*Official WrestleMania XXVII Thread - The Biggest WrestleMania Ever*

[CSL]

IAmJericho Chris Jericho
HHHs entrance saw him come out behind a giant set of Snitsky teeth...
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[Supreme Olajuwon]

Sick scar, Hunter.

[BizarroKing]

So are we getting Sheamus/Bryan after this?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

HHH is looking a little tubby.

[Dorkchop]

The match was basically how you described it, Cole's offense was about 3 times longer than it should have been only because he doesn't know what he's doing/was all over the place and made 2 minutes of offense last a lot longer. They got there in the end like you said.

Ya... I just would have had Cole get the upper hang right away. I think the match was pretty much what everyone expected. I don't know where they go with Cole now.

Fuck it. Taker vs HHH is on. No more typing.

[Volare]

JR and King on commentary...THANK YOU JESUS CHRIST!!

[Juan]

hahahaha Daniel Boring didn't even make the main card. bahahahahahahaha!

You're not even trying anymore :n:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hate how unnatural the promoting of this match has been. "Planet sized main event here." Don't force it. Let it flow from two guys who know what the fuck they're doing.

[Gonzo]

Someone is going through Cole's little cubicle there.

[Gonzo]

Or maybe it happened, I'm watching on a stream.

[Pegasus Crawford]

lol Cole Mine broken apart

[RawRocks]

was wondering when the Spanish announce table would get destroyed.. check that... Cole Mine :D

[VSG]

lol so the Cole Mine is lower in hierarchy than the spanish announce table.

[Nicky Fives]

bye bye Cole Mine :(

[What Would Kevin Do?]

People can complain about indy matches all they want, but this match has some horrible pacing.

[CSL]

bet that fucking hurt, looked like he took a lot of impact on his wrist/forearm

[Gonzo]

The commentary feels so canned, like a video game hahaha.

[RawRocks]

holy shit

[eazey]

Does anyone have a working stream?

[CSL]

I lose a few seconds of my life every time Taker dives. Never need to see him do that again.

[Nicky Fives]

no way Undertaker needed to take that bump..... huge risk for literally nothing....

[TGR]

Undertaker has no luck with that jump. He looked like he landed on his head again, or at least aimed just slightly too far to the left for trips to break his fall effectively.

[MoFo]

Ima gonna shit my pants if HHH wins via KLIQ interference.

18-1 fuckin come on

[RawRocks]

there goes the Spanish announce table

[Juan]

Sick spinebuster

[VSG]

wtf at all the bumps. They are def going all out here.

[CSL]

People can complain about indy matches all they want, but this match has some horrible pacing.

They've only just started, this is probably going at least half an hour

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Seriously, what is with this match? It just seems to be a bunch of thrown together spots with no story or anything.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

They've only just started, this is probably going at least half an hour

That's part of the problem. The match just started, and it's coming off like the end of a hard fought match. When it's 3 minutes into the match and both guys are acting dead, it just seems really odd. Maybe I'm spoiled by the HBK/Taker matches, but those matches built to a climax. This sort of blew it's load early.

[VSG]

The story is resilience :shifty:

No matter what, the crowd is hot into this match.

[MoFo]

fuck storytelling

[TGR]

That's part of the problem. The match just started, and it's coming off like the end of a hard fought match. When it's 3 minutes into the match and both guys are acting dead, it just seems really odd. Maybe I'm spoiled by the HBK/Taker matches, but those matches built to a climax. This sort of blew it's load early.


Pretty much this. I caught myself thinking a second ago "Okay, this looks like it could lead to the fin--wait, the match has been going for like...five minutes, what the hell."

I dont know what they're planning, but to have these two look this beaten after just a few minutes is...not good for the pacing of this match..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's part of the problem. The match just started, and it's coming off like the end of a hard fought match. When it's 3 minutes into the match and both guys are acting dead, it just seems really odd. Maybe I'm spoiled by the HBK/Taker matches, but those matches built to a climax. This sort of blew it's load early.

Well they're definitely taking the all out brawl approach to this. The big spots could just be an excuse to slow things down for two guys who probably have questionable conditioning right now.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'm just saying. A lot of people here like to complain about spotfests, and that's what this match has been. This match needs some transitions.

[Juan]

fuck storytelling

Yeah I'm gonna have to agree here. I'm enjoying this match.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Well they're definitely taking the all out brawl approach to this. The big spots could just be an excuse to slow things down for two guys who probably have questionable conditioning right now.

Probably. Taker is still a bit injured, isn't he?

[CSL]

That's part of the problem. The match just started, and it's coming off like the end of a hard fought match. When it's 3 minutes into the match and both guys are acting dead, it just seems really odd. Maybe I'm spoiled by the HBK/Taker matches, but those matches built to a climax. This sort of blew it's load early.

Dunno, wouldn't surprise me if this is just one big load blow with a million finishes with them both being built as practically invincible in the build up. A standard, well paced match building to something almost wouldn't feel right, especially if they're both not gonna be around full time.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also HBK ruined false finishes for me forever. Like no question HHH is kicking out of all this stuff.

[Juan]

Well they're definitely taking the all out brawl approach to this. The big spots could just be an excuse to slow things down for two guys who probably have questionable conditioning right now.

True

[RVDmark]

Seriously, what is with this match? It just seems to be a bunch of thrown together spots with no story or anything.

The whole 'Mania feels like that. WHC first, 2 minute 8 man tag, 15 minutes of Cole looking hideous in the ring.

[Pegasus Crawford]

I smell a Pedigree to the steel chair~

...turns out to be a DDT

[Supreme Olajuwon]

OK yeah definitely with WWKD on this. Finishers are coming out like armdrags now. No build at all.

[CSL]

I'm just saying. A lot of people here like to complain about spotfests, and that's what this match has been. This match needs some transitions.

Yeah but there's a bit of a difference between Triple H and Taker doing it once in maybe the biggest match on the biggest wrestling show of the year and Jonny Kickpadz and Trent Kickmehard doing it every night of the week.

[TGR]

Also HBK ruined false finishes for me forever. Like no question HHH is kicking out of all this stuff.

This as well. It's become cliche for finishers to just become an excuse for a 2.9 count once Wrestlemania comes around.

[RawRocks]

RT @darrenrovell: Worst obstructed view of all time? http://twitpic.com/4gpru5

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol what was that head slap for?

[RVDmark]

Well they're definitely taking the all out brawl approach to this. The big spots could just be an excuse to slow things down for two guys who probably have questionable conditioning right now.

Either that or something else is planned for later, HBK/Klique?

[CSL]

I mean, I'm guessing Taker is going over but it's not very often you can say you have absolutely no idea what the finish will be

[VSG]

CSL spot on here, this match is exactly what the build called for- these two are "invincible" and in the end one will give out because of no choice.

[Lara Emily]

this is a brutal Mania

[CSL]

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg619/scaled.php?tn=0&server=619&filename=92haa.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

[TGR]

No contest.

I'm not going to put money on it, but I suspect this is where this is going.

[VSG]

Well I liked this Mania so far, and that's all that I care about.

[Lara Emily]

shit build for this match and the match is absolutely lackluster making it even worse to watch. i didn't give a shit going in and I give less of a shit now

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Maybe you should try pinning him, instead of hitting him with the chair repeatedly, then sitting down and yelling at him to stay down while he slowly starts moving.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Maybe you should try pinning him, instead of hitting him with the chair repeatedly, then sitting down and yelling at him to stay down while he slowly starts moving.

Hey, a chair shot to the head.

[Lara Emily]

ok that was a good spot

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Think Taker definitely only has one more Mania left in him, he'll probably lose to "close the book" officially.

Cena's the only person who can believably do it.</font>

[RawRocks]

You follow up the Undertaker getting carted off with a screaming hyena... good god

[What Would Kevin Do?]

What the fuck is this? Are you kidding me? Seriously. JOhn Cena has an all black choir, and DMX in his intro?

Really? Really?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nas and DMX on Wrestlemania in 2011

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Oh, and on a side note, Snookie does the handspring backflip better than Kelly Kelly. Just saying.

[RawRocks]

Best. John. Cena. Entrance. Ever.

[Nicky Fives]

Is that DMX voicing over Cena's entrance hyp video thingy?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

With all this build, Cena better be coming out in black face.

[Pegasus Crawford]

Is he using a choir so we'd feel bad for booing Cena or something?

[TGR]

holy christ make this stop.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Cena is, in fact, black.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm pretty sure that the all black choir is because of Atlanta and not because of Cena, but come on man.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: crowd is booing the whole pre-Cena choir stuff.

[RawRocks]

Red, White and Blue.. hmmm

I like it!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol all of that was to debut a new Cena shirt</font>

[FearedSanctity]

Boos seems pretty steady

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also did anyone else notice basketball jersey fan's Morrison jacket? Pretty sick.

This is like 4 straight WM's that those guys have been front row center. How is that even possible?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

NICE. Basketball jersey fan put on his Cavs jersey for the Miz match. This guy is my new hero.

[CSL]

Rock time

[Pegasus Crawford]

...you gotta be fucking kidding me... DOUBLE COUNTOUT!?

[Theo Dious]

FUCK. NO.

[RawRocks]

FUCK YES

[TGR]

FUCK YES

[Supreme Olajuwon]

OH MY FUCKING JESUS CHRIST MONKEY BALLS

[Supreme Olajuwon]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWESOME

[Pegasus Crawford]

Rock restarts match.... No DQ, No countout...

ROCK BOTTOM TO CENA, MIZ RETAINS

[Rock Bottom]

Well my tipsters sucked but I'm pretty sure I nailed that one.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

That was a brilliant ending!

[Emperor Smeat]

:D Rock

[Nicky Fives]

BAH-GAWD! BAH-GAWD! MIZ RETAINS!!!!!

Brahma Bull Strap Match between Rock & Cena at Extreme Rules?

[Rock Bottom]

I wanted to see exactly that. But man, he just buried both of them. Unless Rock is picking up the title or something, this is weird.

Not complaining. The rest of the show was so horrible. And quite frankly, Cena and Miz did not have that main event.

Worst Mania ever. Great finish, but damn.

[Dorkchop]

Oh god damn. I had a stream that worked almost perfectly until the double dq was announced. Then it froze until Miz got the pin. I had another stream that sucked, but at least I got a choppy version of the Rock. What a shitty shitty ending. Mania was still pretty enjoyable.

[Shadrick]

I'm still here live and my GOD the crowd was hot. Easily the best Mania ever.

And for those who don't listen to rap/hip hop, DMXs voiceover playing during Cenas video package was from an old album of his. Crowd popped INSANE when Rock dropped Cena. My whole section erupted in cheers.

[Corndad]

I'm not one to bitch that often but it's Mania.

First off.

Why the hell change the end of Lawler-Cole? What does Cole get by getting that decision reversed? Give Lawler the moment he earned. The hell.

I know some will disagree but I hated the end of that. It should have been left with Miz standing in the ring. Puts him over ever more as a Heel Champion. Unless the Rock is staying for a long period of time it was pointless.

Also pissed they took Sheamus/Bryan off basically due to the long boring Rock promo at the start. That could have been a great, a solid at the very least match.

[Shadrick]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Cole now, given the ending of Mania. Rock said he's staying for a while so it makes sense, I mean, Miz DID disrespect his family leading up to Mania...they still had the score to settle.

[Savio]

wow not even 10 pages

[Team Sheep]

Weird Mania. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it, but definitely had a strange, different feel to it. Quite a lot of talking, and the main event ending in a double countout to be restarted and then the result coming from interference was un-Wrestlemania like. Not a complaint, just wasn't your typical Wrestlemania. Still had it's great unique moments. The entrances were cool. Loved the endings to Punk/Orton and Triple H/Undertaker in particular, great work there. Overall I'd say it lived up to what I expected and was worth the purchase.

[Pegasus Crawford]

wow not even 10 pages
Server overloads galore!

[Mr. Pierre]

Amazing show! I loved it from the start.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Overall I thought this was a pretty lackluster Mania. However, I loved Taker/HHH and they totally made the right call by having Miz retain.

Rock/Cena at Summerslam should be the goods.</font>

[Mjdiesel]

That was the worst Mania ever.

Problems:

Not enough Rock. The "monologue" had no point, kept going on and on.

Scheduling problems. No Bryan/Sheamus?

"Finally the P has come back....." Pee Wee Herman plug. Don't fucking do that. That was crazy (and I'm a Pee Wee Herman fan).

Having Triple H own Taker and then Taker puts him to sleep. That was forced.

World Championship match first? WTF????

Very disjointed mania and not enough Rock, who you know WAS THE HOST!

[Savio]

HHH/Taker was too slow

[Mjdiesel]

That was the worst Mania ever.

Problems:

Not enough Rock. The "monologue" had no point, kept going on and on.

Scheduling problems. No Bryan/Sheamus?

"Finally the P has come back....." Pee Wee Herman plug. Don't fucking do that. That was crazy (and I'm a Pee Wee Herman fan).

Having Triple H own Taker and then Taker puts him to sleep. That was forced.

World Championship match first? WTF????

JR was LIFELESS. Had no interest being there and honestly seemed very preoccupied. He felt off tonight. Should have been able to call ALL of Wrestlemania.

Very disjointed mania and not enough Rock, who you know WAS THE HOST!

[Jordan]

I didn't LOVE the main event but it was acceptable, the rest of the show was pretty amazing... Triple H vs The Undertaker give Shawn a run for his money... Rhodes/Rey was great, Rio/Edge was awesome... love it

[Lara Emily]

I'm still here live and my GOD the crowd was hot. Easily the best Mania ever.

And for those who don't listen to rap/hip hop, DMXs voiceover playing during Cenas video package was from an old album of his. Crowd popped INSANE when Rock dropped Cena. My whole section erupted in cheers.

Are you fucking serious? This is right down at the bottom with 9,2 and 11 as one of the worst Manias ever

[Aguakate]

This was a good 'Mania, people...come on, now...

[BizarroKing]

I was disappointed with Mania

Positives:
-Punk/Orton was decent
-Rey/Cody was good
-HHH/Taker was phenominal
-WHC was a nice...opener?
-JR!
-MIZ WON!
-Rock did a good job as host
-My stream died when Snooki's match was on so I missed it :P

Negatives:
-While at times he did good, Rock felt...lacking...
-WHC opened the show...
-8 man tag lasted 2 minutes?
-Cena/Miz was OK but teasing the Double Countout win was dumb
-The celebrity cameos seemed pointless
-Not necessarily that bad, but the Taker ending was kind of confusing.
-Snooki...just Snooki.
-Daniel Bryan/Sheamus, the US title match mind you, gets demoted to a dark match!!!! FUCK!
-Said dark match ended up as a battle royal...weak.
-Cole didn't get a big enough ass kicking
-Cole got ZERO stunners! I was expecting at least one!
-Cole WON! (granted a reversed DQ win but still...)

All in all... :(

[dronepool]

6/10

:-\

[Lock Jaw]

That HHH/Taker match was pretty terrible. Did not "have" me until pretty much the end of the match with HHH doing the tombstone.

Match of the night was by far Cody Rhodes/Rey Mysterio. Cody Rhodes put in the performance of the night in m opinion... which is astounding.

Edge/Del Rio was a good match too, but I give Cody/Rey the honors over it.

[Razzamajazz]

why were they censoring the "bad words" austin was saying during the cole/lawler match?????

[Razzamajazz]

if there's one thing I remember about tonight, it's WRITTEN IN THE STARS A MILLION MILES AWAY

[Lara Emily]

This was a good 'Mania, people...come on, now...

No it really wasn't. Not a single classic match or even really memorable match. MOTN was fucking Cody Rhodes vs Rey Jr.

HHH vs Taker was alright, it was solid but with the build up to it being OMG it's HHH/Taker and that's it, it needed to be better then solid it needed to be a classic and it wasn't, not even close. It was a slow paced match with no rhythm or flow to it, both guys looked really old out there and were working at at most 50% speed. It was spot... rest rest spot....rest spot. I mean HHH shoulderblocks Taker in the corner and then collapses and rests for 45 seconds, the whole thing went on way too long, some of the spots were good: the spine buster through the table, the HHH tombstone but the finish was weak and the post match assuming that wasn't really was drawn out and awkward.

Edge vs del Rio deserved better then curtain jerking and was a pretty good little match (in fact I was actually praising Mania after this match and Rey/Cody) but The Corre match was an albatross, Cm Punk vs Orton was alright (Punk did the best he could with the Scott Summers of WWE), Morrison and Ziggler deserved better than being in the pee beak match. The mainevent was given no time, Cena's entrance was borderline cultural appropriation, the double countout reversal finish was the worst way to get The Rock involved, the only thing they got right was Miz winning but then they just discarded him, in lieu of The Rock (which granted they had to do but should have had Miz get a bit of celebration time in) Finally Lawler/Cole was the most disappointing thing on the card and that's unacceptable, it had the best build and should have been the easiest thing to book, King kicks the crap out of Cole Piledriver 1,2,3 or repeated fistdrops if Cole can't handle the piledriver, instead it went on for 15 minutes, Cole was in control for way more of the match then needed. Booker T getting in the ring post match was dumb and the super delayed reversing of the match was awful.


All in all not a good Mania at all.

[DaVe]

wow not even 10 pages

tpww being on a shite server, and being inaccessible for the most of the night might have something to do with it.

[VSG]

I should have listened to Tazz Dan, most of TPWW is pessismistic :n:

Realtime results for WM 27 on the internet indicate that the general majority of the people who watched it LIKED IT. Who woulda thunk??

[Jordan]

Are you fucking serious? This is right down at the bottom with 9,2 and 11 as one of the worst Manias ever

No way, it was really fun.

[DaVe]

big lols at all the 'worst mania ever'

[Lara Emily]

It's completely forgettable, it's one of the worst in while at least, possibly since 11

[Jura]

All Taker has to do is beat Waltman and Hall at another Wrestlemania and he will have defeated the Kliq.

[Lara Emily]

he needs to beat Aldo Montoya too

[VSG]

If you detest it so much, then how is it forgettable? You will surely remember it, if only for the wrong reasons in your case anyway

You either liked it or you didn't, I don't feel there is any point discussing this anymore.

[Emperor Smeat]

Pretty average Wrestlemania that felt more like an extra long RAW episode or regular ppv instead of being the main ppv for the year but mostly due to pacing problems similar to last year's Mania.

Not counting the IC title match not being televised, the 8-man tag match shouldn't have ended up as the shortest match of the night and felt like a throw-away match.

I did like the title matches, the ending to Mania, and most of Lawler vs Cole. The ending to Taker-HHH was also good considering the transition of Taker barely avoiding a loss with HBK to tonight barely able to move after his brutal fight with Triple H.

[Mjdiesel]

That was the worst Mania ever.

Problems:

Not enough Rock. The "monologue" had no point, kept going on and on.

Scheduling problems. No Bryan/Sheamus?

"Finally the P has come back....." Pee Wee Herman plug. Don't fucking do that. That was crazy (and I'm a Pee Wee Herman fan).

Having Triple H own Taker and then Taker puts him to sleep. That was forced.

World Championship match first? WTF????

JR was LIFELESS. Had no interest being there and honestly seemed very preoccupied. He felt off tonight. Should have been able to call ALL of Wrestlemania.

Very disjointed mania and not enough Rock, who you know WAS THE HOST!

wow not even 10 pages

tpww being on a shite server, and being inaccessible for the most of the night might have something to do with it.


Think they need to get it together.

Just sayin'

[James Steele]

Lara...you are starting to become a caricature of yourself.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Quite disappointed with the midcard, to be honest, but the start and finish were fun as hell to be a part of. Had no real quarrels with Cole v Lawler, but I was too far away to see any botches Cole may have made, didn't seem too long; and the reversed finish was just so dumb I found it funny. No way Cole should have "won".

[Mjdiesel]

I should have listened to Tazz Dan, most of TPWW is pessismistic :n:

Realtime results for WM 27 on the internet indicate that the general majority of the people who watched it LIKED IT. Who woulda thunk??

Tazz? You mean the asshole?

[VSG]

I think your taker sign made it to TV, but it could well have been a dozen other people. Take a look when you can.

[Mjdiesel]

Lara...you are starting to become a caricature of yourself.

How so? She's right.

Only a moderator would flame someone for disagreeing with them. :|

[Aguakate]

Undertaker vs Triple H was GOOD, not "alright"...

...the whole show was good...even Snookie impressed me.

[VSG]

About the reversed finish, and relating to The Rock ignoring the GM in the end: I think they are going to reveal the GM pretty soon. Hence the increased "heelish" activity and interaction.

[BigCrippyZ]

I'm one of the most critical of the writing and production around here, but overall I'm glad I went ahead and paid for this Mania. Was it perfect or as good/better than other past Mania's? No, but I really didn't expect it to be. I honestly expected to be disappointed and get a worse Mania than what we got. Sure there were flaws, no doubt, but I enjoyed it overall.

The thing that made me want to buy it was not just the card or any quality matches by themselves, but the writing and the build up to the matches on the card. I loved the writing, promos and build up to Lawler vs Cole, Cena vs Miz and Taker vs HHH. The other matches on the card like Edge vs Del Rio, the mixed tag, and Orton vs Punk I wasn't necessarily looking forward to from a writing/build up perspective, but from a quality/entertaining match perspective.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Snooki is the anti-christ.

[Aguakate]

...a couple people on YouTube have uploaded their "WrestleMania 27 reviews" and they are giving it 6/10, and some have even referred to it as "pretty mediocre"...

...fuckin' people.

[Corndad]

I'm not one to bitch that often but it's Mania.

First off.

Why the hell change the end of Lawler-Cole? What does Cole get by getting that decision reversed? Give Lawler the moment he earned. The hell.

I know some will disagree but I hated the end of that. It should have been left with Miz standing in the ring. Puts him over ever more as a Heel Champion. Unless the Rock is staying for a long period of time it was pointless.

Also pissed they took Sheamus/Bryan off basically due to the long boring Rock promo at the start. That could have been a great, a solid at the very least match.

[Lara Emily]

How am I caricature, I layed out what I liked and what I didn't. The fact is for a WrestleMania, for the so called show case of the immortals, for the Granddaddy of them all, it blew.

It started off great Edge/ADR and Rey/Cody were great matches, it just dropped off a mountain after that with the exception of Punk/Orton being decent and HHH/Taker having some solid moments spread out over 30 mins of rest and spot fest but all in all nothing was a classic and it didn't have a single honest to god Wrestlemania moment

[Corndad]

I also forgot to add I loved the Miz video intro they did right before the Main Event.

[LuigiD]

ugh..I don't know I feel about this Mania. Hit or Miss.
Some good decisions and some bad ones. Weird pacing. Some stuff was not necessary like making the 8 man tag so fucking short. Def. liked the ending. Pissed that Del Rio did not win because I am a fucking mark.

[BigCrippyZ]

...the whole show was good...even Snookie impressed me.

Snooki is the anti-christ.

Anyone that says they expected Snooki to even perform half as well as she did, even given the little she was involved in the match, is completely full of shit. I was actually impressed with her and really expected much worse from her.

[Aguakate]

Anyone that says they expected Snooki to even perform half as well as she did, even given the little she was involved in the match, is completely full of shit. I was actually impressed with her and really expected much worse from her.

She performed better tonight than what LayCool has the past year. If she ever sticks around as a Diva, I think she could actually do well.

[Mjdiesel]

Cody's look and tron are outstanding


Yes, Alex Wright's spare jacket, no knee pads and legs smoother than most 22 year old womens.

He's really getting over!

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Anyone that says they expected Snooki to even perform half as well as she did, even given the little she was involved in the match, is completely full of shit. I was actually impressed with her and really expected much worse from her.

I'll admit, she did better than I expected, but I kinda like wrestlers.

[BigCrippyZ]

Why the hell change the end of Lawler-Cole? What does Cole get by getting that decision reversed? Give Lawler the moment he earned. The hell.


Um, maybe to further the storyline with Cole, the RAW GM, etc. Hmm... maybe if you turn into RAW they might actually make something out of it. Jesus Christ. Fucking dumbass.

[Mjdiesel]

How am I caricature, I layed out what I liked and what I didn't. The fact is for a WrestleMania, for the so called show case of the immortals, for the Granddaddy of them all, it blew.

It started off great Edge/ADR and Rey/Cody were great matches, it just dropped off a mountain after that with the exception of Punk/Orton being decent and HHH/Taker having some solid moments spread out over 30 mins of rest and spot fest but all in all nothing was a classic it didn't have a single honest to go Wrestlemania moment

What do the writers of WM and the guy who said you were a cariacature have in common?

Easy. They're both pretentious and don't think outside the box.

[Lara Emily]

She performed better tonight than what LayCool has the past year. If she ever sticks around as a Diva, I think she could actually do well.

Oh come the fuck on she did what two moves, a ton of Divas do the handspring, it means shit, saying she's better then LayCool is preposterous

[Mr. Pierre]

I really don't see how this card could have delivered anymore than it did. Card order was perfect, each match was given time (except for an 8-man tag that no one cares about), and every match was enjoyable.

[GD]

Edge versus Alberto Del Rio or the Undertaker versus Triple H should have closed the show.

[Aguakate]

I really don't see how this card could have delivered anymore than it did. Card order was perfect, each match was given time (except for an 8-man tag that no one cares about), and every match was enjoyable.

Fans are never satisfied. Which is bullshit. I enjoyed WrestleMania. Fans are always going to bitch and moan about something.

They want John Cena to lose, yet when he does, they bitch about HOW he lost. They want Undertaker to win, yet they bitch about HOW he won.

It's stupid.

[Mr. Pierre]

Yeah, only thing I could see switching in the card order was Miz/Cena and Taker/HHH

[Swish]

WWE: Worst Wrestlemania Ever.

I'm sorry but it just felt like everything was all rushed, like it was written poorly.
There was a few decent spots but that's about it..

The Miz vs Cena match wasn't even entertaining, I almost fell asleep during Cena's long entrance. What was the point in making the final result a Double Count Out?. only to have The Rock come out and help Miz retain. I'd have left it at Double Count out.

HHH nailing Takers tombstone was epic. it should have ended with a 3 count.
Anyone notice fans standing up when he nailed it?.

All the hype for what sod all.

Rating out of 10: 2.0/10

[Aguakate]

WWE: Worst Wrestlemania Ever.

I'm sorry but it just felt like everything was all rushed, like it was written poorly.
There was a few decent spots but that's about it..

The Miz vs Cena match wasn't even entertaining, I almost fell asleep during Cena's long entrance. What was the point in making the final result a Double Count Out?. only to have The Rock come out and help Miz retain. I'd have left it at Double Count out.

HHH nailing Takers tombstone was epic. it should have ended with a 3 count.
Anyone notice fans standing up when he nailed it?.

All the hype for what sod all.

Rating out of 10: 2.0/10

LOL "Worst WrestleMania Ever"

Nigga, please...

...go watch WrestleMania 11 or something.

[Mjdiesel]

Gonna pull a total Seth82 here:

that opening was straight up Muta

gangster shit

Are you related to a Purity Hakeem by any chance?

[Rock Bottom]

I thought it was one of the worst ever too. A lot of that does have to do with pessimism though, I will relent that easily. Have a hard time getting behind some of these guys/stories, I'm stuck in the last two decades.

[bigslimjj]

My thoughts on the booking of this WM:

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[Lara Emily]

LOL "Worst WrestleMania Ever"

Nigga, please...

...go watch WrestleMania 11 or something.


Yeah it was bad but not the worst, it was better than at least 2,9 and 11, which isn't saying much mind you. But yeah it's not the worst ever that's just as idiotic as Shadrick saying it was the best ever

[BigCrippyZ]

What was the point in making the final result a Double Count Out?. only to have The Rock come out and help Miz retain. I'd have left it at Double Count out.

HHH nailing Takers tombstone was epic. it should have ended with a 3 count.
Anyone notice fans standing up when he nailed it?.


Jesus, do you people not understand the concept of advancing storylines? The Rock will be on RAW tomorrow and oh, gee, golly, I'm sure something will happen between Miz, Rock and Cena due to Rock costing Cena the title. For fucks sake!

Also, if you even remotely expected HHH to beat Taker at this point, you need to check into taking some special education classes first thing in the morning.

[Corndad]

Um, maybe to further the storyline with Cole, the RAW GM, etc. Hmm... maybe if you turn into RAW they might actually make something out of it. Jesus Christ. Fucking dumbass.

Why not give Lawler his moment though. I don't understand that. Cole can easily come back with something tomorrow night on Raw. Give the night to Lawler, who they built up as having his first Mania match in forever. To be honest. Someone who throws out immature name calling really isn't going to come with with a mature enough response anyways so you don't even have to respond.

I just think they built it up for Lawler to get his moment, why not give it to him

[Rock Bottom]

I dunno. Main reason I watched was Rock. Did exactly what I wanted, exactly what I thought, and still I just went, "man." Pretty shitty wrestlemania when you get your best scenario out of it and just shrug it off because of the rest of the show sucking so badly. These wrestlers must go through hell nowadays trying to get over/get anything going, it just seems so ridiculous and sloppy.

[BigCrippyZ]

Have a hard time getting behind some of these guys/stories, I'm stuck in the last two decades.

So am I man, and I'll freely admit that, but hell, I enjoyed this Mania a lot more than I thought I would, and I'm one of the most critical folks around here.

[Aguakate]

Why not give Lawler his moment though. I don't understand that. Cole can easily come back with something tomorrow night on Raw. Give the night to Lawler, who they built up as having his first Mania match in forever. To be honest. Someone who throws out immature name calling really isn't going to come with with a mature enough response anyways so you don't even have to respond.

I just think they built it up for Lawler to get his moment, why not give it to him

Crazy how, like, for the first time ever, Stone Cold Steve Austin was a part of WrestleMania and no one seems to give a damn.

[Corndad]

Jesus, do you people not understand the concept of advancing storylines? The Rock will be on RAW tomorrow and oh, gee, golly, I'm sure something will happen between Miz, Rock and Cena due to Rock costing Cena the title. For fucks sake!

Also, if you even remotely expected HHH to beat Taker at this point, you need to check into taking some special education classes first thing in the morning.

Problem with this statement. This was Mania, not some throw away middle of the Spring PPV. Mania was meant to end feuds. To be a culmination of feuds on one night. Mania is not meant to move along storylines, it is suppose to be THE place to end them with the following Raw to start the new feuds.

[Lara Emily]

Problem with this statement. This was Mania, not some throw away middle of the Spring PPV. Mania was meant to end feuds. To be a culmination of feuds on one night. Mania is not meant to move along storylines, it is suppose to be THE place to end them with the following Raw to start the new feuds.

THIS!

[Swish]

Jesus is a legend, do you people not understand the concept of advancing storylines? The Rock will be on RAW tomorrow and oh, gee, golly, I'm sure something will happen between Miz, Rock and Cena due to Rock costing Cena the title. I like cakes.!

Also, if you even remotely expected HHH to beat Taker at this point, you need to check into taking some special education classes first thing in the morning.

I can expect what I like. and yeah I was WANTING. You see Wanting and expecting are two totally different things. HHH to win. Did you wake up from the wrong side of your bed this morning?. Thinking your so hardcore by swearing. Show some respect and don't mock peoples opinions you twat.

[Aguakate]

Problem with this statement. This was Mania, not some throw away middle of the Spring PPV. Mania was meant to end feuds. To be a culmination of feuds on one night. Mania is not meant to move along storylines, it is suppose to be THE place to end them with the following Raw to start the new feuds.

Really? Since when? Just because YOU see WrestleMania as the place to "end feuds", or perhaps it was used as such before, doesn't mean it IS...

...otherwise, we would never have WrestleMania rematches and same guys wrestling each other at different WrestleManias.

[Swish]

Really? Since when? Just because YOU see WrestleMania as the place to "end feuds", or perhaps it was used as such before, doesn't mean it IS...

...otherwise, we would never have WrestleMania rematches and same guys wrestling each other at different WrestleManias.

It always has been the place to end feuds, and to create new one's.
It has been quoted on WWE a few times, back in the day.. If I can remember correctly.

[GD]

Does this mean that a Cena heel turn is finally coming up?

[BigCrippyZ]

Why not give Lawler his moment though. I don't understand that. Cole can easily come back with something tomorrow night on Raw. Give the night to Lawler, who they built up as having his first Mania match in forever. To be honest. Someone who throws out immature name calling really isn't going to come with with a mature enough response anyways so you don't even have to respond.

I just think they built it up for Lawler to get his moment, why not give it to him

I'm all for respecting the legends, but at the same time, the business is bigger than one person and their "moment". Lawler got the true victory anyway (Austin didn't really even do anything to Cole physically) when Cole tapped out, and finally got his well deserved Wrestlemania match/moment, which I was glad to see, even if it wasn't an "official" victory. I'm betting they're going to continue the Cole vs Lawler storyline and we may see Lawler get an official victory over Cole in the future.

By the way, I probably did cross the line with the name calling earlier and I'm big enough to admit that and apologize for it. I just felt like they gave Lawler a cool WM moment and a true victory and then went on to further the storyline with a reverse decision by the GM.

[Aguakate]

It always has been the place to end feuds, and to create new one's.
It has been quoted on WWE a few times, back in the day.. If I can remember correctly.

Yeah, WrestleMania 15 was the place to end Stone Cold's feud with The Rock...so was WrestleMania 17...

...Eeeh...WrestleMania 19, also.

WrestleMania 25 was where HBK's feud with Undertaker was going to END...as was WrestleMania 26.

Chris Jericho's problems with HBK were going to end at WrestleMania 19...except they wrestled another dozen times after that.

No one cares about that anymore, people.

[BigCrippyZ]

It always has been the place to end feuds, and to create new one's.
It has been quoted on WWE a few times, back in the day.. If I can remember correctly.

Yes, it was the place, back in the day. Fortunately times and things change.

[Mjdiesel]

Fans are never satisfied. Which is bullshit. I enjoyed WrestleMania. Fans are always going to bitch and moan about something.

They want John Cena to lose, yet when he does, they bitch about HOW he lost. They want Undertaker to win, yet they bitch about HOW he won.

It's stupid.

OK, JR had no passion or heart. He had no zest or energy being there and was not himself tonight.

"Do you smell the the P is cooking?" Are you fucking NUTS????

Cole winning over Lawler's first and likely only WM match? Nice job Vince. Way to say thank you to one of your longest tenured and most loyal employee.

I agree with your points, I'm just saying that was a terrible WM.

[Aguakate]

OK, JR had no passion or heart. He had no zest or energy being there and was not himself tonight.

"Do you smell the the P is cooking?" Are you fucking NUTS????

Cole winning over Lawler's first and likely only WM match? Nice job Vince. Way to say thank you to one of your longest tenured and most loyal employee.

I agree with your points, I'm just saying that was a terrible WM.

LOL JR had no passion or heart? No energy being there?

PUH-LEASE.

[BigCrippyZ]

Problem with this statement. This was Mania, not some throw away middle of the Spring PPV. Mania was meant to end feuds. To be a culmination of feuds on one night. Mania is not meant to move along storylines, it is suppose to be THE place to end them with the following Raw to start the new feuds.

I used to agree with this idea, but I just don't think this applies anymore, at least not all the time. The writing, timeline and structure of feuds doesn't always have to be so rigid, scientific and specific. That would make the product even more boring and predictable IMO.

[Lara Emily]

Yeah, WrestleMania 15 was the place to end Stone Cold's feud with The Rock...so was WrestleMania 17 and WrestleMania 19.

WrestleMania 25 was where HBK's feud with Undertaker was going to END...as was WrestleMania 26.

No one cares about that anymore, people.


Dude HBK/Taker feud #1 ended at Mania 25, they stopped feuding then rekindled it closing in on Mania 26.

The Rock had the rematch match after 15 and then turned face and didn't re-feud with Austin until 17 where he then got screwed the next night on Raw and left until summer and feuded mostly with Jericho and Booker T. Rock/Austin didn't feud again until 19 where Rock finally beat Austin and that was Austin's last match.


In all of those the big win happened at Mania, some of them had rematches that sealed the deal but the clear decisive victory in the feud happened at Mania, so bad examples for whatever point you are trying to make

[Mjdiesel]

LOL JR had no passion or heart? No energy being there?

PUH-LEASE.

You're playing that off because you think im disrespecting him.

I'm probably more of a JR mark than you'll ever be in your entire life.

And he was NOT himself tonight. it happens. JR should have done the whole card---not three matches.

He sounded quite stilted and preoccupied tonight.

[Aguakate]

Dude HBK/Taker feud #1 ended at Mania 25, they stopped feuding then rekindled it closing in on Mania 26.

The Rock had the rematch match after 15 and then turned face and didn't re-feud with Austin until 17 where he then got screwed the next night on Raw and left until summer and feuded mostly with Jericho and Booker T. Rock/Austin didn't feud again until 19 where Rock finally beat Austin and that was Austin's last match.


In all of those the big win happened at Mania, some of them had rematches that sealed the deal but the clear decisive victory in the feud happened at Mania, so bad examples for whatever point you are trying to make

So who's to say some of these feuds won't be "rekindled" and we'll see them either next year or down the road?

Stop bitching about every little thing and just enjoy...

...HHH vs Undertaker was worth it.

[Lara Emily]

what fucking point are you trying to make? Of course people re-feud later on but Mania shouldn't be just a middle part of an ongoing feud,

[Juan]

Lol @ someone always saying "this is the worst WrestleMania ever" every year. Never fails

[Jordan]

Edge vs Alberto Del Rio ****
Best Wrestlemania opener ever aside from Bret/Owen. Great match and I'm glad Edge won, he's lost the title way too many times. Awesome match that got me super in the mood.

Cody Rhodes vs Rey Mysterio *** 1/2
Shocker of the night, Cody Rhodes is a main WWE player now folks.

The Corre vs Big Show/Kane/Kofi/Santino * 1/2
Meh, hate that it was so short but oh well.

Orton vs CM Punk *** 1/2
Really good match, hard hitting and great finish.

Jerry Lawler vs Michael Cole *
This match pissed me off because it was WAY TOO LONG! And Cole wrestled way too much, I figured he'd get the upper hand once, but damn it was for so long. Such a boring match that should have been about four minutes long. Plus, no piledriver? WTF, and lame ending with the decision being reversed.

The Undertaker vs Triple H *****
TRIPLE H = BEST WM ENTRANCE EVER
What an incredible match. My part fucking loved this match, it was INSANE, we were hanging on every move. Triple H really pulled it out and The Undertaker seems to be just fine as he pulled out all the stops and then some. He took some big bumps tonight and really got his ass kicked. Fucking amazingly dramatic match, I can't wait to watch it again.

Snooki, Trish, and Morrison vs Lay Cool and Ziggler **
Trish is better than ever and Snooki was cute and fun.

John Cena vs The Miz ** 1/2
Not a great main event, but not offensive. I wish it were shorter and more high impact, faster pace to keep up the interest after such a long and great PPV. The Rock closing was expected and nice, weird to see Cena put on the back burner.


Loved the PPV, big time bummer for Bryan and Sheamus who had time taken away for the awful King/Cole match and the five minutes too long main event.
Miz wasn't ready for the main event but The Rock pulled his weight for him.
Great PPV, and The Rock's opener was amazing.

[BigCrippyZ]

I can expect what I like. and yeah I was WANTING. You see Wanting and expecting are two totally different things. HHH to win. Did you wake up from the wrong side of your bed this morning?. Thinking your so hardcore by swearing. Show some respect and don't mock peoples opinions you twat.

No, no, no! I don't like cakes! I LOVE CAKES!

To be fair, I do agree with you that it would've be cool to see HHH pin Taker after that Tombstone. However, I put that aside and enjoyed and appreciated the match for what it was and it was a damn good match.

I loved what they did with Taker being the messed up legend/veteran who just won't quit and didn't know where he was or whether the match was over or what. Did anyone else notice that when he was on the stretcher he was still moving around a little like he thought he was still in the match?

[Aguakate]

Lol @ someone always saying "this is the worst WrestleMania ever" every year. Never fails

Right now I call that WrestleMania 28 in Miami, Florida will be THE WORST WRESTLEMANIA EVER.

[thedamndest]

I'll bet all of you that hated it will watch Raw tomorrow.

[Tazz Dan]

I enjoyed the PPV. Sure there was some bad booking along the way, but I was still entertained.

TPWW Chat confused me though, they justified The Rock's closing the show because lots of people would have ordered for him, which is true. But then they criticized the booking and results because it didn't suit the IWC. Can't have it both ways....

[Tazz Dan]

*Sits in corner and waits for flaming/denying/shitstorm from that post*

[BigCrippyZ]

Mania shouldn't be just a middle part of an ongoing feud,

Why not? Who says? Who made that rule? When did they make it? Is it just because you said so? I don't understand this argument anymore. It's just such a cartoon-ish way of thinking to me. "You have to end feuds at Mania!" WHY?! Because it USED to be the way things were done? I think at this point in the wrestling business, all the rules are out the window and Vince and his writers can pretty much do whatever the hell they want.

[Aguakate]

I'll bet all of you that hated it will watch Raw tomorrow.

LOL and WM28, too...

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[Lara Emily]

LOl I never get this you didn't like it so now you are a hypocrite if you ever watch again.

[Mjdiesel]

Lol @ someone always saying "this is the worst WrestleMania ever" every year. Never fails

OK. That comes across as code for

"WM is fine, everyone has too much time on there hands to appreciate what good product is and should just take it in stride and be complacent with unorganized execution, lackluster writing, and shoddy celebrity placement."

I see your concern for people doing that, but no one's being a "Hater". If you think having a WHC match first, a ranting Rock monologue that could have been on Raw, Pee Wee Herman pissing all over one of the greatest promos in the business ever, Great Khali and Kelly Kelly in Grease, Roddy Piper getting an extremely undeserved " 'who the fuck are you', silent acknowledgment from the crowd in his quick cameo, JR calling matches like he has a gun to his head, Michael Cole being put over an unappreciated employee like Lawler, the US title belt match being compromised and two guys humiliated, Rock appearing once every 37 minutes and Sunny not even being used at all and a contradictory treatment of a Royal Rumble winner from nowhere getting push to look like an asshole at the end, and an underwhelming Taker/HHH match a solid Wrestlemania, more power to you.

We can agree to disagree, no one's saying you're right or wrong. Just, you know, some of us notice these things. Especially when we're paying 57 dollars.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Definitely not the worst WM ever, but it had it's faults. I'm going to sleep on it.

Still though, may be in the minority, but I didn't like the HHH vs Taker match.

[Aguakate]

LOl I never get this you didn't like it so now you are a hypocrite if you ever watch again.

Jericho said it, not me...

[Lock Jaw]

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[Juan]

Nerd alert

[Lara Emily]

Definitely not the worst WM ever, but it had it's faults. I'm going to sleep on it.

Still though, may be in the minority, but I didn't like the HHH vs Taker match.

I'm with you on it.

[Mjdiesel]

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I thought NBC cancelled "The Cape":wtf:

[Mjdiesel]

Nerd alert

:roll:

[Mjdiesel]

I'll bet all of you that hated it will watch Raw tomorrow.

I see so saying they're disappointed and let down by a shit show automatically means we're abandoning the WWE forever?

And anyone looking for closure or redemption on WMXXVII is hypocritical?

Interesting...

[BigCrippyZ]

OK. That comes across as code for

"WM is fine, everyone has too much time on there hands to appreciate what good product is and should just take it in stride and be complacent with unorganized execution, lackluster writing, and shoddy celebrity placement."

I see your concern for people doing that, but no one's being a "Hater". If you think having a WHC match first, a ranting Rock monologue that could have been on Raw, Pee Wee Herman pissing all over one of the greatest promos in the business ever, Great Khali and Kelly Kelly in Grease, Roddy Piper getting an extremely undeserved " 'who the fuck are you', silent acknowledgment from the crowd in his quick cameo, JR calling matches like he has a gun to his head, Michael Cole being put over an unappreciated employee like Lawler, the US title belt match being compromised and two guys humiliated, Rock appearing once every 37 minutes and Sunny not even being used at all and a contradictory treatment of a Royal Rumble winner from nowhere getting push to look like an asshole at the end, and an underwhelming Taker/HHH match a solid Wrestlemania, more power to you.

We can agree to disagree, no one's saying you're right or wrong. Just, you know, some of us notice these things. Especially when we're paying 57 dollars.

Some of your complaints are legit, I agree. The PeeWee thing I could've seriously done without, as well as the whole Snoop segment. However, I don't really think you can bitch about the crowd or writers for not giving Piper the type of crowd reaction you think he "deserved". I personally loved the Taker/HHH match. Was it a perfect WM, no. However, over all, I think this was worth my $57.

If you don't think it was worth it, do something productive about it. Stop watching their programming and don't buy Mania or any other PPV's this next year. Trust me, if that many people were legitimately dissatisfied and actually stopped buying/watching, they would make changes to try and improve their product eventually. It's simple business, economics and capitalism folks.

[Mjdiesel]

Some of your complaints are legit, I agree. The PeeWee thing I could've seriously done without, as well as the whole Snoop segment. However, I don't really think you can bitch about the crowd or writers for not giving Piper the type of crowd reaction you think he "deserved". I personally loved the Taker/HHH match. Was it a perfect WM, no. However, over all, I think this was worth my $57.

If you don't think it was worth it, do something productive about it. Stop watching their programming and don't buy Mania or any other PPV's this next year. Trust me, if that many people were legitimately dissatisfied and actually stopped buying/watching, they would make changes to try and improve their product eventually. It's simple business, economics and capitalism folks.

:y:Will you at least admit that they stopped trying a little? Maybe I;m being too sentimental for my own good. Am I that much of an old fart thinking that they could be as spot on like they were with a WMIII or X7? Is it that uncompromising of me to say I've seen college plays assembled better than this evening?

And love him or hate him, Piper's WWE royalty. And this is coming from a non Piper fan!

[BigCrippyZ]

I see so saying they're disappointed and let down by a shit show automatically means we're abandoning the WWE forever?

And anyone looking for closure or redemption on WMXXVII is hypocritical?

Interesting...

No, it doesn't mean you have to abandon the WWE forever. To me though, it just shows how childish and immature some folks are around here who are consistently unhappy/disappointed with the writing/product, yet continue to watch/buy PPV's. If you're that dissatisfied, do something about it. Stop watching for a while, find something else to do that entertains you. Then come back later and see if you like the product again or if they've improved.

That's what I do now and have done for a while now in recent years. I still "follow" as best I can, what's going on through the IWC, etc, but if I start to get really dissatisfied with the writing/product I'll stop watching for a while hoping they improve.

[Mjdiesel]

No, it doesn't mean you have to abandon the WWE forever. To me though, it just shows how childish and immature some folks are around here who are consistently unhappy/disappointed with the writing/product, yet continue to watch/buy PPV's. If you're that dissatisfied, do something about it. Stop watching for a while, find something else to do that entertains you. Then come back later and see if you like the product again or if they've improved.

That's what I do now and have done for a while now in recent years. I still "follow" as best I can, what's going on through the IWC, etc, but if I start to get really dissatisfied with the writing/product I'll stop watching for a while hoping they improve.

:y:

[BigCrippyZ]

:y:Will you at least admit that they stopped trying a little? Maybe I;m being too sentimental for my own good. Am I that much of an old fart thinking that they could be as spot on like they were with a WMIII or X7? Is it that uncompromising of me to say I've seen college plays assembled better than this evening?

And love him or hate him, Piper's WWE royalty. And this is coming from a non Piper fan!

Oh I agree, I've been one of the biggest critics ever around here and some of the writing/decisions they've made in recent years just boggle the mind. Coming off of the high of the "biggest" periods in wrestling (or most businesses) it's a hard thing to keep all the fans satisfied.

I think some of it has to do with the fact that they're more and more becoming, or trying to become, a "legit", global entertainment company, and not just a wrestling company.

They're in a strange transition period IMO and it seems they're no longer about developing and promoting a wrestling show/product, and more about developing and promoting their "superstars" and their relationships with third parties, like sponsors, movies/DVD's, products like toys, etc. When you expand as a business, your prior products will often begin to suffer in quality.

[Dave Youell]

Apart from a flat main event, I liked this. Could pick holes in it, but won't because I prefer to focus on what I enjoyed and ignore the bits I did.

No one will ever love every second of a 4 hour PPV, just take away the good things and appriciate the effort and the overall show

[Juan]

If you keep expecting WrestleMania to be as good as your favorite WrestleMania, you're gonna end up disappointed 9 times out of 10.

[Skippord]

I enjoyed it thoroughly, was pleasantly surprised that The Miz won.

also settle down with the "Wrestlemania is used to end feuds!" stuff you numbskulls

[Pegasus Crawford]

Does this become the first Wreslemania since the introduction of the WHC that both the WHC and WWE Championship have been retained?

[Tornado]

Edge/Del Rio was a good opener. Surprised to see a World Title curtain jerk.
Punk/Orton was entertaining.
Rhodes/Mysterio was great, Rhodes has come on leaps and bounds.
Both tag matches where forgettable, except for COBRA!
Cole/Lawler was poor. Cole looked like he had a rod up his ass for most of the match, and the finish was a fucking joke. Had to end with a few Stunners though.
I though Taker/HHH was terrible.
Watching the last two Taker Mania matches with HBK I was hanging on every move thinking either of them could realistically win at any moment.
This year it was just....slow...you knew Taker would kick out of pedigrees and tombstones.
However, I wouldn't have called the tap out finish.
Miz/Cena was alright, the tackle over the barrier looked brutal for both guys, and I rather enjoyed seeing The Rock screw Cena.

Overall, not the worst WM ever, but pretty mediocre.

[BigCrippyZ]

Apart from a flat main event, I liked this. Could pick holes in it, but won't because I prefer to focus on what I enjoyed and ignore the bits I did.

No one will ever love every second of a 4 hour PPV, just take away the good things and appriciate the effort and the overall show

If you keep expecting WrestleMania to be as good as your favorite WrestleMania, you're gonna end up disappointed 9 times out of 10.

This.

Despite how excited I really was for this years Mania, probably the most I've been looking forward to Mania in 7-10 years, somehow I had set my expectations pretty low for WM27. Needless to say I was pretty damn happy with it and thought it was $ well spent.

[BigCrippyZ]

Cole/Lawler was poor. Cole looked like he had a rod up his ass for most of the match, and the finish was a fucking joke. Had to end with a few Stunners though.
I though Taker/HHH was terrible.
Watching the last two Taker Mania matches with HBK I was hanging on every move thinking either of them could realistically win at any moment.
This year it was just....slow...you knew Taker would kick out of pedigrees and tombstones.
However, I wouldn't have called the tap out finish.
Miz/Cena was alright, the tackle over the barrier looked brutal for both guys, and I rather enjoyed seeing The Rock screw Cena.

Overall, not the worst WM ever, but pretty mediocre.

I think Cole just really wasn't ready/able to work a solid match with anyone yet. It just felt like King and Cole were being really careful and hesitant with each other, especially King working on Cole.

I can't say that I'm surprised that folks are bitching about the Taker/HHH match. I think the last two WM matches with HBK were so great, that this match never had a chance to live up to them for some folks.

If you put that aside though, I think you'll see that this years HHH vs Taker match was really good, not as good as either of HBK/Taker, but really good nonetheless.

HHH is not HBK and he doesn't work the same style as Michaels, not as fast paced, etc. All things considered, ages, styles, HBK WM expecations, the match was really good IMO.

I also really loved the way they pushed Taker as the old, worn out, veteran that just wouldn't quit or stop fighting, and how he was kinda dimented and kept "shadowboxing", didn't seem to know where he was or if the match was over or what, but he was just gonna keep going.

[SaskatchewanChamp]

Honestly felt like "just another monthly PPV" to me. HHH/Taker was OK, nothing special at all.

Cole/Lawler = Bret/Vince from last year. Except way less satisfying for me personally.

Snookie impressed me with how much her belly jiggled during her little "spot."

The Main Event was horrible. It was rushed, and ever time Miz is in the ring with Cena, I can't help but remember how bad Cena destroyed him only 9 months ago or so. How the fuck can they justify that, and how the Miz is now? Anyway, it was the worst main event in Mania history if you subtract the Rock from it.

Overall, very disappointing.

4.5/10 Wrestlemania Ranking.

[St. Jimmy]

Saw it at the bar, good times.

Edge/Del Rio was odd as the first match, okay match. Car bit was a bit much.
Rhodes/Mysterio was good, glad Cody won. Rey rey always looks like a fucking downs kid in his outfits.
Corre loses in 1:18 seconds. LAWL.
Punk/Orton was good. Wish they would've had more time (as did they)
Cole/Lawler was interesting. Cole entertained me, reminded me a bit of Heenan. Went on too long. The GM thing was kind of stupid. Ruined the ending.

THANK GOD JR CALLED THE REST OF MANIA.

Triple H/Undertaker was great. Edge of my seat the entire match. Camera work was perfect, facial expressions were perfect, and no one has ever taken Taker to the limit like that. The match showed what they wanted to show, you can kill The Undertaker, but you can't kill the streak. Plus Triple H's entrance was fucking amazing. Best match of the night by far.

6 Person Tag: Bathroom breaks are good. Snookie has big tits. Morrison still sucks. Whatever.

Cena/Miz 1: Cool Promos, Cena booed out of the building. Shit end.

Cena/Miz 2: After a night of Rock burying Cena on the Mic he physically buries Cena, Miz retains (lesser of two evils I guess), and then Rock buries Miz. None of this makes sense unless Rock is going to put the trunks back on and bring his A game. If not then anyone who wants to talk about holding down talent should talk about The Rock. He buried the top Heel and Face of WWE in one event. The ending looked rushed as hell, very awkward. Should've just let Taker/Triple H close the show. Mistakes were made, oh well.

Overall a decent mania.

6/10. Orton/Punk, Triple H/Taker, and seeing Miz/Cena buried made for a pretty good night.

[bostonbill41]

Overall I thought it was a good show. No buyers remorse. I will say Miz/Cena was a huge let down after HHH/Undertaker.
MNR should be interesting tonight.

[Juan]

TNA Wrestling performer Kurt Angle, a former WWE Champion, posted numerous messages on his Twitter account during WrestleMania XXVII criticizing Randy Orton, Jack Swagger, Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler for using his trademark finishing maneuvers during their respective matches.

The tweets are as follows:

"To WWE wrestlers, Don't use my Finish. Get more Creative. Hmmmm- Orton. Did I say that."

"I heard Orton had an Awesome match though. Ur welcome. Lol."

"I guess Swagger will use my Ankle Lock as well.Very creative. I'm the Best in the World. You Guys will never be Kurt Angle.can I get an AMEN."

"Kurt Angle will never die. TNA. WWE. I'm a leader. Not follower."

"Why would WWE use my finishes? Is it because I won't go back? R Orton- Angle Slam. M Cole- Ankle Lock? They have some nerve."

"Jerry Lawlor did it too. But He is a Legend. WWE really stuck it to Me.No Love lost. I'm glad that I helped Your biggest Event of the Year:)"

[Juan]

Randy Orton issued a response on Twitter to Kurt Angle's rant regarding wrestlers using the Ankle Lock:

"Everythings been done before as far as 'moves' go in the sports entertainment. I want to thank SCSA for the 'Thesz Press'. And I know for a fact that SCSA got the 'Thesz Press' from Dutch Mantel. Point being, instead of taking offense to someone using your move, consider it a sign of respect. Btw does anyone know what Ken Shamrocks finish was? I believe Jack Swagger used ankle lock outta respect for Ken?"

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'd say Kurt has "lost it" but, yeah...foregone conclusion.

Juan, did you enjoy Wrestlemania?

[St. Jimmy]

Angle needs help. Poor guy.

[Juan]

Yeah, I enjoyed pretty much all of it.

To be fair tho, I'm not one to get hung up on the order of matches or who was left off the card.

[Swiss Ultimate]

How was Miz VS. Cena?

[Rock Bottom]

I agree with Angle. It's also really retarded for everyone to just throw Big Show's finisher around every 30 seconds

[Juan]

Not bad. Pretty much what you'd expect from a Cena match, but with the added excitement of the Miz retaining and The Rock's involvement. The ending pretty much confirms that the Rock will stick around after Mania and actually get in the ring soon. Plus, it was cool that the crowd was still that hot at the end of the show. Made for a memorable night IMO

[#1-norm-fan]

The whole "People ALWAYS say 'Worst WrestleMania ever'" argument is lame. It's like no WrestleMania can ever be the worst ever because people will just say "Oh, someone ALWAYS says that!"

I really don't think anyone, whether it be Lara Emily or anyone else, has an extreme bias towards WWE in either direction. I'm pretty sure no one here works for TNA or WWE and is trying to sway people's minds by saying "Best ever", "Worst ever" or anywhere in between. No one has anything to gain by stating their feelings.... including myself.

All that being said, I have watched WrestleMania yearly live ever since I can remember. Even those I don't remember seeing live, I've watched. I've seen every one multiple times... this was, without a doubt, one of the worst.

Just atrocious. Even going in realizing that the card was pretty lackluster, it still was a huge let down to me. Really, they went with a different feel this year and it just fell flat on it's face. Nothing of note came from it. I know everyone's juiced about Miz retaining and Rock helping and all. But let that feeling die down and just think about that ending. 5 years from now I feel like people will look at this WrestleMania and either say "That was the beginning of the end" or "Wow, WrestleMania really kinda just took a year off back in 2011, didn't it?"

[St. Jimmy]

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Shit quality, but still awesome.

[MIZantine Empire]

Oh come the fuck on she did what two moves, a ton of Divas do the handspring, it means shit, saying she's better then LayCool is preposterous
its the fact that she isnt a "superstar" and she pulled that handspring thing off pretty damn flawlessly. everyone expected her to be a fat sack of chud but she showed she was athletic to some point. after seeing that, i would deff let her show me her athleticism in the bedroom, but lights would still be off.

[MIZantine Empire]

i didnt like the order of the matches, but it wasnt that big a deal to me. as bad as you guys say the taker/hhh match was, i was on the edge of my seat the entire time. i kept thinking trips was gonna do it, and thought the symbolism of the tombstone was sealing the deal. i am huge on hoping they never kill the streak, so this was bothering me, lol. i loved the constant kicking out from taker, it helps mold the thought that on the biggest stages of them all, in any sport the best find ways to win, and dig down and reach another level. also that spot with cena and the miz, when cena tackled him over the barracade seemed rough. it looked like miz was legit knocked loopy. but above all, my biggest mood killer, was when my mom saw the miz, cena, and the rock in the ring at the same time, and calmly and casually said this statement...."that would be a deff 4 way" :nono:

[Swiss Ultimate]

The whole "People ALWAYS say 'Worst WrestleMania ever'" argument is lame. It's like no WrestleMania can ever be the worst ever because people will just say "Oh, someone ALWAYS says that!"

I really don't think anyone, whether it be Lara Emily or anyone else, has an extreme bias towards WWE in either direction. I'm pretty sure no one here works for TNA or WWE and is trying to sway people's minds by saying "Best ever", "Worst ever" or anywhere in between. No one has anything to gain by stating their feelings.... including myself.

All that being said, I have watched WrestleMania yearly live ever since I can remember. Even those I don't remember seeing live, I've watched. I've seen every one multiple times... this was, without a doubt, one of the worst.

Just atrocious. Even going in realizing that the card was pretty lackluster, it still was a huge let down to me. Really, they went with a different feel this year and it just fell flat on it's face. Nothing of note came from it. I know everyone's juiced about Miz retaining and Rock helping and all. But let that feeling die down and just think about that ending. 5 years from now I feel like people will look at this WrestleMania and either say "That was the beginning of the end" or "Wow, WrestleMania really kinda just took a year off back in 2011, didn't it?"

How many Wrestlemanias have you seen?

[Onyx]

I am not at all disappointed with WrestleMania. Not one bit. I didn't order it, and I feel good about that decision. I got all I needed to know from reading the reviews and this thread, and it doesn't seem like I really missed anything. Plus, that's nearly 60 bucks saved right there. Kind of sad that no titles changed hands. I mean, personally I didn't want Cena or Del Rio coming out as champion, so I'm not complaining. It's just kind of surprising that after a WrestleMania, we have no new champions.

And speaking of Del Rio, I caught a lot of shit awhile back when I said he should have won the IC title first, and that at this point I just couldn't see him as champion. I caught hell for saying he wasn't ready, and probably wouldn't win. People told me he didn't need the IC belt, that he was going to be the next WHC, and that he was going to main event WrestleMania. And look at what happened. Not only did he NOT win the title, but his match OPENED THE SHOW. Apparently, I'm not the only one who thought he wasn't quite ready. Sorry to be a dick, but I've been waiting 3 months to say this.......TOLD YOU SO!

I don't hate Del Rio, and I'm confident he will be the world champion one day. Just not today. Maybe now they can build his character up a little more naturally instead of forcing too much, too soon.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Who told you that? Name some names you coward!

[Onyx]

Who told you that? Name some names you coward!

Snowden and XL to name two (if memory serves) since your so desperate to know. If you want more names, show some initiative and go look through some past threads. I can't spoon feed you everything, plus I can't remember every name I've ever dealt with.

So, there are some names, you nosey ass! :)

[Swiss Ultimate]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3446626

The thread where you were a complete asshole to people I like...

Also, only Snowden directly argued with you. Everyone else just says you were a jerk and that your idea for the IC title was crap.

[Onyx]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3446626

The thread where you were a complete asshole to people I like...

Also, only Snowden directly argued with you. Everyone else just says you were a jerk and that your idea for the IC title was crap.

That's the one. So kind of you to remember. Kind of sad actually. You really have nothing better to do?

Yeah they thought the idea was crap, and yet.......oh snap! Del Rio lost and got the opener instead of the main event. Now maybe the IC belt wouldn't have helped, and maybe it would have. Either way, he still didn't win. He still didn't main event. And obviously something different should have been done. At least I made a suggestion. What useful thing have you done lately?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Dude, I REALLY have nothing better to do. I'm stuck on a fucking ship right now and for the next 5-6 months. Also...err...you asked me to do this.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I clicked on the last few pages of this thread to see peoples reactions to it and it just reaffirmed that the wrestling forum is full of utter mongs.

[Onyx]

Dude, I REALLY have nothing better to do. I'm stuck on a fucking ship right now and for the next 5-6 months. Also...err...you asked me to do this.

Bummer.

And yes, I did ask. I'll give you that. But it's not that you did it that makes me :rofl:

but rather that you did it so damn fast. I mean wow. No need to be THAT eager about it. I wasn't aware that the internet connection on a ship was that fast.

[4 knuckles up]

I loved this years Mania.

Edge vs Del Rio was great- A solid opener, given a decent amount of time, and I think the right guy won. I would have liked to have seen Xtian hit the killswitch on Brodus Clay, mind you.

Rhodes vs Mysterio was great as well. I really thought it would be a by-the-numbers win for Rey, but I liked the psycology of the match, and the right guy went over.

The Corre didn't get enough time. Just enough time for for the faces to hit finishers. I'm not greatly unhappy with the match, since I didn't think it would be anything special even given 15 minutes.

Orton vs Punk kicked ass too, they really worked their asses off, great spot at the end, tough, hard hitting match.

Cole vs Lawler was paced all wrong. I liked the Cole Mine beating, but all it needed was Cole being thrown in the ring after, who distracts SCSA, Swagger gives King's ankle a whack with a wrench or something, AnCole-lock applied, then Jerry fights out of it, piledriver, win. Stunners to Swagger and Cole. Simple. Instead, like this post, we had a rambling match all disjointed and awkward.

Taker vs Tripple H was great. Fantastic, actually. Taker was getting his ass kicked, pulled out a desperation move. Did not see that ending coming. The crowd were really into it too. Ofcourse Trips had no chance of winning, but he put on a good show and thats all you really need.

At least the shit with Snooki was quick. She did better in-ring than 50% of the Divas, and its always a pleasure to see Trish.

The main event, Cena vs Miz, wasn't bad, either. It was a solid main event, Cena was a bit sloppy at the start, but he picked his game up. Miz kicked out of a huge AA. The double count-out was stupid. Especially Miz walking away from the ring. -But then the match was re-started and Cena ate a Rock bottom.

So yeah, great PPV, great Mania. I'd give it a solid 8 out of 10. The card doesn't look amazing, but I really enjoyed them. Cody/Rey + HHH/Trips were my favourite matches, with Randy/Punk getting an honourable mention.

[JimmyMess]

I loved 'Mania.
Stone Cold/The Rock was a nice treat (albeit expected);

I creamed my jeans @ Trish Stratus (still unbelievably smoking);

Snooki I have to say impressed me with that little cartwheel move;

Undertaker/Trips was very entertaining & dramatic, glad HBK didn't get involved;

T he original finish to the main event was retarded, but then cool with the restart and when Rocky hit the Rock Bottom on Cena that was great. Was clinging with a hair to a Cena heel turn but that will have to wait.

All in all a great shoiw

[Onyx]

T he original finish to the main event was retarded, but then cool with the restart and when Rocky hit the Rock Bottom on Cena that was great. Was clinging with a hair to a Cena heel turn but that will have to wait.

That reminds me, so with what happened at Mania who else thinks the Cena heel turn is on its way? I can't help but think he even changed his color to red. Red being much more evil than orange or purple. Granted, the color change is likely a coincidence.....but kind of a funny one.

[RatedGSuperstar]

4 hours is just too long, IMO. By the end of the show it felt disappointing, but looking back now I did enjoy the first hour. It was disappointing that Edge/Del Rio was limited to 10 minutes and felt like something you would see weekly on Smackdown.

I think the big problem the people who don't like it have is that there wasn't really a memorable match on the card other than maybe HHH/Taker. Like others have said, everything else just felt like a normal PPV. Not bad, just meh.

[Londoner]

I'm just watching the replay now while in a more sober mindset, its not been as bad as some are suggesting, though the commentary's been pretty shit up until JR arrived.

[BigCrippyZ]

I creamed my jeans @ Trish Stratus (still unbelievably smoking);


Even my wife said, "Damn, she IS hot!" :naughty:

[BigCrippyZ]

Did anyone else like Taker's little "dementia" gimmick where he kept "shadowboxing" and going on almost like he didn't know where he was or whether the match was over? I loved it and thought it was a cool and nice little touch.

I'm thinking they're going to do something with it and maybe they're setting up Taker's last run to make him 20-0 at Mania next year before he retires.

[Londoner]

HHH/Takers been good but the finishers aren't exciting me with how quickly they're being done.

[JimmyMess]

Did anyone else like Taker's little "dementia" gimmick where he kept "shadowboxing" and going on almost like he didn't know where he was or whether the match was over? I loved it and thought it was a cool and nice little touch.

I'm thinking they're going to do something with it and maybe they're setting up Taker's last run to make him 20-0 at Mania next year before he retires.

I think it was just so they could take him off TV for the next ten months to be honest. He won the match, "but at what cost?" type deal...

[JimmyMess]

HHH/Takers been good but the finishers aren't exciting me with how quickly they're being done.

Triple H doing the Tombstone was awesome though

[Londoner]

Just seen that, his reaction when Taker kicked out was great.

[BigCrippyZ]

Granted, it wasn't HBK vs Taker, but all things considered, HHH vs Taker was a great match and I don't get how some folks didn't enjoy it.

[Londoner]

It was certainly enjoyable.

[Londoner]

I hope Cena is Taker's next opponent, this year was too early for it but next year is perfect timing.

[One Eight Sven]

I liked the show. I thought the Taker Triple H match was really good aside from the fact that I didn't understand why Triple H was taking pity on Taker mid match. Just pin him and end the streak.
Even though I was sad Cena lost, I thought the end of the match was entertaining. Plus Cena's chase for the title is usually more entertaining than the reigns.

[JimmyMess]

Granted, it wasn't HBK vs Taker, but all things considered, HHH vs Taker was a great match and I don't get how some folks didn't enjoy it.

What is the line I've seen in the forum as of late?

I believe it is...

"haters gonna hate"

I loved the match. I wouldn't try to compare it to HBK/Taker either

[Londoner]

Why would you be sad with Cena losing at Mania?

[Innovator]

HHH and Taker was awesome, what is wrong with you people?

[JimmyMess]

Yeah I thought it was awesome that Rock cost Cena the match. There will definitely be some repurcussions since The Rock decided he had the power to change the match.

MAYBE WHEN WE FIND OUT KEVIN NASH IS THE RAW GM... lol... I can dream...

[JimmyMess]

HHH and Taker was awesome, what is wrong with you people?

:y:

[Nicky Fives]

Not the greatest Mania ever, but far from the worst..... HHH/Taker wound up being a lot better of a match than I thought...... Cole/King went on far too long and Sheamus/Bryan shouldn't have been demoted.....

Overall, 6.5/10

[JimmyMess]

Not the greatest Mania ever, but far from the worst..... HHH/Taker wound up being a lot better of a match than I thought...... Cole/King went on far too long and Sheamus/Bryan shouldn't have been demoted.....

Overall, 6.5/10

I agree with the Sheamus part. Considering the pay per view run time had the extra 15 minutes tacked on to it, and it ended just before 11, they could have had a ten minute US Championship match.

[Londoner]

That Jersey Shore theme annoys me.

[JimmyMess]

That Jersey Shore theme annoys me.

Jersey Shore annoys me.