Official WWE Raw Draft thread (Will Alberto Del Rio get drafted?)

[loopydate]

Kane to Raw would be my guess because he and the Big Show are the current tag champions and would be a waste to have them drop the titles because they just recently won them.

Tag champs can appear on both shows, so it doesn't really matter which brand they're on.

[Cool King]

Why is Mizarks shirt so much lighter than the others?

I think he's wearing Big Show's shirt.

Show's shirt was also lighter during the Battle Royal. Maybe that shirt was from a few years ago and was specially made for Show's size, or something like that and since then, the SmackDown shirts have been made with a darker blue.

[JimmyMess]

Bookman - "can you imagine if smackdown gunna win this match, who is they gonna pick?"

love it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Forgot all about the special status of the tag belts so yeah Kane can be on Raw as long as him and Show are champions.

[JimmyMess]

there are nearly as many announcers as there are participants in the match.

[Cool King]

Did Cole just say that The Miz went to school in Mexico with Del Rio? :wtf:

[HBPunk]

haha cole cruising around in al's trunk

[RawRocks]

WTF was that

[HBPunk]

woah

[Cool King]

Heel turn!?

[JimmyMess]

wtf

[ClockShot]

:rofl:

Thanks, Mark.

[JimmyMess]

"Mark Henry just got paid dawg"

[KIRA]

YAY no more smiling Kool-aid man Henry

[Juan]

Taker. calling it

[Juan]

Booo

[FearedSanctity]

OH I AM SO TRULY SHOCKED

[RawRocks]

John Cena to Raw!

[JimmyMess]

HAHAHAHAHA

[ClockShot]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[KIRA]

Bullshit

[Cool King]

....fuck.

[el bobbo]

lame

[Cool King]

Though I was expecting it.

[loopydate]

...shocking.

And he has now taken out all of the top heels on his brand.

Again.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Gayyyyyyy.

Would have rather they not even moved Cena.</font> :foc:

[FearedSanctity]

I wish OH MAAAAN, I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING in a sarcastic tone was chantable

[JimmyMess]

that is so lame.

[BizarroKing]

THIS IS BULLS**T! *clap clap clap clap clap*
THIS IS BULLS**T! *clap clap clap clap clap*
THIS IS BULLS**T! *clap clap clap clap clap*
THIS IS BULLS**T! *clap clap clap clap clap*

[Supreme Olajuwon]

oh no you got swerved! cry about it you fucking pussies

[MIZantine Empire]

i think if they built it up right it could be good..like have him come out sayin he is droppin the rap and all that, and say its time to start focusing on the gold. i dont see anything wrong with him gettin a run with the belt. its all about how they build to it tho. i think it would be a feel good moment if he won it
im gonna brag on this again, i posted this on march 10th and effectively got called an idiot. i basically called this truth thing, and i am patting myself on the back...

[#1-norm-fan]

Zack Ryder on Twitter...

Hopefully I get drafted from Superstars to either Raw or SmackDown #WWEDraft

:lol:

[loopydate]

oh no you got swerved! cry about it you fucking pussies

Actually, I think the issue here is that no one was swerved. It was very predictable and made the first 35 minutes of the show a bit of a waste, honestly.

[Emperor Smeat]

Unless the Supplemental Draft has any big moves, right now Christian and Morrison are the big winners of the draft.

Christian stays in the top 2 as faces of Smackdown (Orton as the other big name) and Morrison moves into a stronger #2 face after Cena (Big Show occupied as tag champ and Rey probably goes to US division for now).

Biggest loser might be Del Rio moving from #1 heel on Smackdown to an overcrowded heel group on Raw.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

How? Explain how it was a waste.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The show didn't go exactly how I wanted!!!!!!! I'm so angry!!!!!!!!!

[Gertner]

Zack Ryder on Twitter...

Hopefully I get drafted from Superstars to either Raw or SmackDown #WWEDraft

:lol:

hahaha

[loopydate]

It's not a huge thing, but there was only one draft pick in the first forty minutes of the show. By the end of the night, that one pick was back on the same show.

It just kind of felt like the first third of the show was all about "OMG Cena is going to SmackDown! This is going to completely change the face of WWE!" Then at the end of the night, they yanked the rug out from under that.

[loopydate]

The show didn't go exactly how I wanted!!!!!!! I'm so angry!!!!!!!!!

I'm not angry about the show. Not at all. ADR and Rey to RAW and Orton to SmackDown makes for some interesting new feuds/stories. I was merely responding to

oh no you got swerved! cry about it you fucking pussies

By pointing out that we weren't, in fact, swerved. It was completely predictable and a bit of a rip-off as far as show-ending "shocking" cliffhangers go.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's not a huge thing, but there was only one draft pick in the first forty minutes of the show. By the end of the night, that one pick was back on the same show.

It just kind of felt like the first third of the show was all about "OMG Cena is going to SmackDown! This is going to completely change the face of WWE!" Then at the end of the night, they yanked the rug out from under that.

so you thought one thing was happening and then the opposite happened

that's called a swerve

[XCaliber]

Called that bs from the moment a saw Cena's pic flckering during the draft cycle again normally once their moved they don't come up a 2nd time come on talk about dropping the ball. Guess this means Alberto isn't going to be WHC shame really he would look so much better with that strap then that Spinner crap. Unless the supplemental draft has a lot of big name moves overall i'd say this year's edition was an utter and complete failure wtg WWE. :foc:

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, it was obvious that Cena was going to end up back on RAW somehow. They're not going to let the buildup to their epic Mania 28 main event happen on Smackdown.

I thought that there was a slim chance of keeping Cena on Smackdown for maybe a few months at least (has to do something until Mania) before going back. Somehow.

[BizarroKing]

Called that bs from the moment a saw Cena's pic flckering during the draft cycle normally once their moved they don't come up again lol. Guess this means Alberto isn't going to be WHC shame really he would look so much better with that strap then that Spinner crap. Unless the supplemental draft has a lot of big name moves overall i'd say this year's edition was an utter and complete failure wtg WWE. :foc:

Look on the upside: Christian's time to shine has come...

[loopydate]

so you thought one thing was happening and then the opposite happened

that's called a swerve

No. I didn't. Pay attention.

At least four different people (myself included) by the midpoint in the show had posted something to the effect of "Cena is going back to Raw at the end of the night."

At the end of the night, Cena went back to Raw.

That is not a swerve.

[Lock Jaw]

Really hope that Morrison or Miz don't get drafted to Smackdown in the Supplemental draft.

If they don't, it pretty much guarantees a win for Christian this Sunday, which would be :love:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

No. I didn't. Pay attention.

At least four different people (myself included) by the midpoint in the show had posted something to the effect of "Cena is going back to Raw at the end of the night."

At the end of the night, Cena went back to Raw.

That is not a swerve.


It just kind of felt like the first third of the show was all about "OMG Cena is going to SmackDown! This is going to completely change the face of WWE!" Then at the end of the night, they yanked the rug out from under that.

so then how did they pull the rug out from under you?

were you excited about Cena switching shows?

[CSL]

Any second now all of the 9 year old Cena fans and their likeness aka the ones that make up the majority of WWE's income will be logging on to the internet to complain about how boring and predictable it all was and that the apocalypse is looming. Those poor bastards :(

[Mr. Nerfect]

so you thought one thing was happening and then the opposite happened

that's called a swerve

No, he's saying he wasn't fooled by it because the WWE were constantly dropping hints that Cena would be drafted back, and that it's merely a mistake to book the first 40 minutes of your wrestling show about something that doesn't happen.

Randy Orton and Sin Cara to SmackDown! will be interesting moves, and it seems like there is once again renewed interest in pushing Mark Henry -- but I don't think I buy him as a heel. I mean, he's got size and power to him, but he really brought charisma to the table as a face -- whereas evil Mark is just a little bland. But we'll see how it goes.

Keep in mind that you have Wade Barrett, Drew McIntyre and Cody Rhodes as heels on SmackDown! still, and that Ted DiBiase seems like a fairly safe pick to be drafted.

Rey Mysterio to RAW balances out Sin Cara's trade. Cara's not ready to be exposed live yet, and having Mysterio on RAW allows the WWE to keep their masked merchandise movers separate. I'm looking forward to seeing Sheamus vs. Mysterio for the US Title, to be honest.

Big Show needs to keep moving, as the guy's like a shark. He's over, so I think he'll bring something to RAW. I'd like to see him move into a feud with The Miz over the WWE Title, actually. Cena can be tied-up with someone, and Morrison and R-Truth can do their little thing. Let Big Show have just one month to be doing his thing with The Miz.

[XCaliber]

Also the fact that Orton was slected right after he was made a little too obvious as well there not going to put there two top faces on the freaking B show like seriously. Even Cena by himself would have been a risky move but it could have made sense as he could use it as part of the buildup with The Rock saying he tore it up on "his" show. As for Christian even if he wins he will end up being a transitional champion as he will likely end up losing it the same way Rey did last year at MITB if not sooner.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

No, he's saying he wasn't fooled by it because the WWE were constantly dropping hints that Cena would be drafted back, and that it's merely a mistake to book the first 40 minutes of your wrestling show about something that doesn't happen.



What? The whole story was that Raw lost their top two stars and they were fucked. Then at the end everything worked out and the hero was back.

Have you ever watched television before?

[loopydate]

so then how did they pull the rug out from under you?

were you excited about Cena switching shows?

Not me, personally. I'm saying from a booking standpoint, they negated the first third of their show in the last 24th in an effort to shock. A shock that wasn't shocking, thus a waste of time.

But again, I personally don't have an issue with the draft as a whole. Should make for an interesting summer. I was just pointing pit that if you're going to generalize the IWC's stance on something you should at least understand it first.

[XCaliber]

Big Show needs to keep moving, as the guy's like a shark. He's over, so I think he'll bring something to RAW. I'd like to see him move into a feud with The Miz over the WWE Title, actually. Cena can be tied-up with someone, and Morrison and R-Truth can do their little thing. Let Big Show have just one month to be doing his thing with The Miz.

If Riley gets moved to SD I could see Show eventually becoming Miz's new backup.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Not me, personally. I'm saying from a booking standpoint, they negated the first third of their show in the last 24th in an effort to shock. A shock that wasn't shocking, thus a waste of time.

But again, I personally don't have an issue with the draft as a whole. Should make for an interesting summer. I was just pointing pit that if you're going to generalize the IWC's stance on something you should at least understand it first.

I understand it completely. The IWC doesn't like Cena and will crap all over everything that ends with him coming out on top.

What else did you want to happen? This outrage seems to stem from the idea that they wasted that time talking about Cena and they should've used it for something else. So what else should they have used it for? A Diva draft pick?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It was a completely harmless storyline that involved the company's biggest star that happened to wrap up within 1 show.

[CSL]

Hit television show 24 written by TPWW.net/wrestlingforum

FADE IN

Ahmed Bin Terrorist: A large bomb will detonate, killing millions of people in Los Angeles Mr. Bauer

(blah blah guns blah blah dammit blah blah hot daughter blah blah for 23 episodes)

*A large explosion takes place killing millions of people in Los Angeles

THE END

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bullshit Jack Bauer prolly goes over AGAIN :roll:

[Ruien]

Does anyone else feel like Smackdown was actually gutted during the draft again? Sure they received Randy Orton, but losing ADR and Rey is kind of hard.

On the plus side, things should be looking for up Wade Barrett. Him and Cody are the only legit heels left on Smackdown.

[Tazz Dan]

Supreme, stop acting like a fucktard. You're sounding worse than the trolls. Yes we get you don't like the constant IWC bitching and complaining, neither do the rest of us.

Just get over it mate :y:

[Tazz Dan]

I'll just wait here for my grilling from you now ;)

[Mr. Nerfect]

What? The whole story was that Raw lost their top two stars and they were fucked. Then at the end everything worked out and the hero was back.

Have you ever watched television before?

Actually, redundancy actually violates one of the first laws of script writing. It's not a case of Cena stopping a bomb, or Cena foiling terrorists. Cena was advertised as going somewhere, and then didn't.

Cena could have gone to SmackDown! and perhaps even taken the WWE Championship over there. I'm not saying that would have been the best thing ever, but that's a scenario that involves Cena "coming out on top" that at least delivers on the premises it proposes.

[CSL]

Tazz Dan sitting on his wooden structure to denominate territory in the bay of a truck stuck in neutral in the middle of Zurich.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Supreme, stop acting like a fucktard. You're sounding worse than the trolls. Yes we get you don't like the constant IWC bitching and complaining, neither do the rest of us.

Just get over it mate :y:

:y:

It'd be cool if he actually got that loopydate was not shitting all over the draft, but was merely saying "That wasn't a surprise -- it was the predictable direction of it all, but it kinda feels like a waste to build up a move, no matter whose it is, only for it to be all for naught at the end of the show" and not "booooooo cena. way to go cena, u cunt see me."

Believe it or not, people don't like a bait-and-switches. They feel, you know, like they were promised something that didn't deliver. Fancy people not enjoying that? I guess they have never watched television before and just like complaining.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Actually, redundancy actually violates one of the first laws of script writing. It's not a case of Cena stopping a bomb, or Cena foiling terrorists. Cena was advertised as going somewhere, and then didn't.

Cena could have gone to SmackDown! and perhaps even taken the WWE Championship over there. I'm not saying that would have been the best thing ever, but that's a scenario that involves Cena "coming out on top" that at least delivers on the premises it proposes.

What? How is it redundant? It's the same thing as any other show on tv. You're watching Raw. The main star on Raw is leaving the show. That creates chaos and conflict for the entire Raw family. Then you have rising action and ultimately a deus ex machina ending that resolves everything and restores Raw to order. That is tv.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

:y:

It'd be cool if he actually got that loopydate was not shitting all over the draft, but was merely saying "That wasn't a surprise -- it was the predictable direction of it all, but it kinda feels like a waste to build up a move, no matter whose it is, only for it to be all for naught at the end of the show" and not "booooooo cena. way to go cena, u cunt see me."

Believe it or not, people don't like a bait-and-switches. They feel, you know, like they were promised something that didn't deliver. Fancy people not enjoying that? I guess they have never watched television before and just like complaining.

Bullshit. Wrestling is a constant bait and switch. That's the whole point. That's how you have fucking heels that people care about.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If the story were actually meant to be about John Cena fighting his way back to RAW, so he can have the WWE Championship during his match against The Rock at WrestleMania, then this was still not really great television:

1. It wrapped up on the show. So there's essentially no drama going forth from it -- no tensions or sparks really created. There's no real "all or nothing" attached to what would have been John Cena's last WWE Title opportunity, and his last chance to deliver on his word and have the belt in time for his match against The Rock.

2. The story of John Cena fighting his way back onto RAW was done just a couple of months back, when Nexus leader Wade Barrett fired Cena, leading to Cena attacking Nexus members under Barrett gave Cena his job back -- leading to Cena getting a big victory over Barrett at the December PPV, "TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs."

3. SmackDown! is merely an obstacle. Nothing we should want to watch or care about -- but merely a prison restricting Cena, and stopping him from achieving grander goals than he can on SmackDown!.

The WWE could have had Cena drafted, and at a later date he could have found his way back onto RAW. The Rock could have mocked him next week for failing to take the WWE Title from The Miz, and now he's on "The Rock's show" and being reminded that he will never be The Rock. Cena could have been traded back for some other talent, so at least SmackDown! gets something out of the whole "CENA'S COMING!!!" situation.

It's just terrible writing. Not everything in the WWE, and not everything involving Cena; just this particular bait-and-switch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bullshit. Wrestling is a constant bait and switch. That's the whole point. That's how you have fucking heels that people care about.

Nah, sometimes it's better to just deliver what is expected. Swerves, turns, surprises and such have their place; but not constantly. It's why the faces need to win at WrestleMania.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If the story were actually meant to be about John Cena fighting his way back to RAW, so he can have the WWE Championship during his match against The Rock at WrestleMania, then this was still not really great television:

1. It wrapped up on the show. So there's essentially no drama going forth from it -- no tensions or sparks really created. There's no real "all or nothing" attached to what would have been John Cena's last WWE Title opportunity, and his last chance to deliver on his word and have the belt in time for his match against The Rock.

2. The story of John Cena fighting his way back onto RAW was done just a couple of months back, when Nexus leader Wade Barrett fired Cena, leading to Cena attacking Nexus members under Barrett gave Cena his job back -- leading to Cena getting a big victory over Barrett at the December PPV, "TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs."

3. SmackDown! is merely an obstacle. Nothing we should want to watch or care about -- but merely a prison restricting Cena, and stopping him from achieving grander goals than he can on SmackDown!.

The WWE could have had Cena drafted, and at a later date he could have found his way back onto RAW. The Rock could have mocked him next week for failing to take the WWE Title from The Miz, and now he's on "The Rock's show" and being reminded that he will never be The Rock. Cena could have been traded back for some other talent, so at least SmackDown! gets something out of the whole "CENA'S COMING!!!" situation.

It's just terrible writing. Not everything in the WWE, and not everything involving Cena; just this particular bait-and-switch.

This is exactly my point. It didn't happen how YOU wanted it to, so you complain. You'd be ok with him going back in a couple weeks but not tonight?

Not everything has to advance a storyline. It's not the end of the world to have minor side stories that don't play into the bigger picture. It didn't hurt anything. It didn't disrupt anything. It was a harmless 1 episode side story. Get over it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nah, sometimes it's better to just deliver what is expected. Swerves, turns, surprises and such have their place; but not constantly. It's why the faces need to win at WrestleMania.

And according to everyone here, Cena going back to Raw was what everyone expected.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Did you see Big Show eliminate Evan Bourne tonight? If those two don't feud it'll be a total waste of a battle royal elimination.

[loopydate]

Did you see Big Show eliminate Evan Bourne tonight? If those two don't feud it'll be a total waste of a battle royal elimination.

If they had spent two hours talking about that elimination and then didn't follow up, then yes. You would be 100% right.

But, shockingly, you're not.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If they had spent two hours talking about that elimination and then didn't follow up, then yes. You would be 100% right.

But, shockingly, you're not.

So just so we're clear, you hate all shows where the main character has a conflict and solves that conflict right before the show ends?

[loopydate]

Nope.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So how is this different

[Corndad]

I'm gonna hold compete judgment on the draft till the supplementary picks tomorrow but I think Cena moving back was the right move. Predictable yes but the right move. You can't have the Rock on Raw next week and no Cena there to hype Mania. Lord only knows next time we see the Rock on WWE TV so he needed to be there. As other have said, as soon as Orton went to SD! there was no way to have both him and Cena move.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And according to everyone here, Cena going back to Raw was what everyone expected.

Yeah, which is where the redundancy comes in -- why promise positive change and then not deliver? It's fucking stupid. It's not Jack Bauer saving the world from another crisis -- it's promoting and building an idea, and then not following through.

It's nothing. Nothing good, nothing really tragically bad. Just a fucking waste.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm gonna hold compete judgment on the draft till the supplementary picks tomorrow but I think Cena moving back was the right move. Predictable yes but the right move. You can't have the Rock on Raw next week and no Cena there to hype Mania. Lord only knows next time we see the Rock on WWE TV so he needed to be there. As other have said, as soon as Orton went to SD! there was no way to have both him and Cena move.

Oh, of course Cena being on RAW is the right move. But you know what would have been even better? Not moving him to SmackDown! in the first place.

[Nark Order]

Personally, I didn't like it. I felt like they could've more properly filled their time instead of playing some odd practical joke. I'm not going to lose sleep over it or anything but it did seem rather pointless.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah, which is where the redundancy comes in -- why promise positive change and then not deliver? It's fucking stupid. It's not Jack Bauer saving the world from another crisis -- it's promoting and building an idea, and then not following through.

It's nothing. Nothing good, nothing really tragically bad. Just a fucking waste.

Except the Raw announcers spent the entire episode of Raw talking about how bad it was for Raw. That was a crisis for the show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So just so we're clear, you hate all shows where the main character has a conflict and solves that conflict right before the show ends?

Yeah, you're right. Because we don't like seeing someone drafted multiple times in one night, ultimately leading to no change or development, we must not like any show in the history of television.

[CSL]

my god

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah, you're right. Because we don't like seeing someone drafted multiple times in one night, ultimately leading to no change or development, we must not like any show in the history of television.

If you didn't like it, that's fine. There are many reasons not to like it. Personally I didn't think it was very compelling tv.

But that's a lot different than being an overly analytical prick about story structure.

[loopydate]

So how is this different

Because:

What? The whole story was that Raw lost their top two stars and they were fucked. Then at the end everything worked out and the hero was back.

is blatantly untrue. That wasn't the story. The story was that the entire face of the company had changed. That Friday nights were about to get a big shake-up and John Cena was returning to the show where he first became famous but has been away from for six years.

There were no odds to overcome. RAW wasn't "fucked." They got Rey Mysterio with the second pick, the same Rey Mysterio who is the second-biggest merch mover on the roster and a former multiple-time world champion. They later got Alberto Del Rio, co-number-one contender for the World Heavyweight Title and Big Show current co-holder of the Tag Team Titles and - oh, yeah! - a former multiple-time WWE and World Champion (plus WCW, ECW...). There's no crisis.

It was "John Cena is going to revolutionize the other brand! You can't miss Friday Night SmackDown! Oh, wait, yes you can. He's back. Never mind. Ha ha. Whoops."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Except the Raw announcers spent the entire episode of Raw talking about how bad it was for Raw. That was a crisis for the show.

Yeah, and we're saying it sucked and was pointless and was kind of a waste of a draft.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Because:



is blatantly untrue. That wasn't the story. The story was that the entire face of the company had changed. That Friday nights were about to get a big shake-up and John Cena was returning to the show where he first became famous but has been away from for six years.

There were no odds to overcome. RAW wasn't "fucked." They got Rey Mysterio with the second pick, the same Rey Mysterio who is the second-biggest merch mover on the roster and a former multiple-time world champion. They later got Alberto Del Rio, co-number-one contender for the World Heavyweight Title and Big Show current co-holder of the Tag Team Titles and - oh, yeah! - a former multiple-time WWE and World Champion (plus WCW, ECW...). There's no crisis.

It was "John Cena is going to revolutionize the other brand! You can't miss Friday Night SmackDown! Oh, wait, yes you can. He's back. Never mind. Ha ha. Whoops."

Why can't it be both? It would have been a good thing for Smackdown. But you were watching Raw. And on the show you were watching, it was bad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Because:

*Supreme Olajuwong's shit*

is blatantly untrue. That wasn't the story. The story was that the entire face of the company had changed. That Friday nights were about to get a big shake-up and John Cena was returning to the show where he first became famous but has been away from for six years.

There were no odds to overcome. RAW wasn't "fucked." They got Rey Mysterio with the second pick, the same Rey Mysterio who is the second-biggest merch mover on the roster and a former multiple-time world champion. They later got Alberto Del Rio, co-number-one contender for the World Heavyweight Title and Big Show current co-holder of the Tag Team Titles and - oh, yeah! - a former multiple-time WWE and World Champion (plus WCW, ECW...). There's no crisis.

It was "John Cena is going to revolutionize the other brand! You can't miss Friday Night SmackDown! Oh, wait, yes you can. He's back. Never mind. Ha ha. Whoops."

:y:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah, and we're saying it sucked and was pointless and was kind of a waste of a draft.

Ugggggggggggggggggggggggh how was it a waste of the draft? They pick and choose who goes where. If they didn't want to move many people then they don't have to. There aren't a set amount of picks and moves. How could it possibly be a waste when it wasn't taking anything else's place?

[loopydate]

Why can't it be both? It would have been a good thing for Smackdown. But you were watching Raw. And on the show you were watching, it was bad.

It could have been both. That also would have been better writing.

But it wasn't both. There is no brand rivalry anymore. Just because something is good for SmackDown doesn't mean it has to be bad for Raw, and that wasn't the story they were telling tonight.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why can't it be both? It would have been a good thing for Smackdown. But you were watching Raw. And on the show you were watching, it was bad.

The emphasis is all wrong. There's a time and a place, Supreme.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It could have been both. That also would have been better writing.

But it wasn't both. There is no brand rivalry anymore. Just because something is good for SmackDown doesn't mean it has to be bad for Raw, and that wasn't the story they were telling tonight.

What? They have a PPV dedicated to the brand rivalry. They wrestled matches against each other. The announcers were talking shit to each other. They're clearly still pushing the brand rivalry. That is not debatable at all.

[MIZantine Empire]

is it just me or do the belts look the replica belts lately? something just seems off about them

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The emphasis is all wrong. There's a time and a place, Supreme.

And who picks that? You?

[loopydate]

What? They have a PPV dedicated to the brand rivalry. They wrestled matches against each other. The announcers were talking shit to each other. They're clearly still pushing the brand rivalry. That is not debatable at all.

Yeah, but Bragging Rights and the draft are the only two nights out of the year where the split matters. The rest of the year, guys are showing up on the other show, interacting positively with guys from the other show, referencing things that happened on the other show...

They pushed the brand rivalry tonight. And this is the last we'll hear of it until it's time to build up to Bragging Rights.

[CSL]

WWE is catered for internet fans, only they're really bad at it and don't have their finger on the ePulse, did you not know that?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ugggggggggggggggggggggggh how was it a waste of the draft? They pick and choose who goes where. If they didn't want to move many people then they don't have to. There aren't a set amount of picks and moves. How could it possibly be a waste when it wasn't taking anything else's place?

This doesn't even make sense.

"How was it a waste of a draft?"

Because John Cena replaced John Cena. If you can't see some error in that syntax, I can't help you.

"They pick and choose who goes where?"

Yeah, and they picked John Cena...wait, no they didn't.

"If they didn't want to move many people then they don't have to."

No, they don't. No one's complaining about the number of people they moved, Supreme. There, there.

"There aren't a set amount of picks and moves."

No, there aren't...good talking point for another time, I guess?

"How can it possibly be a waste when it isn't taking anything else's place?"

I guess this is where I get really lost. When you say "it," are you still referring to the draft? I'm going to assume so. The draft can be a waste when NO ONE GETS FUCKING DRAFTED!!!! There you go. And yeah, I know people did get moved and such, but when you spend 40 minutes to get to one, and then he's like "Nah, not drafted actually, guys," then it's a waste of time. That time could have been used to build up John Cena's, I dunno, fucking WWE Title match coming up within the week?

[MIZantine Empire]

...He should change his name to R-Lie...

...you know, 'cause he's heel and stuff...

The way he attacked Morrison was crazy...he would attack him, then hug him...then attack him...then hug him...

...it's like those abusive husbands who tell their wives "You're a ho, a bitch, I fucking hate you, you no good motherfucker", and slaps her...then he hugs her and goes like "I love you...see what you make me do?"
she shouldnt have left the kitchen...

[CSL]

Yeah, but Bragging Rights and the draft are the only two nights out of the year where the split matters. The rest of the year, guys are showing up on the other show, interacting positively with guys from the other show, referencing things that happened on the other show...

They pushed the brand rivalry tonight. And this is the last we'll hear of it until it's time to build up to Bragging Rights.

Imagine that, something in professional wrestling only being relevant when it suits the current story or situation.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Again Noid, it didn't happen how YOU wanted it to, so you're mad. It made perfect sense, storyline wise.

[MIZantine Empire]

I would beat the shit out of Layla.

With my cock.
ditto, i would wear her around my face for weeks..she wouldnt even have to shower...

[Lock Jaw]

I like how the new and improved Dolph Zigglerbourne got a jobber entrance, and more generic tights.

[MIZantine Empire]

Aww, now more LayCool :( Meh, The Beautiful People are better anyways "Let the Pigeons Loose!"
there aint much i like in TNA these days, but i deff love that saying from Tazz..one of the best..

[Mr. Nerfect]

What? They have a PPV dedicated to the brand rivalry. They wrestled matches against each other. The announcers were talking shit to each other. They're clearly still pushing the brand rivalry. That is not debatable at all.

They push it maybe two nights a year. Do you actually watch, or do you just enjoy trolling?

And who picks that? You?

What? No, I don't pick that. I guess that means that all things should be terrible? Is that your point? You're making less and less sense to me as this goes on. I miss the days of feuding with KK. :(

[Lara Emily]

Wow glad I missed the drat. I read the results sounds like a meh show. What a stupid gimmick with Cena (if you wanna keep him on Raw how about you just keep him on Raw don't draft and then redraft that's just stupid and a waste of time, waste of two draft picks, yes it's fake but the show is built around the draft way to make the first and last pick pointless)

Who is the big heel on Smackdown with ADR gone? Barrett? God I hope so lol

[jkman61494]

If there was more movement between the brands tonight I would not be so irked by the Cena thing. Because of the bait and switch, we only had six draft picks tonight which is really kind of lame.

You know what I realized during this whole process though? How the WWE royalyl screwed their roster with WrestleMania season.

There are so few credible main eventers right now it's kind of scary. As some have said, Cody Rhodes right now is your #1 heel. And who can you elevate or move there? CM Punk? The Miz?

The organization HAD some stars that could have made a move or two that could have been moved into main event roles, but the WWE screwed the pooch.

The two I'm looking at are not surprisingly Wade Barrett and Sheamus.

These two guys were part of the main event scene in the WWE until they decided in the last minute to completely derail their momentum and progress so they could have Taker vs. HHH at WrestleMaina. Well that's just super.

While both guys are holding mid card belts, the two have been booked as jobbers since December. And to make it even better, HHH AND Taker are both off of TV while these two guys are jobbing it up.

Sheamus of six months ago could easily have gone to Smackdown and feuded with Christian, Orton and Kane. Today, he doesn't even seem close to that level. The same for Barrett. Six months ago, he's going over Cena at Survivor Series. Tonight he jobs to Mysterio in five minutes.

Then you get other wrestlers like Daniel Bryan and Drew McIntyre, two guys who has pretty much disappeared despite being very good wrestlers.

You also have a crop of guys like Kofi Kingston, R-Truth, John Morrison and Jack Swagger who they keep in a tweener role who are too big for a mid card belt, but not good enough to main event.

It seems they're trying to bring up Morrison and Truth now, but how about the other two? They could absolutely use Swagger right now to move up the ladder on Smackdown.

The WWE needs to repair the damage they did to their up and comers from December-April. If they can book as smartly as they did from late 09-10, then they might be ok. If not, well, then, I guess we can get excited for the same 8 guys feuding with each other until next year.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Imagine that, something in professional wrestling only being relevant when it suits the current story or situation.

Yeah, and it kinda sucks when something completely upsets that, right? That's right, kids -- inconsistency is a good thing.

[MIZantine Empire]

Seems pretty stupid to hype a guy's debut on RAW for a month only to move him to SD a couple weeks later. Might as well just have debuted him on SD
they hyped him on SD too, the week he debuted on raw he even debuted on SD as well...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow glad I missed the drat read the results sounds like a meh show. What a stupid gimmick with Cena (if you wanna keep him on Raw how about keep him on Raw don't draft and then redraft thaat's just stupid and a waste of time)

Who is the big heel on Smackdown with ADR gone? Barrett? God I hope so lol

GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR HIPPIE NERD IN'ERNET THINKING!

It'd be swell if it were Barrett, but Mark Henry seems to be getting the immediate push out the gate. You also have Cody Rhodes on SmackDown!, who with another strong victory against Rey Mysterio at Extreme Rules, could really become a solid main event threat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sin Cara moving makes sense. He can be edited on SmackDown!, he will be exposed to a larger Hispanic audience, and he's already got the rub from Cena on RAW. It's sort of like how Christian was on RAW for a little bit after ECW folded, but got drafted to SmackDown!.

But what would have been absolutely brilliant is moving Sin Cara to SmackDown!, but then moving him back before he even gets to do anything. It'd be a huge crisis for him to solve.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

They push it maybe two nights a year. Do you actually watch, or do you just enjoy trolling?



What? No, I don't pick that. I guess that means that all things should be terrible? Is that your point? You're making less and less sense to me as this goes on. I miss the days of feuding with KK. :(

I like how you're explaining your points less and less and then calling me the troll. It's cute.

Again, if you didn't like it because it wasn't compelling tv, fine. That's perfectly reasonable. But if you're just gonna play armchair booker critic and act like you didn't like it because it didn't make sense and something is wrong with the story structure, then you're just an arrogant whiny prick.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

And please, someone explain to me how it was a waste of time? I do not understand this complaint at all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like how you're explaining your points less and less and then calling me the troll. It's cute.

Again, if you didn't like it because it wasn't compelling tv, fine. That's perfectly reasonable. But if you're just gonna play armchair booker critic and act like you didn't like it because it didn't make sense and something is wrong with the story structure, then you're just an arrogant whiny prick.

I wasn't playing armchair booker critic. You brought up television structure, homie, not me. You can call me arrogant, whiny and a troll for thinking that something that was advertised and then didn't happen is a waste of time. I'd rather be that person than someone going against the grain of popular opinions and trying to grasp at straws to just stay in an inter-fight.

[Shadrick]

I personally think its ironic that Kofi's win brought Randy over to his brand.

*steps out of topic*

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh my God! The WWE Title match at Extreme Rules didn't happen! Instead, John Morrison and R-Truth had a dance-off in the Steel Cage to decide the true #2 Contender! Yay! I mean, I was interested in seeing that WWE Title match the commentators had been talking about for so long, but it was good to see John Morrison face conflict and reach a conclusion tonight!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I personally think its ironic that Kofi's win brought Randy over to his brand.

*steps out of topic*

I would love to see Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton interact on SmackDown!. I hope the WWE remembers the feud the two had on RAW. They could really start teasing something between them again.

[CSL]

I wasn't playing armchair booker critic. You brought up television structure, homie, not me. You can call me arrogant, whiny and a troll for thinking that something that was advertised and then didn't happen is a waste of time. I'd rather be that person than someone going against the grain of popular opinions and trying to grasp at straws to just stay in an inter-fight.

Oh my God! The WWE Title match at Extreme Rules didn't happen! Instead, John Morrison and R-Truth had a dance-off in the Steel Cage to decide the true #2 Contender! Yay! I mean, I was interested in seeing that WWE Title match the commentators had been talking about for so long, but it was good to see John Morrison face conflict and reach a conclusion tonight!

Staggering posts. Just staggering. My head is broken and mangled from all of the brick-wall-running (that's an allusion to a metaphor pholks) and I was only reading for the most part. Send an ambulance to Ohio. I'm going to watch 24 (4realz)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I wasn't playing armchair booker critic. You brought up television structure, homie, not me. You can call me arrogant, whiny and a troll for thinking that something that was advertised and then didn't happen is a waste of time. I'd rather be that person than someone going against the grain of popular opinions and trying to grasp at straws to just stay in an inter-fight.

Advertised by whom? The people inside the open storyline? Do you get this upset when a villain says he's going to kill Batman and then doesn't do it?

[loopydate]

And please, someone explain to me how it was a waste of time? I do not understand this complaint at all.

Using the 24 example from earlier:

Act I: Jack finds out there's a nuclear bomb somewhere in LA. The entire act is gathering clues to find the bomb.

Act II: Side plots involving secondary characters, all the while Jack gets closer to the bomb.

Act III: Jack figures out where the bomb is, rushes in to save the day... But there's no bomb. There was never a bomb. Not because a terrorist left a misleading message so he could blow something else up. There were just no bombs. Heh heh whoops. Roll credits.

After watching that, don't you wish they would have spent the first act of the episode dealing with something that was actually happening? Or do you think that first third of the show was worthwhile because in the end, LA doesn't blow up - even though he didn't actually do anything?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Using the 24 example from earlier:

Act I: Jack finds out there's a nuclear bomb somewhere in Atlanta. The entire act is gathering clues to find the bomb.

Act II: Side plots involving secondary characters, all the while Jack gets closer to the bomb.

Act III: Jack figures out where the bomb is, rushes in to save the day... But there's no bomb. There was never a bomb. Not because a terrorist left a misleading message so he could blow something else up. There were just no bombs. Heh heh whoops. Roll credits.

After watching that, don't you wish they would have spent the first act of the episode dealing with something that was actually happening? Or do you think that first third of the show was worthwhile because in the end, LA doesn't blow up - even though he didn't actually do anything?

That's not a waste of time, that's a shitty story. A waste of time implies that the time could have been better used (assuming we'd all be watching these two hours of Raw no matter what. I think we all agree our time could be better spent than watching wrestling). So how could that time have been better spent?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Advertised by whom? The people inside the open storyline? Do you get this upset when a villain says he's going to kill Batman and then doesn't do it?

You're still comparing apples and oranges, dude. John Cena wasn't FIGHTING the draft. The most positive thing you can actually say about this angle, truthfully, is by turning it and trying to present it as the real conflict of draft time -- Cena doesn't want to go to SmackDown!. That's not the story, but we'll run with it.

If you then cannot understand how this buries SmackDown! or how when Cena ends up on RAW it defeats the entire purpose of anything happening (thus being a waste of time), then I can't help you anymore. I'm wasting my time explaining it, actually.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Using the 24 example from earlier:

Act I: Jack finds out there's a nuclear bomb somewhere in LA. The entire act is gathering clues to find the bomb.

Act II: Side plots involving secondary characters, all the while Jack gets closer to the bomb.

Act III: Jack figures out where the bomb is, rushes in to save the day... But there's no bomb. There was never a bomb. Not because a terrorist left a misleading message so he could blow something else up. There were just no bombs. Heh heh whoops. Roll credits.

After watching that, don't you wish they would have spent the first act of the episode dealing with something that was actually happening? Or do you think that first third of the show was worthwhile because in the end, LA doesn't blow up - even though he didn't actually do anything?

:y:

[loopydate]

That's not a waste of time, that's a shitty story. A waste of time implies that the time could have been better used (assuming we'd all be watching these two hours of Raw no matter what. I think we all agree our time could be better spent than watching wrestling). So how could that time have been better spent?

The answer to your last sentence lies in your first: Tell a better story.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's not a waste of time, that's a shitty story. A waste of time implies that the time could have been better used (assuming we'd all be watching these two hours of Raw no matter what. I think we all agree our time could be better spent than watching wrestling). So how could that time have been better spent?

Oh wow. What's that expression that these hip, cool, ironic, internet trolls use?

*Facepalm*

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You're still comparing apples and oranges, dude. John Cena wasn't FIGHTING the draft. The most positive thing you can actually say about this angle, truthfully, is by turning it and trying to present it as the real conflict of draft time -- Cena doesn't want to go to SmackDown!. That's not the story, but we'll run with it.

If you then cannot understand how this buries SmackDown! or how when Cena ends up on RAW it defeats the entire purpose of anything happening (thus being a waste of time), then I can't help you anymore. I'm wasting my time explaining it, actually.

No I honestly don't see how it buries Smackdown. Please waste your time explaining this to me.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The answer to your last sentence lies in your first: Tell a better story.
which is...

[Shadrick]

I would love to see Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton interact on SmackDown!. I hope the WWE remembers the feud the two had on RAW. They could really start teasing something between them again.

I hope they do. It'd be incredible to see. I'd actually watch Smackdown again, even though they'd have Kofi job every time, because thats what they love to do with him.

I'm actually surprised they had him go over Sheamus FINALLY after like 2 years. But it was just for Randy to come over....lol.

[loopydate]

which is...

Additional draft picks - preferably ones that stick until the end of the night.
Extreme Rules hype?
Extra time for the matches they already booked?
Maybe we could see the other co-number-one contender for the World Title before the main event?

Pick one.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Additional draft picks - preferably ones that stick until the end of the night.
Extreme Rules hype?
Extra time for the matches they already booked?
Maybe we could see the other co-number-one contender for the World Title before the main event?

Pick one.

there's nothing inherently more entertaining about any of those options

lemme ask you though, if Cena had cut a heart wrenching promo about how much he loved Raw and how he could never see himself leaving Raw because that's his home and they really really really pulled at your heartstrings, and Miz came out and shit all over Cena saying he'd never get his chance to face the Miz ever again, would you have been ok with the switch back to Raw at the end?

[Shadrick]

I bet he knows a lot about fried chicken.

Seriously peep? lol

[loopydate]

there's nothing inherently more entertaining about any of those options

lemme ask you though, if Cena had cut a heart wrenching promo about how much he loved Raw and how he could never see himself leaving Raw because that's his home and they really really really pulled at your heartstrings, and Miz came out and shit all over Cena saying he'd never get his chance to face the Miz ever again, would you have been ok with the switch back to Raw at the end?

It would have been better. Still not crazy about the idea of using the "draft" episode to tell a story that involves using two picks on the same guy, but there's at least a coherent story there. And they sort of attempted that with the promo tonight, but I never felt like Cena was upset about the move. In fact, he seemed very excited about it.

That may come down to a fundamental issue with Cena never taking things seriously. But that's a conversation for another time. But overall that would have been a better use of that time.

[Nark Order]

I suppose I just didn't understand the point of the "drafted twice" angle. If they had done it to advance a storyline of some sort it would've been one thing, but the whole thing just kind of leaves the audience feeling like they were screwed out of a draft pick.

Even if they had played up The Miz constantly saying all night that he was finally done with Cena and that he'd never have to deal with him again, it would've been a better payoff at the end. If Miz just harassed him with it the whole night or something it would've been much more exciting when Cena got drafted back. It all just seemed like there was no real point to it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

there's nothing inherently more entertaining about any of those options

lemme ask you though, if Cena had cut a heart wrenching promo about how much he loved Raw and how he could never see himself leaving Raw because that's his home and they really really really pulled at your heartstrings, and Miz came out and shit all over Cena saying he'd never get his chance to face the Miz ever again, would you have been ok with the switch back to Raw at the end?

No, because it achieves nothing. Maybe something like that could be done if they did the draft like they did in 2005. Cena is drafted to SmackDown! this week, and suddenly it becomes so much more important for Cena to win at Extreme Rules. The two scenarios for the PPV would seemingly then be either:

a) John Cena wins the WWE Title and Alberto Del Rio win the World Titles, and thus the big belts do a brand switch.

b) The Miz retains, taunts Cena, his heat increases, Cena has some heart-wrenching story of failure to redeem -- leading to the last week where Cena ends up back on RAW, and he gets another title shot against The Miz.

[Lara Emily]

Or have Cena's team win the ME with Cena pinning Miz, have Miz brag that it doesn't matter cause after EC he never has to see hi,m again and then all of a sudden bam Miz is drafted to Smackdown, you run with that for a month or two and then put em back on Raw if you really need to.


Or don't draft him to SD in the first place one or the other. This angle was a giant excuse to have him on team SD in the night's main event. Waste.

[Tazz Dan]

FFS guys, stop acting like a bunch of fucking sooks. I can see Supreme's point, but he's being a total wank about it. And CSL is acting like the cool kid, sticking up for the other cool kid. Yes loopydate and Noid have their point of view which they're entitled to, and I can see where they're coming from also. This is a WEB FOURM which is where the IWC communicates.

Is it worth ruining a thread over? No.....

[Juan]

I'm shocked that an angle aimed at marks makes no sense to smarks.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The best part of Raw was Punk and Del Rio making out after their win.

First wrestling I've watched since WM, I do love the draft, even the gimped version compared to the multi-week draft they used to have.