Official WWE Over The Limit Thread 5/22/11

[Cool King]

Seeing as there is no thread, with an hour to go until show time, I decided to take up the task. :y:

Anyway....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/WWE_Over_The_Limit_2011_Poster.jpg


World Heavyweight Championship
Randy Orton vs Christian
Singles Match
http://www.wwe.com/f/match/image/2011/04/20110513_otl_orton_christian.jpg

WWE Championship
John Cena vs The Miz
I Quit Match
http://www.wwe.com/f/match/image/2011/04/20110506_otl_cena_miz_pre.jpg

WWE Tag Team Championships
Big Show & Kane vs CM Punk & Mason Ryan
Tag Team Match
http://www.wwe.com/f/match/image/2011/05/20110516_otl_kaneshow_punkryan_pre.jpg

Intercontinental Championship
Wade Barrett vs Ezekiel Jackson
Singles Match
http://www.wwe.com/f/match/image/2011/04/20110512_otl_wade_ezekiel_l.jpg

WWE Divas Championship
Brie Bella vs Kelly Kelly
Singles Match
http://www.wwe.com/f/match/image/2011/05/20110520_otl_brie_kelly.jpg

Sin Cara vs Chavo Guerrero
Single Match
http://www.wwe.com/f/match/image/2011/05/20110519_otl_sincara_chavo.jpg

Jerry "The King" Lawler vs Michael Cole
Kiss My Foot Match
http://www.wwe.com/f/match/image/2011/04/20110509_otl_lawler_cole2.jpg

Rey Mysterio vs R-Truth
Singles Match
http://www.wwe.com/f/match/image/2011/05/20110516_otl_reyrtruth_pre.jpg

Enjoy the show.

TPWW Chat: http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109788

[Team Sheep]

I really like this card. Should be a good one.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Nice eight matches tonight. That seems like more than usual for one of the non-big four PPVs.

[Cool King]

Yeah, I think this PPV will be a good one.

It looks promising anyway.

[Ultra Mantis]

Chavo Guerrero has not won a PPV match since February 2008. Tonight will probably not change that, but it's nice of them to dangle him a carrot.

[Cool King]

I'm just happy Chavo is getting a PPV match, if I'm being honest. :-\

[Xero]

Will R Truth finally have music?

[Cool King]

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/VLekSpwRoIU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'd like to push Cena over the limit - by which I mean a cliff.

[DrCrawford]

i still haven't been accepted into the stream group, so if someone could be so kind <3

[MikeyMike]

Hopefully the finish to the I Quit match will be different to last years. By which i mean hopefully John Cena doesn't win by The Miz saying i quit from the threat of being AA'd off something. (Off a car through the stage floor last year.)

[Xero]

Forgot they did I Quit last year.

May as well call this PPV "WWE I Quit".

[Cool King]

Forgot they did I Quit last year.

May as well call this PPV "WWE I Quit".

Wouldn't that be too much like Breaking Point? :shifty:

[erickman]

Will R Truth finally have music?

i like him with out music, i wish he could come out like stiener, with police sirens.

[BizarroKing]

How about that they actually showed a dedication to Savage.

[Cool King]

I liked the Savage tribute.

Would I be asking too much for a video tribute? :-\

[Team Sheep]

Hopefully the finish to the I Quit match will be different to last years. By which i mean hopefully John Cena doesn't win by The Miz saying i quit from the threat of being AA'd off something. (Off a car through the stage floor last year.)

Yeah I'd like to actually see some torture to win the match. Unlike Cena's last 2 I quit wins where it was just by threat (JBL in 2005 and Batista last year). Hopefully Miz wins Rock/Mankind style somehow. Or something similar.

[MikeyMike]

Truth has no music still.

[Cool King]

No music?

He means business....

[BizarroKing]

Wow, what a entrance them R-Truth has...

[Team Sheep]

That post by me made no sense. Whatever.

[MikeyMike]

Yeah I'd like to actually see some torture to win the match. Unlike Cena's last 2 I quit wins where it was just by threat (JBL in 2005 and Batista last year). Hopefully Miz wins Rock/Mankind style somehow. Or something similar.

That would be good.

[Cool King]

I want to see some Little Jimmy signs on Raw tomorrow.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Shut up Little Jimmy

[BizarroKing]

That post by me made no sense. Whatever.

Was refering to the "The Truth shall set you free" part.

[ClockShot]

Hey, remember guys.

http://kentuckystatepolice.org/images/olua.gif

[Team Sheep]

Was refering to the "The Truth shall set you free" part.

Sorry I edited. Was talking about myself.

[Juan]

Someone hook me up with a stream

[Juan]

thanks geodude :y:

[LK]

Nice to see them going somewhere with R-Truth.

[Ultra Mantis]

Straight up flatliner for the finish, nice.

[Flash Funk]

Could use a stream please...the group hasnt accepted me yet..

[Cool King]

I'm sure they've used that exact fish catching footage last time they were in Seattle.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: Cole saying being with Booker, Matthews, and King are the most boring team he's ever worked with.

[Graveler]

crowd's really into Barrett

[Dorkchop]

I was hoping Jackson would go for 10 body slams in a row

[DrCrawford]

run ins are getting really lame

[rated rjo]

Slater...pants?...

[DrCrawford]

yeah they remind me of jerichos old tights, except slater looks weird in them. i guess its the small kneepads

[rated rjo]

"Walk that off." What a leader that Punk.

[Cool King]

What's with the lights?

[DrCrawford]

do they use those lights everytime cara wrestles? the match looks more dramatic with that lighting. they should do this more often

[Skippord]

someone hook me up with a stream?

[rated rjo]

What's with the lights. Is this part of Sin Cara's thing now? I don't really follow SD.

[Innovator]

I need to see someone drop the Macho elbow tonight.

[Dorkchop]

This crowd sucks.

[Jura]

Can Cole and Lawler please shut up about their match later tonight? We don't need to hear about it during every single match. I hope their match is up soon because afterwards obviously only one or neither of them will be at the announce table.

[Gonzo]

anyone got a quality stream? the one in the group is spotty.

[Cool King]

Did Sin Cara win via a botched move?

[Dragoneyes]

Please tell me i heard that wrong...i swear i just heard Mathews call Chavo the game.

[Cool King]

I think it was botched. They didn't show a replay of the winning move.

[Dragoneyes]

I think it was botched. They didn't show a replay of the winning move.

yeah, I'm pretty sure it was.

[Poit]

Of course, they can't leave Del Rio off the PPV.

[Cool King]

Damn, I forgot that Del Rio didn't have a match tonight.

[Juan]

Tonight has been the first time I've been legit annoyed at Cole.

Guess that's the point tho

[Dorkchop]

R-Truth is undefeated at over the limit

[Juan]

lollll @ illegal Canadian immigrants

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: Del Rio

[Poit]

Damn those Canadians!

[rated rjo]

Canadians... this would be a good time for Jericho to make a surprise return.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL Kane</font>

[rated rjo]

Very fitting comment for Kane, rapture and all...

[Dragoneyes]

rofl @ Kane upset about missing rapture.

[Poit]

:lol: @ the Batista chants.

[rated rjo]

LOL @ Batista chants.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

lol was that a Batista chant?

[Cool King]

Batista chants. :roll:

Ryan looks nothing like Batista.

[Cool King]

Did anyone else notice Punk's left hand?

He has a tribute to Randy Savage on it.

[Innovator]

Punk just tried for the Elbow, YES

[Eighty 0ne]

This crowd sucks.

That's what I was thinking.. Jesus.. I know it is depressing in Seattle, but for fucks sake..

[Heisenberg]

Mason Ryan is Steve Blackman and Batista's love child

[rated rjo]

That was kinda clever.

[rated rjo]

Here comes Kharma!!!!

[rated rjo]

I always find it wierd that I can hear every single thing the divas say during their matches, but never during regular match.

[rated rjo]

No Kharma. That was surprising.

[Beth Phoenix Fan]

brie bella got lucky when kelly stinkfaced her:)

[Dorkchop]

My stream isn't as good as it was earlier. The only match I want to see is Randy vs Christian

[Dorkchop]

ooooooooooooooo. Louder cheers for Christian.

[Mr. C]

No Kharma. That was surprising.

Kong is going to come out and beat up Cole in the aftermath of his defeat.

brie bella got lucky when kelly stinkfaced her:)

:naughty:

[OldSchoolFan]

I'm calling it now... As the ME starts Miz is gonna ask Cena what type match this is and when cena loudly responds that is is an I Quit match the bell rings and we have a new champ

[CSL]

Not even Vince Russo would book that

[rated rjo]

Interesting submission by Orton...

[Juan]

These two matches with Christian is the best I've seen Orton be in a long time.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Agreed. This is a very good match.

[Dorkchop]

The crowd is finally hot. All they needed was a great match.

[Innovator]

Billy Goat Curse, Colt's twitter is about to be hacked

[rated rjo]

What a match!!!!

[Dorkchop]

Orton's always been a great worker, but these two matches with Christian have been fantastic.

Orton's going to win, but I hope they get to continue this feud.

[rated rjo]

Orton's always been a great worker, but these two matches with Christian have been fantastic.

Orton's going to win, but I hope they get to continue this feud.

You think this is building to a Christian heel turn?

[Poit]

Balls. :'(

[Cool King]

Good match.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I imagine at the next PPV they'll add in Mark Henry and Sheamus to a match with these two. Maybe with Christian pinning one of them while Orton pins the other, for the ref to only notice Ortons pin.

[Juan]

lol this is awesome

[Juan]

What a match :y:

[Cool King]

http://sawyerspeaks.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/monty_foot.jpg

[Dorkchop]

You think this is building to a Christian heel turn?

Probably, but the way the crowd was reacting an Orton heel turn would be cool. Orton hasn't been a face for a while so it's probably not likely. Orton doesn't turn face and heel like Kane and Edge.

I wanted Christian to stay a heel in WWE, but he's been a great face in WWE since he returned. Whatever gets him on tv regularly, and in the main event, I'm happy with.

[Cool King]

I wonder what music Cole will have seeing as he doesn't have Swagger anymore.

[Cool King]

None.

Oh right. :|

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hey, WWE wrestlers, it really is this easy to get heat. LOOK AT HOW EASY IT IS. Look at what Cole is doing and then go do it.

[Theo Dious]

Hey, WWE wrestlers, it really is this easy to get heat. LOOK AT HOW EASY IT IS. Look at what Cole is doing and then go do it.

Cole has spent 15 years banking this.

[Dorkchop]

This is what their Mania match should have been like

[Juan]

Anyone got a decent link? The one I have keeps stopping and I keep having to refresh it

[Cool King]

My stream keeps doing the same.

[Dorkchop]

I wish JR came out to My Ass

[Dorkchop]

Cole is an awful seller

[Gonzo]

HITMAN!!

[Juan]

lol what?????????

[rated rjo]

OH HELL YEAH !!!!!! HITMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

[Cool King]

BRET!?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Wow. Was kind of expecting Swagger to maybe come out and force Cole back to the ring. Didn't expect Bret.

[Dorkchop]

It was hilarious seeing Lawler jump for joy when Bret came out.

[rated rjo]

I don't think I've ever been happier than watching Cole get the sharpshooter.

[Cool King]

I was actually expecting Swagger if I'm being honest.

Bret was the last person I expected to see.

[BizarroKing]

Vince, you kept me as a viewer now.

[Dukelorange]

Miz will use a recording... watch...

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I could see The Miz winning using a recording or something, but it being reversed by the anonymous GM, the match being restarted, and Cena winning.

[Eighty 0ne]

Awesome..

[Cool King]

Hasn't Miz said "I Quit" twice now since the bell rang?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Guess they don't have any faith in Alex Riley after all.

HEY WAITAMINUTE

[Gonzo]

ahhahaha this is awesome, 2v1

[Dorkchop]

I could see The Miz winning using a recording or something, but it being reversed by the anonymous GM, the match being restarted, and Cena winning.
Fucking hate the anonymous GM. I don't know why people even listen to him/her/it.

That will probably happen though

[rated rjo]

Cena destroyed by teleprompters. Now THAT was satisfying.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The announcers have been setting up for a Miz win, talking repeatedly about how Cena will never say I quit and how this win would catapult the Miz to superstardom, but I dunno.

Super entertaining match so far.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Riley's been stiff as fuck with these weapons. Either that or he uses them better than everyone in WWE history.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Nice DDT from the Miz courtesy of his GF Maurice.

[Juan]

lol did Miz just do the Raven pose?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Passion of the Cena

[Emperor Smeat]

Love how nonchalant Miz is so far in this match and just keeps on the abuse with Riley on Cena.

Reminds me a lot of The Rock vs Foley in their I quit match with how The Rock taunted and attacked Foley the whole time.

[Cool King]

I've just had a vision of what might happen, so I'm calling it.

Cena manages to lock either Miz or Riley in one of the cars, then it becomes a one on one match.

[owenbrown]

So when does Cena go into Superman invincible mode?

[Dorkchop]

Miz is great, but this match sucks. How much are WWE going to suck Cena's dick?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Miz is great, but this match sucks. How much are WWE going to suck Cena's dick?

Probably about as long as you're going to be a fucking buzzkill who can't just watch the match without being a pissy negative fuck.

AKA 4ever

[Theo Dious]

I've just had a vision of what might happen, so I'm calling it.

Cena manages to lock either Miz or Riley in one of the cars, then it becomes a one on one match.

I was expecting him to throw one of them off the stage.

This match is getting uncomfortable.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Maybe the Miz is gonna win

WHO KNOWS? JUST WATCH IT

[Theo Dious]

And how is "you got no nuts" PG? I smell a fine.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You're so fucking concerned with the finish that you can't enjoy what you're actually watching. And that's fucking sad. Stop watching wrestling.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Damn, it looked like Cena caught his chin on the top of the chair then rather than on the seat.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Never! Not any day!

[Juan]

lol @ this

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Come on, this is fucking awesome. Miz is a superstar.

[Poit]

Didn't Miz just yell "I quit" twice?

[#1-norm-fan]

Miz has said "I Quit" multiple times in this match...

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: the kid doesn't care how much abuse Cena gets

[Theo Dious]

Apparently there's some kind of rule of intention for the phrase "I quit."

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Didn't Miz just yell "I quit" twice?

context baby

ever seen a wrestler touch the mat with his hand while in a submission

[Corporate CockSnogger]

lol worst recording ever.

[rated rjo]

And there's the recording.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

wow, production values fucked that one up

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Oh God. Really?! Mankind-Rock 2?

[Dorkchop]

Probably about as long as you're going to be a fucking buzzkill who can't just watch the match without being a pissy negative fuck.

AKA 4ever

Sorry, sensitive internet guy. I just wanted a good match. I really like what they're doing though.

[Theo Dious]

I am not a fan of the timing of this match. I feel like I've been trying to shit for 20 minutes.

[Theo Dious]

Wow, this is lame as fuck.

[Dukelorange]

ROFL!!!!

[rated rjo]

lol worst recording ever.

wow, production values fucked that one up

Really. Was it any worse than the recording when Foley faced the Rock? As far as believability is concerned, I mean.

[Poit]

Like a government mule!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Sorry, sensitive internet guy. I just wanted a good match. I really like what they're doing though.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MY HERO

and I'll be damned if you say a bad word about Johnathan Cena

[Jura]

That Mike Chioda, always figuring things out. Oh look, Cena looks fine now.

[#1-norm-fan]

Riley fucking up again. So, I'm guessing the Miz-Riley split happens tomorrow night.

Also, lol @ Miz' whiniest "I Quit" ever. And that kid in the red shirt trying to take over the mic and take the other kid's moment with his "You quit first!" What a dick. Kids.

[Cool King]

Just got this server message.

http://imageshack.us/m/37/8677/otlr.png

Oh, it knows....

[owenbrown]

FUCK VINCE MCMAHON FUCK JOHN CENA FUCK THE BABYFACES AND FUCK TPWW'S GAY ASS SERVER

[Emperor Smeat]

Meh at the ending and not because Cena won but how he got his "superman" moment and doesn't bother to sell all the abuse he got from the Miz as he's chasing and attacking him until after the bell rings to end the match.

Match itself was decent and I thought Miz was going to use the kids more until the fake recording (:lol: at when the ref finds out he was duped). The ending just felt a big let down after all the abuse and Cena barely did anything in the match.

Good PPV overall though.

[Triple A]

Sorry again every1. Moving servers later this week.

[Triple Naitch]

Anybody watching a replay of this right now?

[Cool King]

I really enjoyed Over The Limit.

I'd say it was better than Extreme Rules. :y:

[Eighty 0ne]

Yep.. Gay. Cena gets his ass beat for 30 minutes... Miz gets whipped for 30 seconds and quits like a bitch...

Very anti-climactic ending to an over all decent PPV.
Match of the night goes to Orton/Christian IMO.

[owenbrown]

let the fucking main event heels win once in a while after WM

[CSL]

Now I didn't watch the PPV but I'm hearing that a (top) babyface refused to give up in the face of adversity and the cowardly heel gave up as soon as he was in trouble. Imagine that on a pro wrestling show.

[Cool King]

I thought the main event was quite good.

At times I thought Cena would actually say "I Quit". Also, Miz quitting as soon as he's whipped a few times and put into an STF plays right into his character. He is just a cocky jackass who is all talk and is actually just a wuss.

That's pretty much his character. :-\

But I do think Match of the Night was Orton vs Christian.

[Lock Jaw]

That last match was pretty brutal. Felt like a half an hour segment rather than a match. The end result of making Cena not only look like Superman, but Jesus (the Jewish guy, not the guy who stabbed him in a nightclub) too. Then making Miz look like an absolute pushover.

Otherwise pretty solid card.

Christian/Orton was a fantastic match with one of the best crowds I have heard in a long time.... EXCEPT CHRISTIAN DID NOT WIN.

[Eighty 0ne]

I thought the main event was quite good.

At times I thought Cena would actually say "I Quit". Also, Miz quitting as soon as he's whipped a few times and put into an STF plays right into his character. He is just a cocky jackass who is all talk and is actually just a wuss.

That's pretty much his character. :-\

But I do think Match of the Night was Orton vs Christian.

Yeah... I guess you're right.. I just wanted more...

[Jordan]

What a great year for PPV's so far, every one has been very good in one way or another and I thought all around this was a good PPV, nothing bad nothing mind blowing, but everything had it's purpose and the matches had great stories. Props to R-Truth and Mysterio I dug that match a lot, also Sin Cara and Chavo did great work together, Sin Cara is a star.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Ending was kinda eh but it was expected. But the rest of the match was very well done. Miz showed up big time tonight.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

let the fucking main event heels win once in a while after WM

You do remember that the Miz won the main event at Wrestlemania yes?

[Lock Jaw]

Thing is, Miz has shown his ability to not be a wuss. The few weeks leading to Mania where he did NOT have Alex Riley and still beat down Cena could have been the start of making Miz more "legit" but they decided to go back to the cowardly heel who can't win except by cheating.

[Triple Naitch]

Hey any of you niggums know where I can watch a replay right now?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also, how long are people going to hide behind the argument of "we want heels to go over" every time Cena wins? If this was Christian getting the face push you wouldn't hear a peep (;)) out of anyone.

[CSL]

Thing is, Miz has shown his ability to not be a wuss. The few weeks leading to Mania where he did NOT have Alex Riley and still beat down Cena could have been the start of making Miz more "legit" but they decided to go back to the cowardly heel who can't win except by cheating.

Every one of those was a cheap shot, from behind, when Cena was 'incapacitated' etc. It was the definition of cowardly, a wuss etc.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Thing is, Miz has shown his ability to not be a wuss. The few weeks leading to Mania where he did NOT have Alex Riley and still beat down Cena could have been the start of making Miz more "legit" but they decided to go back to the cowardly heel who can't win except by cheating.

Which is the story of like every heel besides Triple H ever. Ric Flair did it that way, Hogan did it that way, HBK did it that way. That's the way it's done. It's not that big of a deal.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The cowardly heel is the basis of wrestling. The crowd cheers for the strong face. They boo the cowardly heel. They know the face would win in a fair fight, but the heel refuses to fight fair. COME ON

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Fuck, even Yokozuna was a cowardly heel. You think that fat fuck needed to cheat to win? No, but he did anyway because THAT'S WRESTLING

[Lock Jaw]

I don't mind cheating. I actually love cowardly heels. I was just sayin'.

[Xero]

I had two problems with the main event.

1. Miz recruited Riley for it. That angle would have been fine, had Cena not run them both off after no-selling a lead pipe on Monday.

2. The entire match was essentially nullified once it was overturned and Cena was pretty much back to full strength. He wasn't selling jack shit once he started his comeback. Would it have been that big of a deal for Cena to show SOME humanity to him by selling that he was just in a thirty minute beatdown? That's really my biggest problem with Cena. His lack of selling after his final fire up.

Otherwise, the match was fine. I wasn't thrilled with the way Miz tapped out immediately, and I think that could have been done a bit differently, but I agree that it showed Miz's cowardice and that does make it ok.

That said, it was a pretty good PPV. Great match between Christian vs. Orton, and really opened the possibility for Orton vs Christian as the SummerSlam main event, if they simmer it for a few months.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Triple H and Vader can pull off badass heel. Other than that, cowardly heel is 500000000000000000 times more entertaining. No exaggeration.

[chrisat928]

God I love this shit.

I am a fan of Cena just because of what he does to the smarks.

Fuck it is funny.

[owenbrown]

You do remember that the Miz won the main event at Wrestlemania yes?

you do notice I said AFTER Wrestlemania

[CSL]

god damn under 2 months with no heels going over in PPV mains after a heel went over in the main of the biggest PPV of the year! fuck WWE

[Lock Jaw]

Also, the Michael Cole/Lawler match was pretty much what it should have been at Mania. Straight up beatdown of Cole, decisive Lawler win, post-match Cole humiliation.

[Lock Jaw]

Randy Orton is totally a heel. He has a beard!

[Mr. Pierre]

-Rey/Truth was a nice opener, and it was definitely the right move to put Truth over here. I wonder if they'll actually push Truth to the title.
-Barrett/Zeke was better than I had predicted. Nothing too special, but it set up a rematch well.
-Cara/Chavo was a decent showcase. Can't stand that stupid lighting though. And what the hell was that finish? Oh well.
-Tag Titles was entertaining to me for biased reasons since Punk's matches seem to be my favorite.
-Divas match was decent also. Not quite sure what the whole "Kharma's not here now" thing is all about, but w/e.
-Orton/Christian was MOTN by far. Nice to hear that Christian was getting a great (possibly better) response than Orton was getting. I can tell we are still in Act 1 of this feud, and this still has plenty of legs. Really anticipating where this one is headed.
-Lawler/Cole was what should have happened at Mania (as LJ said). Nice to see this one finally done with.
-Main event was an entertaining ass-kicking. Told a good story and had a cool false finish.

I think I enjoyed this one because of the low expectations I had for it and I was surprised on some parts. Nothing special though. Overall the PPV was probably the worst of 2011 for me, which isn't a bad thing since I feel all the PPVs have been at least very good. If you haven't seen it, the only must-see is Orton/Christian.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

you do notice I said AFTER Wrestlemania

so the heel going over at the biggest show of the year wasn't good enough?

see this is why Vinny Mac doesn't care about smarks

[owenbrown]

at least change things up a bit... The old "face starts off strong then gets beat up by the heel for 20+ minutes then the face miraculously comes back to win" schtick gets really old the first 1000 times you see it

[Supreme Olajuwon]

at least change things up a bit... The old "face starts off strong then gets beat up by the heel for 20+ minutes then the face miraculously comes back to win" schtick gets really old the first 1000 times you see it

you mean like having the heel go over in the main event at Wresltemania

pretty sure that's changing it up

[Shadrick]

So Orton wins and Cena wins after no-selling that punishment he took. Cool.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

All I know is this moves us one step closer to Cena/Del Rio AKA feud of the year

hollaaaaaaaaaaa

[Majunior]

Ok, so... just getting home from the PPV, a couple things I noticed...

Daniel Bryan got a strong response all through the dark match. (It's to be expected though.)

The crowd wasn't particularly into the first half of the show.

They tended to be pretty mixed for the matches they were into. Very few obvious crowd favorites.

Chavo limped out with a ref supporting him after his match.

Big Zeke does clotheslines, bodyslams, and... no, that's about it. Strangely, he seems to have copied Mason Ryan's move set.

Christian and Orton was by far the best match of the night.

At least around me, anyone over the age of 14 who wasn't a female was pretty disgusted with the Miz vs. Cena match. I don't know how it came across on TV, but by and large a lot of us were bored with the whole "I'm gonna hit you twice and then talk to you for five minutes" schtick. We became quite certain Miz's secret plan to make Cena say "I quit" was not, in fact, Riley -- it was to bore him so bad that he would quit just to make Miz shut up.

[James Diesel]

Was there live with a great seat.

Bryan/Drew: Very good dark match. Drew came out to mixed reactions. Bryan got a massive hometown pop. Pretty solid match ending with a Labell Lock.

Rey/Truth: Just wasn't feeling Truth the whole match. Rey was very popular around Seattle including his KISW interview with BJ Shea. Huge reaction for Rey but didn't feel the ending.

Zeke/Wade: Enjoyed the match a lot actually and loved Jackson's power display. Disappointed that the ending didn't include a 450.

Sin/Chavo: Massive pop for Sin Cara. Liked the entire match until the botched ending.

BigKane/Nexus: Huge pop for Punk (and Del Rio for that matter). Really solid match with a standard finish. Thoroughly enjoyed myself.

Bella/Kelly: Sigh.....Twin Magic. No Kharma. Wish I'd taken a smoke break.

Orton/Christian: Fantastic match. No fault in my eyes. Great crowd reaction on both ends. Amazing ending.

Lawler/Cole: Pretty much everything you'd expect out of that match.....until BRET HART BRINGS 16000 PEOPLE TO THEIR FEET!!!!! I and 6 others reported tears at the sight of him. Great pop for JR and King.

Cena/Miz: Great pop for Miz, 50/50 for Cena. Looked like a good snuff match for a while and then the "ending" which just didnt go over well, neither did the actual ending.

All in all, good show, very happy i was there.

Diesel - Seattle

[Fignuts]

Really wanna see this Christian/Orton match.

Also, Cena winning is perfectly fine, but no selling a huge beating is a legit complaint.

[Rock Bottom]

u no wat i am glad cena win he show u that even agenst 2 opnant good wil prevale so u think ur untouchable well bud u just gt TOUCH'd

[James Steele]

Really wanna see this Christian/Orton match.

Also, Cena winning is perfectly fine, but no selling a huge beating is a legit complaint.

No, you just are a whiny smark. Quit being such a bitch. [/supreme olajuwon & his wrestling hipster friends]

[Supreme Olajuwon]

No, you just are a whiny smark. Quit being such a bitch. [/supreme olajuwon & his wrestling hipster friends]Ending was kinda eh but it was expected.

You really captured my feelings on this one. You NAILED it.

[VSG]

Hey any of you niggums know where I can watch a replay right now?

Ya, anyone? I couldn't keep my eyes open after Orton-Christian. Too tired :'(

[Innovator]

So hows everyone feel about Sin Cara's lighting? I like that the idea that it makes his matches stand out, but i think it takes away from the match overall, can't see things clearly.

[Londoner]

I'd like a link to though i can watch it later tonight on repeat i think.

[VSG]

So hows everyone feel about Sin Cara's lighting? I like that the idea that it makes his matches stand out, but i think it takes away from the match overall, can't see things clearly.

If I had your wife next to me, I wouldn't be able to see things clearly either :naughty:

[Tommy Gunn]

Cena overcomes the odds, we all called it and expected it, my problem is Miz tapping out straight away makes him look weak and out of his depth. They could have had him struggle for a good 20-30 seconds first, at least then he would have looked stronger.

[Razzamajazz]

has there ever been a ppv thread where there wasn't 3+ pages of complaining after it was over?

[LK]

Well I've just watched the whole show now (managed to stay awake until the World Heavyweight Championship match) so my 2 cents are:

Liked R-Truth's promo and him winning the match quite convincingly - really hope they carry this on and he is next in line to challenge Cena (although I suspect they will go with Del Rio so I would like them to have him work a program with someone like Evan Bourne)

Zeke Jackson and Wade Barrett was pretty dreadful. Thought Barrett carried it as well as he could but Jackson's obvious limitations became very apparent. Can he do anything else other than a bodyslam? How I expected it to finish, can probably expect a re-match - yay!

Sin Cara vs Chavo was ok but some of the botched spots were just so obvious, no more than the finish. Could tell both guys were pretty unhappy at the end and it's just another example of Cara probably trying too hard or doing too much which I fear he may suffer reprecussions for. Would like to think Cara goes into a program with Daniel Bryan (God I hate calling him that) but doubt that as well.

Alberto Del Rio promo - what was the point really?

I would like to say that CM Punk is the single most entertaining guy on the roster. He reminded me so much of Ric Flair throughout that match and his tribute to Savage was pretty cool. Unfortunately he was all that I can praise out of a pretty bad tag match involving one of the worst workers on the roster right now (yes I'm talking about the guy with the tame Welsh accent)

Divas match - without an appearance from Kharma, I didn't really get the point of this either.

Great match from Christian and Orton. Easily the best match of the night and we can only that this is only the beginning of the story between these two. They could go for months with this.

Cole and Lawler was what I expected other than the appearance from Bret which was pretty damn cool. Now please let this be the end of it and take Cole off TV for some time and put JR back on Raw and let everything be alright with the world, at least at the announce table.

Miz vs Cena - I'm really split on this. I think Miz had a pretty lame reign as Champion. I firmly believe him having Cole in his corner didn't help and this match has effectively buried him as a main event heel. I get the idea that the hero takes all kinds of punishment and refuses to quit but it could have been a much more even match rather than Cena getting beat for half an hour before whipping the bad guy a few times and then making give up in a submission move after a matter of seconds. On the other hand it lets us go somewhere else with the WWE title (R-Truth or Alberto Del Rio please)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Cena overcomes the odds, we all called it and expected it, my problem is Miz tapping out straight away makes him look weak and out of his depth. They could have had him struggle for a good 20-30 seconds first, at least then he would have looked stronger.

I would agree in certain circumstances, but to me it was a pretty appropriate reaction from the Miz. He was basically playing the schoolyard bully role last night beating up Cena with his lackey's help. But what happens when you put a bully into a fair fight? He becomes a coward. And Miz pulled that transition off beautifully.

[Innovator]

I would agree in certain circumstances, but to me it was a pretty appropriate reaction from the Miz. He was basically playing the schoolyard bully role last night beating up Cena with his lackey's help. But what happens when you put a bully into a fair fight? He becomes a coward. And Miz pulled that transition off beautifully.

I did like at the end how JR was putting Miz over as "showing a different side of him in the match".

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I just don't get why so many people are against the cowardly heel character now. In fact I may just go make a thread about it. ttyl

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nah not worth it. Especially since people aren't actually against cowardly heels. They're just against anything that makes Cena look strong. Which I don't understand why people feel the need to mask their hatred for Cena and pretend they're criticizing the booking.
We all know you hate the guy. Just be open about it. Don't try to smarten up your hatred by claiming Cena winning makes the Miz look weak. The Miz looks better than ever. Just let the hate flow.

[LK]

Nah not worth it. Especially since people aren't actually against cowardly heels. They're just against anything that makes Cena look strong. Which I don't understand why people feel the need to mask their hatred for Cena and pretend they're criticizing the booking.
We all know you hate the guy. Just be open about it. Don't try to smarten up your hatred by claiming Cena winning makes the Miz look weak. The Miz looks better than ever. Just let the hate flow.
He just got jobbed out after less than a minute of offence. Don't really see how this makes him look strong.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, gotta echo the sentiments of many here. Great match, great story, ending was crap. Should have definitely chopped a few minutes off of Miz' offense and given it to Cena. That way he could have properly beaten the fuck out of Miz, making his quitting look more legitimate. I know he's a cowardly heel, but quitting after only one move in an I Quit match is retarded no matter who the opponent is. Makes him look terrible and negates the bad-assery that he was displaying the rest of the match.

But, Cena winning was expected and the right move. Miz winning would have just led to Cena/Miz Part 4 at Capitol Punishment. Time to change it up, hopefully Del Rio's turn now.</font>

[Tommy Gunn]

They're just against anything that makes Cena look strong.

I like Cena, I'm just saying there was a way for both guys to come out of it looking strong.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He just got jobbed out after less than a minute of offence. Don't really see how this makes him look strong.

There are more ways to look strong than being tough in a fair fight. That's not what a heel is supposed to do. A good heel makes the crowd think that even though the face is the better man, the heel might win because he'll do whatever is necessary to steal a win. We all know that the Miz is a coward. We knew that before the match started. We've known that for years. We also know he's a cheater who takes advantages of oppprtunities to win. It has nothing to do with if he could beat Cena in a fair fight.

This is the most basic fundamental principle of professional wrestling, and everyone is ignoring it because they don't want Cena to win. But just because we're rooting for the heel doesn't mean the principles of the heel/face dynamic stop applying.

[MIZantine Empire]

there are rare times when i think cole is actually funny, tonight was one, minus the whole foot talk. i actually like how him and booker react with one another often times u can hear one of them laughing or see them in the background cracking up. i lol'd hard when cole made fun of booker aster the "wolf in sheeps clothing" line sayin "he's like a lion in lions clothing, or whatever booker said" lol. i was waiting for someone to make a supersonics comment, which im sure has been done before, but with the success of the oklahoma city thunder this year, thought it would have been funny. also loved the pump fake from christian off the second rope, i was like here he goes, jumping off, then rko..but nope..was a nice add on into the match.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I like Cena, I'm just saying there was a way for both guys to come out of it looking strong.

The ending could have been done better, but it didn't make the Miz look weak. It made him look like a bully who got put in his place. That was 100% in line with his character.

And besides, you know as well as I do that no one will care about how quickly the Miz quit after Raw tonight. Just like no one would care if he held out an additional minute before quitting.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Oh yeah, and the people who said they couldn't get into the match because they knew who would win are retarded. Cena/Miz (minus the questionable ending) and Orton/Christian were both fantastic bouts.

If knowing the outcome effects your ability to enjoy the match, you may as well take a hiatus until WM28 cause there's basically no way Cena loses the belt before then. And even if he did, he'd win it back in the Elimination Chamber or something. Cena/Rock for the title is something WWE will not pass up on.</font>

[Innovator]

The ending could have been done better, but it didn't make the Miz look weak. It made him look like a bully who got put in his place. That was 100% in line with his character.

And besides, you know as well as I do that no one will care about how quickly the Miz quit after Raw tonight. Just like no one would care if he held out an additional minute before quitting.

If you want to criticize that match, the what felt like 5 minute promo breaks in between action could have been cut down.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Alls I is sayin is if that was the Undertaker or Kurt Angle making Miz quit in their respective submission holds, I highly doubt we would be having these discussions. It's all about Cena.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I don't speak for the majority here since Cena could cure cancer and most of the IWC would still hate him, but I would have been upset at the finish no matter who it was. Just because of the match type. I Quit matches imply you'll need to beat the fuck out of somebody to make them quit. One lone move shouldn't do that.

But I digress. Still looking forward to seeing how the main event scene changes tonight. I think Del Rio might stay in a holding pattern actually so that they could squeeze in a quick program with Truth and Cena before Morrison returns. It'll also free up Miz to feud with Rey which should be fun. Del Rio to the WWE Title picture by Summerslam.</font>

[LK]

Believe it or not folks this has nothing to do with Cena. If it was Bryan, Taker, Angle whoever you want to name that got the hell beaten out of them, then no-sold all of it and made Miz give up in less than a minute, then I would still be saying: really? What harm could have come from cutting 5 minutes of the Miz beatdown into Cena beating the hell out of him for 5 minutes, then making him say I quit?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

So how long did the beatdown last until Cena rallied?

Might have to check the Orton Christian match by the sounds of it. Sin Cara/Chavo any good? Can't tell from te thread vibe.

[Majunior]

Cena vs. Miz was in no way a fantastic bout. The main event shouldn't be that boring.
I was pretty happy with the card overall, and like everyone else I think Orton and Christian stole the show hands down, but I'm just not seeing why so many people were into the Cena/Miz snoozefest. Maybe it came across better on TV? But seriously, it felt like there was more action in the Bellas vs. Kelly Kelly match. It was a giant promo that was interrupted from time to time when Miz would hit Cena twice. *yawn*

[The MAC]

best moment :bret harts return. Looks like he dyed his hair.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Believe it or not folks this has nothing to do with Cena. If it was Bryan, Taker, Angle whoever you want to name that got the hell beaten out of them, then no-sold all of it and made Miz give up in less than a minute, then I would still be saying: really? What harm could have come from cutting 5 minutes of the Miz beatdown into Cena beating the hell out of him for 5 minutes, then making him say I quit?

The no selling doesn't come from the bookers, and it wasn't a planned reaction that was special to this match. That's all Cena. That's his thing. He gets the adrenaline rush and becomes unstoppable.

So to say you'd be mad if Daniel Bryan acted like that is meaningless, because that's not what Bryan does. But it's exactly what Cena does and it's what he's done for years.



Again I don't understand why people refuse to just flat out say "I didn't like it because I hate Cena's style."

[Xero]

So how long did the beatdown last until Cena rallied?

Might have to check the Orton Christian match by the sounds of it. Sin Cara/Chavo any good? Can't tell from te thread vibe.

Outside of a few bursts of offense from Cena, pretty much the entire match was either Miz offense or Miz cutting a promo. Outside out downtime, I'd say 20 minutes.

[The MAC]

Cena can do what ever the fuck he wants. He currently is the man in WWE. If he wants to no sell then, sure as fuck, he will no sell. If hogan becamse a legend no-selling then who's to say that Cena can't as well.

Would be great if everyone just changes the channel when Cena is on.

Oh, Bret VS cole ..lets see it on raw!

[Majunior]

Outside of a few bursts of offense from Cena, pretty much the entire match was either Miz offense or Miz cutting a promo. Outside out downtime, I'd say 20 minutes.

It should be mentioned that of that time, it was MOSTLY Miz cutting a promo. Very small bursts of offense.

As for the match with Cara and Chavo, it was pretty good. A few botches -- most notably the ending, which I think ended with a slightly injured Chavo as he limped out with help after the match -- but pretty good. I think it may have been a case of trying to do too much that led to the mess-ups.

I like the lighting in Cara's matches. It's different, unique, and it doesn't take anything away.

[Razzamajazz]

this i quit match was nearly identical to the one against orton at breaking point a couple years ago, anyone else notice that?

[Slow]

7 year rule strikes again, (or 10?) Miz doing a corporate Rock recording Mankind say I Quit on Heat

Miz really needs to learn to hide the evidence!

[Lock Jaw]

Alex Riley needs to keep better track of his cell phone

[Xero]

this i quit match was nearly identical to the one against orton at breaking point a couple years ago, anyone else notice that?

Yeah, I did. I was thinking it was a Batista match, but you're right, it was the Orton match.