously Denver's owner didn't believe his team would make the playoffs but Vince went overly dickish on it and proved to everybody who wants to hate him why they hate him.

[jkman61494]

Fig, to me it's not what he said. It's all about the booking to me. I agree with what your're saying. To me, it's the fact they were needlessly burying stars all over the place.

Could they not have given HHH/Sheamus a go away match to main event a Raw?

Could they not have someone like Santino, or DH Smith, or any other jobber come out for a match and get destroyed by Miz, not the current US Champion?

Stuff like that

[Juan]

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[Lock Jaw]

Well i'm reacting as I go. Just because it probably will get better eventually dfoesn't mean I'm j just gonna sit and ignore how bad it's going right now. It was just a really over the top bad show, like worst I've seen in years

As a diplomat, I try to strike a balance between IWC fans who "live in the moment" and IWC fans who "look towards a better and brighter future...... hopefully".

[Lara Emily]

HHH did bury the roster there, but he's probably not wrong though.

I don't really care about the burying of Sheamus, because I would rather see Undertaker/HHH anyway.

You can have UT/HHH without burying Shamus.

[Fignuts]

He basically said he was above everyone else. C'mon

He IS above everyone else. Read what I said earlier. Most fans (not IWC fans) view HHH and Taker on a higher level. And they are facing off in the marquee match of this year's wrestlemania. It is THE match of wrestlemania. Of fucking course they are going to bill triple h and taker as being a bigger deal than everyone else. It's common sense.

And it doesn't make Cena or Orton or anyone look any weaker, because like I said, the fans already have it in their head that HHH and Taker are the best.

[thedamndest]

Honestly they should bury Sheamus because Sheamus isn't that good.

[Lara Emily]

As a diplomat, I try to strike a balance between IWC fans who "live in the moment" and IWC fans who "look towards a better and brighter future...... hopefully".

Yeah but that's the big thing "hopefully" there's no guarantee they fix anything.

[McLegend]

He IS above everyone else. Read what I said earlier. Most fans (not IWC fans) view HHH and Taker on a higher level. And they are facing off in the marquee match of this year's wrestlemania. It is THE match of wrestlemania. Of fucking course they are going to bill triple h and taker as being a bigger deal than everyone else. It's common sense.

And it doesn't make Cena or Orton or anyone look any weaker, because like I said, the fans already have it in their head that HHH and Taker are the best.

He is better then everyone else. Everyone else all ready knows that. So why does he have to say that? It was some burying being done.

It's fine with me though.

[Fignuts]

Or these series of losses and embarrassments Sheamus has suffered can lead to him snapping, so to speak and going on a tear, giving him more depth than "rawr I'm a celtic warrior, fella!"

Frankly, I'm glad to see Sheamus put in this position and have to work back up. I never thought he deserved to be champion so quick anyway.

[jkman61494]

Honestly they should bury Sheamus because Sheamus isn't that good.

Oh really? He had a match of the year candidate with John Morrison, is a two time champion and come out on top in feuds with Orton, Cena and HHH. Like him or not, they managed to book him strongly as one of the top heels in the entire industry...And people bought into it too.

[thedamndest]

Fignuts and I are firing on all cylinders like Two Dudes with Attitudes.

[James Steele]

Like I said, when he says challenges, I take it as things he hasn't accomplished. People he hasn't beat. Has nothing to do with how strong the people in the back are.

He has beaten everyone in the back. The streak is the only challenge he has yet to overcome.

Seriously, how am I the only person seeing this?

He IS above everyone else. Read what I said earlier. Most fans (not IWC fans) view HHH and Taker on a higher level. And they are facing off in the marquee match of this year's wrestlemania. It is THE match of wrestlemania. Of fucking course they are going to bill triple h and taker as being a bigger deal than everyone else. It's common sense.

And it doesn't make Cena or Orton or anyone look any weaker, because like I said, the fans already have it in their head that HHH and Taker are the best.

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[thedamndest]

They've booked a lot of people strongly who are not that good.

[McLegend]

Sheamus has gone down fast and hard. Thedamndest must be pretty excited by this.

[jkman61494]

Ok, defend though the fact that your US Champion AND IC Champion have NO feuds right now... None. Daniel Bryan hasn't had ANY in what four months? Five months?

And the one match Bryan has had time to actually perform in perhaps the only time since he's been re-hired, went down the tubes when they had The Miz jump him and absolutely destroy him. You could have had 20 other WWE wrestlers be that guy, but they choose someone who's SUPPOSED to be one of the more upper echelon guys on the roster.

And I have no idea how you can say Sheamus isn't good. The guy was money with Morrison and from what I read, was maybe the best performer in the EC match two weeks ago.

[thedamndest]

Not as excited as when your mother goes down fast and hard.

[thedamndest]

Ok, defend though the fact that your US Champion AND IC Champion have NO feuds right now... None. Daniel Bryan hasn't had ANY in what four months? Five months?

And the one match Bryan has had time to actually perform in perhaps the only time since he's been re-hired, went down the tubes when they had The Miz jump him and absolutely destroy him. You could have had 20 other WWE wrestlers be that guy, but they choose someone who's SUPPOSED to be one of the more upper echelon guys on the roster.

And I have no idea how you can say Sheamus isn't good. The guy was money with Morrison and from what I read, was maybe the best performer in the EC match two weeks ago.

Why should I defend that? Nobody here is saying everything is fine. We're just saying that many of the specific things mentioned in this thread were ridiculous if not outright contradictory.

[Emperor Smeat]

I could still see Sheamus somehow get involved in the Taker-Triple H feud that could force Triple H into one last feud with Sheamus after Mania.

Triple H didn't specifically say he was retiring at Mania even though he promised someone would get "killed".

It would be tough to do since it would have to occur after Mania and WWE wouldn't want to have a Triple Threat for the streak nor affect it that makes it seem like Taker is getting help in softening Triple H.

[McLegend]

Not as excited as when your mother goes down fast and hard.

Easy on the burying there, HHH.

[Fignuts]

lol Sheamus was not the best performer in the EC.

And his MOTY candidate had a lot more to do with Morrisons's talent than his own.

I don't think Sheamus is a bad wrestler. I just think he belongs in the upper midcard at best.

[James Steele]

And the one match Bryan has had time to actually perform in perhaps the only time since he's been re-hired, went down the tubes when they had The Miz jump him and absolutely destroy him.

Come on now. He had MATCH OF THE YEAR vs Dolph Ziggler at a PPV and he has had several ppv matches.

[Fignuts]

Wasn't he in a tag match against the world champion two weeks ago? Didn't he win that?

[James Steele]

Wasn't he in a tag match against the world champion two weeks ago? Didn't he win that?

They didn't tap out and pay for his lunch, so it doesn't count.

[bigslimjj]

You know, at this point why even involve The Miz?

I mean I love The Rock... LOVE him. Yabba Dabba Bitch? Awesome! But why put The Miz in the middle of what could be a Main Event match at WrestleMania? It's a real waste.

You could have had a Miz/Morrison WrestleMania feud, and let two youngens get the rub with the WWE Title on the line. Rock promos aside, the booking here is just HORRID!

[Fignuts]

I'm pretty sure it's because Rock doesn't want to wrestle, not because they didn't think about it.

[bigslimjj]

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[Juan]

The Miz is getting the rub of his life right now. I don't see a problem with that

[Lui Kang]

To be perfectly honest, I don't think The Rock's promo was very good tonight. Granted - it wasn't "horrible"....but I got the impression that he was trying TOO hard to impress the crowd...and get the crowd to like him. Eventually - if The Rock gets the fans to chant "and millions" too many times, I think it could have an adverse effect. The Rock making constant references to the fans being "his backbone" is a little too obsequious.

Now - don't get me wrong.

1) I absolutely LOVED The Rock's promo from 2 weeks ago, and marked out big time.
2) I loved certain parts of The Rock's promo tonight (i.e. the Yabba dabba bitch line)

However - I just don't think this was The Rock's best outing..


While Cena's mic work towards The Miz/Riley wasn't that good tonight either, I WILL admit that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was AWESOME. Many people on here will have difficulty admitting it, but Cena completely owned The Rock last week.

[Shadrick]

Like I said, when he says challenges, I take it as things he hasn't accomplished. People he hasn't beat. Has nothing to do with how strong the people in the back are.

He has beaten everyone in the back. The streak is the only challenge he has yet to overcome.

Seriously, how am I the only person seeing this?

This is also what I took from it.

[Shadrick]

To be perfectly honest, I don't think The Rock's promo was very good tonight. Granted - it wasn't "horrible"....but I got the impression that he was trying TOO hard to impress the crowd...and get the crowd to like him. Eventually - if The Rock gets the fans to chant "and millions" too many times, I think it could have an adverse effect. The Rock making constant references to the fans being "his backbone" is a little too obsequious.

Now - don't get me wrong.

1) I absolutely LOVED The Rock's promo from 2 weeks ago, and marked out big time.
2) I loved certain parts of The Rock's promo tonight (i.e. the Yabba dabba bitch line)

However - I just don't think this was The Rock's best outing..


While Cena's mic work towards The Miz/Riley wasn't that good tonight either, I WILL admit that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was AWESOME. Many people on here will have difficulty admitting it, but Cena completely owned The Rock last week.

I'm not sure if I could disagree with you more.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've been loving the WWE recently. They are really getting me excited for WrestleMania. Totally did not see Swagger coming as Cole's coach. This is a huge heel boost for Swagger. I'm predicting Vickie Guerrero to be the Special Guest Referee, just to boost heat for everything.

I haven't seen the segment yet, but the Sheamus stuff accomplishes a few things: It addresses the past. Sheamus took out Triple H. He came back to gloat, but Triple H knew what was coming and showed the WWE Universe (I hate that term, but we're talking the story here) that he has become a different Game. No more getting beat-down by Sheamus, as talented as he is. Triple H showed he is intense, focused and ready to take on "The Last Outlaw."

From that, they got Evan Bourne over. He followed a Triple H segment, and beat a former two-time WWE Champion with his finishing move in less than a minute. That helps Bourne more than it hurts the beat-down Sheamus. The WWE is building their armory up heading into this year's Mania.

Also, and while this probably won't be mentioned, I find it interesting that both Sheamus and Daniel Bryan were beaten-down before their matches -- yet Sheamus was forced to wrestle his and Bryan wasn't. It's very little, but Sheamus has room to bitch about Bryan there, and further his tension with him.

This also works with my working theory that Stephanie McMahon will be revealed as the General Manager of RAW. I don't know when I came to this conclusion, but I don't think it would betray anything established in the story -- and would explain favouritism against Sheamus.

[Jura]

To be perfectly honest, I don't think The Rock's promo was very good tonight. Granted - it wasn't "horrible"....but I got the impression that he was trying TOO hard to impress the crowd...and get the crowd to like him. Eventually - if The Rock gets the fans to chant "and millions" too many times, I think it could have an adverse effect. The Rock making constant references to the fans being "his backbone" is a little too obsequious.

Now - don't get me wrong.

1) I absolutely LOVED The Rock's promo from 2 weeks ago, and marked out big time.
2) I loved certain parts of The Rock's promo tonight (i.e. the Yabba dabba bitch line)

However - I just don't think this was The Rock's best outing..


While Cena's mic work towards The Miz/Riley wasn't that good tonight either, I WILL admit that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was AWESOME. Many people on here will have difficulty admitting it, but Cena completely owned The Rock last week.

I wasn't paying much attention to Raw so I didn't really catch the promo but I will say your feelings probably stems mostly from the fact that he wasn't live and it doesn't give the same effect. It's like you have him live for the first time in a long time and he gives a great promo and the crowd is electrified then the next time you see him it's on a screen on your screen so you can watch while you watch.

[BizarroKing]

Apparently according to WWE.com we could have had a Daniel Bryan/William Regal match last night...dang it.

[Innovator]

Oh now they're just being mean.

[Lui Kang]

I wasn't paying much attention to Raw so I didn't really catch the promo but I will say your feelings probably stems mostly from the fact that he wasn't live and it doesn't give the same effect. It's like you have him live for the first time in a long time and he gives a great promo and the crowd is electrified then the next time you see him it's on a screen on your screen so you can watch while you watch.

Fair enough.

Still - I don't think The Rock really "killed it" with his promo last night. Maybe it's just me, but I thought he came across as a bit foolish. Like I said - the 'yabba dabba' line was pretty cool in my opinion, but I just didn't find The Rock's imitation of Cena to be all that hilarious.

That's why I was a bit surprised to read some of the comments in this thread about how awesome The Rock was.....and how he schooled Cena. I was also surprised at how not too many people have commented on the fact that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was very effective.

[James Steele]

The point of The Rock's promo wasn't to be funny. He did all that funny shit early to get it out of the way and to make this whole thing very personal and explain why he is pissed at John Cena talking trash about him while he was gone. I loved it and it really added to this feud.

[Mr. C]

Great to see Evan Bourne back and pleasing to see him get a win.

Randy Orton’s comments to CM Punk were heelish, and with Punk getting even for Orton costing him the title and Orton punting guys left and right, I’m starting to feel like Punk is the face and Orton is the heel in this feud. Anyway, Orton will take out all of Nexus so Punk has to go it alone, which I prefer. I’d love to see Chris Jericho host the Highlight Reel at WrestleMania with The Rock, only to reappear during Punk/Orton and try to cost Orton the match.

The Miz’s promo was decent. Cena’s “doctor’s note” was amusing (the prop itself), although the comments about Miz were stupid.

The Steel Cage Match was fine.

4/10. Worst part was The Rock, honestly.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah but that's the big thing "hopefully" there's no guarantee they fix anything.

Without that hope, I don't understand why somebody would be a fan.

[Lara Emily]

Without that hope, I don't understand why somebody would be a fan.

Cause there are other things I enjoy, Cm Punk, the Miz, Micheal Cole, Vicky Guerrero, Wade Barrett etc....

[James Steele]

Am I the only one who remembers when The Miz had that same kind of "Doctor's Note" excuse to get out of a match? It added to the humor somewhat.

[Lara Emily]

Am I the only one who remembers when The Miz had that same kind of "Doctor's Note" excuse to get out of a match? It added to the humor somewhat.

I didn't know that, the note concept is not a bad one it's execution was wretched.

[James Steele]

I didn't know that, the note concept is not a bad one it's execution was wretched.

He did it on the May 3, 2010 edition of RAW to get out of a "Beat The Clock Sprint" match with Batista. He was replaced by Daniel Bryan.

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[Lara Emily]

Heh cool. Kinda funny riff then but still Cena's execution of the concept was awful

[XCaliber]

I'd have to agree that The Rock's promo wasn't all that great for his standards he shoulda spent some time ripping Cena for the crappy movies he's made that would have been so much better.

[Innovator]

Heaven forbid Rock talks about his love for wrestling and not spewing out catchphrases.

[Jura]

I'd have to agree that The Rock's promo wasn't all that great for his standards he shoulda spent some time ripping Cena for the crappy movies he's made that would have been so much better.

But people will say The Rock has made crappy movies too and he already did this at the Hall of Fame.

[James Steele]

Heaven forbid Rock talks about his love for wrestling and not spewing out catchphrases.

Thank you. Surely, most of you realize that Rock's promo wasn't about being funny. He did his usual asshole stuff to bookmark the meat of the promo which is give his reasons and convictions for calling out Cena to even begin with. Really, it was an excellent promo and changed the whole dynamic of this thing from 2 huge stars talking shit to a more personal feud.

[Lara Emily]

Thank you. Surely, most of you realize that Rock's promo wasn't about being funny. He did his usual asshole stuff to bookmark the meat of the promo which is give his reasons and convictions for calling out Cena to even begin with. Really, it was an excellent promo and changed the whole dynamic of this thing from 2 huge stars talking shit to a more personal feud.

Precisely it was the perfect bland of Rock brand humour with an overall intense seriousness. This is something I wish Cena could do,Cena needs to be more serious,. Rock is proof you can be both a funny guy and be dead straight serious. It was one of the best promos I've seen in years,