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Fignuts
05-23-2011, 02:26 AM
Who downloaded Lady Gaga's new album?
dronepool
05-23-2011, 02:30 AM
I liked it enough to buy it, musically, production wise and message wise, it's great.
Fignuts
05-23-2011, 03:49 AM
Haven't listened to it yet, but yeah Gaga is good stuff.
I probably will, eventually. Wasn't really wow'd by Judas tho, so we'll see
El Vaquero de Infierno
05-23-2011, 06:25 AM
You bunch of gay boys.
Cooler Tom Schuler
05-23-2011, 07:02 AM
I don't mind Lady Gaga, but I never actively seek her music. I always seem to hear it incidentally.
Kris P Lettus
05-23-2011, 08:13 AM
Stop going to gay bars..
LuigiD
05-23-2011, 10:43 AM
No intent of buying it but just a heads up..
If you have Amazon student you can get this for 0.99 cents today. You also get your cloud drive upgraded to 20 gigs.
Gertner
05-23-2011, 01:03 PM
I definitely will be. Lady Gaga is fantastic.
I have not but I'm sure the 9 singles released from the album will be played multiple times on the radio station the missus listens to
Blitz
05-23-2011, 03:18 PM
I did. Haven't listened yet though.
Seth82
05-23-2011, 03:46 PM
I definitely will be. Lady Gaga is fantastic.
same here
I am definitely picking up a copy one of these days
not a huge fan of Judas though
ron the dial
05-23-2011, 04:08 PM
what is it about her that all of you seem to see and i'm missing? because she's just not this good. i don't get it.
El Fangel
05-23-2011, 04:14 PM
I have not but I'm sure the 9 singles released from the album will be played multiple times per hour on the radio station the missus listens to
Fixed it for you.
FakeLaser
05-23-2011, 05:31 PM
Honestly
No. I didn't
Miotch
05-23-2011, 06:00 PM
Nope.
It was placed in a folder where our new music gets delivered for my department, and I drug it into my itunes. I listened and didn't really care for it. Not my thing.
Fignuts
05-24-2011, 01:46 AM
Just finished listening.
Love it.
Downunder
05-24-2011, 03:10 AM
Nope - she is shit
and banned in my house
Cooler Tom Schuler
05-24-2011, 05:47 AM
Stop going to gay bars..
Noted.
Corporate CockSnogger
05-24-2011, 08:21 AM
what is it about her that all of you seem to see and i'm missing? because she's just not this good. i don't get it.
She seems to generally have hit a niche with rock fans. It's a strange one, it seems to me that a lot of general rock fans (who moreso than fans of other genres seem to disregard any commercialised music) think they are breaking the mould and being "controversial" within their own controversial sub-culture by enjoying a catchy pop artist. I could be massively wrong though.
I won't get it but I'll inevitably hear most of it at some point in time. There's worse things out there.
Buzzkill
05-25-2011, 03:17 PM
I have said many times that Paparazzi by Lady GaGa has 23 listens on my iTunes, and I will probably download this at some point.
Buzzkill
05-25-2011, 03:21 PM
Btw as to why I like her, she's the first pop star in like a decade who has some legitimate musical talent. She's no Thom Yorke, but she's got a great voice and is a pretty solid pianist. Not to mention the absurdly catchy production. Yeah I realize she is mostly just a prefabricated product, but I don't listen to her for her integrity.
Seth82
05-25-2011, 03:23 PM
I've actually went to her concert awhile back
she's amazing and can actually sing
Blitz
05-25-2011, 09:47 PM
Listened today. Starts off pretty hot but sags in the middle. Closing track is the goods though. And Judas gets catchier every time I hear it.
Fignuts
05-25-2011, 09:57 PM
She seems to generally have hit a niche with rock fans. It's a strange one, it seems to me that a lot of general rock fans (who moreso than fans of other genres seem to disregard any commercialised music) think they are breaking the mould and being "controversial" within their own controversial sub-culture by enjoying a catchy pop artist. I could be massively wrong though.
Or it's just because of the last thing you said. You know, it being catchy and all.
Nicky Fives
05-26-2011, 01:07 PM
Not a chance in Hell.....
The Mask
05-26-2011, 06:06 PM
nope. i think that judas song is ok though apart from the bit where it turns into a gay 90s pop song though.
The Mask
05-26-2011, 06:06 PM
also dislike the way she has to put "gaga" into every song as if we'd forget who she was
Kris P Lettus
05-26-2011, 08:47 PM
This thread makes me sad..
Yeah, pretty sad that people have varying tastes in music.
dronepool
05-26-2011, 11:21 PM
She's actually the only actual "pop star" (I don't mean popular rock band or artist) that I can I say that I like/respect. Her HBO show was great and she actually has talent and good musical influences. She's also pretty damn smart and funny, she knows the deal/what she's doing.
This is old but awesome...
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I think this 'she's the only pop star with any talent/for the last however long' schtick is a bit short-sighted/resembling an excuse for somebody that would feel 'ashamed' for whatever reason for listening to her music. If you like the catchy songs or have bought into her gimmick then all the power to you but she's nothing ground-breaking or particularly original, she just comes wrapped in fancy, "wacky" packaging that seems to make her more accessible to some people outside the usual targets of this kind of brand/marketing. Fair play to her and her bank balance.
ron the dial
05-26-2011, 11:59 PM
i'd just like to think if she was anything out of the ordinary i'd notice it. but i just can't. kudos to some of you, i guess.
dronepool
05-27-2011, 03:55 AM
I think this 'she's the only pop star with any talent/for the last however long' schtick is a bit short-sighted/resembling an excuse for somebody that would feel 'ashamed' for whatever reason for listening to her music. If you like the catchy songs or have bought into her gimmick then all the power to you but she's nothing ground-breaking or particularly original, she just comes wrapped in fancy, "wacky" packaging that seems to make her more accessible to some people outside the usual targets of this kind of brand/marketing. Fair play to her and her bank balance.
But she's actually smart and she's self-aware of what she does, she actually could sing and play piano, has a rock backround... if it's some elaborate gimmick, fine..... but her message and positive out reach is cool and there shouldn't be any shame in liking any type of music. Music is music. It's just her sound and message appeal to some people, I like the mix of rock, pop, rave and piano music. I use to be annoyed but after giving her a chance, I respect her.
dronepool
05-27-2011, 04:04 AM
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From the desk of Lady Gaga:
Glam culture is ultimately rooted in obsession, and those of us who are truly devoted and loyal to the lifestyle of glamour are masters of its history. Or, to put it more elegantly, we are librarians. I myself can look at almost any hemline, silhouette, beadwork, or heel architecture and tell you very precisely who designed it first, what French painter they stole it from, how many designers reinvented it after them, and what cultural and musical movement parented the birth, death, and resurrection of that particular trend. So dear critics and bullies: get your library cards out, because I’m about to do a reading.
An expertise in the vocabulary of fashion, art, and pop culture requires a tremendous amount of studying. My studio apartment on the LES, quite similar to many of my hotel suites now (knock on wood), was covered in inspiration. Everything from vintage books and magazines I found at the Strand on 12th Street to my dad’s old Bowie posters to metal records from my best friend Lady Starlight to Aunt Merle’s hand-me-down emerald-green designer pumps were sprawled all over the floor about two feet from my bathroom and four inches from my George Foreman Grill. (Starlight was always jealous that mine had a bun warmer and hers didn’t.) And in my downtime, which meant whenever I wasn’t waitressing, go-go dancing, or making mixtapes for a music publishing company in Times Square, I was analyzing and studying my library. I would dream of being a rock star who dressed like Marc Bolan, walked like Jerry Hall, and had the panache of Ginger from Casino and the mystery of Isabella Blow.1 See footnote.
Any writer, or anyone for that matter, who doesn’t understand the last two sentences of this column should NEVER be writing about or critiquing fashion or artists in publication. As someone who references and annotates her work vigilantly, I am putting all of you on notice. I’ve done my homework, have you? Where are your library cards? Did they expire? When Yves Saint Laurent designed the “Mondrian” day dress for fashion week Fall/Winter 1965, did he plagiarize or revolutionize? Some people would say he was unoriginal, that he traced an iconic contemporary artwork by Piet Mondrian, and stole it for his own merits. Others may argue that by referencing something so “before its time,” he influenced an entire generation in fashion that transformed the female body with a more linear sensibility, graphics, and painterly shape. We now call it “mod.” Picass said, “Good artists copy; great artists steal.” Maybe he only said that because he and Matisse were in a bitchy queen fight for two decades (some called it a boxing match, I call it a conversation in art). But maybe it’s just that the resolution is: art gives birth to new art. There is no chicken or egg. It’s molecular. Cells give birth to cells. To put it more bluntly, the Hussein Chalayan vessel I wore at the Grammys wasn’t inspired by a chicken. It was stolen from an egg. But the transformation, the context, and the approach taken to reinterpret the meaning of birth and rebirth in terms of fame on a fucking red carpet — this is what creates the modernity of the statement. The past undergoes mitosis, becoming the originality of the future.
The Haus of Gaga, my (our) own pop-cultural family and living Warholian factory, talked endlessly about the initial vision for “Born This Way.” On the set of the video, it was almost terrifyingly important to me that I tribute Rico (the Zombie Boy’s) tattoos, creating a visual metaphor where tattoos, along with the body modification I had been exploring, became a subcultural symbol for rebirth. Rico in this case was my Mondrian. After I put the makeup on, I found myself dancing and flailing at 9 a.m., after twenty-four hours of no sleep on set. Feeling young and free, it occurred that the makeup allowed me to erase the public’s perception of my beauty, and define it for myself. I asked Rico, “Why did you tattoo yourself this way?” (Something I imagine he’s asked quite frequently.) He said very genuinely, with no hesitation, “Bazooka gum.”2 See footnote. And just like that, as many of the creations in my brain take form, I realized, and so did the Haus, that not only did I need to reunite with my youth, i.e. “Bazooka gum,” but that my fans needed to see me in that juvenile way in order to understand the intention behind why I wrote “Born This Way.” Accompanied with a side ponytail, it took me back to moments when I was just a little baby monster. When my mother would perch a pony high on my hair and we would dance so hard to the tape deck that the perfectly perched pony she fashioned would fall to the side. I had to take an uncomfortable journey back into high school, where my youth represented tears. Wishing I had a mask. Hoping that I could artistically hide the wounds buried deep from years of being bullied. I have since reckoned with this psychology in my performance art. But this time, the revelation was clear: I still want to wear the mask, but now I wear it proud, and with the same effervescence and innocence I had when I was 6, dancing with my mom.
After I performed “Born This Way” at the Grammys, it seemed as though the piece was interpreted as an engagement for battle. And the whole performance was a battle cry in essence — for freedom against forces of inequality and prejudice. But as quickly as the song catapulted to number one, a more subtle controversy exploded. “Born This Way” was a triumph as a pop song and a social statement, but it ultimately revealed another division: the reality that the young generations’ challenges with equality and social justice are just as prevalent now as they were twenty-five years ago. And while “Born This Way” was written for every walk of life, I began to feel my youngest fans were longing to be nurtured, while others felt they already had been. Perhaps in this way the song was not for everyone, although the intention was such. And perhaps I was naïve to hope everyone would unfold the true meaning of my performance piece the way I unfolded YSL’s “Mondrian” dress. Instead, I am caught between two forces: one holding onto a ponytail, and another screaming “I don’t want to be angry, I want to be free.”
“I DON’T WANT TO BE A DRAG, I JUST WANT TO BE A QUEEN.”
I have a passionate understanding of the history of many of the references that not only I have reinspired, but have been reinterpreted over centuries of fashion: where they came from, what they meant, and specifically how they became modern again. I have concurrently shown that I could “read you” in this subject, but I would rather reckon with the fact that many are clinging tightly to cultural divisiveness and leaving home without library cards.
Just like sometimes Picasso was Matisse’s Mondrian, and vice versa. Bowie is often my Mondrian, as are Michael Jackson, Prince, Lita Ford, and Madonna. Mugler is my silhouette’s Mondrian, Cindy Crawford is my sexuality’s, Kermit is my whimsy’s, and, in my “Born This Way” video, two of my Mondrians were Francis Bacon and Salvador Dalí. In a lot of ways the “idea” of being obsessed with art is my Mondrian. Just like Campbell’s Tomato Soup was Warhol’s Mondrian, and Marilyn Monroe and Maripol were Madonna’s. I am obsessed with all the authors in the library of pop culture.
I do not define, however, my artistry or historical relevance with one particular fashion or musical statement. And I don’t believe any of the artists I mentioned do either. Rather, I find freedom in my ability to transform and liberate myself (and others) with art and style* — because those are the things that freed me from my sadness, from the social scars. Furthermore, I am in no way encouraging anyone to emulate my fashion sense, but rather setting a, hopefully, liberating example for anyone to look inside and know they can become any image or projection imaginable. I am an obsessed pop cultural expert. And, perhaps, between my music, performance art, and this column, I will be remembered as such. After weeks of writing this article I asked out loud, “What do you think YSL would think of my metaphor about his collection?” My darling hair designer Frederic replied, “You could ask Nan Kempner, but she’s dead.” Now that’s a queen who never left home without her library card.
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1. Mirrored bikini inspired by Bolan Scuba Suit, Mugler runway model walk, a past romance with drugs and costume jewelry à la Scorsese. Lobster Philip Treacy hat.
2. For those of you who’ve never had it, it’s a retro chewing gum that comes with whimsical stick-on temporary tattoos.
The Naitch
05-27-2011, 11:58 AM
she always cries in her videos too, at the end, sup with that
ron the dial
05-27-2011, 12:48 PM
i actually like her less after reading that.
ron the dial
05-27-2011, 12:51 PM
and does/did bazooka joe ever have temporary tattoos? or just the comics?
Zelda
05-29-2011, 02:15 PM
I might.
St. Jimmy
05-29-2011, 02:21 PM
Gaga? No. Ke$ha? Yes.
Fignuts
05-29-2011, 03:37 PM
Gonna go ahead and agree with Blitz's assessment on this album starts out great, drags, but then finishes strong at the end.
Cooler Tom Schuler
05-30-2011, 05:49 AM
Gaga? No. Ke$ha? Yes.
This is the opposite of good.
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