Official Raw Thread For 7/4/11 - NOT Live From (Vinnie) Vegas!

[Cool King]

'sup?

TPWW Chat: http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109788

[Cool King]

Also, no spoilers please.

You don't want to ruin it for the rest of the class. :)

[Cool King]

Though I guess you can use Spoiler Tags.

That's what they're there for.

[HBPunk]

Moved from Ireland to Australia a while back, no more Live Monday Night Raw at 2am for me :)

Tuesday Morning Raw at 9am now instead :-\ Derp. And this aint even live. Lotsa coffee needed

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty impressed at the internet that I managed to have this spoiled for me in any ways. Subsequently, I am looking forward to the show.

Having said that, I will now leave TPWW until after the show, because I know some douche will come here and spoil it in an attempt to "be funny".

[Shisen Kopf]

I can't wait for this art show

[Nervous Ferret]

Mallards59, baby

[Cool King]

Having said that, I will now leave TPWW until after the show, because I know some douche will come here and spoil it in an attempt to "be funny".

I never thought of that.

Maybe I should do the same.

[Tazz Dan]

Moved from Ireland to Australia a while back, no more Live Monday Night Raw at 2am for me :)

Tuesday Morning Raw at 9am now instead :-\ Derp. And this aint even live. Lotsa coffee needed

Where in Australia?


Just watching a stream atm, the Zack Ryder bit was random.

[Tazz Dan]

Though I guess you can use Spoiler Tags.

That's what they're there for.

http://www.thewrestlingpage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ryder2.jpg

[Cool King]

http://www.gerweck.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/mattstriker.jpg

[Savio]

I wish Nash was on WWE tv

[Xero]

I hate how goody-two-shoes Cena is. It's just so ridiculous.

[Y2Ant]

he could have at least mentioned how they were ZACK RYDER signs that were confiscated :foc:

nice to hear them actually say how Daniel Bryan really got fired on tv though :o

[Providence Peep]

Well, for anyone still wondering, its obvious now that the whole thing with CM PUnk last week was a total shoot :shifty:

[Cool King]

When Cena was saying that we have to forget what Punk said and forget his accomplishments and just pretend he never existed, did anyone else think of Chris Benoit?

[Providence Peep]

When Cena was saying that we have to forget what Punk said and forget his accomplishments and just pretend he never existed, did anyone else think of Chris Benoit?

Chris WHO? :wtf:

[Cool King]

Señor Jimmy. :lol:

[el bobbo]

I forgot who the tag team champs were. Good reminder.

[Cool King]

Ryder!

[Rollermacka]

Damm, looks like Vlady has been working out (you'd figure now that he's an American he'd become fat and lazy :p)

[Y2Ant]

WWWYKI

[Cool King]

I'm guessing Ryder is a face now, seeing as the WWE piped in some cheers for him.

[Rollermacka]

Ryder!

I usually flick back and forth so I haven't seen everything for awhile, has Ryder been doing that reciently? I heard he was teaming with Hawkins again on Superstars again

[Jimmy King]

SLAUGHTER!

[Xero]

I WILL RULE YOU!

[Cool King]

I usually flick back and forth so I haven't seen everything for awhile, has Ryder been doing that reciently? I heard he was teaming with Hawkins again on Superstars again

Nah, this was the first time he's randomly appeared in front of the crowd with a mic on Raw.

I'm sure it's the start of something good though.

[Cool King]

Hearing the "SmackDown Cheers" on Raw is a bit distracting.

[Jimmy King]

I WILL RULE YOU!

i took a hiatus but now im back bitches

[TNA&USA#1]

That tag match was really good. Never thought Kozlov would ever entertain me.

The piped in cheers are pretty ridiculous though.

[The Naitch]

Ryder is gonna start the Zack Pack now :love: with McGullicutty and Otunga!!!!!

[Shisen Kopf]

The Zack Attack would be even better name.

[Savio]

Hot theme......Remember when people were saying the WWE was stupid for not having Santino win the royal rumble?

[Y2Ant]

Ryder is gonna start the Zack Pack now :love: with McGullicutty and Otunga!!!!!

The Zack Attack would be even better name.

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[Y2Ant]

"Broskis On Broadway" IMO

[Savio]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Money_in_the_Bank_%282011%29.jpg

What the fuck???????????????????/

[Raven Reaper]

^ looks like a Harry Potter sequel or a Leprechaun promo. :P

[Rollermacka]

Ryder is gonna start the Zack Pack now :love: with McGullicutty and Otunga!!!!!

I think we need a new odd couple since Vlady and Santino are just another tag team. How about teaming Zach with a big fat guy? Zach could try and get him to tan and tone up, there's acouple of guys in FCW that this could work with.

[The Naitch]

They need to sign Big Al (sorry fuck I forget his name) NOW

I really like Stamford in the Bischoff role

I still don't care for Hawkins

[Rollermacka]

They need to sign Big Al (sorry fuck I forget his name) NOW


Big Gay Al?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hL7HogamDVc/RlQJAESeqOI/AAAAAAAAANk/BeeNndq4qPA/s400/big%2Bgay%2Bal.jpg

[Savio]

lol Vince called the magazines crap.

[Cool King]

Wow, a Raw thread that's just barely two pages long. :(

[Rollermacka]

OH, somebody dropped another H Bomb...

[Xero]

I just can't take Cena seriously. Unless this is leading to a Cena/Vince storyline, it's absolutely stupid. Cena defending the heel is fucking retarded.

[Savio]

I love the Cena/CM Punk feud. Starting back from Nexus vs Cena.

[Jimmy King]

KISS MY ASS CLUB NEXT WEEK!

[Savio]

I just can't take Cena seriously. Unless this is leading to a Cena/Vince storyline, it's absolutely stupid. Cena defending the heel is fucking retarded.
I disagree Cenas character is supposed to be the morally right guy and would defend freedom of speech. He would also not want to back down from a challenge of someone who has beaten him numerous times before.

[Rollermacka]

Wow, a Raw thread that's just barely two pages long. :(

Unfortunately, this was a very borring episode. Probibly because there was no CP Munk

[loopydate]

That was an excellent closing segment. This was the best Cena has been in a very long time, and it felt like I was watching '90s era McMahon. My only issue with it is that Cena was just fired eight months ago and it didn't even last 24 hours before he showed back up on Raw. Why should I put any faith in this stipulation? I'm definitely buying the show to see what happens, but the closing moments of that promo did the program more harm than good.

Overall, though, this is as emotionally-involved as I've been in a main event angle since the Nexus destroyed the ring last year.

[Lock Jaw]

All around great show tonight.

Ryder on RAW.
Ziggler actually getting to talk, and being good at it.

Cena was actually enjoyable and I enjoyed his segments a lot.

Not sure how I feel about the "fired" stipulation. For one, it did become a bit of a joke after the last time Cena was "fired". Feel like Cena's reply shoulda been "No Prob, Vince, I'll see you the next week anyways".

Secondly, it makes the likelihood of Cena winning even greater.

Although. Possible loophole. Vince did not say if Cena lost he is fired. He said if CM Punk leaves Chicago as champion, he will be fired. So perhaps they go the Punk wins, but then loses to the MitB winner route.

[James Steele]

While the MiTB Cash-In is the most likely (and easiest) route, I am really hoping for a vintage swerve and we get Corporate Punk. I think there is a lot of potential with this thing, and after watching the promo I am certifiably giddy about this. I hope they don't take the easy way out. There is a real chance here to re-invent Cena & Punk and make things infinitely more interesting in the RAW main event for the foreseeable future.

[Jimmy King]

COCKY THE ROOSTER MAN!

[What Would Kevin Do?]

While the MiTB Cash-In is the most likely (and easiest) route, I am really hoping for a vintage swerve and we get Corporate Punk. I think there is a lot of potential with this thing, and after watching the promo I am certifiably giddy about this. I hope they don't take the easy way out. There is a real chance here to re-invent Cena & Punk and make things infinitely more interesting in the RAW main event for the foreseeable future.

I was thinking, maybe have Punk win cleanly, and Cena hand him the title at the end. Before anything else happens, Vince comes out and demands the MitB winner come out and cash it in now to get the title away from Punk. Have it b Del Rio. Cena is pissed that Vince is trying to "screw over" Punk who just won, so Cena ends up costing Del Rio the match.

[James Steele]

I was thinking, maybe have Punk win cleanly, and Cena hand him the title at the end. Before anything else happens, Vince comes out and demands the MitB winner come out and cash it in now to get the title away from Punk. Have it b Del Rio. Cena is pissed that Vince is trying to "screw over" Punk who just won, so Cena ends up costing Del Rio the match.

If they could squeeze the time in enough, I think it'd be interesting if they do the typical "cash-in" only for Punk to win and then have McMahon come out and demand the other MiTB winner come out and have Cena fuck it all up like you said. The only problem is a lot of people might think its BS for both MiTB to be used like that in one night, but it'd be different and probably make everybody want to see just what the fuck happens next. This PPV could deliver the shock value of when Vince said, "Screw you Austin, YOU'RE FIRED!" but hopefully we don't get CEO Cena. :lol: There is just so much potential and so many ways this can go that it is compelling. If CM Punk walks out WWE Champion and Vince fired John Cena for helping Punk walk out the WWE Champion, the wrestling world will be absolutely clueless as to what happens next.

[Tom Guycott]

Slightly different approach tonight:

http://www.gerweck.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/mattstriker.jpg (and also) I'm guessing Ryder is a face now, seeing as the WWE piped in some cheers for him.

Don't think it was as piped as you think. The last few times he appeared on TV, he's gotten some pops... even when he came out and Ziggler did commentary for him.

he could have at least mentioned how they were ZACK RYDER signs that were confiscated :foc:

nice to hear them actually say how Daniel Bryan really got fired on tv though :o

I think he meant confiscated signs in general, not just recently about Ryder.

... and you mean "fired". I still maintain it was a PR work to begin with.

Well, for anyone still wondering, its obvious now that the whole thing with CM PUnk last week was a total shoot :shifty:

What was the first clue? The produced video package or the fact that Cole and King acknoledged his promo AND his suspension on-air?

SLAUGHTER!

Wait, Sarge jobbed on the 4th of July by not getting the Cobra Clutch in? No freakin' way! [/sarcasm]

On the subject of the obvious:

- I feel kinda awkward. Awhile ago, I made a comment about Cena saying something similar to what he said tonight, though it was trying to prove a point about NXT and Tough Enough. Partially, I used that as an example because I thought it was beyond the realm of reality that he would ever actually say something like that.

- +1 for acknoledging the Montreal Screwjob motivation without blatantly saying it.

- Also, another +1 for the stuff Punk has been allowed to do in his WWE tenure. Seriously, from silencing the "OVERRATED" chants from the crowd in his first match in WWECW and not being yanked off of TV because of them, to the golden material between him and Jeff Hardy, the SES, his commentary time, this angle... if "Zack Ryder is Jericho circa 1997"(?), Punk is King of the World Jericho when he was the undisputed champion.

OOPS! In the first spoiler tag, I quoted the wrong thing... and therefore, that's also the wrong pic. Sorry! Welp, don't feel like correcting it. The least I can do is edit and own up to my screw up. My bad.

[Tazz Dan]

Has anyone seen the Ryder video from Melbourne the other night? He got a HUGE pop from the crowd when he came out.

[Raven Reaper]

Unfortunately, this was a very borring episode. Probibly because there was no CP Munk

It's because CM Punk is suspended ONLY ON LIVE TV shows. But on live house show events that are NOT televised, he makes appearances. That's why.

[Tom Guycott]

That's because house shows generally "didn't happen". Only on rare occasions do they even publicly admit a title change. And I stress rare. If Ziggler lost the United States Championship later this week, he'll win it back at some point before next week's RAW airs. Whoever beat him was never champion, even though he carried the belt for a day or two.

Not on TV/never happened.

[Aguakate]

...This is a storyline where I have no idea what is going on, and I have no idea what's about to go on...

...which is kinda nice, for a change...WWE had become very predictable...it's like WWE all of a sudden turned up the voltage...I wonder if they have some new writer who's responsible for all this...

http://i51.tinypic.com/ncl2iv.jpg

...I don't know...someone who doesn't like to see the same things being done over and over...

http://i54.tinypic.com/2l91jsp.jpg

...someone who'd look at a guy like CM Punk, who hasn't been used to his full potential yet, and would go like "This is the guy who's going to become the next great superstar"...

http://i52.tinypic.com/5vylg8.jpg

...can't put my finger on it...I'm thinking of SOMEBODY, but I just can't remember...

[HBPunk]

I can't wait for this art show

You cant let it go despite being wrong over and over and over and over...you sad wanker

Where in Australia?


Just watching a stream atm, the Zack Ryder bit was random.

Im in Perth, where you at man? Stream sucked so ill watch on youtube

[Tazz Dan]

Tassie. You should go have a beer with Downunder.

[HBPunk]

Not sure i know him? Anyway that was a great Raw even though it was taped, the spoilers didnt really spoil anything and the Vince/Cena confrontation was terrific. I cannot wait to see Raw next week just for the reaction from the crowd towards CM Punk. Im very excited about MITB and really anything could happen. The Chicago crowd is generally so hot and very anti-Cena. Its gonna be off the charts by the time the Punk vs Cena promo rolls pre-match

[Testicle]

The Cena / Vince stuff was terribly forced. Didn't come off well imo.

[Volare]

For once I enjoyed a tag match on RAW! imo one of the best RAW's this year, it actually seems to be making everyone interested again which is a nice change.

Hunch tells me there's gonna be a sweet swerve in this...just a guess not real info.

[St. Jimmy]

The McMahon/Cena promo was really fucking good. This should've been live, spoilers kicked this shows ass.