CM Punk on his way out?

[Xero]

From PWInsider:

As we initially reported last night in the PWInsider.com Elite section, former WWE World champion CM Punk has not signed a new WWE deal and there's been a lot of talk that Punk is looking to exit the company when his deal expires in a few months.

Internally, that possibility has been discussed for some time but during the European tour, discussion of Punk's exit came more and more to the forefront.

According to WWE sources, Punk has been offered a new long-term deal but has balked at signing, citing burnout with being on the road for years and unhappiness with his position in the company over the last year.

As one source pointed out, Punk has been something of an "Iron Man" for the company, working full-time on the road with the exception of his hip injury needing to be rehabbed last year. At the same time, despite delivering with whatever was handed to him creatively, Punk has watched as other talents developed since he debuted ended up pushed as bigger names and treated as more important than Punk, including Miz and Alberto Del Rio.

"When you look at how the company brands it's characters, Punk is never among the top 5-8 names that are promoted or pushed," said one WWE office source. "It's Cena, Orton, Miz, Undertaker, Rey, now Alberto, etc. these days and Punk is sort of floating right under there. He didn't fit into the youth drive a few months back but he's not treated like a top veteran either. He's just there, doing his job and while everyone knows he delivers, he's never really treated like someone who does. He's never dropped the ball but we don't give it to him really, either. He's treated like a guy, but not THE guy. For a driven guy like him who's made wrestling his entire world, it's got to drive him crazy. Now, the excuse will be don't push Punk because he might be leaving, but the reality is the environment and situation is what is probably making him want to leave to begin with. Either it gets fixed or it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, just like it did when Batista walked out."

As is the norm with such situations, a new deal could be struck at any point, but as more and more sources discuss Punk leaving the company as a distinct possibility, time will tell. We'll have more when we get it.

[jskinnyg]

This would suck completely if Punk left... Hopefully not...

[Xero]

I can understand if this is the case, but it could also be a case of Punk looking to see if he can get a better deal or push out of this.

Really, Punk is one of those guys who not only has the potential to be a top drawing heel, but can really make his character work for most situations. When it works, it REALLY works.

WWE isn't in a position to lose Punk with Edge gone, either.

[Droford]

Orton will punt him into "retirement" at Extreme Rules!

[addy2hotty]

As much as I disliked Punk originally, if he really feels like that, I completely agree with him.

[JimmyMess]

Something tells me Punker would look super legitimate with that WWE Championship belt.

Moreso than the World Title. See him running the show as champion I would enjoy.

If this report is true, it does sound an awful lot like he's pushing buttons to see how far they will go to keep him, like Xero said.

[Nicky Fives]

A CM Punk/Christian feud for the WWE Championship would be very entertaining.....

[Innovator]

This would suck.

[XL]

Something tells me Punker would look super legitimate with that WWE Championship belt.

Moreso than the World Title. See him running the show as champion I would enjoy.

If this report is true, it does sound an awful lot like he's pushing buttons to see how far they will go to keep him, like Xero said.
Actually I could see Punk being the end of the "Spinner" belt. It would look pretty weird on him if he were to win it. I could see him bringing out a more "respectable" belt. (I was gonna cite that he would say that the blinged up title shouldn't represent wrestling/wrestlers but, well, y'know...).

On topic though...I don't think Punk will ever be the "go-to" top guy. I see him like a Chris Jericho or even a Christian, he's a fantastic wrestler that makes the real top guys look good. Besides, he just had back-to-back fueds with the top two faces in the company, what more could he want? I mean, aside from going over, but that ain't gonna happen.

WWE does need him though. With Edge retired, HHH/Taker as good as and the likes of Batista AWOL. Mind you, a certain Chris Jericho could very well come back and fill his spot. If Punk is playing games, he needs to be careful.

[Dave Youell]

Part of me would love for him to leave for 2 years and pull a Jericho, absence makes the heart grow fonder and Y2J's 2nd run was at a much higher level than his first, thus making him a legit main eventer.

Plus, I think most of the indy marks here would love to see Punk back in ROH to give it a rub and give it more exposure (as I don't think he'd go to TNA)

[StevieA79]

On topic though...I don't think Punk will ever be the "go-to" top guy. I see him like a Chris Jericho or even a Christian, he's a fantastic wrestler that makes the real top guys look good. Besides, he just had back-to-back fueds with the top two faces in the company, what more could he want? I mean, aside from going over, but that ain't gonna happen.

Punk reminds me of Chris Jericho when he left the last time he was burnt out and disillusioned with his position in the company, fully understandable I mean giving everything week in week out and not getting the position you deserve has got to be HARD man I mean the likes of Jericho and Punk give everything for the company. I whole heartedly believe his stock will go up if he leaves the company for a while and returns much like Jericho.

He can still be the "go-to" guy you have to remember CM Punk is just 32 so he still has a good 6 or 7 years left. The thing is though he needs to take some time out and return when he is ready.

Being the "Ironman" is commendable and all but sometimes you have to leave and let the landscape change. Return when your stock rises it will in time I have full faith in CM Punk he can be a main eventer, most veterans see the potential in Punk I think he is overlooked as a legit talent in the WWE and it's a real shame he seems to be stuck in limbo right now.

He has to do what's right for CM Punk right now not the company.

[StevieA79]

Part of me would love for him to leave for 2 years and pull a Jericho, absence makes the heart grow fonder and Y2J's 2nd run was at a much higher level than his first, thus making him a legit main eventer.

Plus, I think most of the indy marks here would love to see Punk back in ROH to give it a rub and give it more exposure (as I don't think he'd go to TNA)

Exactly this! Good post Dave you pretty much covered what I just posted. Infact I seem to remember Jericho saying this actual quote in an interview he gave it was part of his reasoning for leaving.

[Rammsteinmad]

A CM Punk/Christian feud for the WWE Championship would be very entertaining.....

A was hoping for this for a few months back before Punk moved to Raw. Would be great.

[Nicky Fives]

A was hoping for this for a few months back before Punk moved to Raw. Would be great.

The promos would be insane..... Punk making fun of Canadians being slow and Christian poking fun at SXE.....

[Gertner]

Christian has been boring for years now so it'd be Punk carrying that feud.

[XL]

Does Gerty have a new trolling victim? Bored with Daniels already? (Like everybody else, right?)

[XL]

Part of me would love for him to leave for 2 years and pull a Jericho, absence makes the heart grow fonder and Y2J's 2nd run was at a much higher level than his first, thus making him a legit main eventer.

Plus, I think most of the indy marks here would love to see Punk back in ROH to give it a rub and give it more exposure (as I don't think he'd go to TNA)
:y:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I totally get where Punk is coming from, and really this seems like a trend in the company. When a guy is legitimately fantastic at everything he does, WWE seems willing to let them do their thing, but saves the big pushes for the guys who need to be placed in the right situations in order to succeed. The thinking on this is well that guy is already super over, he doesn't need a title run or a mega push. He'll be fine on his own. That happened to Jericho, it happened to HBK, it happened to Foley and it's happening to Punk. Meanwhile guys like Batista, Cena, and JBL got pushed to the moon and got every chance to succeed because while they had the ability to be successful, they needed the help.

It's a great luxury for the company to have a guy you don't have to book to get over, but I'm sure it can get on the nerves of a guy who's watching his talents get passed up.

[The MAC]

TNA must be getting excited

[FearedSanctity]

Yeah, while I'm sure he may not WANT to go to TNA, it's really his best option. The schedule is incredibly light and he stands to make more there than in ROH. I'm sure Spike would be more than willing to throw in on his contract too. Plus, TNA does typically allow guys to work both TNA and ROH shows, so he could still be getting decent TNA money supplemented by some ROH money

Plus we know TNA's push policy on WWE guys. He'll be champ the day he debuts

[XL]

If he went to TNA I couldn't see him getting the Jericho treatment on return to WWE.

[Fox]

If Punk leaves he won't be going to TNA. He had a bad experience there last time he was in the company and I think he's way too smart about the business to go and join that sinking ship. Do you really think guys like Hogan, Bischoff and Flair are going to look at a guy like CM Punk and say "that's going to be the star of our company"? Hell no. Punk is smart enough to realize that. He might be misued in the WWE, but he'd be abused in TNA.

If this whole leaving thing does come true, I can see Punk taking time off, maybe to be at home and heal up and get back to 100% while his stock rises and the WWE realizes how much they actually need his talents. I think it's true that he's been misused pretty badly for the past couple of years. His feud with Jeff Hardy was one of the best things on WWE TV in a long, long time, mixing reality with fiction, having some great exciting matches and developing an incredible heel character. His feud against Rey Mysteri only helped to evolve that character.

He should've been brought onto RAW and given a chance to run with the WWE Title during his feud against Cena. I honestly think the Punk's Nexus storyline shoudl have run all the way to WrestleMania and it should've been Punk vs. Cena in the main event instead of Miz vs. Cena. Punk has worked his ass off and he deserves it, and he delivers better than pretty much anyone else on the roster, both on the mic and in the ring.

[seapig4]

I don't think that Punk would ever go to TNA but I really do feel for the guy a bit. I remember at one of the survivor series when he teamed up with dx and he was out popping them. He reminds me a bit of Edge in that he has always been able to get over and help others get over but has never REALLY been treated on the same level as the top tier guys.

[James Steele]

Punk is a 3 time World Champion. Its not like he has had to pick up dog shit or anything.

[Hanso Amore]

Youell nailed it.

Pull a Y2J

Take a year off and come back as the MAN. By that time Taker and HHH will be gone and he will get a much more elevated push.

[XL]

At least in theory.

And haven't Taker/HHH been gone for most of the last year as it is?

[Sycophant]

I don't blame Punk if that is his thought process. I seem to remember someone posting his record from his past several PPVs and it was horrendous. Now, I know people have said that wins and losses don't mean everything and I agree, but it's hard to be pushed when you are losing every PPV match (which are where the title matches take place.)

[Rammsteinmad]

The problem with CM Punk 'pulling a Jericho' is that Jericho left to pursue various non-wrestling roles, mostly to do with Fozzy, but throughout his entire time away he was still a loyal WWE guy.

If CM Punk refuses to sign a contract and then goes to TNA or ROH, what's to say WWE will want him back in a years time? And how do we know he'll come back as 'the man'. Didn't quite work out for Christian did it? And I doubt it's above Vince/WWE to hold a grudge like that.

[Rock Bottom]

CM Punk is great, that being said, he's very overrated. WWE won't really suffer much without him, believe it or not.

He isn't a cornerstone of any sort. I think he's one of the only good heels they have, yes, I think he's great, but I'm not going to kiss his ass about "agreeing with him" or whatever the hell is going on in this thread.

I don't like where he is in the company either.

He might just want a different contract than the one offered.

[Mr. JL]

YAY!

[whiteyford]

Didnt he sign away the CM Punk name when he signed his initial contract? Read an interview with someone else saying something to that effect, one of the reasons he didnt get a new name, or is just a figure of speech?

[Troelar]

While Punk pulling a Jericho would be nice, it would also be quite complicated, especially if he actually leaves the company. (Could he not go coach some of the younger guys for a year or something else behind the scenes?)

A problem would be that the WWE seem quite invested in bringing in newer guys right now, so while Punk leaving _could_ result in a Jericho-esque return, it could also simply mean he doesn't ever return. . . Which would suck!

[Tazz Dan]

CM Punk is great, that being said, he's very overrated.

:wtf:

[Aguakate]

CM Punk is great, that being said, he's very overrated.

LOL what?

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[RiX1024]

I'd be gutted if Punk goes, hope he goes back to ROH.

[RiX1024]

ok that didn't make sense.

[Xero]

Punk is a 3 time World Champion. Its not like he has had to pick up dog shit or anything.

This is true. While Punk has been misused to a point, I don't think you could ever say he was depushed to the point Jericho was. He's always been booked strongly (or came out of everything looking strong). A case could be made for his face run, but I think that was more of a case of WWE not knowing how to properly utilize Punk.

It's more of a case of Punk not being prominently featured at the top than an all-out burial. In fact, I wouldn't say Punk has ever been buried in WWE.

I can see why Punk feels this way, but he's been treated a lot better than a lot of guys in his position.

[LK]

I basically take any internet rumour about CM Punk with a big pinch of salt so just going to wait and see what happens before I start talking about what would be best for him and the WWE.

[erickman]

If Punk leaves he won't be going to TNA. He had a bad experience there last time he was in the company and I think he's way too smart about the business to go and join that sinking ship. Do you really think guys like Hogan, Bischoff and Flair are going to look at a guy like CM Punk and say "that's going to be the star of our company"? Hell no. Punk is smart enough to realize that. He might be misued in the WWE, but he'd be abused in TNA.

If this whole leaving thing does come true, I can see Punk taking time off, maybe to be at home and heal up and get back to 100% while his stock rises and the WWE realizes how much they actually need his talents. I think it's true that he's been misused pretty badly for the past couple of years. His feud with Jeff Hardy was one of the best things on WWE TV in a long, long time, mixing reality with fiction, having some great exciting matches and developing an incredible heel character. His feud against Rey Mysteri only helped to evolve that character.

He should've been brought onto RAW and given a chance to run with the WWE Title during his feud against Cena. I honestly think the Punk's Nexus storyline shoudl have run all the way to WrestleMania and it should've been Punk vs. Cena in the main event instead of Miz vs. Cena. Punk has worked his ass off and he deserves it, and he delivers better than pretty much anyone else on the roster, both on the mic and in the ring.

i don't rember what was the problem he had with tna before, if he goes back i can see him getting better treatment. i can see some killer fueds with the hardys, an with his old friends aj, fallen angle, and i would love him fueding with samo joe again.

[Jordan]

Okay, Punk in TNA is obviously not being discussed, but is obviously most peoples first thought after "Oh no!" or "Well, he's right" ....

Punk vs Angle, Styles, Daniels, Sting, Anderson... damn right there we got some potential classic programs for TNA....

It would be good for them, probably good for him if he wants less travel and higher status. Plus, he gets to keep the name CM Punk wherever he goes.

[Jordan]

If you work harder, more often, and better than the "best" then you should be treated as such, he's marketable as fuck either face or heel, WWE could have a "CM Punk Era" easily with the right program... which I think is with The Miz as Punk slowly turns babyface...

[XCaliber]

With Edge gone and with Orton being shipped to SD I could see Punk turning face and having a program with either Miz or Del Rio but the writers are gonna have to get their shit together and make it happen even though he makes a better heel screw the New Nexus otherwise they might as well send him packing.

[BigDaddyCool]

Punk can't pull a Jericho because he isn't at jerkico's level.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I feel Punk may be overreacting here if any of this is true. Yes, he's awesome, but what does he really expect? Does he want a John Cena run or what?

[Mr. Pierre]

I can't picture him leaving, even if I did believe it. I can't even picture him complaining about his position in the company. He's constantly on television and PPV, and he's in the midst of concluding a program with one of the hottest acts in the company.

[Theo Dious]

I feel Punk may be overreacting here if any of this is true. Yes, he's awesome, but what does he really expect? Does he want a John Cena run or what?

This. I've said it for many guys in the past who decided they'd prefer to step away: if it's what he wants to do, he should do it. That being said, it's time for me to revert to "Fuck you, Punk."

Punk has been something of an "Iron Man" for the company, working full-time on the road with the exception of his hip injury needing to be rehabbed last year. At the same time, despite delivering with whatever was handed to him creatively, Punk has watched as other talents developed since he debuted ended up pushed as bigger names and treated as more important

Let's throw out a few names here. Curt Hennig. Ted DiBiase. Rick Martel. Jake Roberts. These guys fit the same bill in their day; they were the workhorses who carried the load talent-wise. They worked their asses off too in WWE and were never a mainstay as part of the top guys; they all continually took the back seat to the likes of Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, Undertaker, and Yokozuna, over half of whom came in to take the top spots after they were well established.

I'm sure there's a difference here somewhere... oh yeah, Punk is a MULTI-TIME WOLD CHAMPION. He's been the man, and he's done what a lot of others haven't. I stand by what I said earlier; if he isn't happy he should step out the door, but he can shove this whole "wah wah I'm not a top guy" attitude straight up his ass.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Colt Cabana is one of Punk's good friends, right? He should be happy he didn't get Scotty Goldman'd.

[Theo Dious]

I can't picture him leaving, even if I did believe it. I can't even picture him complaining about his position in the company. He's constantly on television and PPV, and he's in the midst of concluding a program with one of the hottest acts in the company.

Also, for the past 2 Royal Rumbles (either the 2nd or 3rd most important PPV of the year depending on how you view it,) he's been given a chance to pretty much masturbate in the ring, and had something like 5 minutes of personal spotlight time in each.

[Vastardikai]

1 word: NEWZ...

[Dukelorange]

Shoot does every WWE star that jumps ship to TNA get a title reign? Well that just leaves Matt Hardy I guess...

[Dave Youell]

Or...

Punk could just be pulling a masterstroke to get shitloads of cash.

From WWE's POV, he's never going to fail a wellness test, he works loads of shows and makes them money.

If these rumours on him not signing are true, he could just be holding out for a much better deal, I don't know what he's on right now. But I would imagine it's the same contract he was on when he debuted and he's earnt the right to get a better fixed rate on his contract, IMO

[NormanSmiley]

Let's throw out a few names here. Curt Hennig. Ted DiBiase. Rick Martel. Jake Roberts. These guys fit the same bill in their day; they were the workhorses who carried the load talent-wise. They worked their asses off too in WWE and were never a mainstay as part of the top guys; they all continually took the back seat to the likes of Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, Undertaker, and Yokozuna, over half of whom came in to take the top spots after they were well established.

you should try to rethink this argument and try it again with some merit.


all this please punk dont go stuff am i the only one who recalls when he was given the world title, everyone bitched and monaed about how uncredible he was with the strap? punk is the best there is right now and hopefully he doesnt jet back to the 2011 version of the bingo hall

[Chavo Classic]

...all this please punk dont go stuff am i the only one who recalls when he was given the world title, everyone bitched and monaed about how uncredible he was with the strap...

He was only as good as what was put in-front of him.

His first reign involved a defence against JBL in the middle of the card and then vacating the title after Orton punted them. The other time after a stellar feud with Jeff Hardy, he jobbed straight away to the Undertaker. How is anyone supposed to take him seriously when the WWE didn't? Why not show a little more faith and have him at least defend the thing a couple of times.

[XL]

The way he was booked as champ was uncredible!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm of two minds about this. I want the WWE to keep Punk, so I hope he gets a deal that keeps him. To be honest, Punk might just want more money for going out there and bumping all the time. He's one of those guys who is almost expected to go out there and work his ass off to make guys look great, and Punk might feel that is worth more than he is currently paid next to other top guys. There's so many ways this thing could be taken out of context.

I remember reading someone talking about CM Punk when he first signed with the WWE, when there was internet speculation about how successful he could be -- and this guy said that Punk is the sort of guy who will be fine, because his goals have always been to be successful in this business and a top guy. Maybe Punk does feel he deserves more spotlight -- which I don't entirely agree with. Personally, I feel that Punk is one of the best heels the WWE has, and I think the WWE really appreciates this. Look at the rise Punk has taken, and look at the guys he's been allowed to work with. Hell, look at the freedom he's been given with his character and promos. I pretty much consider CM Punk a permanent main eventer at this stage of the game.

More power to the guy to have control over what he wants -- but I hope it's just a case of him feeling a little sore and wanting a bit of money. I, selfishly, don't want to lose CM Punk from my television screen.

On the bright side, from a booking standpoint, it makes no real sense for CM Punk to lose at Extreme Rules. With the Nexus around, they, realistically, should just come out and beat-up Randy Orton if it looks like Punk is about to lose. Right?

[Dukelorange]

I'm of two minds about this. I want the WWE to keep Punk, so I hope he gets a deal that keeps him. To be honest, Punk might just want more money for going out there and bumping all the time. He's one of those guys who is almost expected to go out there and work his ass off to make guys look great, and Punk might feel that is worth more than he is currently paid next to other top guys. There's so many ways this thing could be taken out of context.

I remember reading someone talking about CM Punk when he first signed with the WWE, when there was internet speculation about how successful he could be -- and this guy said that Punk is the sort of guy who will be fine, because his goals have always been to be successful in this business and a top guy. Maybe Punk does feel he deserves more spotlight -- which I don't entirely agree with. Personally, I feel that Punk is one of the best heels the WWE has, and I think the WWE really appreciates this. Look at the rise Punk has taken, and look at the guys he's been allowed to work with. Hell, look at the freedom he's been given with his character and promos. I pretty much consider CM Punk a permanent main eventer at this stage of the game.

More power to the guy to have control over what he wants -- but I hope it's just a case of him feeling a little sore and wanting a bit of money. I, selfishly, don't want to lose CM Punk from my television screen.

On the bright side, from a booking standpoint, it makes no real sense for CM Punk to lose at Extreme Rules. With the Nexus around, they, realistically, should just come out and beat-up Randy Orton if it looks like Punk is about to lose. Right?


Yeah... or they could turn on Punk for selling them out before Wrestlemania and get ANOTHER leader. After the thing with Cena the Nexus has really been the Black and Silver nWo...

[BigDaddyCool]

I just want to point another, being a multi-time world champion doesn't mean as much as it use too. What with there being 2 titles that will change what, 5 times a year now days? So in theory over the course of a year, you have 10 potential new world champions. Back in the day, if you were champion in the 80s, when there was 1 world title in the WWF, you might hold that for an entire year.

So saying Punk is a multi-time world champion when Mr. Perfect wasn't isn't a good comparison.

[MoFo]

Hes won MITB twice and basically given the spotlight at Royal Rumble last yr as well.

Maybe all those drugs have fucked with his head.

[Troelar]

Or maybe he just feels like he needs a break, and isn't actually trying to squeeze more money out of this?
That's not to say that more money couldn't get him to stay.

[Rock Bottom]

I'll elaborate since that made some of your brains explode.

He is a good wrestler, and he's well-rounded, but he isn't the messiah everyone makes him out to be. Exceptional wrestlers also stand out more when the writing is horrible shit.

[Jeritron]

That is a great point about how he isn't part of the new youth movment, but also doesn't qualify as a veteran. He sort of slips through the cracks in that respect.

Still, I don't think he has anything to worry about in regards to his status in the company. He busts his ass, and yes he's not rewarded on the level of Cena and Orton, but he's still pretty high up and I only expect his upward growth to continue or at the very least stay consistent in the main event/uppercard.

James Steele is right too. I see where Punk's supposed frustrations would stem from, but I don't completely agree with it or sympathize fully. At least not as an outside observer of the product and his on-screen career.
I think walking away would suck. Mainly as a huge fan of his. I don't want him gone from telelvision every week.

I also think it would be a tremendous mistake professionally. It's a bit early in his career for him to do something like that without likely pissing the powers that be off. It may concern them because of what has happened to them with Brock and Lashley, etc. and he may never earn that trust back.

I also don't think it would improve his stock, at all. He's not going to prove anything anywhere else like Christian may have been trying to. WWE knows his talents. It's not the same as Jericho leaving to take some time off from being burntout, because Jericho was sort of floundering and had already been established years prior. He had peaked, and was lingering for years.
CM Punk, on the other hand, is rising. I don't think he's established himself fully yet, and leaving now will cost him a ton of steam with the company and fans. He's over, by far, but I still think he's on the brink.
Him leaving now would be more analgous to a Jericho hiatus in 2001, than 2005.

[The Pope]

He's only 32... why isn't WWE pushing him? makes no sense :nono:

[The Pope]

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[Asmo]

Read somewhere that he's currently dating Beth Phoenix, and thus the Phoenix to Raw trade was done so that the two could be together.

If this is true, damn, Punk rolls through Divas like a bowling ball.

[The Pope]

So what happened in his match last night?