The Raw Thread 18/07/11 - Doesn't need a subtitle for hype

[#1-norm-fan]

Anything after Money in the Bank would be a let down. I felt like this was a GREAT follow-up though. The (presumably) one night tournament was great. Had a classic feel to it. And of course the end was huge. Awesome Raw. I loved it.

[Londoner]

Really wasn't wow'd by last night until the ending. But that ending tells me for some reason that CM Punk will be back on next weeks raw. Hope so atleast.

[Cool King]

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It's just an idea that came into my head, which I know most likely won't happen.

But Punk could come back with a new look belt and say he did what he said he would do and change the belt, he'll probably then start something with Triple H and go on about how he was right about Vince's doofus son-in-law taking over, etc.

Or just do it all via Twitter.

Then Triple H will constantly goad CM Punk into wanting to face him, but because Punk's not signed a contract, he can't, so he signs a contract that's effective for one night only at SummerSlam. We see CM Punk vs Triple H at SummerSlam in what will be Triple H's last match. (Maybe WWE Championship vs Career) Triple H loses in true retirement match fashion which, if it was Title vs Career, crushes the hopes of the WWE Championship coming back to the WWE and Triple H is gone.

Either way, Triple H loses the match and after the match, Alberto Del Rio cashes in his Money In The Bank Contract and wins the WWE Championship, thus returning it to the WWE and Punk leaves the company empty handed.

Possibly, Vince comes out, says Triple H was never in charge and it was all just a plan to get CM Punk to sign a contract so the WWE Championship could be able to return to the WWE. (Via the MitB Winner)

Out of all that, we get....

An intriguing storyline
A new look for the WWE Championship
Alberto Del Rio's "Destiny" fulfilled
CM Punk vs Triple H
Triple H retired
CM Punk leaving the WWE for a while as he's feeling burned out

[Rock Bottom]

I didn't see anything wrong with the actual wrestling matches. Just cause it was the same 8 guys doesn't mean the show was horrible. Quit yer bitching

Miz vs. Riley was a complete shit match but other than that they were decent. I don't understand why people would think they were solid by any means, there were fuck-ups in just about every match, multiples. It looked rushed.

[Rock Bottom]

Also, Kofi Kingston beating Alberto Del Rio then getting eliminated, come on.

Ending was really huge and I can't make out whether or not people are lost on its significance or are trying to seem "emotionless" by not acknowledging what it means.

[Londoner]

Sorry CK, that post wasn't long enough to be considered "Noid-esq". :(

[tjmidnight420]

they could've done better with the matches, but that was the most stacked Raw i've seen in a long time. They should've spread the matches out over two Raws if they weren't planning on finishing up last night. Give the undercard a little more time to shine and keep the pace up and good things will happen. Also loved the ending. So many ways they can go from there. Trips needs an eventual heel turn now.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Miz vs. Riley was a complete shit match but other than that they were decent. I don't understand why people would think they were solid by any means, there were fuck-ups in just about every match, multiples. It looked rushed.

They were for the most part great matches, I loved Kofi and Del Rio especially.

Also, Kofi Kingston beating Alberto Del Rio then getting eliminated, come on.

Ending was really huge and I can't make out whether or not people are lost on its significance or are trying to seem "emotionless" by not acknowledging what it means.

While it's a great ending and again makes me want to watch next week (is that 4 or 5 weeks straight? Not sure when the last time I can say that is.) I don't think it has too much "significance". Vince'll be back, this is the guy who's come back from a limo blowing up while he was in it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think simple is best at this point. I've only read the report, but obvious booking would be for the main event next week to be The Miz vs. Rey Mysterio for the vacant WWE Title. John Cena also brings it to Triple H's attention that he technically has a rematch clause. Mysterio wins the main event, becoming the new WWE Champion, but before he even gets to technically touch the belt, Alberto Del Rio cashes in and thus becomes the new WWE Champion.

Mysterio is owed a rematch; John Cena is owed a rematch -- there's your SummerSlam main event: Alberto Del Rio defending the WWE Title in a Triple Threat Match against Rey Mysterio and John Cena. Now, you may not think that is special, but when you consider how well Cena works in Triple Threats, as has Del Rio and Mysterio in the past, you're in for a slobberknocker. Couple that with the blow-off to Randy Orton vs. Christian in a No Holds Barred Match, and you already have a pretty strong card.

If Punk is ready to return (say he likes how hot he is, and the WWE offers him the right deal), you can have Triple H challenge Punk to show up at SummerSlam. He can say he has a few words for Punk, and he promises no shenanigans. If Punk agrees, you could even have Del Rio cash-in on Punk (save his interference and have Cena vs. Mysterio), and then you have two WWE Champions on RAW, setting up Night of Champions (where Cena ironically unifies his new title belt with the one he created).

I also have a feeling that RAW will be putting forward Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix and The Miz vs. Alex Riley in some sort of blow-off as RAW matches for the show, which is three right there.

[Tom Guycott]

I think simple is best at this point. I've only read the report, but obvious booking would be for the main event next week to be The Miz vs. Rey Mysterio for the vacant WWE Title. John Cena also brings it to Triple H's attention that he technically has a rematch clause. Mysterio wins the main event, becoming the new WWE Champion, but before he even gets to technically touch the belt, Alberto Del Rio cashes in and thus becomes the new WWE Champion.

Mysterio is owed a rematch; John Cena is owed a rematch -- there's your SummerSlam main event: Alberto Del Rio defending the WWE Title in a Triple Threat Match against Rey Mysterio and John Cena...

What you just described is pretty close to what TNimpact* did a couple months ago, where they had a champ, #1 contender, a guy who was stripped (ergo, never lost the title), and a guy who never got his rematch.

Your scenario is just less clusterfucky.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The only other option they really go with is Del Rio vs. Mysterio or The Miz vs. Mysterio with Cena vs. someone else lower on the card. Which could work.

[Rock Bottom]

Vince'll be back, this is the guy who's come back from a limo blowing up while he was in it.

You know this opens up Triple H 'signing' CM Punk, right?

[Rock Bottom]

Also, Vince is about to turn 66. He doesn't even have enough of a life span left for anything he does to be insignificant.

[Haze]

Not sure what everyone is complaining about here.

The Punk situation deserves to be dragged out a bit here. It hasn't even been a full day since he "left the company" and I think not mentioning him, and letting the crowd work itself into a frenzy will pay off in the long run. Give it time and let it build.

As far as the matches go, not exactly what gives on the complaints here either? I'm pretty sure I have heard many times that people want them to bring back the King of the Ring PPV and have the tournament in one night. Essentially that is what happened here tonight, only this was to crown a new champion. People are really complaining that they had some of the top workers go out and actually perform? All of the matches were decent, and if I recall correctly, all ended with a clean finish. Considering that people have been complaining about not enough wrestling/bull shit finishes, I am surprised that more people weren’t amped to see what seems like a change in direction.

Was this the best Raw of all time? No, but I think it was better than a majority of the crap we have seen over an over for the last 5-6 years.

[Rock Bottom]

I really have no clue what matches you were all watching. I think standards must have taken a beating over the years. It's not so much as a complaint as a lack of understanding why people are praising bad to mediocre matches.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I really have no clue what matches you were all watching. I think standards must have taken a beating over the years. It's not so much as a complaint as a lack of understanding why people are praising bad to mediocre matches.

It's an opinion, not a checklist of things that happened or did not happen to make a great match. No-ones saying there where any MOTY candidates here, just some good, entertaining matches.

[VSG]

Bunch of FAGS as usual complaining about everything. I :heart: you all nonetheless.

Just praying for the WWE stocks to be steady, that will pretty much determine this storyline.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'd just laugh if they spiked because Vince was out and Hunter was in.

[VSG]

That will sure put some butts in the seats :roll:

[Innovator]

You can't have Punk on TV every week IF HE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE LEFT.

[BigCrippyZ]

Former WWE star Sean Waltman went on Twitter following RAW and said that Vince McMahon really is stepping down from his job as Chairman and CEO:

"The text [Triple H] sent me today makes much more sense now. That was the real deal, that last 5 or however many minutes."

Waltman also noted that WWE should "careful that this doesn't really affect the stock price."

WWE's stock is already down over 30% this year.

Although, I don't necessarily believe Waltman at this point, I've gotta admit those tears looked pretty real to me, and if they weren't legit tears, great job and kudos to HHH and Vince for crying on cue last night.

[St. Jimmy]

Unless this page changes:
http://corporate.wwe.com/company/executive.jsp
Waltman is full of <strike>Drugs</strike>Crap.

[Haze]

Unless this page changes:
http://corporate.wwe.com/company/executive.jsp
Waltman is full of <strike>Drugs</strike>Crap.

Exactly this.

[Hanso Amore]

I feel like Punk is definitely gone for a period, and they are dropping the ball. He is on fire and the biggest ticket in town, and now we get HHH as the CHairman and Cena not being fired.

[Volare]

But it still keeps next week's RAW with some suspence. As in what is Triple H gonna do now that he's in charge, what about Cena, finals of the tournament.

Next week should be ok.

[BigCrippyZ]

Darren Rovell, a sports business reporter for CNBC, noted on his Twitter account that last night's angle on Raw in which Vince McMahon was relieved of his duties of WWE chief and replaced by his son-in-law, Triple H, may cause issues with WWE stock.

"The No. 1 material risk against WWE stock is Vince McMahon leaving the business," Rovell wrote. "Tonight's plot could be an SEC violation."

[XL]

Ending was really huge and I can't make out whether or not people are lost on its significance or are trying to seem "emotionless" by not acknowledging what it means.
Wait, are we believing this to be legit? Like, not just on-screen?

You can't have Punk on TV every week IF HE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE LEFT.
Someone shoulda told Cena this.

[Providence Peep]

I know I'll get a lot of heat for admitting this, but I really thought the VKM/Triple H thing last night was legit.

That is, until I woke up this morning and started reading a lot of the reports on-line referring to all of it as an angle or storyline.

It so was done so well that I and a lot of other people thought it was real!

[CSL]

Why would you get heat for admitting that? Unless he changes his mind for whatever reason down the line or it's part of an upcoming angle, Vince McMahon the TV character is gone and Triple H is now the most powerful guy in terms of the on-screen product in WWE. That's how I took it.

[Providence Peep]

Unless he changes his mind for whatever reason down the line or it's part of an upcoming angle, Vince McMahon the TV character is gone

Oh :'(

[Innovator]

Someone shoulda told Cena this.

One of these days XL, one of these days the Cena firing angle will work....for at least 7 segments.

[McLegend]

I hope this new role does not mean the doofus will be on TV more.

[Innovator]

I really hope the phrase "Belt Mark" is used soon.

[XL]

I hope this new role does not mean the doofus will be on TV more.
Good luck with that.

[VSG]

Not sure how HHH is a "doofus"

[Anybody Thrilla]

Miz vs. Riley was a complete shit match but other than that they were decent. I don't understand why people would think they were solid by any means, there were fuck-ups in just about every match, multiples. It looked rushed.

I actually found myself thinking that was a pretty good match. Definitely the best match between the two of them. What was so horrible about it for you?

[Mooияakeя™]

Meh Raw. think yesterday was so awesome it just blurred the fact of run of the mill WWE programming. However, we now have an angle that is still wide open.


Think Vince is genuinely leaving his role on screen. those tears seemed real in a sense of its happening,. they're just using it as a storyline too.

[Innovator]

I actually found myself thinking that was a pretty good match. Definitely the best match between the two of them. What was so horrible about it for you?

No one did 4 flips then pointed to their hand. Immediate *** reduction.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm not entirely sure what people wanted. The angle is so hot, it had to be the entire focus for the show, which every match and segment was. Great, slightly unexpected ending which gives the whole thing about 8 paths it could go down.

The only thing I will say is that unless Punk is legit hurt or so burnt out he does need an extended break, he needs to come back by Summerslam. It will be a huge ball drop by whichever side doesn't let that happen. Maybe I'll accept the Raw after Summerslam, but no later than that.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I liked how everything felt rushed and chaotic. Vince really wasn't sure what to do with Punk winning the belt, so he just threw this thing together and tried to sweep everything under the rug. It all felt very natural for Triple H to step in and do what he had to do, because he was clearly losing it. It was a good Raw in my eyes.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, PPVs are SUPPOSED to be much better than weekly TV shows, so nobody should be surprised that Raw wasn't as good as Money in the Bank.

[VSG]

Why are you surprised at the downwards turn this forum has taken of late?

[St. Jimmy]

I agree with everything Inno, ABT, and Hasney have said in this thread.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Why are you surprised at the downwards turn this forum has taken of late?

When did I say anything like that?

[VSG]

Well that post of mine certainly didn't make much sense. Not sure what happened there actually. Probably need to get some sleep.

[parkmania]

So, if CM Punk is/gets re-signed, do we end up with a "Vince's WWE Champion (Punk)" vs. "Trip's WWE Champion (Miz/Rey/ADR)" storyline?

[Anybody Thrilla]

I doubt it. Vince literally has no power, as it stands.

[Flash Funk]

Anyone who thinks Vince is gone for good is insane..Invasion Pt. 2 (hopefully done well) with Vince trying to get his company back with the "real" WWE Champ CM Punk.

[Team Sheep]

I love how the board loses confidence in him now over this, and not when he's been beating up his family, cheating on his wife, screwing over his top stars countless times, beating up one legged cancer victims, faking his own death, having an illigitamate son, making people literally kiss his bare ass on live TV, I could go on... :p

[VSG]

Was this Raw the first time WWE acknowledged TNA?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I don't think that could be classed as acknowledging TNA. Hell, even ROH have a TV show now.

[Juan]

I don't think that could be classed as acknowledging TNA. Hell, even ROH have a TV show now.

I dunno, he did end the sentence with "BROTHER!"

Seems pretty specific to me

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I don't get why some people don't realize this plays right into the Punk angle.

Punk himself said "I'd like to think the company would be better when Vince is dead, but then his... doofus son-in-law will take over."

Essentially, it's part of Punk's prophecy. Vince is "dead" and HHH is running things. Part of me thinks this will lead to Punk vs HHH, as Punk coming back as the "savior of wrestling." Basically, his love of wrestling takes over, and he can't stand watching HHH destroy the company that's responsible for all his childhood memories or some BS, so he gives HHH a challenge. Specifically, Punk vs HHH one on one, HHH wins, WWE gets its precious title back. CM Punk wins, HHH steps down and walks away from wrestling forever.

From there, they could have someone who "respects" wrestling run things (CM Punk, Chris Jericho, HBK, Bret Hart, Jim Ross, Jerry Lawler, etc.) Mind you the new person running things, if not an active wrestler, wouldn't have to be on TV a lot, but just play the ""behind the scenes, show up occasionally when there's a big issue" roll.

[Aguakate]

Triple H: I LOVE YOU, PAPÁ...

LOL

[Lock Jaw]

Shoulda gone more like "I'm sorry. I love you." *PEDIGREE*

[tjmidnight420]

Shoulda gone more like "I'm sorry. I love you. You're fired." *PEDIGREE*

[Nervous Ferret]

Was really excited for this RAW but didn't like it too much. Ended up watching more of the Yankee game. The matches were pretty good I guess and it was a decent ending but I was hoping for something way great. Hopefully it'll just be a good build for future RAWs. I GUESS I'll try and watch next week

[Droford]

Miz will be close to winning the belt next week and HHH will come out and Pedigree him to prevent it.

[Rock Bottom]

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You mean aside from the botch around 3:20, the terrible landings, the terrible submission holds, or the fact that it was 5 minutes? Maybe it was the Miz's terrible jump off the top at 4:20. Maybe the following Cloverleaf that looked even worse than The Rock's sharpshooter.

Mayyyyyyyyyyyybe it was the fact that none of it was even remotely convincing to me.

Man, I dunno. If anyone gets behind matches like that I suppose I will never argue you out of knowing a shit match when you see one.

[Anybody Thrilla]

If I enjoyed it, I don't see how much else matters.

[Rock Bottom]

Just because it's "fake" doesn't mean you should just go in there and be lazy and punch the air. There is a skill involved here and it was absent for nearly the entire match.

[Rock Bottom]

If I enjoyed it, I don't see how much else matters.

It does if you're asking me what was so terrible about it.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, that's all well and good. I was just saying that none of that stuff you mentioned mattered to me personally. I'm sorry that it's so difficult for you to enjoy the product. I wish you could be a mark like me. It's fun.

[Rock Bottom]

The difficulty in enjoying the product to me is relative to the quality of the product. Apology returned.

[Rock Bottom]

If the WWE were ramen noodles, Cena/Punk's match would add chicken flavor. That Miz/Riley match would be getting the pack and having no flavor packet.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Quality is in the eye of the beholder. You don't have a pro wrestling appraisal license, do you?

[Rock Bottom]

I could have sworn a few posts ago you could justify that nothing mattered as long as you enjoyed it. If I say a bad match is bad, I shouldn't need a license.

[Rock Bottom]

This is akin to arguing about flavors of Kool-Aid. I do not need an apology because I think Kiwi Strawberry is bad Kool-aid.

[Anybody Thrilla]

None of this really "matters" at all. I'm just discussing for the sake of it.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'm just suggesting that maybe good and bad aren't so black and white in wrestling.

[Skippord]

I will fucking murder you Rock Bottom

Kiwi-Strawberry 4 life

[Rock Bottom]

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[parkmania]

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Purplesaurus Rex, motherfuckers!