Doctor Who Season 6 (May Contain Spoilers)

[El Fangel]

Mary Sue's ruin fiction, hasn't Twilight taught you anything.

[El Fangel]

Also isn't a Mary Sue someone who shares similar traits with the viewer/reader?

I'm fairly certain people who are bumbling idiots are more likely to watch Jersey Shore then Doctor Who.

[Kane Knight]

Also isn't a Mary Sue someone who shares similar traits with the viewer/reader?

I'm fairly certain people who are bumbling idiots are more likely to watch Jersey Shore then Doctor Who.

Mary Sues tend to be author inserts, actually.

[El Fangel]

Oh right, well I meant a character made that viewers can relate to.

there a term for that?

[Kane Knight]

Oh right, well I meant a character made th viewers can relate to.

there a term for that?

Probably.

I honestly don't know one. Except "idiot," because even if the fanbase isn't a bunch of morons, they will be reflected as such. That's how the networks tend to see viewers.

Anyway, people tend not to agree on what constitutes a Mary Sue, but she meets a lot of common criteria. I suppose the correct term is "Canon Sue," since she's an official character. Doesn't matter much. She was useful quite frequently because she would suddenly have amazing capacity as the story dictated. Also, several times it relied on the Doctor being a completely uncharacteristic moron.

[El Fangel]

Hours...just hours left.

[Kane Knight]

Hours...just hours left.

Eleven Hours?

[Next Big Thing]

Thing is, since the Brits are ahead of us time wise, you can usually download a quality Doctor Who torrent hours before the show airs on BBC America. Might do that.

[Next Big Thing]

I think it's funny that most of us here place Rose as one of the least favorite of the Doctor's companions and Martha as one of the favorites when the critics and fans consistently put Rose at the top of the list and Martha is merely an after thought, if she is mentioned at all.

[El Fangel]

But...but...Rose was an afterthought.

Even later when they gave her a big gun I still didn't like her.

[Kane Knight]

Thing is, since the Brits are ahead of us time wise, you can usually download a quality Doctor Who torrent hours before the show airs on BBC America. Might do that.

Since I don't have cable, it's torrents for me, period.

I think it's funny that most of us here place Rose as one of the least favorite of the Doctor's companions and Martha as one of the favorites when the critics and fans consistently put Rose at the top of the list and Martha is merely an after thought, if she is mentioned at all.

Considerinf only three steady companions in the RTD era, and an additional two (If you count Rory) from the Moffat era so far, there aren't lot of choices, really.

However, I'd note her popularity is persistent primarily with new Who fans, who may be biased towards her because she's the first companion. I got accustomed to her to the point I was sad to see her go. Until Martha came along, and I was like "Rose Who?"

And admittedly, one of the big things that draws me to Martha is her role as "Not Rose."

Though Donna is better.

Sarah Jane regularly wins popularity contests, which is probably also partially because of her lengthy tenure on the old series.

But...but...Rose was an afterthought.

Even later when they gave her a big gun I still didn't like her.

At the beginning of her return, she actually threatened to become interesting. That didn't last long, because Rose wouldn't be Rose if she didn't constantly whine. The world's ending, and she's all "But I was here first!"

[El Fangel]

I remember when I saw her and was like "Please die quickly"

[El Fangel]

Plus Roses mother was a barbie.

[Kane Knight]

Plus Roses mother was a cunt.

[XCaliber]

But...but...Rose was an afterthought.

Even later when they gave her a big gun I still didn't like her.

Me neither it was a poor attempt to make her more badass like Martha and they failed miserably although I still preferred her along with Tennant never really felt that much chemistry between her and Eccleston.

[Kane Knight]

Rose and Eccleston seemed more like a platonic relationship on the Doctor's end, but not on Rose's end.

[El Fangel]

Tennant is win.

Also watched HP4 last night with my wife and we marked out seeing him.

[XL]

Feel like FAngel is "trying too hard" here :-\.

Anywho, starts in 13 mins!

[XCaliber]

Feel like FAngel is "trying too hard" here :-\.

Anywho, starts in 13 mins!

Lucky it's another 6 hours for me I almost forgot it was on tonight until I saw an add for it while I was browsing YouTube heh I can't wait!

[The Destroyer]

Shit I'd better go watch it.

[El Fangel]

XL, I am incredibly picky about shows I watch. Finding one I enjoy this much makes me happy.

[XL]

I get it. We all get it. Now shuddupaboutit would ya? :p

[CSL]

This show is camper than a row of tents.

[CSL]

That redhead bird's alright though.

[The Destroyer]

That was pretty bloody awesome.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

The whole Rose/Martha/etc appearance was a bit of a nothing.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

Enjoyed the new episode, though.

[Next Big Thing]

Very enjoyable. I'm done doubting this season for now.

[XL]

Loved Alex Kingston in this episode.

[XCaliber]

Oh man that last episode was awesome but the next one appears that it will be the lowpoint of the entire season.

[The Destroyer]

Just because the Mark Gatiss episode was the crap one last series, doesn't mean it will be again this time.

[XCaliber]

Just because the Mark Gatiss episode was the crap one last series, doesn't mean it will be again this time.

Which one are you referring too?

[The Destroyer]

Victory of the Daleks.

[XCaliber]

Victory of the Daleks.

If that is the one with Winston Churchill then I actually really liked that one.

[The Destroyer]

Also, I don't see how you can't be looking forward to Night Terrors. The next time trailer looks really good.

[El Fangel]

I..I...Fuck...Ummm...Loss for words.

[Next Big Thing]

I think it would have been kind of cool if they kept Mel around for a couple of episodes and then had her get shot and regenerate into brainwashed River Song.

[El Fangel]

No comments on this weeks episode?

I enjoyed it, even though it was a bit strange. I think we can all relate to the kid, as there is always at least one thing in a small childs room that scares the shit out of him or her.

[El Fangel]

Also.

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/demotivational-posters-weeping-corgi.gif

[XL]

No comments on this weeks episode?

I enjoyed it, even though it was a bit strange. I think we can all relate to the kid, as there is always at least one thing in a small childs room that scares the shit out of him or her.
They didn't even mention the River issue, which I found odd. Decent enough "Monster of the Week" episode though.

[Next Big Thing]

I don't know. Just seemed like a shittier version of the Empty Child (great episode btw) meets Fear Her (horrible episode btw).

No more little kids with scary monsters in their closets/wardrobes (real or just in their head).

The end scene in the Tardis saved it for me a bit though. Children's nursery rhymes are creepy.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

For people who are confused over this episode not seeming to "sit right", this episode was swapped in the running order with The Curse of the Black Spot, so it was written and shot as a first half episode.

[XL]

Ah. Hence no mention of the River thing.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Also, I liked the episode, but then I tend to like Mark Gatiss' attempts to mentally scar Britain's youth. Among the RTD era, this episode would have looked great. I think it's a consequence of Moff raising the bar. Resolution was a bit iffy, mind. Seemed to be rushed to keep the episode 45 minutes long, which is a shame since the pacing at the start was excellent.

[XCaliber]

Turns out I missed an episode that being A Good Man Goes To War I was under the impression that the Almost People P2 was the last one of the first half of the series no wonder I was a little confused.

[El Fangel]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/19/129161887003456071.gif

[Next Big Thing]

Great episode last night.

[The Destroyer]

Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be quite as good as it was.

I have high hopes for next week though.

[El Fangel]

Agreed. Swerved me.

[El Fangel]

Next week looks amazing.

[Nowhere Man]

Finally caught up with Season 6. I honestly think this show gets better and better with each season.

[El Fangel]

It does. Are you completely caught up or just hit the start?

[Nowhere Man]

I'm at the mid-season break.

[The Destroyer]

Not really caught up then. Watch faster.

[XCaliber]

Last episode was greatbut the sudden change of heart near the end by the older Amy was a little hard to believeand the previous one that I had my doubts about ended up being slightly better than I had anticipated.

[El Fangel]

Xcaliber, I know people are warned when they come in here but could you put that in spoiler tags for NM who is only like 3 episodes behind.

[XCaliber]

That's fine but could someone tell my how to accomplish this?

[El Fangel]

[spoiler] [/spoiler ]

Type your spoiler inside that and get rid of the space in the tag.

[XCaliber]

Didn't realize it was that straight forward lol thanks.

[El Fangel]

No worries. I really liked the ending of that episode as I did not expect it at all.

[El Fangel]

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/d4b61f6f-1987-4556-a1bc-8926923ff006.jpg


From the last episode.

[PapaGeorgio]

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/d4b61f6f-1987-4556-a1bc-8926923ff006.jpg


From the last episode.

Exactly what I was thinking. I mean Rory did all that for her and oooooh she gets all bitchy. Though their love for each other did shine through this episode a lot. Rory is pimp, deserves way more respect from them.

[El Fangel]

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/demotivational-posters-doctor-who.jpg

[Next Big Thing]

Eh... I'd be a little pissed too after 36 years. At least Rory knows his wife will age well. Ha!

Can't believe there's only 3 episodes left!

[The Destroyer]

Gallifrey wasn't destroyed by the Daleks. Rubbish.

[El Fangel]

Eh... I'd be a little pissed too after 36 years. At least Rory knows his wife will age well. Ha!

Can't believe there's only 3 episodes left!

Going to go kill myself soon :(

[Next Big Thing]

If you haven't started watching Torchwood it should be enough to hold you over. It's based around Captain Jack and has a Martha Jones cameo in the second season. The first couple of seasons were good. The 3rd you'll either love or hate. The 4th was good as well although it does have an ending you'll either love or hate.

[El Fangel]

I watched the first episode.

No, it isn't.

[Gray]

Latest UK episode

NOOOOOOOOOOO COME BACK KAREN!

Next weeks UK spoiler

NOOOOO fuckoff James Corden

:'(

Okay episode this week, but the ending had been coming somewhat, but just doesn't feel like "the end" so to speak...

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

I wish Patrick Stewart had given Cordon a stone cold stunner. The bloke is an irritant.

[Londoner]

Enjoyed tonights episode, haven't really enjoyed the series much. Next week's looks good to.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Latest UK episode

NOOOOOOOOOOO COME BACK KAREN!

Next weeks UK spoiler

NOOOOO fuckoff James Corden

:'(

Okay episode this week, but the ending had been coming somewhat, but just doesn't feel like "the end" so to speak...

Next series spoiler:
She's already confirmed to be back by next year


As for next week's guest, the series 5 episode he appeared in was the only thing I ever really liked him in.

[The Destroyer]

Next week will be fine.

Can't go wrong with Cybermen

[El Fangel]

Cant watch this till Monday morning. :(

[Next Big Thing]

I enjoyed this episode.

Love how the save baby Melody theme seems to be an afterthought in these last few episodes. This season just seems really disjointed to me.

[Kane Knight]

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/demotivational-posters-doctor-who.jpg

Man, people are retarded.

[Kane Knight]

Next series spoiler:
She's already confirmed to be back by next year


As for next week's guest, the series 5 episode he appeared in was the only thing I ever really liked him in.

So did she die, or leave the TARDIS for the third time of the season?

[El Fangel]

Did you see the episode?

[Kane Knight]

No, because I don't have cable. We've been through this dance before, Fan Gerl.

[Next Big Thing]

Well no one is going to give you an answer with that kind of attitude and name calling... Kate Knight.

[XCaliber]

The God Complex was a rather good episode I but I can't help but wonder as to why they didn't show what it was behind the Doctor's hotel room door and I find Amy is starting to really grow on me as of late she may surpass Martha as my favorite companion afterall.

[El Fangel]

Wrap your heads around this one gents.

Who was the monster coming for? Amy or The Doctor. They both said "Praise Him" around the same time and were in the same room when the monster found them.

To be honest, what I am calling for what was in his room was Amy leaving/giving up faith in the Doctor.

It would save them both, since she left on her will but saved him as well without knowing it. Perhaps thats why he sent them home with a house and car.

[Kane Knight]

Well no one is going to give you an answer with that kind of attitude and name calling... Kate Knight.

Sure they are. Generally they're DYING to spoil shit for me. Even with this attitude.

Fan Gerl's just being a tard. He knows both that I don't have cable and that Comcast is particularly vicious about throttling in my area.

Or, if he's been paying attention at all in the last year, and repeated tellings of both....

[Next Big Thing]

I don't think his biggest fear was Amy leaving because companions leave him all the time. I think his biggest fear was his own mortality.

Remember when the Doctor was translating what the monster was saying at the end of the episode and assumed the monster was talking about itself when it was really referring to the Doctor. It seemed to leave him unsettled.

[Londoner]

What a let down of a cybermen episode.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

It was a bit naff, except for the last 2 mins.

Hopefully they will redeem themselves with the season finale.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Disappointing. Too much Doctor/Craig, not enough Cybermen threat, they've really gotten the shaft under Moff. :(

Looking forward to the return to Lake Silencio next week though, even though it's THE END. :'(

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110828174842/tardis/images/thumb/d/dd/Death_of_the_Doctor.jpg/830px-Death_of_the_Doctor.jpg

:shifty:

[Londoner]

Too much baby crying stuff/focus on the baby for my liking when it should've been more about the cybermen. Really pointless.

[The Destroyer]

It wasn't meant to be a Cybermen episode anyway, it was a Doctor and Craig episode. I found it quite enjoyable for what it was.

[Londoner]

Just cause that's what it was "meant to be" doesn't mean its entertaining. And if that's the case don't go hyping up the cybermen so much.

[The Destroyer]

Not my fault the trailer was misleading. :'(

[Londoner]

Didn't mean you. :cool: lol

[Next Big Thing]

I actually liked the episode. It was good light humor stuff that still played up the Doctor's pending "demise" with some good revelations in the end. First episode with a kid that was actually tolerable for me.

"He personally prefers to be called Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All... I speak baby."
"No, he's your dad you can't just call him Not Mom."
"Not Mom!?"
"Also Not Mom, that's me... and everybody is... peasants... Well that's just a little bit unfortunate."
HILARIOUS!

Still, I have to say that Moffatt may have blown his load a bit early. Most of the climactic events and revelations seem like they took place in the first six shows while this second half has been mostly filler with little 2 minute tidbits here and there. Even the baddies like the Weeping Angels and Cybermen were poorly used. What happened to finding baby Melody?

[XCaliber]

Thought the last episode was good but it felt like they were trying to do a character development episode with a higher budget than usual and i'd like to add that there was no mention that The Doctor's death was a fixed point in time I'm just sayin.

[El Fangel]

Not bad, but not epic good.

7/10

[Londoner]

I'd say 4/10 maybe lower. Like to save 7's or higher for actually good episodes, you see.;)

[El Fangel]

Lol, I didn't find it that bad. The Doctor talking to the baby was entertaining.

[XL]

Are we excited yet?

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

Well, Matt Smith is contracted for another season so he won't die.

[Next Big Thing]

I feel like the finale is either going to be so clever that people rate it a 9 or 10 or a dud. I think Moffatt put himself in a corner where there can really be no in between for this one.

Completely off topic but, Idris Elba as the Master for an episode or two would be eipic.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Well, Matt Smith is contracted for another season so he won't die.

Doesn't matter anyway, the Eleventh Doctor isn't dying, The Doctor is dying, because the Impossible Astronaut shot him during his regeneration cycle.

So if he doesn't get out of it somehow (lol) It's not just the end of Matt Smith, but The Doctor himself.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Are we excited yet?

I'm gonna be at New Filbo :mad:, having to tape it. At least I can watch it in HD since my satellite card can only seem to record BBC One HD without complaint, not show the channel live.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

A bit gutted that the Beeb are having to cut Confidential from BBC Three's budget. I loved watching Matt and co piss around for the camera. :'(

[Londoner]

God, what aren't BBC cutting? Shame shit like the Antiques Roadshow or Bargain Hunt still find a place on it.

[Kane Knight]

Are we excited yet?

Feel my nipples.

Well, Matt Smith is contracted for another season so he won't die.

You're the hundredth observer of that in this thread alone.

Doesn't matter anyway, the Eleventh Doctor isn't dying, The Doctor is dying, because the Impossible Astronaut shot him during his regeneration cycle.

So if he doesn't get out of it somehow (lol) It's not just the end of Matt Smith, but The Doctor himself.

Yeah, it's a pretty dead (no pun intended) giveaway that it's not going to happen. Though I'm pretty sure we were supposed to know this already, from the point it happens. I mean, everything is kind of carefully staged by the Doctor, and it's not just to go back in time and deal with the Silence.

Unfortunately, I haven't enjoyed the trip on this one. I've loved the individual stops, but the overall arc seems lame compared to series five. And 1-4. It beats the specials, though.

This is subject to change, since I haven't seen the whole arc, but this season seems better as a loose collection of episodes than an arc. I partially blame BBC for that. It's ironic, because it's more obviously an arc, too.

[The Destroyer]

Well, I liked it.

Although they kind of drew attention to the Tesselecta too much in the "Previously...", so it wasn't really much of a surprise that's how they cheated it.

Lovely bit with the Doctor finding out about the Brigadier's death as well. Even if most people watching it not familiar with the older stuff would be all "who?". :'(

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

Quite interesting. I wonder how it is going to continue. Of course, we have Xmas special to come.

[Kane Knight]

Lovely bit with the Doctor finding out about the Brigadier's death as well. Even if most people watching it not familiar with the older stuff would be all "who?". :'(

They have referenced him before. While he didn't appear onscreen in Nu Who, I'm betting a good chunk of people know who he is, simply because of that and Wikipedia.

[The Destroyer]

Well, true.

Also forgetting there was that appearance in the Sarah Jane Adventures.

[Londoner]

Disappointing ending to a disappointing series. And i'm normally positive about Dr Who!

[Next Big Thing]

Yeah. The ending was too convenient, although the build up during the episode was good.

[XCaliber]

Really liked this episode at first I thought it was brilliant how they made him find a loophole so he could more or less cheat death but now that I've had a chance to ponder on it I'm not sure that it actually entirely made sense. So anyways they brought up it was a fixed point in time so that totally nixed my own initial theory about merely rewriting history. He tried to do it for someone else before and time more or less corrected itself which almost inferred that time itself had awareness so how did he fool it by merely faking the events and it's after effects or is it just because he's a timelord and has some kind of immunity? :wtf:

[El Fangel]

I think it was a brilliant episode honestly and I did not expect the end at all as for my response to XCaliber above.

To everyone else in the world at 5:02 on the 22nd of April in Utah, The Doctor was shot and killed. The only people who know he wasn't is River Song, Amy and Rory and now the headless guy whose name I am struggling to remember.

[XCaliber]

I think it was a brilliant episode honestly and I did not expect the end at all as for my response to XCaliber above.

To everyone else in the world at 5:02 on the 22nd of April in Utah, The Doctor was shot and killed. The only people who know he wasn't is River Song, Amy and Rory and now the headless guy whose name I am struggling to remember.

I know that FA but it's inconsistent with a past instance the example I was referring to was the episode called Waters Of Mars btw all he did was prolong the inevitible and time corrected itself as if it new it was being cheated.

[Kane Knight]

I know that FA but it's inconsistent with a past instance the example I was referring to was the episode called Waters Of Mars btw all he did was prolong the inevitible and time corrected itself as if it new it was being cheated.

I didn't see the episode. Did the doppleganger die differently? If not, there's nothing to say he didn't die initially too.

Waters of Mars is a bad example because the woman killed herself to defy the Doctor when SHE felt time had been threatened. After all his talk about immutability, about fixed points in time and how she had to die, he saunters in, declares himself above it, and as Donna said, someone needed to stop him.

Did time correct itself? Maybe. There's no real indication. SHE preserved the timeline by dying, and even still, it was inexorably altered. We saw the Wiki page.

The Doctor's reaction to all this made little sense, and might imply something was afoot in the cosmic sense. But it seems not. And even facing the inevitability of his own death, he tries to cheat it (Ten, not Eleven), so lesson learned? Probably not. Big point? Doubt it.

Again, this is without the specifics. Maybe there is something explicit that states the Doctor has to die, but I doubt it. How would anyone account for that? History wouldn't know him from the Flesh, especially since he was so careful as to burn the body. No evidence.

Going further back, it's even debatable as to whether he altered events at the Library with River Song. Like the Impossible Astronaut, it seems an example of a stable time loop. The Doctor does it now because he did it before. Time repeats itself. Wibbly Wobbly...Stuff. This seems to be a very common theme in New Who. Another example, Blink, where Wibbly Wobbly comes from. Stable time loop.

And even in Father's Day, the Doctor explicitly says the Time Lords had way of dealing with these creatures, so if time is sentient, it didn't do a very good job of coping. Time was generally preserved by choice.

[Kane Knight]

Yegads, the Flesh would have made more sense.

[XCaliber]

Come to think of it did they ever reveal who's voice that it was supposed be in the Tardis near the end of the previous series or did I forget something?

[Kane Knight]

Come to think of it did they ever reveal who's voice that it was supposed be in the Tardis near the end of the previous series or did I forget something?

Nope.

Nor who hijacked it, if they weren't one and the same.

Nor the reason the TARDIS exploded.

It looks like they're serialising the entire 11th Doctor's run and playing the long game, but most of that seemed to be completely ignored for this part of the run. Annoying.

[Next Big Thing]

At least there's the exciting prospect of the Doctor's newest eye candy to look forward to... unless they cop out and have it be River, which wouldn't be the worst thing, but still...

[XCaliber]

At least there's the exciting prospect of the Doctor's newest eye candy to look forward to... unless they cop out and have it be River, which wouldn't be the worst thing, but still...

There were a couple from the past series that I would have liked to see be the new one including Lorna Bucket (Christine Chong) from A Good Man Goes to War but she was killed off unfortunately but that's not to say they couldn't recast as someone else like they did that with Freema Agyeman aka Martha Jones so there's a slim chance it may happen.

[Next Big Thing]

I forgot Karen Gillan was a recast as well.

I felt like they were setting up something with Rita in the God Complex but she got offed too.

[El Fangel]

Be honest, who sat down and awaited watching the latest episode this past saturday only to go.

"......oh fuck."

[Kane Knight]

I forgot Karen Gillan was a recast as well.

I did a double take when I rewatched that episode (Fires of Pompeii?) and saw her name in the credits.

[XCaliber]

Here's a 2 part short for those outside the UK or weren't aware of there existence they're good for a few laughs:

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[Kane Knight]

You mean the annual charity deal that will be a bonus on the DVDs and was covered ad nauseum this year by nerds due to lack of who content to discuss?

...I can see how people might have missed them.

[XCaliber]

You mean the annual charity deal that will be a bonus on the DVDs and was covered ad nauseum this year by nerds due to lack of who content to discuss?

...I can see how people might have missed them.

I just found out about it yesterday only cuz I was on wikipedia so yeah it's actually good for some things lol there is also a short that a bunch of school kids wrote that ain't half bad but it was obviously reworked by the editors.

[Kane Knight]

At least it isn't a monster designed by a school kid.

[XL]

TBF, I hadn't seen that Red Nose Day short.

[XL]

Kinda wanna go back and re-watch from the start of the relaunch as I know there are epsiodes I have missed. Any idea how I can do this without buying the DVDs?

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Kinda wanna go back and re-watch from the start of the relaunch as I know there are epsiodes I have missed. Any idea how I can do this without buying the DVDs?

I torrented them all.

[Next Big Thing]

You mean the annual charity deal that will be a bonus on the DVDs and was covered ad nauseum this year by nerds due to lack of who content to discuss?

...I can see how people might have missed them.

I didn't know about this either.

[XL]

I torrented them all.
Ugh. That would take me years on my connection. :(

[Kane Knight]

Ugh. That would take me years on my connection. :(

Netflix?