According to Bischoff, we're all irrelevant.

[Innovator]

From his twitter:

"Seems like 90% of the audience loves what the loudest 10% hates. So who really matters? The 10%er's can't get over the fact that they are irrelevant. Ratings don't lie. Research doesn't lie. IWC smarks need to get over it."

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Thanks Eric!

[The Jayman]

The last time Bischoff was relevant was 1998

[Innovator]

Nah, 97. The wheels were off the tracks in 1998 already.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He's using ratings as evidence that TNA is doing the right things? Really?

[Gertner]

He's right.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He is sort of right in the way of not catering to smart marks, but he's delusional if he doesn't think that they have lots of work to do.

[BigDaddyCool]

good

[legendkillerRKO]

so if we are so irrelevant why is he taking time to address us via Twitter?

[legendkillerRKO]

and to answer my own question...the internet is the most powerful marketing tool these days...so if the internet is down on your product and someone can google TNA and it takes them to a forum about how TNA sucks, it can influence that other 90% who cant think for themselves

[Volare]

Doesn't help when the 90% you cater too are mostly tards. So does that mean the show is retarded?

[Fox]

Bischoff is lost. Maybe back in 1996-98 the internet smarks weren't that important, but this is 2011 for Christ's sake. I'm willing to bet that more than 50% of TNA's most die-hard fans are all on the internet in some form or another - they read rajah.com, they all know who Ryan Clark is, and as legendkillerRKO said above, they read others' opinions about how TNA sucks all the fucking time.

This is not your grandma's world of wrestling. If he doesn't "get" that the internet is a major arena of opinions that a company like TNA should be using as an ADVANTAGE to start catering to what the fans are actually looking for, then he's really really lost.

[ron the dial]

pretty sure tough enough is getting better ratings than impact so it's all good.

[Volare]

I'd put money on that.

[Nicky Fives]

He's right, but a company could still target that 10% and make a shit-ton of money while doing it.....

[Volare]

Um, I don't think another "ECW" is gonna happen again, unless ROH shoots up out of nowhere.

[jskinnyg]

Bischoff lost his water wings a LONG time ago... He's treading water with a lot of em at IMPACT and living off his millions... He can afford to tread where the young kids in TNA can't... tough stuff...

[Jordan]

That 10% is about 40 or 50% of the Impact Wrestling audience, Bisch needs to smarten up a little bit. He clearly is a cancer to any wrestling company he works for. He's just in it for himself, in this case, probably to fund whatever venture he is getting into next with Jason Hervey.

[NormanSmiley]

He is right. the #s for wwe and tna rarely fluctuate on a weekly basis. so the 10% who say tna sucks at everything they do, and the 10% who say christian got robbed, and that rey mysterio is the most annoying thing ever cannot change those ratings. if you turn off your tv they dont care. in fact they hate you even more cause you pirate all their shit for free and don't buy the masks at shopzone

[Jordan]

He is right. the #s for wwe and tna rarely fluctuate on a weekly basis. so the 10% who say tna sucks at everything they do, and the 10% who say christian got robbed, and that rey mysterio is the most annoying thing ever cannot change those ratings. if you turn off your tv they dont care. in fact they hate you even more cause you pirate all their shit for free and don't buy the masks at shopzone

When they make a product that makes me want to pay then I'll pay. I'm sure the rest of the audience would stream PPV's too if they knew how to do it.

[XL]

Pretty sure WWE or TNA would shit themselves if thy had a suden 10% drop in ratings. The fact is, we "smarks" keep watching regardless, so that 10% of irrelevant whiners are still keeping the numbers up (even if they are poor) therefore they on't fluctuate.

Of course, there are IWC fans like me who watch all their wrestlng via YouTube and don't figure in the ratings but that is another point entirely.

[XL]

When they make a product that makes me want to pay then I'll pay. I'm sure the rest of the audience would stream PPV's too if they knew how to do it.
C'mon man. That's bullshit. You'd suddenly start paying if the Attitude Era (quality wise) came back? I don't buy that for a second.

[MIZantine Empire]

When they make a product that makes me want to pay then I'll pay. I'm sure the rest of the audience would stream PPV's too if they knew how to do it.
whats funny about this, is alot of times you have to dig deep to find a TNA ppv stream. and when you do, it is 99 percent of the time never shut down. the last wwe ppvs stream thankfully never got shutdown, but you can see the comparison between the products. i used to be so big on TNA before hogan and bischoff, i preferred it over wwe. now TNA is like those melissa ethridge sad animal abuse commercials, i just cant watch

[Jordan]

Dig deep? Nah man, you go to Justin.tv any TNA PPV has a great stream there.

[Jordan]

They don't hire people to shut them down like WWE does.

[Steveviscious89]

I don't know about 10% versus 50% in this case, but I do know that TNA's ratings haven't budged an inch since Bischoff has had anything to do with it.....so perhaps he is correct; ratings don't lie.

[CSL]

He's pretty much right. No idea why he feels the need to address it though.

[Volare]

Because he gets to hear himself talk about how smart he is compared to the rest of us.

[Kalyx triaD]

He's very right about this. Especially in terms of hardcore vs casual-core audiences, and it applies to all forms of entertainment. Mentioning that he's past his prime, or how TNA sucks, doesn't really effect his point.

[dingdongyo]

When they make a product that makes me want to pay then I'll pay. I'm sure the rest of the audience would stream PPV's too if they knew how to do it.

you're seriously saying it's their fault you're stealing?

[SaskatchewanChamp]

Thank You Eric Bishoff!!!

He is 100% right, but I don't know what he wants to accomplish. It's not like any of you are going to stop bitching about TNA. The flock of sheep that most of you are will say, and do pretty much anything that is "In" with most of the CUNTs on these boards.

[TheChairman]

Well, I think for the most part he is right. However, that 10% he talks about being irrelevant, well I am sure each one has two friends, and those two friends have two more. I am sure you all see where I am going with this, so the fact that he says we are irrelevant shows how he is irrelevant in the business world.

[Kalyx triaD]

Doesn't matter - 10% is 10%, even though he's pulling that stat out his ass for conversation. It's hardcore minority vs majority fans.

Here:

The loud minority needs to understand that business appeals to the majority. Case in point: WWE's return to a PG era. If they wanted to appeal to the hardcore minority Cena would still be freestyling as a heel, Punk would be champion as a face, Divas would be slutty again, and Heyman would still have a job.

[Testicle]

I pretty much agree with Bischoff. He is just saying that you can't cater to the minority.

Also, I believe a lot of you think the IWC is larger than it is. I would say that 10% is being generous. Average wrestling fan watches on TV, might check WWE.com and that's it. A very small percentage of people spend their entire lives bitching on obscure wrestling forums such as this one.

[CSL]

Seriously. You see claims on the internet all the time, be it here, Youtube, Facebook, at shows and so forth that 'people want this', 'people want that', 'WWE don't know what they're doing' etc but most don't realize it's the very small minority and most of the actual paying audience are being catered for. There is also this sense of superiority when it comes to the perceived 'marks', the kids etc that they know so much more than them and so forth. These are the kind of people I have no qualms about pointing out how ridiculous they are.

[Lock Jaw]

*Raucous Cheer*

Give us hell, Bischoff!

[Vastardikai]

I agree with what he says.

However, the problem that Bisch has is, of the 90% that make up the majority, 75% don't know that TNA even exists.

I made up the last number, but it is like a major percentage. A lot of the "majority fans" HAVEN'T heard of TNA. They're watching the show of the majority, which is WWE.

[Wishbone]

Wow is Bischoff serious? We don't matter? I'm willing to bet that I'm one of the few hundred or so people who actually watch TNA religiously and I'd bet that most who do are Wrestling nerds like me who wander these and other forums. Bischoff seems to think that he's running a WWE/WCW type show when in reality he's just trying to make a large ROH show more like those promotions. TNA was fun because it was different and that's why the few fans like myself actually watched it. We got to see guys who had real ring savy go at it in amazing matches. Bischoff wants to relive the 'glory days' and be a person at the top of a major company again problem is TNA has never and will never be that company. Stick to what your good at and put on fun entertaining matches for people who want an alternative to WWE style don't try to compete on their level because well that's just plain ignorant.

[McLegend]

Man for being so small and insignificant Bischoff sure seems to talk a lot about the IWC.

[voncouch]

Chico Marx: “What has a trunk but no key, weighs 2000 pounds, and lives in a circus?”
Prosecutor: “That’s irrelevant!”
Chico: “Irrelevant! Hey, that’s the correct answer!”

[Theo Dious]

Why, for the love of fuck, is this news??? Bischoff says this every six months, and it's posted and discussed as if nobody ever heard it before???

[Theo Dious]

And, for people who agree with Bischoff, this is relevant to WWE, but not TNA. TNA needs the IWC to keep afloat.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

The problem I have with what Bischoff is saying is that it seems like he's saying the IWC (10% as he claims) is shitting on the product, while the majority of people like it.

The issue it's clearly not IWC = dislike, everyone else = like. Hate to break it to ya Eric, but there's going to be people in that other 90% who don't like you're product. Just because they're not vocal about it on the internet doesn't mean you're doing well.

There's going to be a portion of that 90% that is going to have a lot of the same complaints that your 10% IWC has.

A bit off topic, but Cena is a perfect case in point. In theory, the IWC hates Cena (the character/push, not the person) and they are vocal about it. However, watch Raw, and there is a LARGE amount of anti-Cena chants. That's not all the IWC, that's also casual fans who don't care enough to go online and bitch about it.

Ultimately, he'd be a lot smarter to treat the IWC as somewhat of a cross section of the general audience, and recognizing that a certain amount of your audience is going to be in line with them. Never assume the IWC and your "general fans" are polar opposites.

[Testicle]

Bisch never said that TNA is doing the right things / appealing to the masses, just that you can't go out of your way to appease the minorities, that is all. (addressing a lot of posts here)

[kareru]

IWC: "We hate you Bischoff"

Bischoff:"well that's fine because you're irrelevant"

IWC: *gasp* "HOW DARE YOU, i'm going on the internet to complain about this"

[Vastardikai]

IWC: "We hate you Bischoff"

Bischoff:"well that's fine because you're irrelevant"

Mainstream Fans: *gasp* "Eric Bischoff? What have you been DOING this past year?"

[MIZantine Empire]

Dig deep? Nah man, you go to Justin.tv any TNA PPV has a great stream there.
i meant for the average person, i have a website saved where i have watched every ppv from both brands for free with little to no problems. except for mania, but understandable why that was the case.

[Kalyx triaD]

That is so legal.

[RVDmark]

Catch us on Twitter, Friend us on Facebook, Buy from ShopTNA.com.

But internet fans dont matter.

:wtf:

[St. Jimmy]

The internet doesn't matter, clearly. Just look at Zack Ryder.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Malfeitor]

This is not on topic, but I was listening to the Kevin & Bean show here on KROQ in Los Angeles, and they brought up the story on the Chyna and TNA 'dispute' if you will.

One of the radio dudes said "What the hell is TNA wrestling?" and the other guy said "It must be an all woman wrestling company. You know, TNA."

I don't know, I thought that was funny.

[Londoner]

Catch us on Twitter, Friend us on Facebook, Buy from ShopTNA.com.

But internet fans dont matter.

:wtf:

hmmmm :shifty:

[TheChairman]

I don't know about anyone else, but I think only one thing needs to be said;

"I am damn proud to be in the 10%!"

[Sixx]

Yeah, ratings don't lie.

[Vastardikai]

This is not on topic, but I was listening to the Kevin & Bean show here on KROQ in Los Angeles, and they brought up the story on the Chyna and TNA 'dispute' if you will.

One of the radio dudes said "What the hell is TNA wrestling?" and the other guy said "It must be an all woman wrestling company. You know, TNA."

I don't know, I thought that was funny.

WWE never has anyone asking "What the hell is WWE?"

[Malfeitor]

Precisely!

[Majunior]

This is not on topic, but I was listening to the Kevin & Bean show here on KROQ in Los Angeles, and they brought up the story on the Chyna and TNA 'dispute' if you will.

One of the radio dudes said "What the hell is TNA wrestling?" and the other guy said "It must be an all woman wrestling company. You know, TNA."

I don't know, I thought that was funny.

That sums it up. Bischoff is busy bitching about some of the only fans in the world who actually know anything about his little company. The only "casual" fans they have are people at Universal Studios in Florida who wander by and see signs for TNA (I guess it would be Impact Wrestling now) and say, "Eh, why the hell not."

[Joesgonnakillyou]

This isn't really him making a point about the wrestling audience, this is Bischoff being a bitch because some guys on the internet don't like TNA and are vocal about it. In other words; he's a tool

[XL]

Catch us on Twitter, Friend us on Facebook, Buy from ShopTNA.com.

But internet fans dont matter.

:wtf:
Casual wrestling fans that use Twitter, Facebook and purchase from the net =/= Internet Wrestling Fans.

WWE never has anyone asking "What the hell is WWE?"
<strike>World Wrestling Entertainment</strike>

<strike>Sports Entertainment</strike>

A global entertainment company that puts on "events", has a "film company", a "music label" and publishes magazines. All ofwhich have nothing to do with wrestling.

[Vastardikai]

lol, XL.

Seriously, as much as they don't want to call themselves "Wrestling," no matter how they try to rebrand it, rename it, whatever, it's still fucking Wrestling to the same fans that they cater to.

In the words of Jim Cornette: "No one says they're going to the Sports Entertainment event."

[Vastardikai]

lol, XL.

Seriously, as much as they don't want to call themselves "Wrestling," no matter how they try to rebrand it, rename it, whatever, it's still fucking Wrestling to the same fans that they cater to.

In the words of Jim Cornette: "No one says they're going to the Sports Entertainment event."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eric Bischoff has got a point, but I wouldn't be bragging about ratings and PPV buys with TNA going the way it is.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

90 percent of what? The 200 people watching Impact Wrestling for free? The other 10 percent are getting kicked out for releasing spoilers to websites.

Bischoff has a loose grip on reality. If Hogan didn't go to TNA Eric Bischoff wouldn't have got a job there. That is irrelevant.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If, with the arrival of Bischoff and Hulk fucking Hogan (you know, the biggest star professional wrestling has ever known), there was some sort of continual growth -- I would lend more weight to Bischoff's words. But as it stands, TNA is not really doing anything with all the tools in the world. We are like 18 months into the Hogan-Bischoff regime, and there's been such little growth. They did get their highest rating since that big January 4 show (I think) lately, but it dropped back down the next week.

Also, I was reading an article on PPV buys, that essentially compared the percentages of the television audience that buys WWE and TNA's respective PPVs. TNA is under-performing greatly. Comparatively to the WWE, anyway. A ridiculously small amount of TNA's audience actually forks out cash for the product. While the WWE's buys are dropping, given that there is an over-saturation of PPVs, and considering the amount the WWE charges for them -- the WWE is still getting something like 13 times the PPV buys that TNA are getting.

So, while Eric can go on about television ratings -- if TNA is sitting at a 1.1 every week (it's something like that, isn't it?), if the WWE had the same percentage of people buying their PPV product, their rating would be something like 14.3. Now, I guess TNA and the WWE might have different emphasis on PPV importance and such, and it's unfair to directly compare the two -- but the point is -- Eric, about 1.1 people watch your show -- and about 15,000 are reported to buy TNA PPVs (and that's being generous). You're certainly pleasing your audience, aren't you?

[XL]

We as a group are irrelevant to Bisch and TNA because for the most part we don't pay for the product.

The "IWC" know where to go to find a stream. TNA don't make a dime from most of the "IWC". We are not the "paying public" so really we don't have a right to complain. At least as far as Eric/TNA are concerned.

[erickman]

If, with the arrival of Bischoff and Hulk fucking Hogan (you know, the biggest star professional wrestling has ever known), there was some sort of continual growth -- I would lend more weight to Bischoff's words. But as it stands, TNA is not really doing anything with all the tools in the world. We are like 18 months into the Hogan-Bischoff regime, and there's been such little growth. They did get their highest rating since that big January 4 show (I think) lately, but it dropped back down the next week.

Also, I was reading an article on PPV buys, that essentially compared the percentages of the television audience that buys WWE and TNA's respective PPVs. TNA is under-performing greatly. Comparatively to the WWE, anyway. A ridiculously small amount of TNA's audience actually forks out cash for the product. While the WWE's buys are dropping, given that there is an over-saturation of PPVs, and considering the amount the WWE charges for them -- the WWE is still getting something like 13 times the PPV buys that TNA are getting.

So, while Eric can go on about television ratings -- if TNA is sitting at a 1.1 every week (it's something like that, isn't it?), if the WWE had the same percentage of people buying their PPV product, their rating would be something like 14.3. Now, I guess TNA and the WWE might have different emphasis on PPV importance and such, and it's unfair to directly compare the two -- but the point is -- Eric, about 1.1 people watch your show -- and about 15,000 are reported to buy TNA PPVs (and that's being generous). You're certainly pleasing your audience, aren't you?

thats why i wish tna would go back to 4-6 ppv's a year then maby there fans might buy the ppv, becouse the fued would mean more.

[erickman]

We as a group are irrelevant to Bisch and TNA because for the most part we don't pay for the product.

The "IWC" know where to go to find a stream. TNA don't make a dime from most of the "IWC". We are not the "paying public" so really we don't have a right to complain. At least as far as Eric/TNA are concerned.

well if you put it like that then bischoff is right they are not in it to lose money.

[chrisat928]

We as a group are irrelevant to Bisch and TNA because for the most part we don't pay for the product.

The "IWC" know where to go to find a stream. TNA don't make a dime from most of the "IWC". We are not the "paying public" so really we don't have a right to complain. At least as far as Eric/TNA are concerned.

Except the majority of TNA's public isn't paying.

They get into Impact and PPVs for free. TNA fills 8,000 seat arenas with 2,000 paying customers for their house shows.

[Wishbone]

Off the front page.....

When asked via Twitter why he insults the hardcore wrestling fanbase, Eric Bischoff responded with the following statement…

“Because I can!”

So I've been reading alot of stuff about him recently and this guy just honestly strikes me as a complete and total ass. He seems to legitimatly not give a crap about the business or the fans and just wants his fame and money. Anyway just wanted to ask do any of you feel the same way? Do you think the wrestling world would be a better place without Bischoff? Use this thread to discuss this and any other Bischoff related news.

[CSL]

No, I do not feel Eric Bischoff is the biggest douche in pro wrestling. And no, I do not feel the wrestling business would be a better place without him. I would like to see him somewhere he can be utilized properly/somewhere that isn't TNA in it's current form.

[Jordan]

I disagree with you on the second part Cock Sucking Lips. While Eric is probably not the biggest douche in Wrestling, he is up there. The biggest is probably Vince McMahon, honestly, he has fucked over so many people and due to his size and power he has probably raped them.

I do think that Wrestling would better off if Bischoff would just stick to his reality TV exploits and move on. He has no concept of what it will take to evolve the business in a way that provides growth years down the line. He is an asset to TNA as a character but behind the scenes he seems like true cocksucker that has made many poor choices based on other peoples opinions. This is why Vince McMahon may be the biggest douche in pro wrestling, but he is a necessity to pro wrestling, he created the business and the only thing he has to adapt to is the time because nobody else has figured out a way to do it better.

Eric Bischoff, you can fuck off for all I care, I'd love to fight you and give you a chick kick to the teeth.

[erickman]

i think what he is doing right now is a work, he is a great heel, iwc he is working you right now becouse he can.

[Aguakate]

...He does what he does looking for exactly what is being given to him right now: attention.

[Wishbone]

Even if this is a work I still have heard many many things about him in rumor sheets and such and I just get a vibe from him every time I see him that he's just a dick. Either way he probably is just trying to get attention, but I think he's getting the wrong kind as I don't think the 'average' TNA fan is smart enough to realise that he's working them and I could see a lot of them actually stop watching over something like this especially after reading some of the tweets he's gotten from angry fans.

[VSG]

http://www.wrestling101.com/home/wp-content/gallery/book-covers/eric-bischoff-controversy-creates-cash-book-cover.jpg

[Aguakate]

...Controversy creates Tweets.

[JimmyMess]

Eric Bischoff, you can fuck off for all I care, I'd love to fight you and give you a chick kick to the teeth.

Isn't he like a double black belt or something?

[Wishbone]

Isn't he like a double black belt or something?

I'm not sure if that's true I think it's just something he uses to generate heat or make an ass of himself while on tv. I could be wrong thow..... but hell if someone's that set on fighting him just take a tireiron and nail him in the back of the dome in the parkinglot black belt or no if you get your skull cracked open your not getting back up.:lol:

[VSG]

Wishbone channeling insane R-Truth.

[Jordan]

I'm not sure if that's true I think it's just something he uses to generate heat or make an ass of himself while on tv. I could be wrong thow..... but hell if someone's that set on fighting him just take a tireiron and nail him in the back of the dome in the parkinglot black belt or no if you get your skull cracked open your not getting back up.:lol:

So true

[JimmyMess]

I'm not sure if that's true I think it's just something he uses to generate heat or make an ass of himself while on tv. I could be wrong thow..... but hell if someone's that set on fighting him just take a tireiron and nail him in the back of the dome in the parkinglot black belt or no if you get your skull cracked open your not getting back up.:lol:

touche!

[XL]

Meh. I'd be happy if he just didn't take up so much TV time.

[Mr.Pewterschmidt]

Is Bisch good for wrestling? Perhaps in some form. Is he good for TNA? No. Is he a prick? Probably. I follow his FB page and I could really do without his Ted Nugent-like political rants. I wish he would focus on improving wrestling. It's not 1997 anymore.