The Streak

[Jordan]

Let's get the TPWW consensus, are you ready for The Streak to end? Do you think it should be Triple H who kills The Undertaker once and for all? Does The Undertaker live on and continue in WWE, and for how long? Who should The Undertaker face next year if he wins?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He'll be 19-0 with 20 men defeated when you include the 2 against 1 match after WrestleMania. It would be a logical ending point if they focus on 20 men defeated if he is too injured to last another year.

If he can go another year he will be 20-0 after he finally gives Cena a WrestleMania match not for a championship.

[#1-norm-fan]

I always think of a good reply to your posts and then I see that picture of Sunny and forget it.

So... umm... yes, no, yes, a couple years, John Cena.

[Nicky Fives]

No, never [/thread]

[Grablot]

If anyone deserved to do it on all these years it would be HHH imo.

[#1-norm-fan]

HBK

[ace3025]

If anyone deserved to do it on all these years it would be HHH imo.



What?!? How you possibly feel that HHH is the one who deserves to do it? That's like saying Nash was the only person who could have benefited from beating goldberg!! HHH has accomplished so much that he doesn't need this. He is the most recognized heel in the WWE. Imo all heels need to be as ruthless as HHH in the attitude era..... but I digress..... the person to beat the undertaker needs to benefit from the win. The win needs to solidify said person as a main event individual. HHH is so far beyond this point.

[Jordan]

Triple H might have 10 more years of wrestling left in him though.

[Jordan]

Obviously not full time.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't buy into the "it needs to go to someone who can benefit from it" theory.

Sometimes the moment and going down in history means way more. It's like if someone else had slammed Andre the Giant. Hogan was already a mega-star. But that made that moment so much more iconic.

After the match the two had the year before, I think if HBK ends the streak last year and retires anyway, HBK-Taker automatically goes down as one of the greatest feuds of all time and HBK getting the win goes down as one of the greatest moments of all time. This generation's Hogan slamming Andre.

[Emperor Smeat]

Instead of Cena, I could see someone like The Miz being the last challenger for Undertaker and maybe beating him. Wade Barrett could have been a choice as opponent this year but the WWE dropped Undertaker getting revenge against Barrett when he lost in the Buried Alive match.

Vince is favoring Miz as his next big star and Orton benefited by going against the Undertaker at Mania as part of his big star rise.

[Thunder Savage Go]

i think the streak is just too good of a cash cow for the E.

[Asmo]

The Streak's become a Wrestlemania draw, much like MITB had. The last two years have almost cemented the thought that this match will probably be the WRESTLING match of the night, filled with good spots, and great moments. I don't see it ending this year.

Wouldn't know how much Taker has left in him, but i would love his last WM match to be a casket match. Nostalgia sake.

[Sixx]

Not enough threads about the streak.

Gimme more.

[Rammsteinmad]

I wanna see it end, but not by Triple H.

[Ytoojae]

19-0 = Triple H
20-0 = John Cena

Then I'd ideally like to see an angle where Undertaker is the broken down vet that he is (and will be at that time) but he refuses to die. He refuses to retire. We get a feud with whoever the WWE believes at the time is the best youngish (guy who has at least five to ten good years left) WRESTLER in the company - be it Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, John Morrison, etc, etc. for Wrestlemania.

Wrestlemania comes around and it's Undertaker Vs young technician. They wrestle as good a match as Taker can put on at that time and he has the young guy put away a number of times but he keeps kicking out and outwrestling Taker.

By the end of the match Taker is beaten and exhausted. They trade a number of near finishes before the young guy counters the tombstone piledriver and puts Taker into a new submission move that he hasn't used before. He has Taker in the hold for a good length of time, 45 seconds or more with Taker finally passing out in the hold and unable to react to the referee's count of three.

The young guy breaks the hold emotionally and physically exhausted. He knows what he has just done but he can't believe it. He doesn't know whether to celebrate or what to do. He looks as stunned as what the crowd is.

I'm sure that they'll want to give Taker a standing ovation, however it can wait for RAW the following night (if not at the Hall of Fame induction). The light goes out momentarily following the match and when the light comes back on Taker is nowhere to be seen - since we can't do a Obi Wan Kenobi type death scene it has to happen with the lights out. However, everyone else is almost as they were.

[Tom Guycott]

I know the idea is to go out on the bottom, and he'll likely job to someone... but I don't see it being Hunter. Hunter has nothing to gain, gives 'Taker another notch, and gives the young lion to finally beat him the impact and momentum to move ahead in the same way Undertaker got the rub going over Hogan for the next star to carry the company.

But selfishly, I don't want to see it happen, even know I know how markish it is.

It's like what HHH said, about how they both have done everything there is to do, and the only thing left is the streak. Yeah, he's certified for the HoF, but that's one thing that differentiates him from anyone else in it already. Realistically, the streak isn't that important, but I would like to see him retire with streak intact.

... and that's how I prove I don't belong anywhere near the business. ^_^

[Ytoojae]

I meant to add in my thing that it really HAS to be done right if they are going to end the streak.

It has to be the type of thing where a decade or more from that point fans talk about like "Were you there/Did you watch the night X ended Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak?" "OMG!! Yeah! Look at X now! He's one of the greatest ever! That match sure added to his legacy!" Rather than "Were you there/Did you watch the night X ended Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak?" "Yeah, but he lost it to the wrong person" or "Yeah, but it wasn't memorable" or "Yeah but X sucks now (or he's not even there anymore) and he's in TNA/UFC now!"

Therefore, even if it's John Cena, the guy that does break it if they go that route better have something special planned long term AFTER he breaks it, because just as much as it could add to someone's legacy it could turn out to be a decision that the company regrets for years. Imagine if they gave it to whoever they thought was hot shit at the time but a year or so later realized it wasn't the right guy and he ends up in TNA (like Ken Anderson, Jeff Hardy, etc.) or out of the industry (like Brock Lesnar, Bobby Lashley etc.). That's why I'm suggesting Ziggler, JoMo, Daniel Bryan, The Miz. All four guys are the future of the company and will all bleed WWE (perhaps save for Bryan). Perhaps CM Punk would be the right choice.

[The Gold Standard]

The streak is the most important thing in WWE.

[Swish]

I think the streak will end at mania.. Taker is retiring..

[XCaliber]

Like I've stated before he will go out with a perfect 20-0 record and I can't see anyone else other than Cena being a credible threat to it of not him then i'd have to say Orton.

[StevieA79]

Like I have stated before the streak should end but only in a career defining moment for a current top star such as The Miz, a heel Cena or Randy Orton. Or a returning star who needs to end the streak to catapult them to main event level (such as Brock Lesnar, Muhammed Hassan just two examples that come to mind). I always thought a returning Hassan would be a good angle but not sure he would ever be interested in another run in the WWE, with Brock Lesnar though I think it's a possiblity once he's had enough of UFC. In wrestling terms Brock is still young remember.

That's my personal opinion on it. Taker has offered the streak to Kane but like Kane I don't think that's a good idea it's come too late for Kane. That's the reason Kane wants it to go to one of the younger guys and in time I think it will, I can see Taker giving that gift to someone he hand picks but it must be career defining and it must be when Taker retires.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Muhammed Hassan breaking the streak??? MUHAMMED HASSAN BREAKING THE STREAK??

I fucking hate the internet.

The streak means more intact than if someone broke it. No one is worth it.

[StevieA79]

Muhammed Hassan breaking the streak??? MUHAMMED HASSAN BREAKING THE STREAK??

I fucking hate the internet.

The streak means more intact than if someone broke it. No one is worth it.

Why not? How old it Mark Copani what 27/28 he was only in his early to mid twenties when he was in the WWE.

You hate the internet because I have an original opinion on who should break the streak?

The streak needs to end one day. I agree that it's a big thing, a monumental thing and a career defining achievement but I still believe it should be given to the right person to make them legends in their own right. Taker has to give back at some point otherwise it's a wasted opportunity to make someone a star,

[Ytoojae]

If it wasn't for the London Bombings Muhammad Hassan would be a main eventer in the WWE at this point in time. I absolutely assure you of that. He was an amazing talent, could talk and had absolutely everything going for him save for a gimmick which at the time was almost doomed from the beginning through absolutely no fault of his own.

He should have been taken off of the air for several months and repackaged. Instead, they basically screw his entire career over. He is one of the most hardest done by wrestlers the industry has seen in many moons.

[StevieA79]

If it wasn't for the London Bombings Muhammad Hassan would be a main eventer in the WWE at this point in time. I absolutely assure you of that. He was an amazing talent, could talk and had absolutely everything going for him save for a gimmick which at the time was almost doomed from the beginning through absolutely no fault of his own.

He should have been taken off of the air for several months and repackaged. Instead, they basically screw his entire career over. He is one of the most hardest done by wrestlers the industry has seen in many moons.


100% agree for me he was very talented and was very young in his time in WWE which people forget easily. He could have gone on to be a main eventer and I truly believe he would have if like you said he was repackaged or at the very least they backed him against the media outcry. They could have easily took him off tv for a while and brought him back in a less controversial way, he could have maybe realized he went too far etc.

The beauty of the Hassan character was he was Arab-American or at least the character was but he was labelled a terrorist in the eyes of the fans. If you look back at his stint in WWE his arguements were actually very good, he was often in the right yet he was abused and hated by the fans. Of course they played on this because controversy makes cash as they say and WWE have a habit of going too far with these kind of angles for that reason.

I agree that they de-railed his career but as far as I know he is happy being a private fitness instructor and he writes/illustrates books too.

I was always a fan of his he really stood out as a future star to me.

My idea about Hassan taking the streak is to get the ultimate revenge on Taker for ending his career. It might seem far fetched and would take some build up but who better to take the streak from a phenom than..

A ghost from the past? How many wrestlers has Taker put on the shelf or retired afterall?

If not someone from the past then give it to a top star who deserves the honour. Wrestling is pre-determined they would be mad not to create a star from the streak.

[Droford]

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[Nightwing]

I dont know if it should end, but they should definitely build someone else up over the years to eventually pass Takers record.

[Lara Emily]

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WHoo I like when I don't have to be the first one to say something.

Barrett is the perfect guy, seriously you need to put a guy in there that looks like he could beat Taker, Barrett is the only guy (other than Orton/Cena) who looks like he could beat Taker (and by looks I mean physically looks)

[Kane Knight]

I dont know if it should end, but they should definitely build someone else up over the years to eventually pass Takers record.

WWE can't even book a year-long angle without panicking at the first sign of a problem. They suck at the long game.

As it is, I'm surprised they haven't dropped the Streak in a panic yet to some flash-in-the-pan.

[MoFo]

Cena next yr.

[Droford]

They should put Taker in a Triple Threat match where he wouldn't even have to be pinned to "lose" and end the streak. Put extra pressure on him and add some suspense to the match.

[Rammsteinmad]

They should put Taker in a Triple Threat match where he wouldn't even have to be pinned to "lose" and end the streak. Put extra pressure on him and add some suspense to the match.

Worst way to end the streak.

[Rammsteinmad]

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But this, I approve of.

[Loose Cannon]

Cena as a heel

[Kane Knight]

Worst way to end the streak.

While I wouldn't end "the streak" that way, it'd be a great way to build it up one year.

Of course, with Taker getting older, I don't think it'd work that well now, but....

[Onyx]

I'd almost (and I stress "almost") be tempted to accept HHH ending the streak if they brought in HBK (who will likely be there), Diesel/Nash (who, last I heard, won't be there because he is holding a WrestleMania party...am I correct on that?), X-Pac/1-2-3 Kid/Whatever the F they want to call him (who won't be there because he will be at Nash's party), and Hall (who won't be there because he will probably either be in a bar or in rehab that night). Have HHH unable to beat Taker so the other 4 members of the clique come out and cost Taker the match. And before someone complains about giving the rub to a bunch of washed up retired wrestlers, two of whom aren't even under contract with the WWE, 1) Bringing the clique back for revenge (Taker beat Nash at his last WrestleMania and beat HBK at his last WrestleMania and retired him), would be a huge moment - arguably bigger than an up and comer ending the streak and then possibly dropping the ball or having creative lose interest in him by SummerSlam and 2) Remember, I'm saying I would "almost" be tempted to accept this. Giving HHH the streak alone would suck. Giving the streak to the clique would be interesting, and let's face it, if the WWE ever brought the clique in it would have to be for something big. Regardless, this will never happen.

At this point, I think we'll be lucky to see Taker in a non-WrestleMania match ever again. He'll likely try to hang on for a few more Manias, but given his health and given how much the WWE markets the streak right now, they'll want to keep him wrestling as little as possible so they don't risk having him injured during next year's Mania, and possibly the following year.

Now, will the streak ever end? And if so, when? Here are some facts that, to the best of my knowledge, are accurate....

1) Taker's wrestling days are numbered.
2) It's a long running tradition for a wrestler to go out on his back (lose his final match).
3) Taker is all about respect and tradition. He is an old school guy, and will probably want to uphold this tradition and lose his final match.
4) Taker, at one point, wanted the streak to end (to Orton, I believe), but Orton refused out of respect. If Taker was encouraging the streak to end when he still had some years left, he'll likely want it to end when he is done.
5) Taker is one of the most (possibly the most) respected guys in the locker room by the performers, management, and even Vince himself. If it's his last match, he will get what he wants. He will get to choose whether or not the streak ends, and he will probably get to hand pick his opponent (Berrett better start sucking up to Taker now). Just like Flair got to choose HBK to be the one who beat him. It's a respect deal, and if anyone has earned this opportunity, it's Taker.
6) WWE loves numbers. Nice sexy round numbers. 10, 20, 50, 100, etc. Every time something they do hits one of these numbers, they talk about it to no end. So likely they will want Undertaker to be 20-0 at some point. 18-0, 19-0...these don't have as much appeal as 20-0. It is likely no one will ever repeat this streak, so if it ends they would probably like to have Taker hit 20 before it does.


Therefore, statistically, the streak may very well end, but it probably won't end until WrestleMania 29 (so he can be 20-1) or WrestleMania 30 (because that is a sexy round number), assuming Taker's body can hold out that long. So no, I don't think HHH will do it, and I don't think Cena will do it next year. So who will do it? Who knows? Any speculation now won't matter in two years. Between now and 2013 (which is a good year for Taker to retire, given the '13' in the year), Morrison may break his neck, Del Rio may quit and go back to Mexico, and Berrett may get fired for a wellness policy violation (these are all just random examples, I don't even know if Berrett does drugs). Between now and 2013, some new wrestler/superstar/whatever the WWE wants to call their performers in 2013 may burst on the scene, take the world by storm, and be the perfect guy to end Taker's reign.

The one thing that I know for sure, is that when the time comes for Taker to wrestle his last match, Taker will get to call the shots. The WWE owes him that.

[Ruien]

You hate the internet because I have an original opinion on who should break the streak?



Because you are the internet.

[J Dogg Funk]

Like it or not The Miz is the next huge Star on WWE. A Miz win over Undertaker at WM 28 (next year) will truly put him over the top.

I personally love watching the Miz and think he has really elevated his game to a new level heading into WM 27.

[seapig4]

Why are they not mentioning that triple h has already lost to taker at wm?

Anyway, at this point I don't think it should end.

[XCaliber]

Like it or not The Miz is the next huge Star on WWE. A Miz win over Undertaker at WM 28 (next year) will truly put him over the top.

I personally love watching the Miz and think he has really elevated his game to a new level heading into WM 27.

That is so not gonna happen as he doesn't have the resume at this point to book him to be a legitamite threat to end it but having him beat Cena at WM27 would be a nice start but that ain't gonna happen I'm afraid.

[ooTin]

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Barrett is a tool and an inadequate wrestler. He will not end the underTakers streak. PERIOD.

[Stickman]

Why are they not mentioning that triple h has already lost to taker at wm?



This, it's been bugging me throughout the whole feud.

[Tom Guycott]

Why are they not mentioning that triple h has already lost to taker at wm?

Like Jericho's title win, "it didn't happen". Admitting that it happened would weaken the credibility of the possibility of it happening. And we all know that WWE doesn't want HHH "looking weak"*. Psychologically, it's a bit of a different bear of back to back 'Taker vs Michaels.

Plus, it seems to fall under the 7 year rule, so theoretically, nobody remembers that except the internet.

*That was a swipe at the video game advertisement policy for their top stars. Bad joke, I know.

[Grablot]

Like Jericho's title win, "it didn't happen". Admitting that it happened would weaken the credibility of the possibility of it happening. And we all know that WWE doesn't want HHH "looking weak"*. Psychologically, it's a bit of a different bear of back to back 'Taker vs Michaels.

Plus, it seems to fall under the 7 year rule, so theoretically, nobody remembers that except the internet.

*That was a swipe at the video game advertisement policy for their top stars. Bad joke, I know.

That dont make no sense. Would it be better to say HHH lost to Taker before but he isnt gonna let himself do it again. All these years hes been thinking of how he can beat Taker at mania and get his revenge and now he thinks he has come up with a way to do it. It would be IMO better to mention it.

[#1-norm-fan]

That dont make no sense. Would it be better to say HHH lost to Taker before but he isnt gonna let himself do it again. All these years hes been thinking of how he can beat Taker at mania and get his revenge and now he thinks he has come up with a way to do it. It would be IMO better to mention it.

It would be better. I feel like the only reason they aren't doing it is because it really makes Triple H look inferior to showcase that at his prime and still now, he just can't beat Taker under pressure and then prove that fact right by having him lose.

Of course, this is assuming he's going to lose again. Which I will do. Because he is going to.

[Attitude99]

Will Not Happen you bitches

[James Steele]

I am almost positive we will get Cena/Undertaker next year (but we have all thought that for a few years now). WWE would be foolish not to get it in while Undertaker can still deliver a match that can live up to that kind of hype plus with it being for the unbelievable 20-0 record in a massive outdoor stadium...

[jskinnyg]

I am almost positive we will get Cena/Undertaker next year (but we have all thought that for a few years now). WWE would be foolish not to get it in while Undertaker can still deliver a match that can live up to that kind of hype plus with it being for the unbelievable 20-0 record in a massive outdoor stadium...

Yup... Hate it, but if Taker is healthy this time next year... That will be his retirement match Steel-O...

[Jordan]

I am starting to feel like Triple H would be better to end The Streak than Cena, and this being a huge Wrestlemania, one of the biggest ever I could easily accept this being the end of The Undertaker.

[James Steele]

If Triple H beats The Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII, then I will never mention Triple H again on TPWW except for one last Blowout Triple H Appreciation Thread.

[Grablot]

The only reason for HHH not to end the streak is because it would be cool for Taker to retire at Mania 30 but with Taker being mad old u never know when he will have to retire so u might as well do it now when u got someone like HHH to end it.

[DLVH84]

Triple H had his chance 10 years ago and he failed.

[James Steele]

Triple H had his chance 10 years ago and he failed.

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[Jordan]

The fact that Triple H lost the last round give cause he could win this time just as much as it does for The Undertaker.

[MoFo]

I would like Triple H to end it at Mania, if only for the huge shock.

Nobody expects it, and we need more moments like that in wrasslin'

[James Steele]

Y'all are scaring me now...I am dead serious. Triple H beats Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII and I will never mention him on TPWW again after a celebratory thread.

[Rock Bottom]

Don't think it'll end. Makes no sense to at this point. At best I see his last match being one after Wrestlemania on the following PPV where the guy who couldn't beat him at Mania goes over.

I don't think they can tarnish his streak with anything but a clean win either, so that puts out most heels. Very rarely do you see heels go clean.

[M-A-G]

The best time to end it would've been when Orton was up against him during his whole 'Legend Killer' bit but even then it would've only been cool if Undertaker was calling it quits. I think now it's just beyond the point where it can ended in a reasonable manner.

[seapig4]

If its Taker vs Cena next year, I hope they use the occasion to turn Cena heel

[DLVH84]

If its Taker vs Cena next year, I hope they use the occasion to turn Cena heel

That would definitely be the idea.

[Rock Bottom]

Don't think they need that moment to turn Cena heel. Keep him feuding with Rock and that will forcably happen. Be the same thing if Austin came back. Although I wish Rock would talk a little less. Guy can make the crowd go berserk with random gestures. Pretty sure people are going to cheer when rock bottom costs Cena his WM title shot.

[Jordan]

I think this match needs to be the main event btw... The Undertaker's legacy is very important and more than likely he will be regarded as the best ever, he's defiantly on track. I can't think of another wrestler has had as many important matches other than maybe Hulk Hogan.