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Mr. C
05-04-2011, 11:00 PM
I was thinking about a few guys that the WWE failed to push or had used wrong and wanted to make a thread about it.
- Diamond Dallas Page: Jobbed him out to The Undertaker. Never considered pushing him. Listen to the response he gets when he takes off the mask and reveals who he is. The pop was huge, and yet he was treated like garbage in the WWE.
- Matt Hardy: There were times he could’ve been a top draw and was getting huge pops.
- Raven: He can talk and wrestle, and the crowd cares about him. He was underpushed in WCW and somehow was used even more poorly in the WWE.
- Tazz: Tazz’s debut was amazing, and within a year, he was an announcer. 2000 was a year of opportunity for Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle. There’s no reason we couldn’t be talking about Tazz on that list.
- Vader: Vader was over huge as a heel in WCW. He could wrestle and had size. Yet somehow, he never really got anywhere. His loss to Shawn Michaels at SummerSlam 1996 ended any chance, and he ended up stuck in the midcard for the next two years.
Anybody Thrilla
05-04-2011, 11:02 PM
Matt Hardy would have never been a top draw. Ever. I'm sick of people saying things like that.
Mark Henry
Christian (IN 2005 NOT NOW)
Test, a few times
MVP
*maybe* Ken Shamrock
Shisen Kopf
05-04-2011, 11:07 PM
Don't mention christian it's too soon.
BigDaddyCool
05-04-2011, 11:20 PM
Raven was stale by the time he got to WWE. How many times do we have to sit through the flock or the nest or the coop.
Schlomey
05-04-2011, 11:41 PM
Mark Henry
weather vane
05-04-2011, 11:43 PM
DDP and Tazz for sure...
Even Goldberg to an extent...
Theo Dious
05-04-2011, 11:50 PM
Raven was stale by the time he got to WWE. How many times do we have to sit through the flock or the nest or the coop.
He had the Nest in ECW, the Flock in WCW, and the Gathering in TNA. Why do people not see what a one-trick pony this guy is.
- Diamond Dallas Page
I'm sick of hearing this. Page was an old man when he started wrestling in WCW; he was getting plenty of TV time after the Invasion ended but wound up injured. Anyone who thinks he could have held the main event with Jericho, Austin, HHH, Angle, Undertaker, Rock, and Jericho around, and even the Big Show and Booker T, is fantastically deluded.
- Matt Hardy
Matt Hardy is a combination of dropping the ball on his own time and unfortunate injuries. He had plenty of chances to shine and take the spotlight, but he either got injured or fizzled out every time the chance came.
- Tazz
How many times do you jackass ECW-philes need to be reminded that Tazz himself has said repeatedly that he lost passion for the business before he ever left ECW? No, we don't get to cum unless we're blaming everything on Vince McMahon, do we?
- Vader
Vader got more time in the main event than he ever deserved. Sure, he was a great worker, but he was never the best of his time.
Theo Dious
05-04-2011, 11:51 PM
Even Goldberg to an extent...
WWE did not drop the ball on Goldberg, Goldberg refused to play unless he was the only one who got to hold the ball.
The MAC
05-05-2011, 12:42 AM
that fucking greedy jew
TheAdamEvansFan
05-05-2011, 01:07 AM
Shelton Benjamin.
Anybody Thrilla
05-05-2011, 01:18 AM
Shelton Benjamin.
Ehhhh....yes and no.
On one hand, when Shelton got those wins over Triple H, it seemed like he was ready to get on that NEXT level...
...but eventually, his mic skills were exposed as non-existent, and when the spotlight was put on him, he started botching habitually. I think the WWE wanted him to work, but he couldn't handle the pressure.
Lock Jaw
05-05-2011, 01:30 AM
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Graspbymyself
05-05-2011, 03:00 AM
Buh Buh Ray Duldley's singles run could at the very least put him over as a IC Champ.
Hakushi or Jinsei Shinzaki for you FMW buffs. Great wrestler and worker who could have been a main heel for a long time.
#1-norm-fan
05-05-2011, 03:04 AM
First name I thought of when I saw the thread title... Mr. Kennedy
Rated R, you signed up more than a week ago, right?
I ask because...http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=112547
This thread is re-done at least once a month.
And I always say the same thing.
DDP [/thread]
Rammsteinmad
05-05-2011, 04:51 AM
Someone is seriously missing from this thread.
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Rock Bottom
05-05-2011, 06:31 AM
wwe drop ball 4 daniel bryaen he is a awesame and the crowd goez nut
Rock Bottom
05-05-2011, 06:31 AM
What about guys WCW dropped the ball on, like Hart.
Nicky Fives
05-05-2011, 08:04 AM
No Matt Hardy..... If Christian can't get a decen Title reign, then I'm sure as hell Hardy wouldn't have got one....
djoutcry
05-05-2011, 08:59 AM
Mark Henry
MVP
Elijah Burke
EDIT: LOL just realized they are all african american
Schlomey
05-05-2011, 09:00 AM
that fucking greedy jew
:foc:
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I never thought that DDP was main event material in WWE. In WCW during its demise? Sure, but not in WWE with its main event talent in 2001-02. However, I think DDP should have given more opportunities in the upper midcard rather than introducing him as the guy stalking Undertaker's ugly-ass wife.
Krimzon7
05-05-2011, 09:31 AM
Mark Henry
MVP
Elijah Burke
EDIT: LOL just realized they are all african american
IT'S A CONSPIRACY
A C-O-N
I hate R Truth
They just bought a ball for R Truth and are inflating it now, readying it to be dropped.
Corporate CockSnogger
05-05-2011, 09:42 AM
Tiger Ali Singh
Next Big Thing
05-05-2011, 09:45 AM
No. R Truth's ball will be inflated half way and then they'll just stop pumping it altogether.
The Jayman
05-05-2011, 09:46 AM
D-Lo Brown
DAMN iNATOR
05-05-2011, 10:15 AM
I got nothin' so here's a vid of Khali squeezing a basketball
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XCaliber
05-05-2011, 11:49 AM
MVP
Gregory Helms
D'Lo Brown
Paul Burchill
Mr. Kennedy
RiX1024
05-05-2011, 11:50 AM
here's a random one....Essa Rios.
Smeg Head
05-05-2011, 12:14 PM
I'd start with the Big Show. Cocked him up right from the start. His stock was low when he left WCW, but WWF could of made him an unstoppable monster if they used him correctly. His debut with him ripping through the ring and attacking Austin during the Rattlesnake's match with Mr McMahon at St Valentines Day Massacre was great...then he was made to look a total goof by chokeslaming Austin through the cage, allowing Stone Cold to obtain victory. He should of cost Austin the match. Then soon after that he was destroyed by Austin on an episode of RAW. So soon after his debut and not on PPV?! Going in to WrestleMania XV, Show was matched up against the floundering Mankind. He then looks a huge doofus again by getting himself DQ'ed for choke-slamming Mankind through a couple of chairs. He then turned face, got fatter and balder, and ended up jobbing to world class piss-break fanatics like Hardcore Holly. He was never effective after that. What followed? A world title feud...with the Big Boss Man...in late 1-9-9-9?! Not a recipe for success.
Others that spring to mind? The obvious ones: Raven, Taz(z), DDP, Sean O'Haire, Kanyon.
WWF also dropped the ball and stamped on it when it came to WCW and ECW for that matter.
XCaliber
05-05-2011, 12:21 PM
Hadn't though of him initially but I'd have to agree with O'Haire with his name dropped I could say the same for a couple of his former tag team partners in Mark Jindrak and Chuck Palumbo they were both misused though.
DAMN iNATOR
05-05-2011, 12:29 PM
I'd start with the Big Show. Cocked him up right from the start. His stock was low when he left WCW, but WWF could of made him an unstoppable monster if they used him correctly. His debut with him ripping through the ring and attacking Austin during the Rattlesnake's match with Mr McMahon at St Valentines Day Massacre was great...then he was made to look a total goof by chokeslaming Austin through the cage, allowing Stone Cold to obtain victory. He should of cost Austin the match. Then soon after that he was destroyed by Austin on an episode of RAW. So soon after his debut and not on PPV?! Going in to WrestleMania XV, Show was matched up against the floundering Mankind. He then looks a huge doofus again by getting himself DQ'ed for choke-slamming Mankind through a couple of chairs. He then turned face, got fatter and balder, and ended up jobbing to world class piss-break fanatics like Hardcore Holly. He was never effective after that. What followed? A world title feud...with the Big Boss Man...in late 1-9-9-9?! Not a recipe for success.
So I suppose Show's terrible, ill-advised 2nd title run with the WWE Championship in 2002 when he defeated Brock Lesnar at Survivor Series never happened in your mind?
Scottness89
05-05-2011, 12:38 PM
Val Venis
Smeg Head
05-05-2011, 12:43 PM
So I suppose Show's terrible, ill-advised 2nd title run with the WWE Championship in 2002 when he defeated Brock Lesnar at Survivor Series never happened in your mind?
That's not the point. Look at Mark Henry, a wrestler who's never been over and will never draw money, came to the company in 1996, yet took on 'Taker at a WrestleMania and he's STILL THERE being paid to be a fat anus.
Yeah, Show won the title again, but by then titles meant nothing. He never truly made it and never will. Saying that, I never thought Bradshaw would get over but he did and get on track, very well, in 2004.
DAMN iNATOR
05-05-2011, 12:51 PM
That's not the point. Look at Mark Henry, a wrestler who's never been over and will never draw money, came to the company in 1996, yet took on 'Taker at a WrestleMania and he's STILL THERE being paid to be a fat anus.
Yeah, Show won the title again, but by then titles meant nothing. He never truly made it and never will. Saying that, I never thought Bradshaw would get over but he did and get on track, very well, in 2004.
For some guys size is everything. Not everybody can be a super-over world champ like Orton, Cena, Rock, Triple H, Austin and Taker, and besides WWE has proven over and over again that whether they're face or heel, everybody loves a gigantic monster who kicks ass.
That's why I'm hoping this new run on SD! will turn Henry back into the uber-monster heel that he was designed to play.
jskinnyg
05-05-2011, 01:00 PM
Matt Hardy would have never been a top draw. Ever. I'm sick of people saying things like that.
First of all... Thank you Thrilla...
Second, I know Tazz lost his passion for the biz, that is well documented... But didn't he have a really bad back as well and opted to retire instead of the wheelchair?
What Would Kevin Do?
05-05-2011, 02:36 PM
I don't get how anyone could say RVD was misused. Granted it took awhile, he was world champ and ECW champ, and he blew it for getting busted driving while high. His own fault.
What Would Kevin Do?
05-05-2011, 02:36 PM
And yeah, Tazz has back/neck problems and just can't wrestle anymore.
Rammsteinmad
05-05-2011, 02:37 PM
Whoops. Totally forgot this guy. Don't think anyone has ever had as much potential as him, only for WWE to screw him up big time.
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Rammsteinmad
05-05-2011, 02:39 PM
I don't get how anyone could say RVD was misused. Granted it took awhile, he was world champ and ECW champ, and he blew it for getting busted driving while high. His own fault.
Because for all that time it took to him get to the championship, he was consistantly over, consistantly putting on good matches, and consistantly thrown into shitty angles and tag teams made up of two singles guys who had nothing to do.
What Would Kevin Do?
05-05-2011, 02:40 PM
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Innovator
05-05-2011, 02:44 PM
I love D'Lo, he was great on BTR, but he was never going anywhere after the Droz incident.
What Would Kevin Do?
05-05-2011, 02:44 PM
Because for all that time it took to him get to the championship, he was consistantly over, consistantly putting on good matches, and consistantly thrown into shitty angles and tag teams made up of two singles guys who had nothing to do.
Fair enough. Although I don't think RVD was ever going to be as big as RVD fans thing he should have been. The guy has awful mic skills. He got to the main event on in ring talent alone, which is impressive.He's very similar to Jeff Hardy in that regard, and to a lesser extent Mysterio.
I think it's worse though when WWE drops the ball on even getting someone over. People like Zack Ryder, Daniel Bryan, Sean O'Haire, Randy Orton with his first title run, etc. I hate it when the potential is there, in theory, and WWE just doesn't do anything with it at all. At least RVD was on tv having great matches and entertaining the crowd.
What Would Kevin Do?
05-05-2011, 02:46 PM
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Not signing this man is dropping the ball. Just saying.
Ermaximus
05-05-2011, 02:49 PM
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/t/tajiri/09.jpg
I couldn't agree with this one more.
DAMN iNATOR
05-05-2011, 03:10 PM
I don't want to stir up anything here, because it was more of a forced situation than WWE dropping the ball, but I honestly felt that at the time he was bumped off TV, Muhammad Hassan could've been World Champ by now, possibly multi-time.
Dunno for sure though. Definitely an interesting character...too bad he won't even consider returning.
Chavo Classic
05-05-2011, 04:09 PM
I couldn't agree with this one more.
For his size and "look", Tajiri did tremendously well. He was always on tv and although he wasn't the primary focus of many feuds or angles, he got over with the crowd. Check out how many titles he won:
World Tag Team Championship (1 time)
WCW Cruiserweight Championship (1 time)
WCW United States Championship (1 time)
WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Eddie Guerrero
WWE Cruiserweight Championship (3 times)
WWF Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
It's reassuring to know he left on good terms and could come back at any point.
Lock Jaw
05-05-2011, 04:12 PM
Tajiri was an Awesome heel when he was cruiserweight champ, feuding with Rey and had Akio and that other one with him.
The Naitch
05-05-2011, 05:04 PM
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Smeg Head
05-05-2011, 05:17 PM
For some guys size is everything. Not everybody can be a super-over world champ like Orton, Cena, Rock, Triple H, Austin and Taker, and besides WWE has proven over and over again that whether they're face or heel, everybody loves a gigantic monster who kicks ass.
That's why I'm hoping this new run on SD! will turn Henry back into the uber-monster heel that he was designed to play.
But most people don't like a monster who gets his arse kicked...over and over again...in a small space of time...with relative ease. WWF/E have tried to reinvent the Big Show time and time again, whether it be by turning him, giving him a new ring attire or pairing him up in a tag team.
Don't get me wrong, Show in my opinion was used correctly when he was first brought in to WCW as The Giant. When he got to WWF he was handled all wrong (also see Chris Jericho). Show has to shoulder a lot of the blame for not being the best that he can be. He got fatter and fatter and indeed fatter. He could of been so much better in WWF/E.
As I mentioned before, just because Show won the title more than once doesn't mean he was a sure-fire success. Vince loves big men. Great Khali is a former world champion. Was/is he a success?
Many people have mentioned DDP and Raven in their lists: DDP, after getting his arse handed to him by The Undertaker (and 'Taker's Gonzo-esque now ex-wife Sara) and given that goofy yet somewhat humerous ''That's a good thing.'' gimmick, won the WWF European Championship and got a clean pinfall win at WrestleMania X8. Raven held the WWF Hardcore Title more than anyone else. Are these guys success stories?
In regards to Henry...he was just damn lucky he was signed to such a well-paid long-term contract when he started with the WWF. He and Hardcore Holly are two individuals who where pushed right down fans throats and never got over. Never. Not once. The closest Henry got to a noticable fan reaction was when he was trying to get in to Chyna's knickers during his 'Sexual Chocolate' phase. An uncharismatic 400lb waste of time, money and space.
DLVH84
05-05-2011, 05:37 PM
Tajiri was an Awesome heel when he was cruiserweight champ, feuding with Rey and had Akio and that other one with him.
The other one's name was Sakoda.
Rhyno.
He could cut a mean fucking promo in ECW, so WWE proceeded to give him zero mic time. Was an above average wrestler too.
The Naitch
05-05-2011, 06:03 PM
Whatever ever happened to Nathan Jones? Was he too green or did WWE drop the ball on him?
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The Naitch
05-05-2011, 06:10 PM
surprised nobody mentioned this guy yet
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Smeg Head
05-05-2011, 06:13 PM
Those promos with Nathan Jones talking inside a prison cell were badass. Too bad he was one of the most shittest wokers since Giant Gonzalez. He totally fluffed up a spin-kick on his debut run-in, the sequence of which had to be re-shot I believe. It was downhill from there. He did a interview backstage where he tried to come across as a dangerous psycho, saying ''tick tock'' or something and came across as a card carrying jackass.
The Pope
05-05-2011, 06:17 PM
Lance Storm to an extent.
DAMN iNATOR
05-05-2011, 06:45 PM
surprised nobody mentioned this guy yet
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Someone did, they just didn't list those promos. Not that they were terrible or anything, but they weren't anything to write home about either.
Smeg Head
05-05-2011, 06:50 PM
Yeah myself and probably someone else mentioned O'Haire. His vignettes were something special. Had a great look and could move very well for a man of his size. Then they put him with Roddy Piper which was a total mismatch. That time Piper yanked off Zach Gowen's false leg and O'Haire left the ring in shock. Such a huge cock up.
RiX1024
05-05-2011, 07:08 PM
Nathan Jones couldn't hack the WWE schedule so he buggered off but he was naff anyways.
D'Lo Brown
Paul Burchill
Mike Awesome
Sean O'Haire
Mark Jindrak
DDP
Billy Kidman
Taka Michinoku
Mr. Kennedy
Ultimo Dragon
Lance Storm
Kaval
Frankie Kazarian
Simon Dean
Too many to name.
Rammsteinmad
05-05-2011, 07:51 PM
surprised nobody mentioned this guy yet
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I did. I even posted a picture! It's at the top of this page. How did you miss it? :'(
Because he's The Naitch and usually posts the same thread at least twice.
Nathan Jones couldn't hack the WWE schedule so he buggered off but he was naff anyways.
D'Lo Brown
Paul Burchill
Mike Awesome
Sean O'Haire
Mark Jindrak
DDP
Billy Kidman
Taka Michinoku
Mr. Kennedy
Ultimo Dragon
Lance Storm
Kaval
Frankie Kazarian
Simon Dean
Too many to name.
Waht
Most of those guys had like 6587 gimmicks and didnt get over in any.
Kennedy liked teh roids too much.
Nova was fucking awesome though. Fuck WWE for giving him that ghey gym rat gimmick. Although that was a cult classic in itself.
Everytime I see this kind of thread I automatically think of Ultimo Dragon, Kevin Thorn and in particular Sean O'Haire.
Recently I would actually say the Miz to an extent.
Shisen Kopf
05-05-2011, 09:27 PM
Insert extremely dated, unfunny joke here.
XCaliber
05-06-2011, 12:26 AM
Somebody mention Kevin Fertig aka Thorn but if anything they screwed up with Mordecai they could have done so much more with him.
Aguakate
05-06-2011, 03:04 AM
LOL
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DAMN iNATOR
05-06-2011, 11:32 AM
Lance Storm to an extent.
Only when they gave him that "not boring/too serious anymore" gimmick with that shitty ass disco music and a new tron vid. Jesus that was painful to watch. :nono:
DLVH84
05-06-2011, 12:38 PM
Somebody mention Kevin Fertig aka Thorn but if anything they screwed up with Mordecai they could have done so much more with him.
I agree. He and Undertaker would've made a great feud.
whiteyford
05-06-2011, 12:49 PM
Rhyno.
He could cut a mean fucking promo in ECW, so WWE proceeded to give him zero mic time. Was an above average wrestler too.
They seemed like they were going to do something with him before he got injured after the Invasion, last ever ECW champion before the buyout.:nono:
The Pope
05-06-2011, 02:13 PM
Rhino= Great Promos :yes:
Chavo Classic
05-06-2011, 04:29 PM
<s>D'Lo Brown</s>
<s>Paul Burchill</s>
Mike Awesome
Sean O'Haire
<s>Mark Jindrak</s>
<s>DDP</s>
<s>Billy Kidman</s>
<s>Taka Michinoku</s>
<s>Mr. Kennedy</s>
Ultimo Dragon
Lance Storm
<s>Kaval</s>
Frankie Kazarian
<s>Simon Dean</s>
Too many to name.
A lot of the wrestlers above are good workers and could get jobs anywhere in the world. As far as "dropping the ball" i.e. missing a huge opportunity, I don't think you're right. There are plenty of other guys who are interchangeable with those I've crossed out.
Mike Awesome was 2 years too late for the WWE. If he had came across from ECW with his reputation still intact, and not blemished by the horrible gimmicks he had in WCW, and during the Attitude era, he really could have been something.
Ultimo Dragon is a god, and should have been as popular as Rey. The problem was that he didn't connect with WWE audience (few Japanese guys do) and at the first sign of doubt, the WWE shipped the guy out. Unfortunately, if Sin Cara doesn't start gathering some momentum, he'll go the same way.
Lance Storm was the finest worker in the world for a long period. His ability alone should have meant he was working with the same guys Eddie Guerrero was. People will always point to his limited charisma. In reality, he was one gimmick change away from being a silent but deadly bad-ass like Benoit.
I have a soft spot for Kazarian. He's one of the few guys that TNA have made into stars, and is rightfully now amongst the top of the pile. In WWE he was picking up a few clean victories, albeit it on Velocity. A total waste and oversight of a guy who by all means could have been as useful as Ziggler or Morrison are now.
...and we pretty much all agree here on TPWW that O'Haire was the biggest thing that never happened to wrestling.
#1-norm-fan
05-06-2011, 05:11 PM
Gah! That Sean O'Haire gimmick was incredible.
Also, watching that Boogeyman video makes the guys on Tough Enough now seem so much worse. lol. There's no one that even has a thimble full of charisma and intensity compared to that man. Can you imagine him in one of those bottom 3 segments with Austin!?
Testicle
05-06-2011, 05:14 PM
Tazz and DDP can't be on the list because they were so beat up.
Testicle
05-06-2011, 05:16 PM
Test in 2006. The guy was a friggen monster and they put him on ECW and jobbed him out.
The Naitch
05-06-2011, 09:02 PM
lol at Boogeyman
30
30
30!
okay I'm a liar
Autobahn
05-07-2011, 04:36 AM
Wade Barrett. He had the potential to be a solid main eventer last year. Fortunately he is still young and is only really beginning his career so he may still get there yet.
Rammsteinmad
05-07-2011, 05:20 AM
The sad thing with Wade Barrett is that like most of the other people who've been mentioned in this thread, his major chance may have been and gone.
Someone said a while back about a psychological tactic WWE use (or maybe use) in which by pushing someone, and then depushing them to make them start from scratch, it's a good time to see if that person is a team player and can handle the big feuds and the crappy going-nowhere matches.
Whilst this seems like a good idea, it's also shit, because as Autobahn said, last year Barrett could have exploded as a legit main event talent. Now with all his crappy angles he has going on right now, he may never get that momentum back. And in the world of WWE, if you're not 'performing' in their eyes, you're fucked.
DLVH84
05-07-2011, 08:11 PM
That's why if I was ever a wrestler, I would not sign with Vince or Dixie. I rather be free to wrestle to my full potential.
Anybody Thrilla
05-07-2011, 11:02 PM
That's why if I was ever a wrestler, I would not sign with Vince or Dixie. I rather be free to wrestle to my full potential.
Why would you not want to make any money?
Damian Rey
05-07-2011, 11:11 PM
I think Barrett and Sheamus are the most recent, glaringly obvious names they've had.
Sheamus being on Raw didn't bode well in the end for him. Too many other up and comers for him to try and leapfrog. Nobody was stopping the Miz, and Sheamus, and Barrett, both got bumped down.
Not putting the belt on Barrett, and blowing the whole Nexus feud with Cena, on top of basically jobbing him out and moving him to SD! killed a lot of momentum for him. He was the top heel in the company last summer. It's going to be difficult to try and build that much interest in him again. Hopefully he can get another shot this summer, as SD! is in dire need of a top heel, and I like Barrett in that role if they're not goiong to turn anyone.
XCaliber
05-07-2011, 11:12 PM
Another guy I recently thought of is Vade Hansen he didn't even get a chance.
DLVH84
05-07-2011, 11:32 PM
Why would you not want to make any money?
To me, it's not about money. That's everybody's wrong way of thinking of being a wrestler, with all the flash, fame and fortune. It's about heart, passion, pride, honor, and self-respect. Those things are more important in a individual than money. And I would not sell out my beliefs for money. I'd rather enjoy being in the Indies and around the world (Canada, Europe, Japan, Puerto Rico, etc.) rather than be somewhere you'll be unhappy with in the long run.
Lock Jaw
05-07-2011, 11:38 PM
I'd be happy entertaining millions of people, win or lose, in exchange for good money.
Anybody Thrilla
05-07-2011, 11:38 PM
Hahaha, you're a trip dude.
Anybody Thrilla
05-07-2011, 11:40 PM
I'm pretty sure that the endgame of every wrestling promotion that exists is to make money.
whiteyford
05-08-2011, 05:23 AM
I'm pretty sure that the endgame of every wrestling promotion that exists is to make money.
OCW is non profit, DLVH84 could live the dream there:shifty:
Mr. C
08-25-2011, 05:41 PM
Kizarny could definitely have been something if they’d done things differently. Made him a heel for starters. Not had him talk entirely in carny for another. Have him be WWE’s boogeyman who haunted them and targeted various superstars, just to be evil to faces and taking delight in their fear.
Anybody Thrilla
08-25-2011, 05:46 PM
I agree with that sentiment.
That's why if I was ever a wrestler, I would not sign with Vince or Dixie. I rather be free to wrestle to my full potential.
You are 100% talking out of your arse. Maybe more so than anything I've ever seen posted in the wrestling forum.
Corporate CockSnogger
08-25-2011, 05:58 PM
That's a pretty bold statement CSL.
lol I know, maybe not ever, it just kind of "gets under my skin" a bit. Been around hundreds upon hundreds of "professional wrestlers" of all shapes, sizes, levels of ability, levels of success and so forth and every single one of them given the opportunity would work for Vince McMahon/a big American promotion/somewhere to make a living, including guys who have actually been there, done it, had paychecks and worked PPV's for all of the big American promotions of the last 15/20 years and so forth. There's a reason CM Punk posts things like "Most of you are stupid" on Twitter and it's 100% because of people like DLVH and his likeness talking absolute bollocks with such confidence when they have absolutely no clue or basis for any of it (well, maybe 90%, the other 10% are probably the ones that set up fake Facebook accounts and discuss wrestling on Youtube). There's having an opinion, liking what you like, disliking what you don't, discussing it and so forth and then there is just straight absolutely talking out of your arse basically.
2 multiplied by 10 plus 1, Romeo done
Sonofanarchy
08-26-2011, 02:19 AM
lol I know, maybe not ever, it just kind of "gets under my skin" a bit. Been around hundreds upon hundreds of "professional wrestlers" of all shapes, sizes, levels of ability, levels of success and so forth and every single one of them given the opportunity would work for Vince McMahon/a big American promotion/somewhere to make a living, including guys who have actually been there, done it, had paychecks and worked PPV's for all of the big American promotions of the last 15/20 years and so forth. There's a reason CM Punk posts things like "Most of you are stupid" on Twitter and it's 100% because of people like DLVH and his likeness talking absolute bollocks with such confidence when they have absolutely no clue or basis for any of it (well, maybe 90%, the other 10% are probably the ones that set up fake Facebook accounts and discuss wrestling on Youtube). There's having an opinion, liking what you like, disliking what you don't, discussing it and so forth and then there is just straight absolutely talking out of your arse basically.
Was about to call shenanigans on "not wrestling for Vince/Dixie"
I'm with CSL
Blitz
08-26-2011, 02:25 AM
Joe E. Legend and Johnny Swinger.
Aguakate
08-26-2011, 03:11 AM
They're dropping it on CM Punk right now. Dude's HOT, the crowd loves him, yet I see some resistance from WWE's part in letting him become what he CAN become...they're definitely giving him a LOT more exposure than before, mainly because the fans have almost MADE them do so, but I still don't see them "on board" with Punk...I see some resistance to actually let him go out there and become the hottest thing since Austin.
Anybody Thrilla
08-26-2011, 03:55 AM
Was about to call shenanigans on "not wrestling for Vince/Dixie"
I'm with CSL
I called "shenanigans" on that back in May, but WHATEVER.
Captain of Fun
08-26-2011, 05:23 AM
Where to even begin in this thread. Good lord.
Captain of Fun
08-26-2011, 05:30 AM
I suppose I'll start with these shennanigans about Big Show being misused. Yeah, he was a bit mishandled his first few years, but ever since his second title reign, he's stayed in the upper midcard/main event level. Big Show is fine where he is. He's like Jericho in that he doesn't need the title, but he can believably challenge for it at any time. They need guys like that, who can switch from upper midcard to main event and vice versa at any given time.
Captain of Fun
08-26-2011, 05:32 AM
A lot of the other sane posters here have touched on most of the other absurd suggestions.
As for Wade Barrett, why the hell does he need to be champion right away? This happens quite often these days. Like any time someone gets a little hot it's as if everyone on the internet collectively spazzes out when they don't give them the strap.
I miss the days when guys fought several years or more to get to that spot. Made it so much more memorable when they did win it.
Barrett is young, and he has plenty of time. His first run against Cena was a great way to introduce him, but anything more than what he accomplished would have felt forced to me. As it stands, he was a strong obstacle for cena to overcome, and it established him as a major player in the midcard for the future.
I will admit things could have gone smoother after his departure from nexus, but there wasn't nearly enough damage done, for him to be mentioned in this thread.
Captain of Fun
08-26-2011, 05:46 AM
To me, it's not about money. That's everybody's wrong way of thinking of being a wrestler, with all the flash, fame and fortune. It's about heart, passion, pride, honor, and self-respect. Those things are more important in a individual than money. And I would not sell out my beliefs for money. I'd rather enjoy being in the Indies and around the world (Canada, Europe, Japan, Puerto Rico, etc.) rather than be somewhere you'll be unhappy with in the long run.
You'll be unhappy living out of your car for that long run.
Tommy Gunn
08-26-2011, 06:18 AM
MVP
He had a solid build for his first year, was the longest reigning US champ on Smackdown, held the tag titles and made Matt Hardy look like a possible upper-midcard threat, beat Benoit in a 2/3 falls match at WRESTLEMANIA, and then defeated Jeff Hardy clean on PPV.
Then what? Loses his push because he made fun of a drug tester, and plus his criminal record, gets fucking tagged with Mark Henry and jobbed out in random one off matches for over a year till he makes the wise decision to GTFO and go work elsewhere for a while.
Captain of Fun
08-26-2011, 06:38 AM
Guys. I think we are getting misused confused with "in limbo".
Listen. Unless you're talking John Cena, there are going to be times when a wrestler isn't in the main event, or competing for any major titles.
I would label Ultimo Dragon as misused. You had one of the top cruiserweight talents in the world, and they barely even used him. Mind you this was when WWE had a moderately successful cruiserweight division. Building to Ultimo vs Rey at Wrestlemania could bolstered the division greatly, and things might have ended differently for that title had the right decisions been made.
Stuff like Barrett and MVP. I see their slow periods as "in between oppurtunities" more than being misused. MVP would have eventually been given something greater, and Wade is already starting to bounce back.
Tom Guycott
08-26-2011, 06:46 AM
This happens quite often these days. Like any time someone gets a little hot it's as if everyone on the internet collectively spazzes out when they don't give them the strap.
I miss the days when guys fought several years or more to get to that spot. Made it so much more memorable when they did win it.
You were being specific about Barrett, but this comment is touching on something bigger.
While it may be true that "internet collectively spazzes out" when someone hot and new is on the scene, it's usually with good reason. It may look like everyone is jumping the gun on "GIVE ____ A TITLE RUN RITE NAO!!!", the inverse of that is the penchant for (WWE specifically) to push a new debut, and if he doesn't get over in a "we want t-shirts" kind of way in like the first 3 appearances, they kind of stop pushing the guy. Period. This is the feared fate of people like Wade, who was going so strong, then they just let him get lost in the shuffle and sort-of forgotten. There rarely is "slow build" anymore.
There is fear that someone like a Bryan Danielson, who became so over on the internet because he is a really gifted technical wrestler, will be given shitty assignments like wearing an eagle mascot costume or dancing the cabbage patch whilst proclaiming that he has a big penis instead of letting him do his thing and wow the crowd in a match.
Even following what logic there may be in jobbing a guy out to make him humble (insert Iron Sheik joke), why try to make someone look so strong out of the gate, then make him look like a big freakin' loser for longer? If he's that much of a loser, no one will care, and you will fufill your own prophecy.
(note: I had to abridge this- I have a couple things I need to take care of)
Tom Guycott
08-26-2011, 07:21 AM
Now that my train of thought has derailed, I found this in the Teddy Jr. thread that rounds out my point better. And, in fewer words:
He loses to Orton and since Cody says he loses one more match he'll bag him
What could happen: He turns face and enters a feud with Cody for the belt
What I think might happen: he has one blowoff match with Cody who squashes him in like a minute, then either becomes a complete jobber until he's released, if he doesn't get released shortly after the Cody match.
WWE has done quite a bit of the latter for us to completely trust they would follow through with the former. Thank you for unintentially helping me out, BizzaroKing!
Gertner
08-26-2011, 10:56 AM
99% of the guys mentioned didn't get over because they weren't good enough.
To me, it's not about money. That's everybody's wrong way of thinking of being a wrestler, with all the flash, fame and fortune. It's about heart, passion, pride, honor, and self-respect. Those things are more important in a individual than money. And I would not sell out my beliefs for money. I'd rather enjoy being in the Indies and around the world (Canada, Europe, Japan, Puerto Rico, etc.) rather than be somewhere you'll be unhappy with in the long run.
lol wow didn't see this the first time. You are a joke.
Aguakate
08-26-2011, 01:11 PM
To me, it's not about money. That's everybody's wrong way of thinking of being a wrestler, with all the flash, fame and fortune. It's about heart, passion, pride, honor, and self-respect. Those things are more important in a individual than money. And I would not sell out my beliefs for money. I'd rather enjoy being in the Indies and around the world (Canada, Europe, Japan, Puerto Rico, etc.) rather than be somewhere you'll be unhappy with in the long run.
...Who are you, Bret Hart?
"I'd never sell the Hitman character out".
They're dropping it on CM Punk right now. Dude's HOT, the crowd loves him, yet I see some resistance from WWE's part in letting him become what he CAN become...they're definitely giving him a LOT more exposure than before, mainly because the fans have almost MADE them do so, but I still don't see them "on board" with Punk...I see some resistance to actually let him go out there and become the hottest thing since Austin.
I think it's a little rash to be jumping to this conclusion.
Punk is hot property right now, that doesn't mean he has to be champ or even in the title picture. He's involved in a huge storyline that is coming along nicely and as long as he doesn't job to Nash and there's a decent payoff at the end of the angle, Punk should still be as hot as he is today.
Aguakate
08-26-2011, 02:06 PM
I think it's a little rash to be jumping to this conclusion.
Punk is hot property right now, that doesn't mean he has to be champ or even in the title picture. He's involved in a huge storyline that is coming along nicely and as long as he doesn't job to Nash and there's a decent payoff at the end of the angle, Punk should still be as hot as he is today.
IDK, I just don't see WWE really letting Punk go all-out and reach the status he potentially can reach...we'll see after Punk/Nash.
You brought up Mr Austin as a comparison, he cut his "3:16" speech at KotR in June of 96, he didn't win the title til Mania14 in March 98. He was given very little to do after that speech until his fued with Bret.
The moral of this story is...Be patient.
*WWE does something we like*
*IWC goes crazy*
IWC says "They'll fuck it up"*
*WWE maybe fucks it up*
IWC: "Told ya so"*
Aguakate
08-26-2011, 02:13 PM
You brought up Mr Austin as a comparison, he cut his "3:16" speech at KotR in June of 96, he didn't win the title til Mania14 in March 98. He was given very little to do after that speech until his fued with Bret.
The moral of this story is...Be patient.
Of course, you have to be patient with these kinds of things, but...after reading that apparently Nash was making fun of Punk because of his size...and knowing Nash is good friends with HHH, you never know...
...and the times HHH has done a promo with Punk, I have noticed that HHH kinda looks at Punk funny, as if there's some ill-will towards him, which would greatly make it difficult for Punk...
...it could just be me, of course.
In other words, I just don't imagine HHH and Nash pulling for Punk to succeed like Vince did for Austin.
I give HHH enough credit to see that he himself is close to hanging it up. I credit him with the ability to see for himself that Punk is a "Pretty Big Thing" right now. I can't see HHH being stupid enough to put Nash over Punk in 2011.
Of course, he may and you can come back here and tell me those magic words ("toldjaso"), you will look like a genius and I a fool. But where does going into the story with negativity get you?
Aguakate
08-26-2011, 02:21 PM
I give HHH enough credit to see that he himself is close to hanging it up. I credit him with the ability to see for himself that Punk is a "Pretty Big Thing" right now. I can't see HHH being stupid enough to put Nash over Punk in 2011.
Of course, he may and you can come back here and tell me those magic words ("toldjaso"), you will look like a genius and I a fool. But where does going into the story with negativity get you?
...I'm not going into the story with as much "negativity" as I am "cautious"...
I was one of the fans who when Nash came back and attacked Punk, was all like "Hell YEAH!" But now, 2 weeks later and after seeing how everything has unfolded, I'm kind of cautious...I don't really like the "flow" of things...
...but of course, we're on the same boat, dude...let's wait it out...patience. And it's not like I'm rooting for all this to fail and for Punk to be buried...
Anybody Thrilla
08-26-2011, 02:35 PM
Nash will not beat Punk. Come on.
Mr. C
08-29-2011, 07:51 PM
Raven was hot at this point. They should’ve done more with him.
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Raven is one of the guys I believe would’ve won the title eventually in the WWE. He was just in the right place at the wrong time and booked like a midcarder. The character had more to offer than steel chairs, they just didn’t know how to use him.
Can’t help but mention one of their biggest fumbles ever: Ultimo Dragon. He’s one of the greatest wrestlers in history, and anything Rey Mysterio can do, Dragon can match it, and they were foolish for not doing a Mysterio/Dragon tag team and having them feud with Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin in 2003 on SmackDown. That would’ve been epic.
DLVH84
08-29-2011, 09:43 PM
Jerry Lynn - Aside from winning the Light Heavyweight title, they never really used him that well. And editing a RVD-Jerry Lynn match? They're stupid.
Mr. C
08-31-2011, 05:52 PM
I always thought Ken Shamrock could’ve been the WWE Champion and should’ve gone further, and I’d put him over anyone in the WWE during his time, but not Mankind, Stone Cold Steve Austin, or The Rock.
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Lock Jaw
08-31-2011, 05:58 PM
BAHGAWD HE'S IN THE ZONE! HE'S ALSO BLEEDING INTERNALLY!!
RiX1024
08-31-2011, 07:07 PM
Shamrock has the look and the in-ring ability, plus at the time his MMA gimmick was unique but the guy can't speak.
Anybody Thrilla
08-31-2011, 07:26 PM
GET OUTTA MY WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom Guycott
08-31-2011, 07:54 PM
Can’t help but mention one of their biggest fumbles ever: Ultimo Dragon. He’s one of the greatest wrestlers in history, and anything Rey Mysterio can do, Dragon can match it, and they were foolish for not doing a Mysterio/Dragon tag team and having them feud with Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin in 2003 on SmackDown. That would’ve been epic.
Nah, that was his fault. He slipped- twice- during his Wrestlemania entrance. He deserved to be fired! [/sarcasm]
Innovator
09-01-2011, 03:28 PM
MVP.
Aguakate
09-01-2011, 03:29 PM
Shamrock has the look and the in-ring ability, plus at the time his MMA gimmick was unique but the guy can't speak.
I always enjoyed Shamrock's matches. Dude was pretty good. I knew he couldn't speak well, but it didn't seem to bother me back then.
DAMN iNATOR
09-01-2011, 04:14 PM
In regards to Henry...he was just damn lucky he was signed to such a well-paid long-term contract when he started with the WWF. He and Hardcore Holly are two individuals who where pushed right down fans throats and never got over. Never. Not once. The closest Henry got to a noticable fan reaction was when he was trying to get in to Chyna's knickers during his 'Sexual Chocolate' phase. An uncharismatic 400lb waste of time, money and space.
If you're out there somewhere reading this, dude, and I know you are...how does it feel to have to eat those words just 4 months later? :) Henry's been getting super huge heat from the fans ever since he started on his rampage of destruction. And as far as being uncharismatic and a 400(+)lb. waste of time, money, and space? Not anymore. Just wait until that "uncharismatic 400lb waste of time, money and space" wins the World Heavyweight Champion from Orton at NoC.
Also, wanted to note a few picks in here that aren't really legit in my mind.
DDP - WWE never dropped the ball on him, he got injured in a terrible, horrific freak accident, and his insurance company threatened to drop him from being covered if he ever attempted to set foot in a WWE ring again. He said as much here:
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Pre-match backstage w/Hardcore Holly and DDP, SD!, 4/18/02:
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DDP's FINAL MATCH IN WWE:
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RVD: He screwed himself at the beginning of his push to superstardom by being caught in possession of marijuana. If he didn't want to be thought of as just another pothead who let his career go to waste just because he wanted to be able to get high whenever he wanted "off-duty", if you will, then he would have quit the stuff while he was ahead, but he never did that.
Also, what the hell is wrong with those of you stupid enough to mention Wade Barrett? He doesn't need to be rushed to a WWE or World Heavyweight Championship run right away. He's great on the mic, he works tremendously hard to make sure he puts on a good show for the fans in all his matches, and in due time he will be a WWE/World Heavyweight Championship. Did we learn no lesson from the main events of WrestleMania 21, where Batista and Cena were both pushed to WWE and World Heavyweight Champion status far sooner than they should've been? Jesus Fucking Christmas, people can be stupid.
Now that that's out of the way, I would like to add one other name that hasn't been mentioned as far as talent who "teh E" dropped the ball on:
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Anybody Thrilla
09-02-2011, 02:46 AM
Matt Morgan is lame.
If Morrison had that title match w/ Miz at Royal Rumble instead of some random Raw, he might of been taken a bit more srsly.....being in a filler match at Mania didnt help either.
Krimzon7
09-02-2011, 06:08 AM
Morrison is afflicted with Shelton Benjamin Syndrome...he's awesome, but there's that one little thing preventing JoMo from elevating. Either Bring back Mercury, or pair him with a solid talent and let him dominate the tt division.
St. Jimmy
09-02-2011, 10:26 AM
Matt Morgan to this day is so green he shits clean energy. Seriously, fuck off with over-sized goobers.
People they really dropped the ball on:
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