TUF - Lesnar v JDS

[MoFo]

Starts nxt Wednesday, figured we need a thread yo.


- Spike TV has revealed the 14 welterweights that will fight on the Ultimate Fighter 13. The show debuts March 30 on Spike TV with heavyweight contenders Brock Lesnar and Junior Dos Santos as coaches.

Name: Nordin Asrih
Age: 32
Trains: Dusseldorf, Germany (Pride Gym)
MMA record: 16-5-1

Name: Shamar Bailey
Age: 28
Trains: Indianapolis, Ind. (Integrated Fighting Systems)
MMA record: 10-3

Name: Len Bentley
Age: 27
Trains: Olympia, Wash. (Victory Athletics)
MMA record: 9-4

Name: Michael Bowman
Age: 26
Trains: Liverpool, England (Wolfslair)
MMA record: 7-2

Name: Keon Caldwell
Age: 26
Trains: Moultrie, Ga. (Team Reality)
MMA record: 8-1

Name: Chris Cope
Age: 28
Trains: San Diego, Calif. (Arena MMA)
MMA record: 4-1

Name: Zachary Davis
Age: 26
Trains: Rockville, Md. (Evolve/Team Lloyd Irvin)
MMA record: 4-1

Name: Anthony Ferguson
Age: 26
Trains: Ventura, Calif. (Knuckleheadz Boxing)
MMA record: 10-2

Name: Clay Harvison
Age: 30
Trains: Marietta, Ga. (X3 Sports)
MMA record: 6-1

Name: Myles Jury
Age: 22
Trains: San Diego, Calif. (Victory)
MMA record: 9-0

Name: Ryan McGillivray
Age: 24
Trains: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (Legends Training Centre)
MMA record: 11-4-1

Name: Ramsey Nijem
Age: 22
Trains: Orem, Utah (River Academy/The Pit)
MMA record: 4-1

Name: Charlie Rader
Age: 29
Trains: New Orleans, La. (Power MMA)
MMA record: 16-5

Name: Javier Torres
Age: 25
Trains: Las Vegas, Nev. (Team Tompkins)
MMA record: 3-0

:)

[Savio]

TUF is on now and not @ 10 like usual :mad:

[Savio]

Dunno why Brock would pick the injured one.

[MoFo]

WAR MICHAEL BOWMAN

(the only english one)

[Stickman]

I tuned in late, but was it only 50 minutes?

[Next Big Thing]

FUCK. I missed it.

[MoFo]

well you didnt miss much, probably the most boring episode ever.

That fucking German guy should of tagged Brock in, he was fucking pants :lol:

JDS's first pick wasnt much cop either though, wrestlefucking him to a boring death. Sick of these lay & pray cunts.

[Crimson]

Ferguson from my hometown here in ventura..wow . Let's see how far he goes.

[Kris P Lettus]

Seems like every season there is some pussy that quits.. Unbelievable..

[Next Big Thing]

That dude pissed me off so fucking much. All he had to do was man up for six weeks and he could have changed his life and his daughters life forever.

Even if he didn't win he could have used the experience and exposure to make more on the amateur scene or at least turn it into a training job at a gym.

[The Mask]

another shite obligatory wolfslair fighter

[MoFo]

This season so far has to be one of the worst. The last one that aired here is the fight with Ramsey, so far it seems all the fighters are equally bad and the only way to end a fight is if the guy shits out and taps.

Id hate to be on Brock's team, he's so monotone and doesn't bring out any passion Id struggle to motivated to train, but then when his team loses he lets rip and I can see why his team get pissed off because he's not showing any of that passion leading up to the fight.

At the same time though Id hate to be on JDS's team, I could get past the language barrier but if Ima welterweight he's going to be teaching me fuck all about wrestling, Im not sure what hes teaching them, it seems to be his coaches that are doing his teaching, problem is one of his coaches is a complete cunt and Id hate to work with him.

I struggle to see how any of these will get a career in the UFC, whoever wins it will stay for a while but the rest I dont see lasting more than 2 fights.

On top of that theres zero chemistry between the coaches, they don't talk, dont trashtalk, theres nothing pulling me in to watch the show because the in-house action is awful and the fights are awful.

[Next Big Thing]

It's a bad combo because Brock isn't really the super asshole people want him to be unless he's provoked and JDS is too nice of a guy.

If it was Lesnar vs. Mir coaching I guarantee you Brock would be more into it and the sparks would be flying. The only unfortunate thing about that though would be the fact that we'd have to watch Lesnar v. Mir 3 at the end of it.

[CSL]

You don't enjoy seeing Frank Mir get beat up?

[Next Big Thing]

You don't enjoy seeing Frank Mir get beat up?

Damn. You got me there. Maybe they'll feed Mir to Brock if he loses to JDS just to cheer him up and let him leave on a high note instead of on two losses.

[The Naitch]

lol Lenny getting DENIED. He's all guaranteeing that he's the wild card pick and that he's the prettiest guy out there, then BAM! DENIED! Can't wait for next episode

Also Dos Santos is a bitch for sending the assistant coach home. Just seems like a whiney penis move to me. The asst. coach had a good enough excuse IMO

Also did anyone notice when Brock was in the corner saying "Take him down..." and then Dos Santos is in the other corner yelling "No..YOU take him down!"

It's like whoa calm down, guy, Brock was just giving instructions to his fighter. No need to spazz out bro. Dos Santos sounded like a huge whiney penis.

It's a bad combo because Brock isn't really the super asshole people want him to be unless he's provoked and JDS is too nice of a guy.

If it was Lesnar vs. Mir coaching I guarantee you Brock would be more into it and the sparks would be flying. The only unfortunate thing about that though would be the fact that we'd have to watch Lesnar v. Mir 3 at the end of it.

Yeah, I don't see why they didn't do Mir vs. Lesnar for TUF. I mean, they already have 1 win each. They need to have the rubber match. I'm guessing Mir is too scared to face Brock again. The circumstances couldn't be any more perfect.

It would've been the most explosive season ever in TUF history if they did it. Dos Santos vs. Lesnar just seems meh. Was kinda let down when they announced it.

[IC Champion]

Nobody wants Mir/Lesnar III, maybe Lesnar, thats about it.

[Reavant]

Lesnar would not have done the show if it was against mir... the whole reason he agreed to do it was to fight dos santos for the #1 contendership.

[IC Champion]

There you go, not even Lesnar wanted the fight again.

[Reavant]

I wouldn't say that.... I saw an interview where he said he wasn't going to do the show period. He needed to be convinced hard by dana. I'm assuming a third fight with mir that would do nothing for him wouldn't be what gets lesnar on board. A number one contender fight however is a different story.

[Kris P Lettus]

And with his last two fights, Lesnar def needs to prove his chin.. Dos Santos is an evenmore viscious striker than Carwin or Cain.. Sure Mir TKO'd Nog and Congo but he is not the threat on the feet that Dos Santos is.. Lesnar needs a legit win over someone with KO power to bring him back to promenance IMHO.. Mir is not that guy..

[Krimzon7]

I pray to God that Len gets in Brocks face and brock just shits a turd big enough to Kick his ass...it will be epic.

[IC Champion]

And with his last two fights, Lesnar def needs to prove his chin.. Dos Santos is an evenmore viscious striker than Carwin or Cain.. Sure Mir TKO'd Nog and Congo but he is not the threat on the feet that Dos Santos is.. Lesnar needs a legit win over someone with KO power to bring him back to promenance IMHO.. Mir is not that guy..

I'd say he's a better striker, but as far as hitting harder than either Carwin or Cain, I dunno about that.

[Kris P Lettus]

I def not say he hits harder than Carwin, but Dos Santos is a pure striker where as Cain and Carwin are wrestlers who can strike..

Dunno..

[Reavant]

hes a technical striker... the other two are power strikers

[The Mask]

i think cain puts combos together well.

[Reavant]

yes he does but he throws everything into all his punches compaired to dos santos strings a lot of puches together and can change levels with them.

[IC Champion]

Cain has improved alot on the feet over the last 2 years aswell, compared to his fight with Kongo when he more or less was a punching bag while the fight stayed standing.

[The Mask]

two torn retinas and retired :'( poor bastard

[Next Big Thing]

I hope Tony Ferguson got his brains beat out of his ears in this week's fights.

They definitely need to do something with the formatting of the show. The fights have been awesome, it's the other 50 minutes of the show that are tough to watch.

Mayhem/Bisping could be good, but only if Bisping commits himself to being an ass and Mayhem gets to play the anti-bully good guy role.

[The Mask]

yeah the show seems convulated pretty much. like last season (i think) roy nelson was nailed on to win. plus there is always some random dickhead for drama.

plus last week when your man was all "WHERES YOUR SON?!" and the other guy is all taking his shirt off and all HOLD ME BACK MOTHERFUCKERS i felt gay as fuck for watching it.

[Shaggy]

Im rewatching the show while they are doing the marathon and its on the episode where Zach had the surgery done because of the torn retinas...

Question:
If they are injured on this show and have to go to the hospital/emergency room and have something done do they pay for it or does the show?

[The Naitch]

lol @ Tony Ferguson: the Paul Daley of TUF

[Next Big Thing]

Im rewatching the show while they are doing the marathon and its on the episode where Zach had the surgery done because of the torn retinas...

Question:
If they are injured on this show and have to go to the hospital/emergency room and have something done do they pay for it or does the show?

The UFC covers the medical expenses for fighters injured during fights. In fact, right after the show finished filming they expanded it to insure all fighters under contract in the ring and out.

Tony Ferguson is a bitch. If he was half the man Paul Daley was he would have swung for the back of dude's head as he was walking away.

[Next Big Thing]

They really do need to switch it up. 14 dudes isolated in a house for six weeks doing nothing but training and drinking is lame as hell. At least let them go out and bring girls back to the house or something.

[The Mask]

lol @ Tony Ferguson: the Paul Daley of TUF
what

[Corndad]

I was disappointed in Chuck's performance in that fight against Cope. I had high hopes for that guy. He showed very little heart, what we all know he has after watching the fights he had while on show.

[Stickman]

I missed pretty much all of this season. How did Lesner and JDS get along and could they coach?

[Next Big Thing]

I think Cope is more talented than people give him credit for. His wooing probably makes it hard for people to take him seriously.

Sucks for Pettis.

[The Naitch]

I missed pretty much all of this season. How did Lesner and JDS get along and could they coach?

There was no heat at all between the two. They were nice and polite to eachother the entire time, which kinda made this season a little boring

Seeing as how this is Brock Lesnar, a former pro wrestling superstar, I was expecting some of that to play in, for the cameras atleast. You'd think they'd take advantage of that.

I would've loved to see Team Mir vs. Team Lesnar instead.

[The Naitch]

What are your guy's thoughts on the sincerity of Tony's apology?

[Krimzon7]

Meh, cats outta the bag now, he's a dick. Actions speak way louder than words I would've done something sincere if I fucked up like that

[Crimson]

They really do need to switch it up. 14 dudes isolated in a house for six weeks doing nothing but training and drinking is lame as hell. At least let them go out and bring girls back to the house or something.

TUF does Jersey Shore?

[The Mask]

i don't mind that tony guy. some silly dickhead goes around pouring water on his head and gets confronted, then grabs tony's head and doesn't let go when tony tells him to. top windup work by tony there.

[Shaggy]

I really liked the Guida/Pettis fight. Dont really know much about Pettis other than "The Kick" but his defensive ground game was insane.

[RP]

I cant stand Guida. If I never saw him fight again, I'd be ok with it. He did nothing but lay on Pettis. So what, he took him down a few times. Who cares. Pettis looked way better. So tired of Clay Guida.

[IC Champion]

I also hate Guida with a passion, and usually any fighter who is a "fan favorite" for the simple fact he would stand and have terrible brawls. I really hate Guida actually, have for like the last 2 years.

[Next Big Thing]

As purely a fan, I'd rather watch a terrible brawl than wrestlingsex for 3 rounds.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

As purely a fan, I'd rather watch a terrible brawl than wrestlingsex for 3 rounds.

I don't mind wrestling, as long as they're doing something. Trying to better your position, ground and pound, going for submissions, I'm fine with that. If you're just pinning the guy down because that's all you can do, and you're not even trying to do anything, that's annoying as hell, and the ref should stand them up.

[IC Champion]

I don't mind wrestling, as long as they're doing something. Trying to better your position, ground and pound, going for submissions, I'm fine with that. If you're just pinning the guy down because that's all you can do, and you're not even trying to do anything, that's annoying as hell, and the ref should stand them up.

This.

I could go a lifetime without watching another Leonard Garcia fight.

[IC Champion]

As purely a fan, I'd rather watch a terrible brawl than wrestlingsex for 3 rounds.

Which is exactly what Guida did in his last fight.

[The Naitch]

I always hope that Guida would somehow manage to mention my name in his thank you speeches

[Next Big Thing]

Which is exactly what Guida did in his last fight.

That's only one fight though. Guida consistently either finishes or goes home with fight of the night.

Jake Shields on Jon Fitch are the two most technically sound grapplers in MMA, but everyone bitches about any fight they're in being boring. Can't get it both ways.

[Reavant]

I cant stand Guida. If I never saw him fight again, I'd be ok with it. He did nothing but lay on Pettis. So what, he took him down a few times. Who cares. Pettis looked way better. So tired of Clay Guida.

pettis is a striker that landed NOTHING on him.... just because he was shifting his hip on bottom, and reversed ONE takedown (which he then got reversed) did not make him look better than guida

[Reavant]

I cant stand Guida. If I never saw him fight again, I'd be ok with it. He did nothing but lay on Pettis. So what, he took him down a few times. Who cares. Pettis looked way better. So tired of Clay Guida.

I also hate Guida with a passion, and usually any fighter who is a "fan favorite" for the simple fact he would stand and have terrible brawls. I really hate Guida actually, have for like the last 2 years.

He has had multiple 'Fights of the Year' awards so i dont understand the hate here

[IC Champion]

That's only one fight though. Guida consistently either finishes or goes home with fight of the night.

Jake Shields on Jon Fitch are the two most technically sound grapplers in MMA, but everyone bitches about any fight they're in being boring. Can't get it both ways.

Yes you can, because fights can be boring on the feet and on the ground. After one round of a sloppy brawl with no finish in sight it gets old and boring quick. Atleast it takes some semblence of skill to take someone down and keep them there, anyone can go in and just swing for the fences for 15 minutes, not saying that any particular does that, but it happens alot.

[Reavant]

you contradicted yourself from what you said earlier in this thread fyi

[IC Champion]

ok...

[IC Champion]

If you were referring to what I said about Guida, all he really did was lay on Pettis.

[Reavant]

and pettis couldnt get up soooo it took skill to keep him there

[Reavant]

and a lot of the time you get guys swinging for the fences not because thats their style or they are not that good of strikers, but rather many of them are not making a lot of money and dana talks to each fighter before a fight and dangles an average of 60-70K fighting bonus in front of their face before they step in the cage.

[BigDaddyCool]

mma is gay fags

[Reavant]

its sexual yet violent

[IC Champion]

and pettis couldnt get up soooo it took skill to keep him there

And I wasn't even hating on Guida for his gameplan, I just pointed out that was his stragedy in his most recent fight.

[Reavant]

ah

[Krimzon7]

* I thought about making some statement about IC playing DB with such a fluent backpedal, but I agree with the last statement. It takes skill to keep somebody with such an active guard on the ground. Guida didn't wanna be Bendo'd... He took the fight where he had the best chance to win. I didn't like it cause I'm a Pettis fan.

[The Naitch]

I heard they edited out a scene where GSP pussied out

[Krimzon7]

What areu taking about?