The OFFICIAL Jon Jones is Ducking Rashad Evans because Suga has a key for that lame ass riddle Thread.

[Krimzon7]

That's right bitches...my fanboy love for Suga has been validated by the latest turn of events.

First, Shad backs out of the Rua fight due to injury, making way for Jones (Who Shad didn't want in Jackson's camp anyhow) to take a crack at Rua.

Then, the Internet Community crowned Jones the champ, prodding Shad to break the infamous teammates don't fight each other code. Shad doesn't take the bait.

FUCKING THEN...Jones goes exactly against the edict stated and followed by many before him and say he'll fight Evans, cause that's what Mr. Dana White wants, fucking twat.

then he beats Rua, which seemed more like a formatily.

THEN Rashad gets serious, leaves Jacksons, and goes on the offensive to make it known that he has a foot for Jones' ass.

Then this fucking twat 'gets hurt' when he hasn't been training, and he definitely didn't get hurt in his last two fights. SO HE BACKS OUT OF THE FIGHT WITH EVANS.

Then (whoa this is getting long, but STAY WITH ME...the truth is here) Evans says he is just ready to fight so he takes the next 'next big thing' in Phil Davis as a replacement fight.


THEN FUCKING THIS


http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Jon-Jones-Forgoes-Surgery-Eyes-2011-Return-32334

NOW THIS CUNTBAG DOESN'T NEED SURGERY! NOW THIS ASS DOUCHE IS READY TO FIGHT THIS YEAR. FUNNY HOW THAT'S THE CASE RIGHT AFTER SUGA SIGNS ON TO FIGHT DAVIS. FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS...JON JONES IS AFRAID OF RASHAD EVANS!

[CSL]

picture this:

http://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpg

multiply the damage by 10:

http://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpghttp://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpghttp://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpghttp://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpghttp://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpghttp://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpghttp://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpghttp://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpghttp://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpghttp://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2009/10/rashad-evans-machida-500x414.jpg

ya dig?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

So was Shad ducking Rua when he "got hurt" so he didn't have to fight him?

[Krimzon7]

CSL...did you run straight to Sherdog to find this picture? totally unamazing, considering that RASHAD took that fight after Rampage backed out, and he figured he would use the same gameplan he developed for Rampage with Machida. BUT WE WON'T MAKE EXCUSES! WE TOOK THE FIGHT AND WE LOST, BADLY. I will take Jon Jones running like a bitch and multiply that times a million. Troll status denied sir.

[CSL]

what? No trolling and I typed 'Rashad Machida' into Google. I like Rashad the fighter, I like Rashad the man. But if/when he fights Jon Jones, I fear for his safety. If you want to tell yourself that Jones is ducking Machida off the back of one instance, go ahead mane. Jones just beat the piss out of a version of Shogun (on minimal notice btw) that is far more 'feared' than Rashad by some way. Why on Earth would Jones have anything to fear from Rashad?

[Krimzon7]

So was Shad ducking Rua when he "got hurt" so he didn't have to fight him?

No, Shad was in a knee brace for 4 weeks. Rashad should've ducked Diego Sanchez during Wrestling drills...lol this wouldn't be a problem then!

But sir, I present yet more information that i withheld just for this response:
THE INJURY FOR WICH JON JONES IS 'NEEDING SURGERY' HAS BEEN AN 'ISSUE' SINCE COLLEGE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT...JONES HAS SAID THAT HE IS SIMPLY 'CHOOSING TO GET THIS SURGERY NOW, AND HE IS NOT PRESSED TO HAVE IT FIXED'.

Read the article sir.

[Krimzon7]

what? No trolling and I typed 'Rashad Machida' into Google. I like Rashad the fighter, I like Rashad the man. But if/when he fights Jon Jones, I fear for his safety.

You shouldn't sir. Rashad will beat Jon Jones, verily I say unto you.

[CSL]

You have absolutely nothing to back that up besides the 4th through 8th words of your first post.

[IC Champion]

I actually find Evans more appealing since becoming a douche.

[RP]

I'm not buying a Rashad Evans ppv. I will however, purchase a jon jones ppv.

[Kris P Lettus]

I like both fighters but you can not say that fighter A will def beat fighter B in any fight..

MMA is opitimises "any given sunday"..

[IC Champion]

Unless you're GSP or Anderson Silva.

[Kris P Lettus]

I thought about the fact that I said Silva will ko GSP after I posted that ..

[IC Champion]

You mean GSP is gonna lay on top of Silva for 5 rounds?

[Funky Fly]

GSP never lays on anyone. He always keeps working and def tries to finish fights. The problem is that he's a bit too nice guy now. I was watching his older fights around UFC 129 and he used to just not give a shit. If he kept it standing he kicked your ass hard. If he took it to the ground as soon as he got dominant positions he'd lock the most brutal submission he had from that position and cranked the fuck out of it. The shit with Dan Hardy, while classy, was stupid. If Hardy is going to be dumb enough to fuck up his arm/shoulder and risk ending his career by not tapping, that's his own fault. GSP should have held it longer.

[IC Champion]

I believe GSP tried to rip his arm from his body, just didn't use the proper technique.

[Krimzon7]

You have absolutely nothing to back that up besides the 4th through 8th words of your first post.
And you have nothing to counter any point I made but this ridiculous google image result.

and this thread isn't so much about if Evans would beat Jones, as it is about jones AVOIDING Evans!

That is painfully obvious (jones' ducking) unless JonJone fanboy love is clouding yr judgement

[Krimzon7]

I'm not buying a Rashad Evans ppv. I will however, purchase a jon jones ppv.

Very good...but how many people have rocked Rampage? sugar has... How many people have dominated T. Silva? Machida, and Suga! It's your money bro, But I wanna see a champion NOT duck a challenge

[CSL]

And you have nothing to counter any point I made but this ridiculous google image result.

and this thread isn't so much about if Evans would beat Jones, as it is about jones AVOIDING Evans!

That is painfully obvious (jones' ducking) unless JonJone fanboy love is clouding yr judgement

lol ok guy

[MoFo]

Rashad is scared of Jon Jones.

[Jura]

This thread has been...














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Gina Carano'd

[Kris P Lettus]

Very good...but how many people have rocked Rampage? sugar has...

Wanderlei Silva is the only fighter to ever truely "rock" Rampage..

Also, Rampage was very close to TKO'ing your boy early in that fight..

[Krimzon7]

Um, Krisp P... Wander lie was the only man to truly leave Rampage near death! And yes, rampage's knee almost caused serious damage... But Shad cracked Page in his Jaw, and Suga made it out the fight victorious.

Now that I'm thinking about it, that was the most brutal Pride KO I've ever seen...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Very good...but how many people have rocked Rampage? sugar has... How many people have dominated T. Silva? Machida, and Suga! It's your money bro, But I wanna see a champion NOT duck a challenge


lol how many top contenders at 205 have split decisioned Michael Bisping, and drawn with Tito Ortiz (out of sheer luck)

[Krimzon7]

Rashad is scared of Jon Jones.

Rashad isn't faking injuries and surgeries. Jon jones is.

[Krimzon7]

lol how many top contenders at 205 have split decisioned Michael Bisping, and drawn with Tito Ortiz (out of sheer luck)

The same amount of fighters that brutally finished Chuck Liddell, AND Forrest Griffin.

[Krimzon7]

lol ok guy

Lol, right.

[IC Champion]

Even if he is ducking him, how long can he really do it? If Evans beats Davis, which he should, then he's in line for a shot, come on, this is just ridiculous.

[IC Champion]

The same amount of fighters that brutally finished Chuck Liddell, AND Forrest Griffin.

To be fair, a stong breeze could finish Chuck Lidell, and a slightly stonger one would finish Forrest.

[Kris P Lettus]

Um, Krisp P... Wander lie was the only man to truly leave Rampage near death! And yes, rampage's knee almost caused serious damage... But Shad cracked Page in his Jaw, and Suga made it out the fight victorious.

Now that I'm thinking about it, that was the most brutal Pride KO I've ever seen...

I like Rashad but you are coming off as a complete dickrider..

I mean, I'm a huge Rampage mark so I could make similar arguments about him.. Like, who is the only guy to KO Liddell and Wandy??

Rashad has been KO'd in UFC while Rampage's only two losses since coming to the UFC were both close decisions..

(p.s. I realize Shogun TKO'd him but that was with soccer kicks, which would destroy anyone)

[Kris P Lettus]

On that last thought, I think when Rampage beats Hamill and if Shogun beats whoever they give him next, that would be an awesome rematch which should be for a contender spot..

[Krimzon7]

To be fair, a stong breeze could finish Chuck Lidell, and a slightly stonger one would finish Forrest.

IC, before Rashad, nobody was putting Chuck away, like that. Rashad was the first of the brutal Iceman KO's

[IC Champion]

I thought Rampage KO'd him first.

[Krimzon7]

I like Rashad but you are coming off as a complete dickrider..

I mean, I'm a huge Rampage mark so I could make similar arguments about him.. Like, who is the only guy to KO Liddell and Wandy??

Rashad has been KO'd in UFC while Rampage's only two losses since coming to the UFC were both close decisions..

(p.s. I realize Shogun TKO'd him but that was with soccer kicks, which would destroy anyone)


You could make similar arguments. You do realize that I only made the statement in response to Dale...right? I'm a serious fan of Page as well. A rematch between Rua and Jackson will be Epic. Unless I missed something, Rua/Griffin II is set for UFC Rio

[Krimzon7]

I thought Rampage KO'd him first.

Right. Page got him first. Then a loss to jardine...then a win, then the streak.

[Kris P Lettus]

From Rampage's Fight Finder page:

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr align="center"><td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30">Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Chuck Liddell (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Chuck-Liddell-192) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 71 - Liddell vs. Jackson (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-71-Liddell-vs-Jackson-4993) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">5/26/2007 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1:53 </td></tr></tbody></table>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr align="center"><td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Loss </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Rashad Evans (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Rashad-Evans-10200) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">KO (Punch) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 88 - Breakthrough (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-88-Breakthrough-7837) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">9/6/2008 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">2 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1:51 </td></tr></tbody></table>

From Chuck's Fight Finder page..

Just look at the dates..

[Kris P Lettus]

IC beat me to it..

[Krimzon7]

Even if he is ducking him, how long can he really do it? If Evans beats Davis, which he should, then he's in line for a shot, come on, this is just ridiculous.

Is it? Hmm, when the dust settlesRampage, Rua, Griffin, Franklin, and even Machida could all have viable stakes to the crown. How ridiculous was it for Tito Ortiz to duck Liddell for so long? It has happened in the sport before.

[Krimzon7]

Hell, I beat you to it.

[Kris P Lettus]

You could make similar arguments. You do realize that I only made the statement in response to Dale...right? I'm a serious fan of Page as well. A rematch between Rua and Jackson will be Epic. Unless I missed something, Rua/Griffin II is set for UFC Rio

I knew he had a fight lined up but couldn't remember who it was with..

Prolly give Machida a gay ass "rubber match" with Shogun before they do a Page/Shogun rematch..

Would be immense though..

:'(

[IC Champion]

Tito Ortiz was a much bigger draw, and held much more bargaining power than Jones ever will. Ortiz is still probably a bigger draw.

[IC Champion]

Also, Ortiz and Chuck did fight, didnt they? This is more a coincidence then anything, now if there were more facts to base this on more than the one fight, I think it's just outlandish to say he's ducking him. Rashad probably doesn't believe it, or maybe he does, but I'm guessing this is more him playing mind games then anything.

[Kris P Lettus]

Talk about "ducking fights" and Tito Ortiz's name is sure to come up..

[Krimzon7]

I knew he had a fight lined up but couldn't remember who it was with..

Prolly give Machida a gay ass "rubber match" with Shogun before they do a Page/Shogun rematch..

Would be immense though..

:'(


Let's all hope not. But in a title elimiator, that makes sense...I would much rather see Rua Dismantle Griffin then the Rampage Rematch.

Holy shit, that would be awesome.

[Krimzon7]

Also, Ortiz and Chuck did fight, didnt they? This is more a coincidence then anything, now if there were more facts to base this on more than the one fight, I think it's just outlandish to say he's ducking him. Rashad probably doesn't believe it, or maybe he does, but I'm guessing this is more him playing mind games then anything.

Coincidence? After I have carefully researched and presented to you a body of facts? :foc:


Seriously, this is PURELY COINCIDENCE. I GET IT!!! I mean, who would schedule an optional surgery, only to back out and not need it right after the opponent signs a replacement fight? Niggas wouldn't do that just to avoid fighting somebody who knows all the tricks in my arsenal...:roll:

[IC Champion]

From what I read, he was told by several doctors he needed surgery, and then before he was to have said surgery the surgeon, or a doctor decided that surgery wasn't nessicery.

[IC Champion]

Again, when he ducks him two or three more times, then it's not just a crazy conspiracy.

[IC Champion]

And I'm pretty sure this is the same guy who has no problem with Nick Diaz ducking wrestlers, though I could be wrong.

[CSL]

Again, when he ducks him two or three more times, then it's not just a crazy conspiracy.

Seriously. By the 'evidence' presented, Brock's ducking JDS and ducked Carwin, Velasquez is currently ducking everybody, Rashad ducked Shogun, Mark Coleman ducked Tito, Forrest ducked Little Nog and so on. I did enjoy putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with sausages based on reading an article/some MMA news being described as a 'carefully researched body of facts' though.

[CSL]

And before you mention the surgery and then not having it, it's irrelevant. One injury, one postponed fight is what your entire argument is based on. Professional athletes back out of scheduled surgery, take on 2nd opinions etc all the time, in plenty of sports. If Jones had avoided fighting him over and over, or even if he had some kind of questionable character/past, then maybe. But this is merely fanboy-ism taken to the extreme.

[IC Champion]

Well now you're just going and trying to be logical...

[IC Champion]

Krimzon probably thinks Sonny Liston is still ducking George Chuvalo.

[CSL]

that would be an amazing story though

LISTON LIVES!

[Krimzon7]

And before you mention the surgery and then not having it, it's irrelevant. One injury, one postponed fight is what your entire argument is based on. Professional athletes back out of scheduled surgery, take on 2nd opinions etc all the time, in plenty of sports. If Jones had avoided fighting him over and over, or even if he had some kind of questionable character/past, then maybe. But this is merely fanboy-ism taken to the extreme.

You are so quick to dismiss what I'm saying as fan boy logic. Cain had surgery. lesnar had a disease. JON JONES HAS A HAND...WHATEVER....THAT HE HAS HAD SINCE COLLEGE. HE SAID HIMSELF, HE DIDN'T NEED SURGERY BUT HE WAS CHOOSING TO GET IT FIXED. When this came out...cool, whatever. But as soon as the fight with Evans/Davis is inked, this guy pops up and is ok? It is a miracle! He doesn't need to have the elective surgery. But whatever, this is the second 'questionable' thing that has come up against Jones. I'm sure we could go another 3 pages with you asses defending him breaking Team Jackson's code too...

[IC Champion]

I'm not defending Jones, so much as I am being rational. I actually hope Evans wins. I'm not a some Jones fanboy or anything.

[CSL]

You are so quick to dismiss what I'm saying as fan boy logic. Cain had surgery. lesnar had a disease. JON JONES HAS A HAND...WHATEVER....THAT HE HAS HAD SINCE COLLEGE. HE SAID HIMSELF, HE DIDN'T NEED SURGERY BUT HE WAS CHOOSING TO GET IT FIXED. When this came out...cool, whatever. But as soon as the fight with Evans/Davis is inked, this guy pops up and is ok? It is a miracle! He doesn't need to have the elective surgery. But whatever, this is the second 'questionable' thing that has come up against Jones. I'm sure we could go another 3 pages with you asses defending him breaking Team Jackson's code too...

I wasn't 'quick to' at all. I've read everything you've had to say. And you've done nothing but repeat the same thing over and over. And it still defies logic and rationale. Everything you say is based strictly on your own speculation, wishful thinking and probably Rashad's yapping on Twitter/social media.

[Krimzon7]

So, when Jones camp says he will fight again in 2011, but he won't fight Evans, what is that?

[Krimzon7]

I wasn't 'quick to' at all. I've read everything you've had to say. And you've done nothing but repeat the same thing over and over. And it still defies logic and rationale. Everything you say is based strictly on your own speculation, wishful thinking and probably Rashad's yapping on Twitter/social media.

Well, you have certainly told me. So, to dismiss recognizing a pattern of events as speculation is rationality and logic?
Lol, whatever man...Again, when Jon jones steps up, and says bring Rashad Evans head to me...

[CSL]

You're still talking about a 'pattern of events'. And it is still only one instance. When it happens again and again and actually becomes something resembling a pattern, head to me (and everybody else in this thread)

[Krimzon7]

Jesus, so now that jones is back and able to fight, why is his publicist saying he won't fight Evans? Or, does this not register on you radar as an instance?

[Krimzon7]

And not once have I refrenced rashad Evans twitter, or statements that he made. I have mentioned events and suspicious actions that Jon Jones have made

[CSL]

Well for a start Rashad already has another fight lined up. If I was Jones, I'd be taunting Rashad and winding him up already about the fact he could very well lose to Phil Davis. And Jones isn't cleared to train/fight until June 8th or 11th or something. Why would he rush through an 8 week camp having just won a title in a fight in which he rushed through another camp to set up a fight with somebody that knows a bit about him in potentially the biggest and definitely the most personally involved fight of his career? That would be an utterly stupid thing to do and he would be doing himself a disservice. And Jones has already said himself that as soon as he gets back training, it'll be for Rashad. It is as if you are ignoring common sense and sprinting between launch pads so you can keep jumping to conclusions.

[Next Big Thing]

I think Bones' manager just handled this very badly. Jones did say some conflicting things about the injury and Kawa's tweets and interviews didn't really clear up anything. If Matt Mitrione fires your manager on national television, you should probably find better representation. I can see why Shad would be pissed.

At the same time, I don't think anyone can question Jon Jones' heart. I'm a Rashad Evans fan too, but Jones took a fight with Shogun on the spot and I don't think he even thought he'd run through him the way he did. I don't think Jones is ducking Suga.

[CSL]

For sure conflicting stuff doesn't help matters but that stuff happens in all forms of sports and entertainment with how easy it is for people to have a voice nowadays and report 'facts'. I doubt Rashad even believes himself that Jones is ducking him, my guess is he's hyping the fight, trying to wind Jones up or both of the above.

[Next Big Thing]

Definitely agree with that. It's just with so many people having a voice, you'd think his manager would be the voice of reason. This guy just keeps fucking up. His twitter page is him talking about "Haters" and going back and forth with 15 year olds. You'd never see legit sports agents like Scott Boras or Drew Rosenhaus doing crap like that.

[The Mask]

if rashad even could get near jones in a fight i would be amazed. i will bet any of you good money jones beats rashad when that fight happens.

[IC Champion]

if rashad even could get near jones in a fight i would be amazed. i will bet any of you good money jones beats rashad when that fight happens.

I wont be, Rashad has very good wrestling, and excellent takedowns, and changes levels about as well as anyone. Not to mention his boxing is very good, and is better than Jones', and Evans footwork has also been improving.

[IC Champion]

On paper Evans has alot of advantages over Jones, now it's up to how he overcomes the size and reach disadvantage.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He also hasn't fought in a long fucking time. The Davis fight serves as good prep for him.

[Next Big Thing]

I think seeing Jones and Evans as coaches on TUF would be intriguing in so many ways.

[Kris P Lettus]

I hope he doesn't sleep on Davis cause that guy's wrestling is beast mode activated..

[BollywoodSingh]

Speaking of Rashad Evans, I met him at a club in Toronto back in August/September. I saw him get rejected by like 6-7 different girls he tried to dance with. It was funny. I thought UFC fighters could get any chick they wanted.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

This article is a pretty good read. I really don't think Jones is "ducking him" anyway. Makes no sense.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/23598/ufc-champ-jones-declines-surgery-could-still-face-evans-before-years-end.mma

[Jura]

Is Jon Jones ducking John Jones?

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[CSL]

Krimzon7's gone awfully quiet.

[Kris P Lettus]

Kinda hard to type while coddling Rashad's testicles..

[Krimzon7]

What else is there to say? I see what I see, you see (or dont) see whatever you believe. I am still looking for another jumping pad, whatever the fuck that is.

Jones/Evans TUF could be cool, but that would only further delay the fight, that I still believe Jones doesnt want. We will allow this dramedy to play out and WHEN Jones further displays his yellow streak, I will start the official I told u jones was ducking shad now get in line to suck my dick thread

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol ur a clown. Be a real MMA fan and stop hugging nuts so god damned hard.

[Funky Fly]

Krimzon, look man. You're entitled to your opinion and all, but you just need to dial down the fanaticism a bit because you're approaching this territory right here:

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[Krimzon7]

I AM a real MMA fan, I've got my tap out t shirts, and I train UFC everyday. Anyhow, I guess I can put Shad's nuts down long enough to say that it boggles me how Machida can go from potentially cut from the UFC, to crane kicking his way to a 50/50 (w/rampage) for an October title fight. Thiago Silva is somewhere pissed :shifty: that he couldn't get a better fake pee sample!

[Krimzon7]

Additionally, I don't care how I come off as. I know what I'm saying isn't popular, and I hope I'm wrong. I hope jj can grow a set and fight rashad. Oh, wait...I see a jump pad.

[Krimzon7]

I hope he doesn't sleep on Davis cause that guy's wrestling is beast mode activated..

You know Davis has good wrestling... But then what? His striking is still evolving, and his submissions are ok. I hope he is working dilligently on that before this fight.

[Kris P Lettus]

His submissions are sick..

He got Tim Boetch with a kimura and Alexander Gustofson with a choke he invented himself...

[Kris P Lettus]

Rashad has never subbed anyone in the UFC..

FYI

[Next Big Thing]

I AM a real MMA fan, I've got my tap out t shirts, and I train UFC everyday. Anyhow, I guess I can put Shad's nuts down long enough to say that it boggles me how Machida can go from potentially cut from the UFC, to crane kicking his way to a 50/50 (w/rampage) for an October title fight. Thiago Silva is somewhere pissed :shifty: that he couldn't get a better fake pee sample!

Not gonna lie, I'd mark out pretty big for Jon Jones v. Rampage Jackson. Jones/Machida... not so much. If Hamill beats Rampage, I think he'd get the nod as #1 contender for a title match, if only for Jones to avenge his "loss."

[Crimson]

Yea..Hamill would pee his panties if he was asked to sign a rematch with Bones, he almost got murderd last time

[IC Champion]

His submissions are sick..

He got Tim Boetch with a kimura and Alexander Gustofson with a choke he invented himself...

I don't know see Davis submitting Evans, or probably even controlling Evans on the ground.

[IC Champion]

I see Evans holding grappling advantage when they step in the cage. Just watch Evans takedown Rampage, the way he sets up his takedowns with combo's and then effortlessly changes levels for the takedown. By the time Rampage was looking to counter and take Evans head off, Evans already had his waist and hips and was driving him to the mat.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah but I'd venture that Jon Jones is a better wrestler than Rampage. Since Rampage has been at Wolfslair, his wrestling has been less than threatening. Jones is kind of a mystery every time he goes in there, noone knows QUITE how good his wrestling is just yet, but up to this point, he's been extremely dominant with it. I don't think Rashad could outgrapple Matt Hamill the way Jon Jones did, for instance.

[IC Champion]

I wasn't referring to Jones, but that wouldn't surprise me either.

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't know see Davis submitting Evans, or probably even controlling Evans on the ground.

I didn't say he would.. just saying he has sub wins while Rashad doesn't..

[Jura]

Is Jon Jones ducking The Rapture?

[CSL]

The Rapture ducked Jon Jones. At least that's what I'll believe until The Rapture shows up. Sure hope The Rapture grows a set.

[Krimzon7]

Rashad has never subbed anyone in the UFC..

FYI

I never said he did, FYI.

[Krimzon7]

Jones/Rampage would be a great match. Page pretty much flew his crew to his house to train for Machida and Hamill. He looked so much better against machida, it will be interesting to see how he looks Saturday.

CSL, I swear, you will be seeking my permanent banning when I say I told you so every day for a year after jones finds another way outta fighting Rashad.

[Krimzon7]

Did the rapture back out of an optional surgery for an injury that it had fought with since college? There's a lot of that going around...

[CSL]

Your permanent banning? That sounds kinky.

[CSL]

Did the rapture back out of an optional surgery for an injury that it had fought with since college? There's a lot of that going around...

Nah mane, The Rapture merely tricked some really easily led people into believing something seemingly preposterous was fact when the rest of the world could see it was actually quite laughable.

[Krimzon7]

CSL as much as you claim that I'm a nutthugging fanboy, you have to be suckling from the teet of the Jon jones/UFC hype machine. If three outta four doctors told my employee to get surgery...he would get goddam surgery. But I'm jumping to conclusions, just like the doctors. Im also jumping to conclusions to question the auspicious timing of all of these events too.

[Next Big Thing]

I'm telling you Krim, the only reason this is an issue is because Malki Kawa is a dumbass who has no idea about public relations. He's the one who's been contradicting himself like a bumbling fool.

As outspoken as Dana White is about everything, I think there's a reason why he hasn't said anything at all about this. It's because it's not an issue. Hopefully Bones gets a real agent so he can capitalize on his success.

[CSL]

Dana did say something about it, about it being absurd to suggest he faked an injury because all injuries including Jones' are checked by UFC doctors in Vegas as well as any personal ones or something like that

[Next Big Thing]

All Dana said was nobody lies about their injuries because the UFC flies them out to see their doctor. One doctor.

I was referring to the fact that Dana hasn't backed up Kawa's claim that Jones saw four UFC doctors, three of whom suggested surgery that a fourth one somehow didn't think was necessary the day before the surgery was to take place, but still interestingly enough after the fight was already cancelled and Rashad had a new opponent.

Kawa is an idiot and a liar who has made Jones look like a liar or at least a fool for having him as his manager.

Jones was given an INDEFINITE medical suspension three days after the Rua fight pending X-rays, an MRI and orthopedic clearance of his right hand. This was on March 23rd. According to Kawa back in April,

"The week after the fight with 'Shogun' went by, his hand started to feel a little bit better. The UFC immediately had the hand X-rayed because they thought it might be broken, and the results came back negative. He was told just to rest the hand, and it would probably get better. Unfortunately, the pain remained, and even shaking people's hands was starting to hurt him very badly. He told me how bad it was hurting, and I was in the middle of discussion with the UFC for the Rashad Evans fight, which was expected to take place in Philadelphia."

Why would the UFC set a specific date for the Evans fight if they didn't have reason to believe their new poster boy would be 100% healthy and clear for reinstatement? And if you're this guys agent and your client has told you his hand is still really bothering him while you're still in preliminary discussions, why wouldn't you inform the UFC then and pull the plug on the fight instead of letting them announce the fight and put your client in a position where he may have to pull out of a fight he may or may not have been able to take anyways?

As far as the doctor issue goes, back in April when Jones withdrew Kawa said,

"Jon wanted to fight the fight with a torn ligament, but I was completely against it," Kawa said. "We called a bunch of doctors all across the country – people that he knew, people that I knew – and all the doctors confirmed the same thing: If he's got a torn ligament in his hand, then he needs surgery or it will not heal correctly. At 23 years old, Jon is talking about taking cortisone shots and trying to deal with it as best as he could without really repairing it."

So were these UFC referred doctors Jones had to be dragged kicking and screaming to go see as Kawa is saying now, or were these doctors that him and Jones actively sought out and called for advice as he said back in April before people started accusing Jones of ducking Rashad?

http://mmajunkie.com/news/23373/manager-if-it-was-up-to-jon-jones-hed-still-be-fighting-at-ufc-133.mma

Kawa got caught in his own web of lies and is making Jon Jones look as dumb as he is.

[Krimzon7]

I'm telling you Krim, the only reason this is an issue is because Malki Kawa is a dumbass who has no idea about public relations. He's the one who's been contradicting himself like a bumbling fool.

As outspoken as Dana White is about everything, I think there's a reason why he hasn't said anything at all about this. It's because it's not an issue. Hopefully Bones gets a real agent so he can capitalize on his success.

Being honest...I know marketing is pure spin, and this is just a good example of poor info management/damage control. This also is a great indicator of how "behind the times" MMA management is. I think jones would benefit well from assessing his management team, ESP if Matt mitrione would fire this douche!

[KillerWolf]

i dont know whether to take this thread seriously or not, K7. i think probably not. it seems like self-deluted homer-talk. and i am a Rashad Evans fan. in fact Rashad is my favorite UFC fighter (and has been since he kicked Mike Whitehead's ass on TUF-2), and anyone else is a distant second. i never have and never will understand the undying negativity towards this fighter who has consistently smashed all expectations, and frankly, when most people say shit like "Forest Griffin or [insert fighter] is going to destroy Rashad" or otherwise make a statement to the effect that Rashad isn't at the very highest level of elite fighters, those people are also (transparently, at this point) wilfully deluting themselves. and one other point on behalf of Rashad Evans: NOBODY; N-O-B-O-D-Y...deserves a title shot more than Rashad Evans. NOBODY. it's his shot.

having said that, the nature of this thread is ludacris, and overtly contrary. you gotta believe going into this that Jon Jones is a heavy favorite to win this fight. i will be going for Rashad, but i understand that the short money would have to be on Jon Jones.

the way i see it, these are how the advantages line up:

JONES:

physicallity: 84" reach. couple that with:
striking: very unorthodox, yet highly effective striker, and:
wrestling: crazy takedowns, and when Jones takes you down, he can keep you down - whereas Rashad has had some difficulty keeping some fighters down.

EVANS:

speed: advantage Evans.
athletesism: i give a slight advantage to Rashad (historically, anyway) but when it comes to endurance, i think both Rashad and Jones fade a bit in later rounds.
power: one puch knock out power
experience: yes, Jones has destroyed everyone he's faced. yes, i do think Rashad has faced tougher opponents - and won. yes, i DO think Rashad too would have beaten the Shogun that showed up to fight Jon Jones.

*possible factor in favor of Jones: they've trained together, so they know each other, but Jones currently trains at the camp from which Rashad has been displaced, where he had trained for years. Greg Jackson probably knows more about Rashad Evans than Rashad Evans or anyone else knows about Jon Jones.

anyway, yes, i understand that it gets frustrating that so many people, for whatever reasons, fail to give our favorite fighter the recognition and the respect that he deserves, but when you come out with a thread like this, you sound almost as bad as the Rashad haters. Jon Jones isnt "ducking" Rashad. its actually a leap of logic to come to that conclusion.

[Krimzon7]

What started as a comedy-ish thread got outta control. I kept it going. In fairness, Inexperience goes out the window when u haves JJ tools. I think shad has the recipe to take jones down, and make the fight uncomfortable for the champ. How does jones look off his back? How does Jon jones handle somebody just as quick, who don't give a damn about respecting his striking? Shad will make him answer these questions.

[CSL]

Rashad isn't going to respect somebodies like Jon Jones' striking? With that chin? Come on guy.

[Krimzon7]

Not saying anything about his fucking chin! Rashad will push a pace on Jon jones ... Wh don't you tell me what to say CSL

[CSL]

You insinuated Rashad won't respect his striking. Those are your words, right up there ^ If that is the case, he probably gets knocked the fuck out. That is the only point I was trying to make. There's no need to start crying because people keep calling you out on the daft parts of your posts. That is merely what happens when your posts contain daft things. Calm down sweetheart.

[Krimzon7]

It's my fault. I need to make sure that the most novice, retarded,asinine poster,read: CSL, can understand my post. When somebody you routinely sparred with hits you, it's no surprise in their power. There is no need to feel them out, you know what their arsenal of attacks feel like. To this date, nobody can say that they have had thatadvantagge against Jon jones. Rashad has sparred with Jones, when Jon jones was swinging from the hip. He knows the power, it's not to say Evans will walk in chin up hands down. It IS to say, the extra confidence can be a vital edge for Rashad.

I get the breakdown in communication now!

[Kris P Lettus]

But Jones has the same advantage in that he has sparred with Shad..

[The Mask]

you do realise when throwing knees/elbow (ie./ jones' bestest standing weapons.. and probably ground for elbows too) the tendency is to hold back a shitload or pad the absolute fuck out of everything, right? otherwise rashad would have walked out of sparring looking like monica bellucci after the subway scene in irreversible.

[CSL]

It's my fault. I need to make sure that the most novice, retarded,asinine poster,read: CSL, can understand my post. When somebody you routinely sparred with hits you, it's no surprise in their power. There is no need to feel them out, you know what their arsenal of attacks feel like. To this date, nobody can say that they have had thatadvantagge against Jon jones. Rashad has sparred with Jones, when Jon jones was swinging from the hip. He knows the power, it's not to say Evans will walk in chin up hands down. It IS to say, the extra confidence can be a vital edge for Rashad.

I get the breakdown in communication now!

lol fucking hell, you really are a silly boy. If that was what you meant with your post, that is what you should have written. Instead you wrote that Rashad isn't going to respect his striking. Which is absolute bollocks. And is absolutely not the point you have made here. If anything, everything you wrote there suggests that Rashad very much will respect his striking because he knows what Jones can do. If anything, it's something more for Rashad to be wary of, especially after what Jones did to Shogun, as opposed to being 'extra confidence'. But please, continue inserting your tongue into another man's anus, I'd like to see what other Rashad pearls of wisdom you can come up with.

[CSL]

And what Thee Mask says

[Krimzon7]

If you hit me with everything you have, AND IT FUCKING DOES NOT PHASE ME, and I can proceed to work my offense and get the better of you in a round, why the fuck would I be wary of your striking? Rashad has gone on record saying as much about sparring with Jon jones, multiple rounds on multiple days. If he believes that, why would he cower?

Regardless, all of this is a moot point, Jones is content to face rampage or machida next, due to unfortunate booking issues. All this could've been squashed had the next GOAT had stepped up and said he wanted to fight glass jaw Evans... But he didn't now, did he? Even with the rash of injuries ruining cards, it's hard to believe Dana would deny a hyped champ requesting a match with such a rival....

[CSL]

If you hit me with everything you have, AND IT FUCKING DOES NOT PHASE ME, and I can proceed to work my offense and get the better of you in a round, why the fuck would I be wary of your striking? Rashad has gone on record saying as much about sparring with Jon jones, multiple rounds on multiple days. If he believes that, why would he cower?

Are you really this naive/gullible/impressionable/that willing to buy into every word that Rashad comes out with? I suppose that if Rashad told everybody he was quitting the UFC to take a shot at the NFL and he can outplay Peyton Manning with his eyes closed, you'd be starting a thread about him taking over as the Colts starting QB. If you honestly, truly believe that in a training session in some mythological far away land that Jon Jones hit Rashad full contact with everything he has, after everything we've seen him do to the likes of Shogun, Matt Hamill and Brandon Vera, AND IT FUCKING DID NOT PHASE HIM then you are out of your deluded mind and I've got some broken electronics I'd like to sell to you. I'm surprised you didn't attempt to sue Rashad when he claimed he was going to 'beat Lyoto Machida in the 3rd round' only to get knocked silly. He is hyping the fight, he is trying to make people believe what he is saying (maybe even himself) he is trying to wind up/agitate Jones and maybe throw him off of his game but mostly he is creating a buzz and trying to do what all fighters benefit from which is sell tickets. You surely cannot be this dense/blindly spooning Rashad's balls.

[KillerWolf]

Rashad isn't going to respect somebodies like Jon Jones' striking? With that chin? Come on guy.

he's been knocked out by Machida. he's been rocked by two heavy hitters, and admittedly, didnt exactly look graceful when trying to recover. but he did recover (both times) and went on to finish those rounds in the dominant position.

and he's only lost ONE fight.

call me crazy, but i'm not ready to assume that Rashad has a "glass chin." a "suspect" chin, sure, since it didnt look [to me] like Rampage had hit him with anything solid, but "suspect" is about as far as i'd go with that.

*edit: obviously, i'm not arguing that Rashad wont nor shouldnt respect Jon Jones' striking. just that it seems a little premature to say that a man with one loss has no chin.

[CSL]

I wouldn't say I'm ready to write him off as having a glass chin but he's been rocked more and more (and twatted silly in Machida's case and was there to be finished against Rampage and Thiago only Thiago was fucked and Rampage was throwing wildly) as his calibre of opponent has risen. And Jon Jones has already proven that he can be devastating against some of the very best/guys that don't have a "suspect" chin. It'd have to be a factor in a fight between the two.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

If you hit me with everything you have, AND IT FUCKING DOES NOT PHASE ME, and I can proceed to work my offense and get the better of you in a round, why the fuck would I be wary of your striking? Rashad has gone on record saying as much about sparring with Jon jones, multiple rounds on multiple days. If he believes that, why would he cower?

Regardless, all of this is a moot point, Jones is content to face rampage or machida next, due to unfortunate booking issues. All this could've been squashed had the next GOAT had stepped up and said he wanted to fight glass jaw Evans... But he didn't now, did he? Even with the rash of injuries ruining cards, it's hard to believe Dana would deny a hyped champ requesting a match with such a rival....

You do realize that guys don't go all out in training, right? I don't care what Rashad says, if you think guys are legitimately trying to KO their sparring partners in training, you're crazy. The only place they really train close to that hard is Chute Box I believe. And that's fucking stupid when there guys end up missing fights because they're getting ribs broken in sparring.

[Krimzon7]

You do realize that guys don't go all out in training, right? I don't care what Rashad says, if you think guys are legitimately trying to KO their sparring partners in training, you're crazy. The only place they really train close to that hard is Chute Box I believe. And that's fucking stupid when there guys end up missing fights because they're getting ribs broken in sparring.

In my limited experience training...there are Definitely times where you hold back, and you do spare your partners.... But you HAVE to have rounds where you go into deep waters and both partners understand that shit is gonna get thick. Do I believe any sparring rumors? No, I don't. But rashad has sparred with him, And rashad believes he can be that dude to expose Jon Jones.

[Krimzon7]

Are you really this naive/gullible/impressionable/that willing to buy into every word that Rashad comes out with? I suppose that if Rashad told everybody he was quitting the UFC to take a shot at the NFL and he can outplay Peyton Manning with his eyes closed, you'd be starting a thread about him taking over as the Colts starting QB. If you honestly, truly believe that in a training session in some mythological far away land that Jon Jones hit Rashad full contact with everything he has, after everything we've seen him do to the likes of Shogun, Matt Hamill and Brandon Vera, AND IT FUCKING DID NOT PHASE HIM then you are out of your deluded mind and I've got some broken electronics I'd like to sell to you. I'm surprised you didn't attempt to sue Rashad when he claimed he was going to 'beat Lyoto Machida in the 3rd round' only to get knocked silly. He is hyping the fight, he is trying to make people believe what he is saying (maybe even himself) he is trying to wind up/agitate Jones and maybe throw him off of his game but mostly he is creating a buzz and trying to do what all fighters benefit from which is sell tickets. You surely cannot be this dense/blindly spooning Rashad's balls.

Don't change the subject...this isn't a thread about how much Peyton manning sucks. I'm through trying to even explain a simple fact that there are rounds of full on, 100% sparring. They just don't happen every day. as much as you deep throat jon jones' striking, is shogun, vera, or hamill the caliber of athlete with the speed of Evans? Regardless, my cupping his balls have nothing to do with the fact that Rashad believes what he is saying. And he is willing to step in the octagon with jones (try to deny this fact). And for the myriad of suppositions, jones isn't willing to fight jonesright now. If you've EVER competed in anything athletic, you know there's practice. And you DO NOT GET BETTER IN PRACTICE IF YOU ARE BUSY PROTECTING OTHER PEOPLE. The higher up you go in any sport, the harder you have to train and practice. I'm sure that this too sounds ludacris to you too. :roll:

[CSL]

lol 'don't change the subject'. My god.

And yes, Shogun is very much the calibre of Rashad Evans, you have no basis whatsoever to claim otherwise outside of the fact that it's Rashad Evans and anything outside of people calling him the greatest fighter in the history of hand to hand combat just will not do for you. And lol you attempting to make out I'm any variety of fanboy for Jones when all I've done in here is speculate who I think will win the fight and counter every ridiculous Rashad fanboy 'point' you've made. There isn't anything else to say here, people will point out that you are talking out of your arse, you will respond vaguely, ignoring the points that people have you bang to rights on and spouting something else before somebody replies, you do the same rinse, repeat etc. Until you stop dick-riding Rashad such an abhorrent amount, gain a little perspective and not keep jumping to ridiculous conclusions because they fit your crazy 'argument', this is whole thing is an utterly redundant exercise.

[Krimzon7]

Amazing, absolutely amazing CSL... you manage to get to a fourth page and NOW you're trying to call this pointless. FUCKING BRILLIANT deduction. I was running out of straws. In any case, the simple and only fact is that opinions are like assholes....everybody has one. I've got mine, and you got yours. On this matter, they differ. Honestly, like I already stated, I agree that the majority of this is pure bad spin by a novice manager...but the coincidences are odd. The only conclusion I jumped to is that you are an amazing cock sucker for jones....and I'm realizing that you're really just a cock sucker.

And Shogun is an amazing FIGHTER, perhaps one of my fav all time strikers. But I would feel confident in saying that rashad may be a better athlete. Even if I wanted to argue that rashad is a better fighter, there would be a case laid out in wins, losses, and caliber of opponents. You have every right to argue against my opinion. You don't see me calling you out for you swallowing the Jon jones jizz. But, unlike you, I welcome that opinion, asshole. And since we won't get to see this fight, let's see how bones does against rampage, common opponent...

I bet jones will be clamoring for a title eliminator early 2012.

[CSL]

lol good lord, whatever you say buddy.

[IC Champion]

This thread was alot better than I thought it would be...

[Krimzon7]

This thread was alot better than I thought it would be...

Ditto for me too brah...

[Krimzon7]

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/put-end-all-jj-ducking-arguments-1687593/

Too lazy to type out on iPad. But interesting read for all who still doubt the validity of the inconsistencies that spew outta Jon Jones mouth

[CSL]

lol I enjoyed how you tried to take some variety of high-road, like this was all so pointless and you weren't the one repeating the same redundant points over and over again but then come running back in here as soon as you have something that you think helps your argument

Which it doesn't. That guy has said nothing you haven't already said in this thread which in turn has been responded to by me or somebody else, only he presented his argument in a more concise, educated and easier to read manner. Only real difference is the majority at Sherdog appear to "think" like you, stating "facts" based on their own assumptions and ignoring a bit of logic when convenient. Not to mention it's a post on an internet message board, just like this here internet message board. Nothing written in there is any more valid than anything in here. But thanks for posting that, never really seen what everybody means when talking about Sherdog and the rabid clowns that post there (admittedly I didn't look very hard) but I get it now.

[Crimson]

Why would Bones duck Rashad when he'd destroy him

[Crimson]

Anyone else think Rampage might be a punching/kicking bag for Bones?

[Krimzon7]

lol I enjoyed how you tried to take some variety of high-road, like this was all so pointless and you weren't the one repeating the same redundant points over and over again but then come running back in here as soon as you have something that you think helps your argument

Which it doesn't. That guy has said nothing you haven't already said in this thread which in turn has been responded to by me or somebody else, only he presented his argument in a more concise, educated and easier to read manner. Only real difference is the majority at Sherdog appear to "think" like you, stating "facts" based on their own assumptions and ignoring a bit of logic when convenient. Not to mention it's a post on an internet message board, just like this here internet message board. Nothing written in there is any more valid than anything in here. But thanks for posting that, never really seen what everybody means when talking about Sherdog and the rabid clowns that post there (admittedly I didn't look very hard) but I get it now.


No, CSL, I GET IT NOW... Instead of admitting that there are inconstancies, and very questionable actions, you chose to a) post some 10 odd photos of rash ads face, and b) try to counterpoint as if you fucking know the deal. Whatever, guy.

At the end of the day, there is evidence in the form of JON JONES own words, and a slew of poor public relations from his manager. At the end of the day, this info has been submitted for those who want to read the articles supplied in that link.


AND, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I understand that there are two trains of thought in this matter. You feel like you've disproven what ive posted, and you truly are a moron. How can you deny actual events? You can call this entire matter a 'weird turn of events' or whatever you wanna call it. I couldn't give a fuck, sir. I will call it ducking.

[IC Champion]

Rashad could have waited for Jones, just saying.

[Krimzon7]

Why would Bones duck Rashad when he'd destroy him

Sir, this statement is opinion, and you're welcome to it. The fact is, the two have trained together, and Shad presents an opponent with a clear understanding of how to beat Jon jones. Shad could be to Jones what Carwin was to Brock.

I'm not sure Rampage is the jobber you make him out to be either. Jones struggled against Bonnar, who pushed the pace and stayed in JJ's face. I think rampage can get inside that reach, and make shit tough for JJ

[Krimzon7]

Rashad could have waited for Jones, just saying.

let's remember that Jon Jones said he'd be out for six months before the Jon jones healing factor kicked in

[Inadequacy]

Sir, this statement is opinion, and you're welcome to it. The fact is, the two have trained together, and Shad presents an opponent with a clear understanding of how to beat Jon jones. Shad could be to Jones what Carwin was to Brock.


That kind of goes both ways though doesn't it?

[Crimson]

Sir, this statement is opinion, and you're welcome to it. The fact is, the two have trained together, and Shad presents an opponent with a clear understanding of how to beat Jon jones. Shad could be to Jones what Carwin was to Brock.



Brock beat Carwin..so yes Bones will beat Rashad:naughty:

[Krimzon7]

Brock beat Carwin..so yes Bones will beat Rashad:naughty:

Possible outcome. Win or lose, people had a clear blueprint for beating Brock after Carwin fought him

[Krimzon7]

That kind of goes both ways though doesn't it?

Absolutely it does! But people already assume to have rashad's number. It's still a riddle to beat Jon jones.

[Next Big Thing]

Rashad could have waited for Jones, just saying.

No he couldn't have. Their fight had been announced for UFC 133 when Jones pulled out. At that point there was no way in hell Dana would have let Evans pull out of the main event to wait again.

I still don't think Bones is ducking Rashad. Him and his manager just have sorry excuses. That's all.

As far as Rampage v. Bones, I feel like the athleticism of Jones will be a problem for Rampage.

[IC Champion]

let's remember that Jon Jones said he'd be out for six months before the Jon jones healing factor kicked in

Still could have waited, and should have waited before saying Jones was ducking him, whether he is or not.

[IC Champion]

Rashad had the option of fighting, or waiting for Jones to get healthy, he chose to fight.

[Next Big Thing]

Come on man. Dana's been bitching and moaning about Rashad sitting out to wait for Shogun for the last year.

Do you really think he was going to let Rashad back out of the main event and wait for Jon Jones. Especially when he was under the assumption at the time that Jones would be out for 6 months?

[IC Champion]

I didn't say anything about backing out of his fight with David, I said he could have waited for Jones instead of taking another fight. It's not that hard to understand, regardless of whether or not he should have waited, that wasn't the point.

[Next Big Thing]

Jones vs. Evans was booked for UFC 133. Jones pulled out and Davis replaced him literally the next day. How could Evans have waited for Jones without backing out of a main event he was already booked for?

[IC Champion]

Don't say someone is ducking you when you had the option to wait and fight them, if he was already sidelined for a year that was his fault, and yes it made sense to take the David fight, but then don't turn around and say Jones is ducking you.

[IC Champion]

Jones vs. Evans was booked for UFC 133. Jones pulled out and Davis replaced him literally the next day. How could Evans have waited for Jones without backing out of a main event he was already booked for?

He was given the option of waiting for Jones, or fighting in the meantime, he chose to fight, jesus it's not understand.

[Next Big Thing]

The point is, Rashad most likely didn't have a choice in whether or not he could take the Davis fight or wait to fight Jones and for Jones to suddenly and miraculously turn up healthy after Rashad is locked into a matchup with Davis opens up the door for Rashad to say Jones is ducking him.

It's not like Rashad deliberated for a week and then said fuck it I'll fight Davis. Almost as soon as it was announced Jones was hurt, Davis was put in his place. So what option to wait and fight was he given?

I personally don't believe anyone who fights for a living would duck anyone else, but when you read the excuses that Jones and his manager give it leaves openings.

[Next Big Thing]

He was given the option of waiting for Jones, or fighting in the meantime, he chose to fight, jesus it's not understand.

Show me an article that says Rashad had the option to wait and I'll believe you.

Without that all I can go on is the shit Dana's given Rashad in the past about sitting out and believe that Rashad didn't really have a choice.

[IC Champion]

No, Rashad had a choice, and he said he didn't want to wait. I will find the interview for you.

[Crimson]

I did see a video where Dana was shit talking about Rashad taking too much time off and him not wanting to fight his training partners .

The ladder being a seperate issue Rashad probably felt as if he had no choice but to accept any fight he got put into.

[Krimzon7]

I didn't say anything about backing out of his fight with David, I said he could have waited for Jones instead of taking another fight. It's not that hard to understand, regardless of whether or not he should have waited, that wasn't the point.

To acknowledgevyour point, YES HE COULD HAVE WAITED. With Brock out, Maynard/Edgar succumbing to injury, Ortiz backing out of a fight with 22 plus stitches, and three main events being screwed....
NOT TO MENTION, being in the dog house because rashad towed the Jackson Camps line and deciding that his title shot was more important than making Dana money....
Shad wasn't gonna back out the fight. although it's popular to shit on him, shad is loyal to a fault. It got him burned into looking like a bitch initially with JJ, and it burned him outta a title match in this immediate future

[Krimzon7]

The point is, Rashad most likely didn't have a choice in whether or not he could take the Davis fight or wait to fight Jones and for Jones to suddenly and miraculously turn up healthy after Rashad is locked into a matchup with Davis opens up the door for Rashad to say Jones is ducking him.

It's not like Rashad deliberated for a week and then said fuck it I'll fight Davis. Almost as soon as it was announced Jones was hurt, Davis was put in his place. So what option to wait and fight was he given?

I personally don't believe anyone who fights for a living would duck anyone else, but when you read the excuses that Jones and his manager give it leaves openings.

This is all I'm saying...so what I did it in character? So what I'm choosing to connect the dots and draw(not jump, doofus) the conclusion that Jones isn't ready to have some gaping holes exposed by a former teammate?

[IC Champion]

Show me an article that says Rashad had the option to wait and I'll believe you.

Without that all I can go on is the shit Dana's given Rashad in the past about sitting out and believe that Rashad didn't really have a choice.

A lil harder to find than I thought, I think you went and deleted it...

[Next Big Thing]

A lil harder to find than I thought, I think you went and deleted it...

Ha! I sent an email to Google to see if they would help me out. Apparently they listened.... or he never said it (sorry couldn't resist that last jab). I'm telling you man, Dana wasn't letting him out of that main event and with Dana owning MMA now, being on his shit list really isn't a good idea.

This is all I'm saying...so what I did it in character? So what I'm choosing to connect the dots and draw(not jump, doofus) the conclusion that Jones isn't ready to have some gaping holes exposed by a former teammate?

I'm on your side man (minus the ducking part, but I know that was more joking than serious). Why the hostility?






No matter what side any of us falls on this, I think we can all thank God that this isn't like the Sherdog forums... or even the TPWW wrestling forums for that matter.

[Krimzon7]

No hostility bro... Just mini ranting. And you're right! Viva MMA FORUM

[A7X]

lol @ this whole thread. Rashad didn't want to fight his "friend" and teammate and Jon Jones said he'd be open to fighting anybody, even Rashad or anybody else from that camp. Rashad got mad and started throwing low blows @ Jones and left the camp. Jones isn't ducking anybody, the injuries were real, and Rashad was put into another fight because that's what they always do when somebody is unable to fight. Dana White gave the title shot to Rampage because Rashad apparently was taking too long procrastinating the fight. So if anything it was Rashad ducking moreso than Jon Jones. Don't believe anything that douche agent says, unless you hear it from the Champ himself, Jon "Bones" Jones.

[Krimzon7]

lol @ this whole thread. Rashad didn't want to fight his "friend" and teammate and Jon Jones said he'd be open to fighting anybody, even Rashad or anybody else from that camp. Rashad got mad and started throwing low blows @ Jones and left the camp. Jones isn't ducking anybody, the injuries were real, and Rashad was put into another fight because that's what they always do when somebody is unable to fight. Dana White gave the title shot to Rampage because Rashad apparently was taking too long procrastinating the fight. So if anything it was Rashad ducking moreso than Jon Jones. Don't believe anything that douche agent says, unless you hear it from the Champ himself, Jon "Bones" Jones.

Lol@this post

[CSL]

although naturally if he'd have agreed with you, you'd be thanking him and singing his praises

[Krimzon7]

although naturally if he'd have agreed with you, you'd be thanking him and singing his praises

And NATURALLY, you add nothing of value to the thread. Its been three pages since you put some dumb pictures up, why not try your luck on google?

[CSL]

the gall you have to claim that somebody else is adding nothing of value to the thread after your 'performance' in here is truly astounding.

[Krimzon7]

No more pictures? C'mon you can surely google rashadface again, can't you?

HERE...let me feed you:

Rashad will beat Phil Davis, hopefully he'll finish him. And the only way rashad will get a title shot is if rampage wins.

[CSL]

lol what are you yapping on about? Are you just typing random words and posting them? Because the fact you're still referencing the very first post I made in this thread just tells me that you have absolutely nothing else of value to say (how surprising)

And of course Rashad could very well beat Phil Davis, I'd pick him to win. And whatever you say buddy. You still seem to think this is something to do with myself and others hating on Rashad. Which couldn't be further from the truth, it's simply a case of finding your "factual" posts and arguments with no variety of actual evidence in this thread to be ridiculous.

[Nark Order]

Krimzon, this thread is a bit silly. Jon Bones is quickly becoming one of the most feared guys in the sport. He isn't going to duck anybody.

[Krimzon7]

CSL, The fact that I'm referencing your first response is a testament that you've literally added nothing of value since before that post.

Narc, if you took the time to read the thread which I: A)seriously doubt, and B) would admonish the shit out of you for doing, then you would know that I'm being utterly assinine in responding to CSL. Do I think Bones is a phenom? Yes. Do I think Rashad Can beat him? YES. Do I think Jones would duck him? no. Do I think Rashad could expose a weakness in JJ's game that nobody else has? YES. Do I think Dana White would rather have anyone else fight for a belt than Evans? yup. Was the chain of events fishy, questionable, and simply an example of MMA angents not evolving as fast as the sport whom fighters they represent? EXACTLY. Can I have fun with it? FUCKING RIGHT I CAN. Can CSL have his opinion? yup Do I have a right to fuck with him if he is a ridiculous enough cunt to follow me down the rabbit hole? yup. Can he fuck off? damn right.

[Crimson]

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[Krimzon7]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8sapMW_W6ok/ShrkMuVT8oI/AAAAAAAABJw/aPtji2ty7O8/s1600/rashad_evans

Amazing find here sir!

[Next Big Thing]

This thread has officially come full circle now. I think we've killed this topic, buried it, dug it back up, fucked it and buried it again.

[Krimzon7]

Pretty much, this may be thread of the year...circa 2005. It jest won't die!

[Krimzon7]

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[Krimzon7]

But Rashad beat a washed up Tito....that most of you all picked to win!

That fact alone validates that most of you guys don't know what the hell is going on in a fight.

[KillerWolf]

unbelievably disrespectful that so many here picked Tito to win. (would they have put money on it? that is another story.) but that is just par for the course. people are just gonna hate on Rashad no matter what. so fuck it.

[Kris P Lettus]

I see Tito getting out wrestled and prolly ktfo..

[Krimzon7]

I see Tito getting out wrestled and prolly ktfo..

Out wrestled, out struck, out jiu jitsed(just made this up), then KTFO.

[SuperSlim]

Yeah most people did but not all. I could see Rashad winning, I picked him to win, I just picked the wrong method based on how he usually fights. I didn't anticipate that knee to the sternum before the end of round 2.

Rashad is immensely talented no doubt. But one of the reasons for the hate on Rashad is the nut huggers that see him doing no wrong. Yeah Rashad wins fights. Some of them he wins in a very impressive fashion. But when you have people riding him constantly as if he is just the perfect gift to MMA... thats when things go awry. And then there is also his mouth, his antics, and disrespect for people. Tito changed, somewhat, and that got some people looking at him differently. Tito became humble, again somewhat, and that changed perspectives. Rashad? Doesn't seem to have much of that at all.

But when the fans go on and on about him... that hurts. Just like the Fedor nut huggers. Am I a fan of Fedor? Yeah. But I'm not gonna dedicate threads to his greatness and how some guy is ducking him cause of one fight being cancelled.

Nut hugging fans cause hate on fighters. But when those fighters don't show much respect, that in itself goes a long way towards that hate despite how talented they maybe.

[CSL]

But Rashad beat a washed up Tito....that most of you all picked to win!

That fact alone validates that most of you guys don't know what the hell is going on in a fight.

lol bless, how many people do you think had Tito because they were pulling for him to win as opposed to actually believing with any kind of certainty that he would?

[Krimzon7]

lol bless, how many people do you think had Tito because they were pulling for him to win as opposed to actually believing with any kind of certainty that he would?

Is this your way of escaping the fact that you were wrong? Fuck semantics. Just own it, with out any of your daft maneuverings to escape this reality.

[CSL]

lol it's tipsters, be it wrestling or MMA, it happens plenty because (for me personally) quite often I go with what I want to happen or "the unpopular choice" especially in the big fights because if it pays off, I score and nobody else does. But yeah, I'm trying to escape being wrong in this hugely important competition, not like I was retweeting 'my heart says Tito, my head says Rashad' hours before the fight or anything

[Krimzon7]

...right, more justification...

[KillerWolf]

Yeah most people did but not all. I could see Rashad winning, I picked him to win, I just picked the wrong method based on how he usually fights. I didn't anticipate that knee to the sternum before the end of round 2.

Rashad is immensely talented no doubt. But one of the reasons for the hate on Rashad is the nut huggers that see him doing no wrong. Yeah Rashad wins fights. Some of them he wins in a very impressive fashion. But when you have people riding him constantly as if he is just the perfect gift to MMA... thats when things go awry. And then there is also his mouth, his antics, and disrespect for people. Tito changed, somewhat, and that got some people looking at him differently. Tito became humble, again somewhat, and that changed perspectives. Rashad? Doesn't seem to have much of that at all.

But when the fans go on and on about him... that hurts. Just like the Fedor nut huggers. Am I a fan of Fedor? Yeah. But I'm not gonna dedicate threads to his greatness and how some guy is ducking him cause of one fight being cancelled.

Nut hugging fans cause hate on fighters. But when those fighters don't show much respect, that in itself goes a long way towards that hate despite how talented they maybe.

i dont mean no disrespect, and i'm not looking to take you to task here, but your post (your rationale) doesnt hold water. the hate came way before the "nut-huggers." most pro-Rashad or what you may consider "nut-hugger" threads or thoughts, are IMO, a backlash against the mostly unwarranted hate.

consistantly, people state a beleif (whether it be emotional or genuine) that Rashad Evans will lose most of his fights - and he's only ever lost one. you would have to think that at some point Rashad would have stopped being the underdog in every single fight - especially against a guy like Tito - especially considering who Rashad has beaten and how.

then, people say that Rashad talks too much shit. i honestly dont do twitter and stuff, but from what i've seen on UFC productions, the guy doesnt really talk any more shit than the next guy - apart from the whole...manufactured black on black fued or whatever with Rampage. generally, everybody says that they're going to beat up their opponent.

antics? please. it's not like he pretends to bury his opponent after he wins. and the [I]"monkey-dance cage entrance"...fucking rules.

please consider that you dont have to be a fanatic [nut hugger] to recognize a flaw in popular thinking and speak up on it. most fans that i know who dislike Rashad, have disliked him since day one (i.e. the day that Matt Hughes said he acted like a jackass. this was when Matt Hughes was at the top of the sport, btw. and for a lot of people, that was all it took. and then they dont even consider for a second how he has improved and evolved or the unbelievable amount of hard work and commitment.

now i can see people not liking Rashad's style. there are plenty of [popular] fighters who i dont get excited for based on the typical dynamics of their fights - Randy Couture, for example. with Rashad, for some reason, the hate seems to be deep-seeded and unshakable.

anyway, you couldnt have really asked for more from him in last nights fight against Tito, other than a top tier opponent, yet, remarkably, a lot of people still picked Rashad to lose.

[Next Big Thing]

lol it's tipsters, be it wrestling or MMA, it happens plenty because (for me personally) quite often I go with what I want to happen or "the unpopular choice" especially in the big fights because if it pays off, I score and nobody else does. But yeah, I'm trying to escape being wrong in this hugely important competition, not like I was retweeting 'my heart says Tito, my head says Rashad' hours before the fight or anything

Don't you dare talk down about Tipsters. Leave Tipsters out of this.

[Krimzon7]

Don't you dare talk down about Tipsters. Leave Tipsters out of this.

Dude he's grasping for excuses!

[CSL]

Don't you dare talk down about Tipsters. Leave Tipsters out of this.

lol I'm fully down with the tipsters, it's one of those "community" events that have been good across various forums, it's just unfortunate Krimzon7 see's it as an indication of his own imaginary superiority/that everybody else puts as much stock into it as he appears to

Dude he's grasping for excuses!

good god

[Krimzon7]

Oh absolutely! I've got a UFC 133 tipsters belt being made right now. I take this so seriously!

I just can't wait to see what unfolds over the fall...this sets up some serious hype!

[SuperSlim]

i dont mean no disrespect, and i'm not looking to take you to task here, but your post (your rationale) doesnt hold water. the hate came way before the "nut-huggers." most pro-Rashad or what you may consider "nut-hugger" threads or thoughts, are IMO, a backlash against the mostly unwarranted hate.

consistantly, people state a beleif (whether it be emotional or genuine) that Rashad Evans will lose most of his fights - and he's only ever lost one. you would have to think that at some point Rashad would have stopped being the underdog in every single fight - especially against a guy like Tito - especially considering who Rashad has beaten and how.

then, people say that Rashad talks too much shit. i honestly dont do twitter and stuff, but from what i've seen on UFC productions, the guy doesnt really talk any more shit than the next guy - apart from the whole...manufactured black on black fued or whatever with Rampage. generally, everybody says that they're going to beat up their opponent.

antics? please. it's not like he pretends to bury his opponent after he wins. and the [I]"monkey-dance cage entrance"...fucking rules.

please consider that you dont have to be a fanatic [nut hugger] to recognize a flaw in popular thinking and speak up on it. most fans that i know who dislike Rashad, have disliked him since day one (i.e. the day that Matt Hughes said he acted like a jackass. this was when Matt Hughes was at the top of the sport, btw. and for a lot of people, that was all it took. and then they dont even consider for a second how he has improved and evolved or the unbelievable amount of hard work and commitment.

now i can see people not liking Rashad's style. there are plenty of [popular] fighters who i dont get excited for based on the typical dynamics of their fights - Randy Couture, for example. with Rashad, for some reason, the hate seems to be deep-seeded and unshakable.

anyway, you couldnt have really asked for more from him in last nights fight against Tito, other than a top tier opponent, yet, remarkably, a lot of people still picked Rashad to lose.

In my defense I was talking in brash generalizations and nothing really too specific. Cause I'm more of the kind of watcher that appreciates talent and won't hate on a fighter cause some other fighter says he is a jackass or other people don't like him.

People are gonna hate for whatever reason there is and there are plenty of reasons people are going to come up with to hate on a fighter. Even if they have to make them up and the "nut huggers" are part of the reasons for some. I mean look at college football... although those you would call "diehard fans" instead of "nut huggers" but that's where I was getting at with that description.

So yeah... no harm done.

[RoXer]

I'm just glad this thread has reached a conclusion.

[Next Big Thing]

The fun here has only just begun. Wait till they set a date for the match. Wonder what big time scandal Jon Jones's agent is going to cause for this fight.

[MoFo]

rofl @ Rashad's fat head

[Krimzon7]

I can not wait for this fight.

[The Mask]

who was it agreed to my $100 bet vs rashad? i feel like it was instant classic or someone else beginning with i like impact or something. can't find the post now.

[Next Big Thing]

Rashad has been working with Tyrone Spong, I wonder if his strategy for the Jones fight will be to kick the shit out of Jon's skinny ass legs the first few rounds. I don't see Rashad trying to stand and trade with Jones, and I don't see Jones trying to go to the ground with Rashad. Seems like peppering him with kicks to the legs might be the most effective way to beat him.

[TeRdNuGgEt]

Rashad is gonna be made to look silly when the fight happens. Jones has a nack of doing this to fighters people think are good.

and i was not impressed with Jones win over rampage. Rampage should of hung up his gloves couple years back. All he has now is punching power and in his last couple of losses its shows that just having punching power is not gonna cut it against the elite. have to be well rounded and show different things or you will just get picked apart like he did. Only thing he can do now is hype a fight and sell some ppv's .. but that will go away soon too with his career.

[Krimzon7]

Well, he was a sitting duck for Jon jones. That prowling shit jones pulled to start the fight looked too much like Evans. One of the only people at LHW who can match JJ's athletic ability is Evans.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Actually agree with Krimson. Rashad Evans is lighting quick and he's only getting better. I'm not going to sit here and go on a tangent about how Evans is going to beat Jones and Jones ducked Evans because I don't think he did, I think he just has poor PR himself and has bad PR people (Malki Kawa is a fucking idiot). At the end of the day, Rampage is slow and plodding, and aside from that big punch which is nullified by reach, offered nothing to beat Jones. Whereas when we last saw Rashad albeit against Tito, he was a fucking mauler. He was lean and mean and moved like fucking lighting. We can say it was Tito, but in all his losses aside from being k.o.ed by Chuck, he did not get dominated like he did against Rashad. IMO his speed could allow him to shoot on Jones, and also get inside that gangly reach and land some of that hard strinking we know he's capable of landing.

I still think Bones should win, but to count Rashad out at this point of all of us keeping up with MMA would be absolutely ridiciulous.

[Nark Order]

Bones looked like he had the beginnings of a pretty fucking solid clinch in that Rampage fight. That's scary when added to all of his other attributes. I learned a long time ago not to bet against Rashad but I might actually do it this time around. Jones is a genetic freak, has a fighter's mind, is unorthodox as shit, is extremely athletic, can learn complex ideas very quickly, can hit like a truck, can mitigate damage efficiently, and is very hard to get away from in the octagon.

I'm taking Jones by KO in round 3.

[Vastardikai]

Bones looked like he had the beginnings of a pretty fucking solid clinch in that Rampage fight. That's scary when added to all of his other attributes. I learned a long time ago not to bet against Rashad but I might actually do it this time around. Jones is a genetic freak, has a fighter's mind, is unorthodox as shit, is extremely athletic, can learn complex ideas very quickly, can hit like a truck, can mitigate damage efficiently, and is very hard to get away from in the octagon.

I'm taking Jones by KO in round 3.

The only time I ever bet against 'Shad was the Machida fight. People jumped on me when I said he was gonna die, in the metaphorical sense. Then, when I explained the reason, it made sense.

Now, for this fight, I expect to count the footprints from where Bones walks over him.

[Krimzon7]

Actually agree with Krimson. Rashad Evans is lighting quick and he's only getting better. I'm not going to sit here and go on a tangent about how Evans is going to beat Jones and Jones ducked Evans because I don't think he did, I think he just has poor PR himself and has bad PR people (Malki Kawa is a fucking idiot). At the end of the day, Rampage is slow and plodding, and aside from that big punch which is nullified by reach, offered nothing to beat Jones. Whereas when we last saw Rashad albeit against Tito, he was a fucking mauler. He was lean and mean and moved like fucking lighting. We can say it was Tito, but in all his losses aside from being k.o.ed by Chuck, he did not get dominated like he did against Rashad. IMO his speed could allow him to shoot on Jones, and also get inside that gangly reach and land some of that hard strinking we know he's capable of landing.

I still think Bones should win, but to count Rashad out at this point of all of us keeping up with MMA would be absolutely ridiciulous.

Thank you for your opinion...I'm not going to go back into the CSL shit, but my last post was serious. Not discounting any of jones' talents, but we saw a different Rashad Evans in his last fight. I am amped for this fight, I want to see how Jon jones looks defending, off his back, countering, instead of dictating range, pace, and location of a fight. Nobody has attempted to blitz him. Perhaps because nobody can close distance. Let's see how the kid reacts and let's enjoy this fight!

[Krimzon7]

The fun here has only just begun. Wait till they set a date for the match. Wonder what big time scandal Jon Jones's agent is going to cause for this fight.

I see what you're doing....

[What Would Kevin Do?]

And the fight is delayed again. Evans' hand is still injured from the Ortiz fight, so Jones will be fighting Machida in Toronto.

[Funky Fly]

Gonna be an interesting fight. My brother is convinced that the only guy who "has a key for that lame ass riddle" is Machida, what with the timing and his own trickiness. I'm sure it'll be a great fight, nonetheless.

[MoFo]

Way better fight than Cuba Jr.

[The Mask]

THE THREAD THAT WILL NEVER END

[Funky Fly]

Way better fight than Cuba Jr.

I refuse to believe that. When those 2 finally step into the octagon the atmosphere could be Lesnar/Mir big if they hype it right.

[CSL]

don't see how Machida has got this fight, losing 2 out of 3 and pricing himself out of stepping into the Rashad fight. Should have just delayed the JBJ/Rashad fight, as Funky said it could be huge and we're only talking like a month or two delay tops apparently

[MoFo]

but Rashad is fucking boring.......

[Next Big Thing]

don't see how Machida has got this fight, losing 2 out of 3 and pricing himself out of stepping into the Rashad fight. Should have just delayed the JBJ/Rashad fight, as Funky said it could be huge and we're only talking like a month or two delay tops apparently

Agree 100%. This will be the 4th fight of this year for Jones. I'm sure he'll want and probably deserves a break from training after the Machida fight which keeps Rashad on the shelf even longer. And that's assuming Jones comes out of that fight healthy.

Not sure how KOing a 50 year old man bumps Machida up to title contender. Just wait until February or March, let Jones rest and give the people what they really want: Jones/Evans.

[Next Big Thing]

Ariel Helwani: How did this fight come about?

Jon Jones: The way the fight came about was Dana called me into his office just a few days ago, and he asked me to fight Rashad Evans at UFC 140. Without hesitation, I said 'absolutely'. There's nothing I want to do more than to get past this Rashad Evans chapter in my career, because it's been a nuisance. He's been the antagonist in my career. So, I'm predicting that maybe Rashad thought that I would turn the fight down, knowing that I just got done finishing my title fight. I'm sure he thought that I would say no to him, and I'm sure he would have went with the approach of, 'Oh well, Jon Jones is ducking me again; he turns down the fight in nine weeks.' To his surprise, I took the fight, and after I took the fight, he decides that his hand isn't ready, and he's going to need more time. So, with me already agreeing with Dana that I would take a fight at UFC 140, Dana called me back and said, 'Hey, listen, Rashad decided that he can't compete at UFC 140, what would think about fighting Lyoto Machida?' And I said 'absolutely'. My feet were swollen after my fight, but they are healed now, and I want to fight. My health is good, I'm a young guy, and I want to fight. So I took the fight against Lyoto in nine weeks from now. This is four fights in 10 months against three former champions in the same year. I don't think that's ever been done.

Did you tell the UFC that since Evans wasn't ready to fight in December that you would rather wait a month or two to fight him so you can finally put this beef behind you?

Well, Dana White basically needed someone to save 140. I didn't necessarily want to fight at 140, but because it was Rashad, I said, 'You know what? I would take the fight in nine weeks.' I'm already in shape. I already know what I want to do. Rashad, predicting that I would say no, he kind of kicked himself in the butt because I said yes, he turns around and says, 'Oh, I didn't expect Jon to say yes. I don't want to fight him that soon.' So in reality, he's kind of the one who's ducking the fight. I feel like he's ducking the fight.

So you think he was trying to force your hand so you would look bad in the fans' eyes, but you then forced his hand?

Exactly. 100 percent that's what I'm trying to get at. He's tried to call me out on nine weeks' notice. Obviously, who wants to fight on nine weeks' notice? I just got a new car, I want to drive that around. I want to hang out with my family and relax and sleep in my own bed for once. And now Rashad calls me out, predicting that I would say no, to make me look like I was ducking him again, and I say yes, and now he says, Oh, I didn't know he would say yes. I don't want to fight him. He called Dana White, asked for 140, Dana White called me and said Rashad wants this fight. I gave him the fight he wanted and then he pulled out.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/10/06/jon-jones-explains-why-he-is-fighting-lyoto-machida-at-ufc-140/

Now he's trying to claim that Rashad is ducking him now when Rashad's injury is actually legit and comes complete with a cast and pins in his thumb while his need for surgery was pretty much a fabrication.

[CSL]

Or Rashad was playing games with him and it backfired. Or Rashad/UFC didn't realize the extent of his injury. Or Jones is trying to wind Rashad up. Etc etc.

[Nark Order]

I don't get why anybody would think Jones would be ducking anybody. He's taking all of these power fights without any hesitation. And he's beating the hell out of everybody.

[The Mask]

UFC are gonna give themselves a problem here. say jones cleans out machida and rashad, who is he gonna fight after that? i like jones but come on. are they banking of phil davies definitely being super awesome?

[Next Big Thing]

If they're smart, they'll keep Hendo at 205 purely for his name value in a potential fight with Jones. If Davis keeps winning I'm sure he'll get a shot. King Mo is another possible opponent, even if he is only a name and not a legit threat to take the title.

I think if he cleans out the division, Jones will probably move up to heavyweight.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

If they're smart, they'll keep Hendo at 205 purely for his name value in a potential fight with Jones. If Davis keeps winning I'm sure he'll get a shot. King Mo is another possible opponent, even if he is only a name and not a legit threat to take the title.

I think if he cleans out the division, Jones will probably move up to heavyweight.

That, or if Dana can't get the GSP/Silva fight to ever go forward, he tries to convince Silva to go back to Light Heavy and face Jones.

[Funky Fly]

Does Jones even cut weight, though? He might be like 210 or 215, but he doesn't look like he cuts weight at all

[Krimzon7]

Jon jones has a big frame. He can carry 240 easily. I don't think rash ads mentality is to play games here. I don't trust this unless Dana confirms it. Shad knows exactly what's going on with his hand. If he wasn't ready, he wouldn't Fuck his shot up to get a PR coup.

[Krimzon7]

Save a PPV? the same PPV that had lesnar/overeem as a potential headliner? Even if lesnar can't rock,overeem is good, and they could HYPE THE SHIT OUT THIS FIGHTER

[RoXer]

Hi Everyone.

Don't forget about this thread on Jan 28th either.

[Krimzon7]

We won't. Dont forget this thread on the 29th when there's another reason why this fight won't happen

[Krimzon7]

This fight is going down IN MY FUCKING BACKYARD!!!! I just jizzed a quart

[MoFo]

You get to see yr boy stanky legged again.

Probs be worse than the Machida fight tho.

[Krimzon7]

So you willbe first in line for kissing the 'told u so' tattoo on my ass? I'm calling Jon jones losing via RNC. Can we at least agree that rashad has fought completely differently since getting beaten, and leaving Jackson's? He was looking to finish all night. And his Jits was nice

[Krimzon7]

The first part was a joke btw, I don't have a tattoo

[Kris P Lettus]

Rashad only has two wins, both being.his first two pro fights, by submission and both were by punches..

FYI

[MoFo]

So you willbe first in line for kissing the 'told u so' tattoo on my ass? I'm calling Jon jones losing via RNC. Can we at least agree that rashad has fought completely differently since getting beaten, and leaving Jackson's? He was looking to finish all night. And his Jits was nice


Ya I give Shad credit for at least trying to make a fight out of it.

Davis is fucking dull as a cardboard convention, but if he'd have stuck to the leg kicks like he did in the first round it would of been a better fight

[Krimzon7]

Rashad only has two wins, both being.his first two pro fights, by submission and both were by punches..

FYI

I am supremely aware of that, like I'm also aware that Rashad is a BJJ black belt under Rolles Gracie. Now, with the reach (and debatably) striking going JBJ's way, shad has advantages in the BJJ (and arguably) the wrestling category. Add his clear speed advantage, and I can see shad taking advantage of a blue/purple belt on the ground. Rashads jits was on display tonight also, with multiple guard passes, taking mount, back mount, (didnt he hit a sweep?)and most importantly, knowing when to relinquish position...all are traits of a seasoned BJJ practicioner

[Next Big Thing]

Let the fun begin.

[Krimzon7]

Let the fun begin.

The hype will not be coming from me bro. I would like to discuss the merits of both guys. I believe my guy can win, and I look forward to exhilarating discussion.

[Nark Order]

Really hope Jones waxes him. Rashad is so painstakingly boring. It's awful. It's like he's so good but 'so what?'

[Krimzon7]

Really hope Jones waxes him. Rashad is so painstakingly boring. It's awful. It's like he's so good but 'so what?'

He has more finishes than GSP in recent years. But hey, thanks for contributing!:kiss:

[RoXer]

Hello?

[Nark Order]

Well, this has been settled.

[The Mask]

you do realise when throwing knees/elbow (ie./ jones' bestest standing weapons.. and probably ground for elbows too) the tendency is to hold back a shitload or pad the absolute fuck out of everything, right? otherwise rashad would have walked out of sparring looking like monica bellucci after the subway scene in irreversible.

who was it agreed to my $100 bet vs rashad? i feel like it was instant classic or someone else beginning with i like impact or something. can't find the post now.

:'(

[Stealth-Icon]

looking like monica bellucci after the subway scene in irreversible.


Hot movie scene by the way!
:naughty::naughty:

[The Mask]

seriously if someone $100 bet me i need to find that cunt :'(

[MoFo]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO

"lame ass riddle"

:rofl: :rofl: :lol: :rofl:

[Krimzon7]

Hahaha, yeah...shad face happened.

Jon Jones is a beast and if shad couldn't do it, nobody at 205 will

[CSL]

Hahaha, yeah...shad face happened.

oh well, point proven in that case

LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, WE GO TO THE JUDGES SCORECARD. ALL 3 JUDGES SCORES THIS FIGHT 50-45 BECAUSE SHAD FACE DIDN'T HAPPEN. THE WINNER AND NEW yadda yadda yadda

[Nark Order]

I feel like there should be a more epic ending to this sage. You know I'm a huge fan of shaming. Maybe Krimzon should be severely shamed for awhile because of his horrible judgment here.

Also, he should probably be reprimanded in the first place just for being a fan of one of the most boring fighters in all of MMA.

[Next Big Thing]

This thread got more pages than any almost any other. He should be considered the Chael Sonnen of the MMA Forum. They both know how to hype big fights and take the L in the end. Ha! Love ya Krim.

[Next Big Thing]

I still want to know how in the hell Jones is sponsored by the UFC and people aren't raising hell about it. That seems to be screaming conflict of interest.

[Krimzon7]

oh well, point proven in that case

LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, WE GO TO THE JUDGES SCORECARD. ALL 3 JUDGES SCORES THIS FIGHT 50-45 BECAUSE SHAD FACE DIDN'T HAPPEN. THE WINNER AND NEW yadda yadda yadda

Who.....are....YOU?!?!?


All of you guys can SUCK IT. Rashad ended up fighting JBJ's fight that night. In Stature, he looked like Faber compared to Jon Jones. Jon Jones was even doing the stanky leg right at the end of the second(?) round! After that, JBJ did what he wanted to, except finish him.

Fuck you very much CSL if I can't hold on to some shred of dignity after my guy lost.

Narc, GSP is currently the most boring fighter in MMA right ahead of John FItch. For you to call Suga a boring fighter is just you being a dickwad...Namor that dammit :kiss:

[Krimzon7]

I still want to know how in the hell Jones is sponsored by the UFC and people aren't raising hell about it. That seems to be screaming conflict of interest.


Jon Jones is the future and they (dana white) spiked Rashad's pedialite he was heavily sedated walking into the ring. #truestory

[Krimzon7]

This thread got more pages than any almost any other. He should be considered the Chael Sonnen of the MMA Forum. They both know how to hype big fights and take the L in the end. Ha! Love ya Krim.

acknowledge Greatness. My new crusade is to Get Rashad back to a title fight by the end of 2012....

But first i need to go weigh in on the fact that Overeem is out because of some damn ibuprofin and testosterone treatment. C'mon, we all have been there, amiright? who hasn't had a nagging injury that only advil and steroids can cure?

[CSL]

Who.....are....YOU?!?!?


All of you guys can SUCK IT. Rashad ended up fighting JBJ's fight that night. In Stature, he looked like Faber compared to Jon Jones. Jon Jones was even doing the stanky leg right at the end of the second(?) round! After that, JBJ did what he wanted to, except finish him.

Fuck you very much CSL if I can't hold on to some shred of dignity after my guy lost.

Narc, GSP is currently the most boring fighter in MMA right ahead of John FItch. For you to call Suga a boring fighter is just you being a dickwad...Namor that dammit :kiss:

now now sweetheart, where did I call Rashad a boring fighter? or anything negative for that matter? and I have no idea what you're on about with the who are you bit

[Krimzon7]

now now sweetheart, where did I call Rashad a boring fighter? or anything negative for that matter? and I have no idea what you're on about with the who are you bit

The boring fighter was more directed towards narc(I think). Calm down a bit pumpkin, I'm just joshing around with you.

CSL, I like you. More specifically, I like giving you shit. You are cool bro, just realize that the ranty, oner the top K7 is me playing up what I truly feel. With this new knowledge, I hope we can continue to enjoy this board/forum you FUCK:foc:

[The Mask]

if anyone finds who i had that $100 bet with i'll give them $25 upon receipt of my winnings :'(

[Crimson]

You owe me 100 bucks