Official RAW Thread for 08/01/11 - State of the Punk address

[Razzamajazz]

cult of your time is up my time is now

[Corndad]

REMIX!

[CSL]

Anybody else notice they turned up Cenas music to cover up the boos?

I heard Cena getting the louder reaction

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna be an excellent match.</font>

[Next Big Thing]

You think some of Cena's cheers might be piped in? I'm just wondering if they might want to try to get Cena back to being viewed as a true babyface.

[Aguakate]

I heard Cena getting the louder reaction


Yeah, this wasn't a CM Punk crowd, for whatever reason.

[Razzamajazz]

the entire show was cgi

[What Would Kevin Do?]

You think some of Cena's cheers might be piped in?

The kids/women cheering for Cena have higher voices too. There's more of a roar when Punk raises his, and a roar for booing Cena, but it's easier for the music to drown them out. BAsically, the higher pitched cheers clash with the musics more.

[Aguakate]

There IS the possibility that WWE pipes in some cheers for Cena...

[Raven Reaper]

^ I noticed in most Cena entrances, the only cheers I hear are those little jimmies and jennies in Cena shirts while the grown ups are booing loudly on that.

[Emperor Smeat]

Nice ending and it sort of sounded like the sound system was about to break with that loud screeching sound from the constant music switching.

:wtf: Cena trying to say he feels like Larry Bird in the arena during his intro except for the fact Bird never played in the Pacers arena.

CM Punk might be able to do in 2 months what Orton struggled for years in having a feud with Cena that the crowd really likes and get people outside of wrestling interested as well.

[rob11]

The kids/women cheering for Cena have higher voices too. There's more of a roar when Punk raises his, and a roar for booing Cena, but it's easier for the music to drown them out. BAsically, the higher pitched cheers clash with the musics more.
I was about to say, the higher pitched screams of women and children sound louder than men cheering.

[Rock Bottom]

Looks like Cena is trying to ride Punk's thunder. Really lame.

[Loose Cannon]

Johnny Ace reminds me of Marty Funkhouser from Curb Your Enthusiasm

[Loose Cannon]

There IS the possibility that WWE pipes in some cheers for Cena...

I honestly thought cheers were piped in, epescially the 2nd time Cena held up the belt. sounded generic

[McLegend]

That Raw kind of peaked in the first 25 mins.

[Next Big Thing]

Looks like Cena is trying to ride Punk's thunder. Really lame.

Yeah. It definitely felt like they were trying to have him rebel Punk style on Johnny Ace. Didn't really come off well in my opinion. Especially after the exchange Punk and Hunter had to start the show.

[Rollermacka]

Anybody else notice they turned up Cenas music to cover up the boos?

I heard Cena getting the louder reaction

You think some of Cena's cheers might be piped in? I'm just wondering if they might want to try to get Cena back to being viewed as a true babyface.

The kids/women cheering for Cena have higher voices too. There's more of a roar when Punk raises his, and a roar for booing Cena, but it's easier for the music to drown them out. BAsically, the higher pitched cheers clash with the musics more.

Lol, are we really disecting the cheers for both CM Punk and Cena? Ah, good times :D

[loopydate]

Johnny Ace reminds me of Marty Funkhouser from Curb Your Enthusiasm

I was thinking "Super" Dave Osborne.

[Next Big Thing]

It all relates back to R-Truth's conspiracy theory Rollermacka.

[SammyG]

That raw was kinda lame. Everyone knew it was gonna be Punk Cena at SS anyway.

[McLegend]

I guess Lock Jaw has been future endeavored?

[Tom Guycott]

I was thinking "Super" Dave Osborne.

Would Yoshi Tatsu then be Fuji?

"Everyone is so excited that @CMPunk mentioned me on Raw. Newsflash...I don't give a shit. Mind ur own business and stop rippin me off Punk."

[NormanSmiley]

That Raw kind of peaked in the first 25 mins.
THIS

[Next Big Thing]

Damn. What's Jericho's issue with Punk?

[Lock Jaw]

Johnny Ace reminds me of Marty Funkhouser from Curb Your Enthusiasm

Was coming in here to post that.


Also, RAW was pretty great today. Only criticism of RAW was Ricardo Rodriguez was in need of a shave.

[Droford]

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apparently Cole mentioned this guy in the Del Rio match..I dunno

[Droford]

Damn. What's Jericho's issue with Punk?
Jericho "Best in the world at what I do"
Punk "Best in the world"

[Lock Jaw]

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[Xero]

Just watched this on a bit of a delay. I actually really enjoyed it. Felt like the second hour kind of dragged with the tag match and Bourne/Del Rio, but otherwise it was a damn fine RAW. I'd say it keeps RAW's momentum going in terms of consecutive good shows.

Marked out quite a bit at the opening promo, with what Punk was saying. But I couldn't shake the feeling that they were trying to make him into a "super face" at first. The crowd definitely wasn't solidly behind Punk. It was probably 60/40 at best in Cena's favor. And in the long run, if that doesn't change, it could be bad for Punk, and WWE could call him another failed experiment if they so chose. Also, the way Hunter/Punk came across all I could think was that it was happening how I would have expected that rumored script of Del Rio cashing in after a Hunter burial. Thank God that didn't happen.

I do think RAW has a different feel than it did just a month ago. Beth going over, good, long matches on the show, the multiple interview segments backstage for the final segment, King going into his old school persona for a second with one of his screeches. It just feels better overall, even if some segments were off. Which is to be expected, not every segment or show can be great, let alone amazing.

I do feel that they're starting to book more towards the type of fans who left, because they obviously know that there's more excitement over the product now in the main stream and otherwise than there has been since probably the Attitude Era.

I liked the closing segment. Not as much as the opening, but it was still solid. Cena has a pretty spot-on Laurinaitis impression and made me laugh. Honestly didn't mind Cena in this segment. Thought the dueling music was a nice touch, too. Just wish they had a mix ready to go for when they both put the titles up.

Overall, I'd say it was a very solid show and I enjoyed it. It accomplished a lot to set up SummerSlam, even if the Punk/Cena/Hunter stuff was obvious. It needed to be done to set it up. My only real gripe is that things feel a little rushed for the undercard, but obviously they needed to scramble for something for Del Rio. My guess would be that Kofi was supposed to get Ziggler, but with Del Rio out of the title picture they were forced to find something for him to get him on the show.

I won't even say it's poor long-term planning on WWE's part. They really had their hands tied with the Punk thing, so I don't really have that big of a problem with it. Just wish there was a week or two extra before SummerSlam.

[Lock Jaw]

Dunno. The fan reaction was weird for Punk. At some point they were more boos than cheers, and sometimes there was just massive cheers. HHH even got booed when he said something negative towards Punk. But the fans kept going back and forth.

Same thing with Cena. Got booed heavily when they first mentioned him, and then got cheered, then booed...

IT WAS SO BIZARRE.

[NormanSmiley]

i see the pros if cm punk walks from SS as champ.... someone argu the pros about cena leaving SS as champ as it relates to this storyline over the last month.. somebody play devil's advocate to show me why cena winning is a good thing

[Xero]

Depends on how Cena wins. If Cena wins clean, then it does absolutely nothing good. If, say, Hunter screws Punk, it opens up A LOT for the storyline.

Honestly, Cena winning could do more for Punk in the long run than Punk winning. It all depends on the booking, both short term and long term.

[Lock Jaw]

Punk needs to win or else everything is ruined forever and I will never watch the WWE again.

[/IWC]

[Raven Reaper]

Jericho "Best in the world at what I do"
Punk "Best in the world"

Yes. Ripping off the promo Jericho had in his prime heel career..

actually, the girls' cheer goes, "LET'S GO CENA!" While the guys go, "CEEENNAA SUCKSS!!" And back and forth they go yelling that out.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Jericho "Best in the world at what I do"
Punk "Best in the world"

I love Jericho, but if he thinks he's the first person to call himself "the Best in the World" he's gone off the deep end. Especially since I'm fairly certain there was an ROH feud around that same concept.

Seriously though, Jericho comes off bitter as hell there, wonder what the story is?

[Xero]

What? Has Jericho complained about Punk using the term?

[Mr. Pierre]

Claiming to be the "Best in the World" really isn't THAT original to claim that someone is ripping you off. And didn't Jericho claim that Miz ripped him off because he was a heel who wore a suit? Weeeeh

[Xero]

Speaking of using other people's shit, lol at Morrison killing Sin Cara's finisher tonight with the standing C4.

[NormanSmiley]

Depends on how Cena wins. If Cena wins clean, then it does absolutely nothing good. If, say, Hunter screws Punk, it opens up A LOT for the storyline.

Honestly, Cena winning could do more for Punk in the long run than Punk winning. It all depends on the booking, both short term and long term.

am i the only one who would prefer hunter screwing cena, heel boss, heel champion punk keeping the title off good guy cena is far door opening to me

[Raven Reaper]

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll170/OverMe_2008/1312088922472.jpg

Tell me that's a naked Cena photo there? Right??? Cena is a fucking little jimmy/jennie pedo lover or what?

[CSL]

Damn. What's Jericho's issue with Punk?

Jericho "Best in the world at what I do"
Punk "Best in the world"

Yes. Ripping off the promo Jericho had in his prime heel career..

actually, the girls' cheer goes, "LET'S GO CENA!" While the guys go, "CEEENNAA SUCKSS!!" And back and forth they go yelling that out.

I love Jericho, but if he thinks he's the first person to call himself "the Best in the World" he's gone off the deep end. Especially since I'm fairly certain there was an ROH feud around that same concept.

Seriously though, Jericho comes off bitter as hell there, wonder what the story is?

What? Has Jericho complained about Punk using the term?

Claiming to be the "Best in the World" really isn't THAT original to claim that someone is ripping you off. And didn't Jericho claim that Miz ripped him off because he was a heel who wore a suit? Weeeeh

<marquee>kayfabe will never die</marquee>

[CSL]

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Tell me that's a naked Cena photo there? Right??? Cena is a fucking little jimmy/jennie pedo lover or what?

that is definitely John Cena. Or one of the other millions of jacked caucasian people on Earth. One of them. When you post, do you have to avoid people in white coats to get to a computer?

[Xero]

Well, that was my first assumption, I'm just wondering where this info came from or if it's just people assuming it.

[Next Big Thing]

Nah. Not Cena. I refuse to believe Cena ever takes his arm bands off.

[Mr. Pierre]

I guess Jericho was planting seeds for his future programs a few years from now. Damn. Hook, line, and sinker.

[CSL]

Nah. Not Cena. I refuse to believe Cena ever takes his arm bands off.

that would be amazing. The greatest wrestling story/picture ever. Cena in some Anthony Wiener sex picture scandal complete with armbands

[Aguakate]

There's no neck scar in that picture, product of a surgery...so, not Cena.

[Xero]

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[CSL]

let's turn Cena heel this way, he could accidently Wiener a picture/make it public on Twitter intended for Linda McMahon or something, Cena and Linda make a powergrab from Triple H, the McMahon-Cena Era kicks takes over RAW. Somewhere down the road it'll turn out he's been sending pictures to the Bellas, Mae Young, Elektra, Harvina etc and he'll get his "due". I just booked 6 months of TV in 7 seconds.

[Skippord]

I'm going to be honest with you, I would watch that.

[Skippord]

just watching Raw now, deeply confused by the stupid crowd.

[Raven Reaper]

Btw, that was real. John Cena HIMSELF tweeted THAT PHOTO days ago!!! Who knew he'd do pics like that to himself?

[Anybody Thrilla]

For some reason, my DVR did not record Raw, and I'm furious. Who can help me watch this?

[CSL]

http://www.justin.tv/wrestlingfanatichd#/w/1559971008

It's about 10 minutes in so you might wanna go back and watch the opening segment in full on Youtube or something afterwards if you go with it

[owenbrown]

ok first of all WTF with the "naked Cena" pic put that shit in NSFW tags and second of all did Xero do his best Noid impersonation on page 7 or did Noid hack his account with that Noid post?

[FearedSanctity]

Pretty sure Cena shows just slightly less than that on a weekly basis

[#BROKEN Hasney]

The whole cheer thing is funny, I had it on in the background while making breakfast through my phone speaker and Cena seemed louder. I watched it again before I left for work and Punk's sounded louder with the heavier bass on my headphones.

But anyway, fun show. Cena felt really off his game when talking to Josh, may have been the comedy glasses he was wearing, but he was better when he came out. Johnny Ace as the voice of Vince could be pretty interesting too. Can't wait for SummerSlam.

[Rammsteinmad]

I love how throughout the entire show, everyone's acting as if they didn't know what Triple H's earth-shattering decision could possibly be!

[Innovator]

CMPunk (https://twitter.com/#%21/CMPunk) CM Punk



“@SeanGrandePBP (http://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP): Vince McMahon's right hand for the last 10 years was Super Dave Osborne?” I've been calling him Funkhauser since '09!

[The Jayman]

looking forward to Riley vs. Ziggler

[GD]

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Saw this photo from Cena's twitter. I wonder if he has veins oozing out around his penis :shifty:

[Hanso Amore]

I like the idea that week to week, depending on the crowd, the pops will change.

Like last night honestly I think it went

CENA
HHH
PUNK

Last week Punk was on top.

Next week, who knows.

Blurring the lines of Heel Face...

[Flash Funk]

What gets left off of SummerSlam? The two title matches are confirmed as well as the Divas match. Potential matches include DB-Barrett, Zeke-Cody, Sheamus-Henry, Truth-Morrison, Rey-Miz, and ADR-Kofi.

[Xero]

Honestly, they could potentially have them all. If I had to guess, Zeke/Cody gets left off. Daniel Bryan NEEDS to be on PPV from here on out to build him. Sheamus/Henry is too big to be left off. Truth/Morrison has been obvious for SummerSlam since Morrison went out. ADR/Kofi needs to happen to get Del Rio on the show. Rey/Miz could go either way, really, but I'd imagine they'd want two of their bigger talents on the show.

[GD]

I am really curious about John Cena's penis in a very non sexual way.

[XCaliber]

Somehow I don't think having Rey/Miz would be Summerslam worthy this close to the PPV and I can't help but think they're wanting Jericho to come back and feud with him.

[george]

John Cena posting those pictures spells heel to me.

Why did Mr. H's call Punk a skinny fat ass? What the hell.

[GD]

Also this week, Triple-H's massive ego didn't allow him to acknowledge the fact that John Morrison was not "resigned" since he was already under contract.

[Innovator]

John Cena posting those pictures spells heel to me.

Why did Mr. H's call Punk a skinny fat ass? What the hell.

Skinny fat is a thin person with high body fat percent, thin person with no definition, every 16 year old girl who just does cardio and no weight training, etc.

[george]

Yeah, I know what a "skinny fat guy" is. It's possible that it's an inside joke between Punk and HHH since Punk is a skinny fat guy, but somehow I don't think he meant it in that context lol I think he was supposed to say "skinny punk ass" or something like that. But who knows.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Let's not analyze the skinny fat comment too much. I don't think it's a crucial storyline piece.

[george]

No, I think this will come up again somewhere down the line post SummerSlam.

But, really, I wish Punk would've brought it back up last night.

"What are you gonna do? You gonna kick my skinny fat ass?"

I'd of laughed.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm concerned that Beth Phoenix Fan may have marked out too hard and had a heart attack or something. Otherwise I'm sure we would have heard from him by now, and how much he looks forward to Kelly Kelly doing the stinkface on Beth Phoenix.

[Innovator]

He's in the ICU for 3rd degree chafing.

[Skippord]

And hysterical blindness