Pros and Cons of Daniel Bryan saying that he will cash it in at WrestleMania...

[The Naitch]

Now it's guaranteed that there won't be a surprise cash-in for the SD! MITB anytyime soon. According to Daniel Bryan, we're gonna have to wait, of course.

But I'm guessing it's not concrete. I wonder if he can "change his mind out of nowhere" to catch the WH Champ off guard. Like say if Orton wins a title defense, his guard will be down, since he "thinks" Daniel Bryan will wait until WrestleMania.

But then Bryan can always be like "ahh fuck it" and decide to cash it in right then and there

Similar with announcing a year in advance that Cena vs. Rock was set in stone for Mania 28

Is this a TACTIC used by Daniel Bryan? Do you think he will cash in before WreslteMania?

Good thing or bad thing?

DISCUSS

[Pintint]

Pros : He might have LIED and will cash it in earlier to have a bigger surprise. "You guys weren't watching your back cause you knew I'm cashing it at Wrestlemania...well, I LIED!". Outside of that, no other pros.

Cons : MITB's whole point is surprise. Using a MITB at a pre determined time defeats the whole point.

[The Naitch]

Watch him get injured or something and he ends up having to forfeit his shot.

Didn't this happen to Kennedy? FILL ME IN on what happened with Kennedy's MITB shot, I forget.

[Chavo Classic]

The only con I can think of is that if he does choose to cash in his chance at Mania, there will be less chance of him actually winning the title than there would be if he did at an opportune time along the road.

[LoDownM]

Watch him get injured or something and he ends up having to forfeit his shot.

Didn't this happen to Kennedy? FILL ME IN on what happened with Kennedy's MITB shot, I forget.

Yes, he got injured.

[Rammsteinmad]

Watch him get injured or something and he ends up having to forfeit his shot.

Didn't this happen to Kennedy? FILL ME IN on what happened with Kennedy's MITB shot, I forget.

Pretty much what you said. He got injured. 'Lost the briefcase to Edge' in a match, and then Edge cashed it in.

[Nicky Fives]

I like it because it is different and it proves that he is a true "babyface," not wanting to cash-in on a vulberable champion, but to state when he is going to cash it in (a la Rob Van Dam)

He'll either wait until Mania, making the fans love him even more for waiting his time and keeping his word, or he'll cash in early and become the first to lose, commencing his doward spiral into "heeldom".....

[Gertner]

Pros: Nothing.

Cons: Bryan won't draw a single buy to the most important event of the year. The fans don't care about him as a main eventer.

[Juan]

Never gets old...

[Kane Knight]

Turn him heel and have the IWC go batshit.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cons : MITB's whole point is surprise. Using a MITB at a pre determined time defeats the whole point.

Who made that rule? Just because it has been used as a surprise most of the other times, so what? He's using it to guarantee himself a world title match at WrestleMania. That doesn't defeat the purpose. It gives another purpose. You can cash it in at an opportune moment for an easy world title, OR you can get a world title match at the biggest show of the year.

[Xero]

I honestly feel the best route would be for him to "snap" in a few months (maybe at the Rumble, but it may be too far in advance), going ape shit on the champion, then immediately cashing in. Like he's had enough and wants to cash in to prove everyone wrong. It would be his heel turn.

There's definitely a heel turn coming up, and that would probably be the best way to do it. Curb stomp Orton's face or some shit, maybe break his arm, and demand his contract be cashed in then and there.

There are no real cons. He can cash in at any time. The only con I can think of is that he cashes in as a face early. Otherwise, it's fine whether he cashes in early as a face or legit takes it to mania.

[The Naitch]

I agree, I always thought that the "cashing it in while the Champion is exhausted from just defending the title" is kinda played out already, and it's a cheap way to pick up the win. Works for a heel, but not so good for a face. I think that's why Bryan is the only one do do it his way, because I think most of the MITB challengers who went on the win the title before were all heel.

Like blowing your load within the first 30 seconds after hitting up some porn

Like remember when Kane cahsed in his MITB on an episode of SD! or whenever it was? I don't even remember how that went down, because it kinda just flew under the radar and it was in the middle of the year. I'd rather save my shot on a big PPV.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well since winning the case they've been booking him as the underdog who has been putting up a tough fight but just falling short against del Rio and Barrett. Like he just can't quite get over that hump and beat the more established stars. If he is gonna cash in at WrestleMania, he needs something to happen that pushes him to that next level. Something like someone coming into the picture to mentor him to the top.

[XCaliber]

He's already begun a losing streak since winning the MITB and I wouldn't be suprised if it leads to him losing his cool and jumping the gun and going back on what he said.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like the concept of Bryan announcing he's going to WrestleMania. It gives the WWE time to build him as a heroic kid looking to live the "boyhood dream" his mentor once did. As someone who believes he is the most technically gifted wrestler in the world, cashing in at WrestleMania makes sense. Where else, you know? Bryan's a different breed in the WWE. Earning the World Heavyweight Championship is more important to him than winning it.

I think a more likely heel turn would come about from him not being able to defeat Randy Orton, and then snapping in the consequent weeks, and challenge Orton to a No Holds Barred Match at Extreme Rules, where he wins the WHT after using a submission in the ropes that looks unbreakable. But I think the WWE can market Bryan fine as a lovable babyface, and could make him more of a star by having him win the World Title at Mania. They can then do the snapped heel thing when he loses the belt, if he's not perpetually over as a babyface.

Also, Daniel Bryan is achieving what the WWE needs him to. He's getting pretty good face pops lately.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WWE understands that if Bryan can get over losing, he's even more of a sure thing for them. As far as mentors go, I would not be opposed to seeing William Regal step into that role. But ideally, if they could have Shawn Michaels return to the WWE (at least on a part-time basis) as Bryan's on-air mentor -- well, I think he'd get super over.

[The Naitch]

Anyone notice that they're grooming him to KINDA be the Chris Benoit (more specifically Benoit circa 2004 on the Road to WrestleMania XX_style) of today's era? (Maybe not, I just see the similarities)

QUESTION: Was there a MITB winner that FAILED to capture the WWE/WH Championship?

Seems kinda dumb to always have the MITB winners eventually win the big one.

I remember people were saying that The Miz would never win the WWE Title, but he ended up not only winning it, but he held it long enough to defend it in the WrestleMania main event

[Shisen Kopf]

Daniel Bryan is like human constipation. His matches are long, drawn out and painful but when it's over it feels so good and you never want to have it again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Everyone who cashes in wins, Naitch, because they get to pick their spots. And yes, I do see similarities between Bryan, Benoit and even HBK's rise to the top.

[Taker it Easy]

Pros: He can wait awhile before building up the heat or hype for this match. There is to much going on right now for him to get the spot light deserved.

Cons: We gotta wait. He may get injured or lose the briefcase in other means.

I'm glad because there are so many interesting things happening that if they pursued this angle at the same time it might end up being to much to focus on and get lost in the shuffle.

D Bryan is my boy, saw him at ROH shows a couple of times.

[The Naitch]

D Bry is my boy too, I see him on WWE TV every week

[Jordan]

Pros: We associate Daniel Bryan's name with Wrestlemania this year, already...
Cons: An injury would really throw them for a loop with the booking.

It's possible and likely that WWE wouldn't have made the decision to book him as the challenger for the WHC at Wrestlemania if they didn't want him to be in the match. So I feel that he will keep the briefcase.

[Xero]

Anyone notice that they're grooming him to KINDA be the Chris Benoit (more specifically Benoit circa 2004 on the Road to WrestleMania XX_style) of today's era? (Maybe not, I just see the similarities)

QUESTION: Was there a MITB winner that FAILED to capture the WWE/WH Championship?

Seems kinda dumb to always have the MITB winners eventually win the big one.

I remember people were saying that The Miz would never win the WWE Title, but he ended up not only winning it, but he held it long enough to defend it in the WrestleMania main event

Only one who won but didn't win was Kennedy due to injury. Who, ironically, also announced he'd cash in at Mania. But Edge won the briefcase and won the title with it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I got the vibe from Kennedy, though, that his was a scam. I'm sure the plan was to have him say WrestleMania, and then pick the first convenient time.

[Jordan]

Kennedy had SO MUCH heat for his MITB win, he could have been huge.

[Xero]

I got the vibe from Kennedy, though, that his was a scam. I'm sure the plan was to have him say WrestleMania, and then pick the first convenient time.

In hindsight, this makes the most sense because they took it off him immediately.

[Taker it Easy]

Kennedy had SO MUCH heat for his MITB win, he could have been huge.


Someone should have had an intervention for him. Like got a bunch of the older WWE guys together who left for WCW to sit down with him and tell him how much they miss working in WWE and stuff. Maybe get him on track.

[Mr. Nerfect]

In hindsight, this makes the most sense because they took it off him immediately.

Kennedy was officially a heel until he got hurt, too. While he was a show-boater, and a confirmed spot in the main event of WrestleMania would have definitely fit the character, to a degree -- it would have made sense for Kennedy to cash in beforehand, say "Yeah, well, I'm a dick and I chose my spot wisely," and then head into Mania the heel champion.

[#1-norm-fan]

So I'm not the only one who sees Bryan as just a way more likable, way less murdery Chris Benoit?

[Disco Apocalypse]

Winning that briefcase was the death rattle for Kennedy. Little known fact, the injury that put him on the shelf, was in fact caused by the briefcase...

True story.

They could actually make the briefcase into a storyline. Maybe the briefcase is cursed, and you need to use it within a certain time period before the curse gets you and it actually has the opposite effect and buries your career?

Swagger got the curse straight away though... the briefcase is a bitch like that.

As long as it leads to a Raw GM Podium vs. MiTB briefcase boxing match at Wrestlemania, I'll be happy...

[Disco Apocalypse]

So I'm not the only one who sees Bryan as just a way more likable, way less murdery Chris Benoit?

Tick... tock... tick... tock...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

This is going to make the Royal Rumble completely irrelevant. Cena's plan is to have the WWE Championship and defend it against The Rock. Daniel Bryan will cash in for a match against the World Heavyweight Champion.

What does this leave for the winner of the Royal Rumble?

[Droford]

Pros: Nothing.

Cons: Bryan won't draw a single buy to the most important event of the year. The fans don't care about him as a main eventer.

Id dare say they dont need the match to be a big time draw given Cena v Rock..

If they didnt have Cena v Rock then it would be a problem.

[Next Big Thing]

I feel like he'll be provoked or ordered into putting the briefcase on the line and end up losing it to Wade Barrett or something like that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is going to make the Royal Rumble completely irrelevant. Cena's plan is to have the WWE Championship and defend it against The Rock. Daniel Bryan will cash in for a match against the World Heavyweight Champion.

What does this leave for the winner of the Royal Rumble?

I assume that they'll do one of the following:

* Give the Royal Rumble a different stipulation. Eg. a title shot at Elimination Chamber.

* The Royal Rumble Winner will still get to choose their title of choice to contend for -- essentially adding them to either the WWE Championship or World Heavyweight Championship match, turning it into a Triple Threat.

* Cena vs. Rock won't be for the WWE Title, and the Royal Rumble Winner could challenge whoever the WWE Champion is -- maybe Alberto Del Rio or The Miz?

[#1-norm-fan]

I really don't think Rock and Cena is going to be for the title.

[Asmo]

^^^ I certainly hope it doesn't lead to that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It really doesn't need to be. Keep the WWE Title on Del Rio and build up someone to take it from him. It could be anyone from Sheamus to John Morrison to even The Undertaker. Three main events instead of two.

[Lock Jaw]

Pros: Possibly a good match?

Con: Dude has no charisma, personality, look, or "it factor" and will most likely be a terrible build up/execution. Also, having to hear Michael Cole rag on him for the whole event and build-up.

[Fox]

I really like this idea and I hope we make it all the way to WrestleMania without injuries or WWE jumping the gun and having Daniel Bryan cash in early. The thing about the way RVD cashed in his MITB contract is that it earned him immediate respect. "Fuck you, I don't have to take your title cheaply - I'm going to do it when both of us are healthy and ready to go, and I'm going to beat your ass in front of everyone." It takes courage and integrity to do it that way, and for a face, that's perfect. The problem with the way CM Punk cashed in his first time was that it felt cheap - even though it was against the most hated heel in the company at the time (Edge), it didn't have that feel that RVD's had, because it was a face winning the World Title by sucker punching the champ.

It also adds intrigue to the Road to WrestleMania. You have the Rumble and you have the Elimination Chamber, but then you also have this guy who has already said he's going to cash in at Mania. So I'm pretty sure it's going to end up being a Triple Threat match. But how does DB play the Rumble or the Chamber? Does he target someone who he sees as "the least threatening" and help them win the #1 Contendership at Mania so that his job is easier?

Anyways, I like it. It's never been done before and I'm interested to see how it all plays out. Bryan is a great wrestler and if he ends this "season" as a legit main eventer with a World Title to his name, that only brings us a couple steps closer to Bryan vs Punk: Best in the World for the WWE or World Title, which everyone wants to see.

[Jordan]

Speaking of Rock/Cena I gotta say with my 15+ year wrestling history and knowledge, this match will not be for the WWE Championship. That would be an utter waste of title space. Rock/Cena in no way needs that title to get the match over. Wrestlemania is just fine with a big main event superfight ala HBK/Taker or HHH/Taker.

My instincts tell me that Bryan will face CM Punk for the title at Wrestlemania if he does indeed make it to that point.

WWE seems to be running HHH/CM Punk going forward, but I feel it may culminate at Survivor Series due to WWE obviously trying to get bigger buy for the steadily declining PPV classic. And ontop of that, Wrestlemania is already going to be stacked, with Cena/Rock as the main event, 2 World Title Matches, as well as a match to beat the streak, Wrestlemania won't NEED Triple H to succeed. It actually could be damaged by it

But actually, now that I think about it, I'd just as much like to see Punk/Bryan as I would Orton/Bryan, and that is a possible match they could go with for the card I believe. And if that were the case then yeah I could see WWE running Punk/Triple H to the big one.

Either way, Wrestlemania is gonna be f'n huge.

Also I wouldn't mind The Miz to be the next guy to try and defeat the streak, or The Royal Rumble to determine who does indeed get that chance, instead of a title match.

Just an idea, could be interesting.

[XL]

PROS

- It gives them time to build DB in the eyes of the fans, to get the "WWE Universe" behind the "Internet Darling"

- Conversely, if he doesn't get over to the point they want him to be at, they can have him lose the briefcase to somebody else prior to Mania or cash in and lose the match well in advance of April '12.

- It points to the WWE being ready to use "long-term booking"

- It's something different to the "HOLY SHIT! He's cashing in!" moment that we've already seen this year from ADR. It becomes a "journey" rather than a "moment"

- Even more so, it means that DB's first title win (should it happen) will be more "legitimate" than Punk's, Edge's, Miz', Der Rio's, etc. Kinda feel like the MiB is a blessing in disguise.

- If DB were to get injured - and depending on how long he will be out - you could even use that as the storyline. Show his surgery on TV, show him in recovery and training to get back in time for Mania to achieve his dream. Or if you must take the case off him when he gets injured, have him win a title shot at the Rumble or in one of the Chambers (overness permitting)

[What Would Kevin Do?]

What I wonder is what happens if the RR winner is from Smackdown. Will DB cash it in and make it a triple threat?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I can see Punk winning the rumble, and the "title" he wants is Triple H's career.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

If they can keep this feud going that long, that is.

[Rock Bottom]

My guess is that he'll win the title and still have the briefcase.

[Rock Bottom]

Lose it in a lame fashion, then cash it in to restart and win.

[Mr. C]

My instincts tell me that Bryan will face CM Punk for the title at Wrestlemania if he does indeed make it to that point.

But actually, now that I think about it, I'd just as much like to see Punk/Bryan as I would Orton/Bryan, and that is a possible match they could go with for the card I believe. And if that were the case then yeah I could see WWE running Punk/Triple H to the big one.

I’d do something like this:

CM Punk wins the Royal Rumble, stays on RAW. I’d have Alberto Del Rio still with the title.

Del Rio vs. Punk at WrestleMania for the title. Punk wins. Daniel Bryan comes out and issues a challenge to cash in his contract later on in the night (with Punk accepting) before smashing the briefcase right into Punk’s arm deliberately. He then cashes in, slaps the LeBell Lock on Punk, and wins.

Bryan will say that he agrees with Punk’s ideals, but not his actions. Thus, Punk will give Bryan a beating and set up a series of matches.

[BizarroKing]

I’d do something like this:

CM Punk wins the Royal Rumble, stays on RAW. I’d have Alberto Del Rio still with the title.

Del Rio vs. Punk at WrestleMania for the title. Punk wins. Daniel Bryan comes out and issues a challenge to cash in his contract later on in the night (with Punk accepting) before smashing the briefcase right into Punk’s arm deliberately. He then cashes in, slaps the LeBell Lock on Punk, and wins.

Bryan will say that he agrees with Punk’s ideals, but not his actions. Thus, Punk will give Bryan a beating and set up a series of matches.

I was about to ask if you realized that Bryan's MITB is for SD! only...but then again, with the Brand Extension technically over with, this brings up a good point, is it possible to cash in on Raw now or is it specifically for the WHC since it's the "SD" MITB?

[Mr. C]

I was about to ask if you realized that Bryan's MITB is for SD! only...but then again, with the Brand Extension technically over with, this brings up a good point, is it possible to cash in on Raw now or is it specifically for the WHC since it's the "SD" MITB?

Jack Swagger was on RAW when he cashed in his shot on SmackDown, although that was before they were doing two different matches for separate briefcases, but I suppose if they wanted to book Punk taking the title and losing to Bryan following his match, they wouldn't let it stop them. Wouldn't be the first time they didn't let something like that stop them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd personally keep the WWE Title on Alberto Del Rio until WrestleMania XXVIII. I think he's doing a fine job as champion from what I've gathered, and once his reign gets momentum, he could be a pretty huge deal as WWE Champion. I mean, here's an easy way to book Del Rio through to WrestleMania:

Night of Champions: Del Rio puts Cena in the Cross Armbreaker, Cena gets to the ropes, and Del Rio refuses to break. Del Rio is disqualified, but still WWE Champion. Cena has a sore arm. Alternatively, they've also set-up Christian to cost Cena the match quite effectively.

Hell in a Cell: Cena gets another shot, without outside interference or DQs. In this match, Del Rio again puts the Cross Armbreaker on Cena, who gets to the ropes, but Del Rio doesn't need to break the hold. Cena actually has to tap, putting Del Rio over huge.

Vengeance: If he's all healed, a grudge match against Rey Mysterio would be fine here. Del Rio again retains his WWE Title -- beating Rey cleanly like he did when he first debuted.

Survivor Series: Del Rio defends the WWE Title against someone, I imagine. With The Rock likely being part of the event, he could be the Special Guest Referee is another match between Del Rio and Cena. But Del Rio retains when The Rock turns on Cena, and builds their WrestleMania feud while Del Rio continues on as WWE Champion.

TLC: Del Rio faces someone in a TLC Match for the WWE Title. It could be anyone. Could be a "feud-ender" with John Cena, or it could be a Ladder Match with John Morrison, Kofi Kingston or the like. It depends on who they want to win the...

Royal Rumble: Del Rio, of course, defends his WWE Title, and then turns his attention towards the Royal Rumble. Depending on what their WrestleMania plans are, you could have CM Punk or John Morrison win from RAW, getting a WWE Title shot against Del Rio at the grandest stage of them all. You could also have Randy Orton or Sheamus win from SmackDown!, and use the title shot to jump over to RAW and challenge Del Rio. It all depends on who the WWE wants to walk out of WrestleMania WWE Champion.

Elimination Chamber: A Chamber match featuring the top RAW Superstars sees Del Rio retain the WWE Title.

WrestleMania: The babyface challenger finally unseats Del Rio.

[St. Jimmy]

to get the "WWE Universe" behind the "Internet Darling

Ahem. <<<<

[Shadrick]

Jack Swagger was on RAW when he cashed in his shot on SmackDown, although that was before they were doing two different matches for separate briefcases, but I suppose if they wanted to book Punk taking the title and losing to Bryan following his match, they wouldn't let it stop them. Wouldn't be the first time they didn't let something like that stop them.

The MITB he won wasn't brand specific, it was the single match at Mania.