Official RAW Thread for 09/05/11 - Skinny Fat Ass Supershow Edition

[Blakeamus]

Getting this...

[Cool King]

So what happened to HHH wrestling tonight? Did I blink and miss it?

Yeah, his "match" was just a punch to Nash's face. :shifty:

[Rollermacka]

Was there some reason in particular Cena looked into the camera for the sunglasses comment?

[Blakeamus]

He left his balls in Steph's purse I guess

[Blakeamus]

Was there some reason in particular Cena looked into the camera for the sunglasses comment?

Because it's Cena...

[Corndad]

Happy Labor Day. Really Cena lol

[Blakeamus]

So what is the Main Event tonight anyway?

[SuperSlim]

Was there some reason in particular Cena looked into the camera for the sunglasses comment?

really? Come onnn... its a "shot" at The Rock.

eh.

[Innovator]

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[Blakeamus]

Can't give away a PPV calibur match on free TV silly Cena

[ClockShot]

ALBERTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Aguakate]

DAMAS Y CABALLEROS!

[Innovator]

RICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDO

[LoDownM]

Was there some reason in particular Cena looked into the camera for the sunglasses comment?

Think it was a shot at The Rock.

[Skippord]

would rather watch Ricardo Rodriguez than Del Rio

on the mic anyway

[Skippord]

although I love Ricardo Rodriguez so I don't know if that is an insult

[Aguakate]

LOS RUDOS DE RAW!

LOL

[Skippord]

would love it if the crowd yelled "que'' instead of what when Del Rio is talking

[Corndad]

Heel Beatdown

[Corndad]

Well there is your Main Event kiddies.

[Skippord]

because I am a racist

[Rollermacka]

Los Rudos of RAW? Good job dropping mexican wrestling terms on RAW

[Skippord]

Morrison has sweet pants

[Innovator]

SuperFriends!

[Rollermacka]

Calling it now, Super Cena will be the last one left and elimate everyone

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Elimination, sweet.

[Skippord]

dunno why I am being the fashion police right now

[ClockShot]

Ha. Del Rio gets the night off.

[Cool King]

With the Brand Extension basically over, isn't Theodore Long irrelevant now?

[Innovator]

dunno why I am being the fashion police right now
Skippy loves the faux leather

[Skippord]

Skippy loves the faux leather
I am a fetishist, what of it

[Innovator]

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[Innovator]

I am a fetishist, what of it
Everybodys gotta <s>price</s> vice

[Corndad]

By the Way, I thought Swagger and Dolph hated each other?

[Skippord]

Everybodys gotta <s>price</s> vice
for the Million Dollar Manhandler

[Blakeamus]

Jeez!

[Aguakate]

Ha. Del Rio gets the night off.

"Yo soy El Campeon!"

[Cool King]

Hopefully Morrison is the first to go.

[Cool King]

Awesome!

Just as I posted it.

[Blakeamus]

Yep...

[ClockShot]

We obviously know where this is going.

[Corndad]

Super Cena Warning...

[Blakeamus]

This Cena going against the odds crap is really REALLY getting old...

[Skippord]

Cole talking about Sheamus thrusting his body off of the top rope was super unsettling

[Blakeamus]

Looks like a Christian/Sheamus program in the works...

[ClockShot]

Ok. They can let the sunlight in now.

[Corndad]

Well there is Christian's next Smackdown fued.

[Cool King]

So I guess this is the start of a Sheamus/Christian feud.

[Blakeamus]

Oh great...Swagger and Ziggler...I know where this is going.:roll:

[ClockShot]

Da-dada-daaaaa.

[Skippord]

I want Ziggler and Swagger to form a team callled Swiggler

[Blakeamus]

haha liked how Cena played that pin position so Swagger can go straight to the lock...

[Corndad]

Shoulda bet on Cena winning this alone. Easy Money.

[Skippord]

that was kind of a sweet counter

[jkman61494]

Wow that may be a record.

Cena and the writers managed to bury not one, not two but THREE wrestles in about 45 seconds.

[Aguakate]

Cole talking about Sheamus thrusting his body off of the top rope was super unsettling

If your mind is dirty, yeah...

[Blakeamus]

Great RAW! It was very interesting tonight. Glad to see Ryder!

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I always made Swagger and Ziggler a team on the smackdown games. Hope they do eventually end up helping eachother. Not as an out and out tag team, but just as allies.

[Blakeamus]

Shoulda bet on Cena winning this alone. Easy Money.

You could easily sucker someone if they believed wrestling wasn't predetermined...

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Wow that may be a record.

Cena and the writers managed to bury not one, not two but THREE wrestles in about 45 seconds.

No they didn't.

[Graveler]

Wow that may be a record.

Cena and the writers managed to bury not one, not two but THREE wrestles in about 45 seconds.

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It's not burying if it furthers a storyline

[Blakeamus]

Oh no...not another CaptainCharismark?

[Jura]

With the Brand Extension basically over, isn't Theodore Long irrelevant now?
He'll manage to be General Manager of something. Maybe of Aksana.

[Cool King]

I always made Swagger and Ziggler a team on the smackdown games. Hope they do eventually end up helping eachother. Not as an out and out tag team, but just as allies.

I don't know.

I get the feeling that it's leading to a run for Ziggler as a face, leaving Vickie with Swagger.

[Cool King]

He'll manage to be General Manager of something. Maybe of Aksana.

Sounds like a good job.

[Blakeamus]

The wrestlers in that match were non related to anything but fuel the confrontation between Zig/Swag, start a program with Christian/Sheamus, and continue Cena and Del Rio...No one was buried in the end result of this match.

[Graveler]

I don't know.

I get the feeling that it's leading to a run for Ziggler as a face, leaving Vickie with Swagger.

I welcome that idea. Swagger needs Vickie more than Ziggler does. It's hard to take him seriously with that lisp

[Graveler]

The wrestlers in that match were non related to anything but fuel the confrontation between Zig/Swag, start a program with Christian/Sheamus, and continue Cena and Del Rio...No one was buried in the end result of this match.

:y:

[jkman61494]

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It's not burying if it furthers a storyline

Look, I'm not normally a Cena hater and I really don't even know what th IWC is but really? He goes from being set up for a finisher to spinging out an AA.

Then he gets put in an ankle lock for over a minute, yet Swagger taps out in about ten seconds.

And for good measure, the same Cena who was in an 8 man tag hits an AA on the champion.

I'll give you it furthers the Swagger/Ziggler storyline. But it was just another example of the WWE writers almost having fun forcing a "Super Cena" down our throats, which is a shame, cuz Cena has been at his best playing more of a tweener with the Nexus and Punk angles.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

The wrestlers in that match were non related to anything but fuel the confrontation between Zig/Swag, start a program with Christian/Sheamus, and continue Cena and Del Rio...No one was buried in the end result of this match.

But Christian didn't pin Orton and Barrett didn't win the championship in this match!!!

[jkman61494]

I don't know.

I get the feeling that it's leading to a run for Ziggler as a face, leaving Vickie with Swagger.

It makes sense to go this direction. But the way it's being booked, Ziggler is portraying the heel which is definitely weird. He's the one costing matches, acting selfish, abusive, etc.

Of the two, Swagger's been made to have the more "faceish" tendencies.

I mean, I guess it's nice he's in an angle, but it doesn't make a ton of sense thus far. At least Riley is out of it.

[Blakeamus]

But Christian didn't pin Orton and Barrett didn't win the championship in this match!!!

:lol:

[Blakeamus]

Look, I'm not normally a Cena hater and I really don't even know what th IWC is but really? He goes from being set up for a finisher to spinging out an AA.

Then he gets put in an ankle lock for over a minute, yet Swagger taps out in about ten seconds.

And for good measure, the same Cena who was in an 8 man tag hits an AA on the champion.

I'll give you it furthers the Swagger/Ziggler storyline. But it was just another example of the WWE writers almost having fun forcing a "Super Cena" down our throats, which is a shame, cuz Cena has been at his best playing more of a tweener with the Nexus and Punk angles.

Okay but where do you see the idea of THREE people getting buried in 45 seconds?

[Blakeamus]

Just a little education for some of you...

Burial (or Bury) refers to the worked lowering (relegation) of a popular wrestler's status in the eyes of the fans. It is the act of a promoter or booker causing a wrestler to lose popularity by forcing him to lose in squash matches, continuously, and/or participate in unentertaining or degrading storylines.

Do any of that apply to what you saw tonight?

[Graveler]

Look, I'm not normally a Cena hater and I really don't even know what th IWC is but really? He goes from being set up for a finisher to spinging out an AA.

Then he gets put in an ankle lock for over a minute, yet Swagger taps out in about ten seconds.

And for good measure, the same Cena who was in an 8 man tag hits an AA on the champion.

I'll give you it furthers the Swagger/Ziggler storyline. But it was just another example of the WWE writers almost having fun forcing a "Super Cena" down our throats, which is a shame, cuz Cena has been at his best playing more of a tweener with the Nexus and Punk angles.

There was nothing new that happened at the end of this Raw. Doing just your finisher on the champion isn't a burial. There was no sign of "Super Cena" here.

[Lock Jaw]

I quite enjoyed the main event tonight. Hot crowd.

They may as well just take down my podium and laptop though. :mad:

[Xero]

Why don't you just fucking chime in? Or have they disabled your access?

[Krimzon7]

Watching on DVR Right now, and Michael Cole is awesome right after that AWESOME ZACK RYDER JUNKET.... 'this guy is a complete idiot'

[Emperor Smeat]

Why don't you just fucking chime in? Or have they disabled your access?


Maybe they forgot to recharge the battery for the laptop considering how long they used it on the same charge.

[owenbrown]

Triple H took the banhammer to Lock Jaw

[Lock Jaw]

Why don't you just fucking chime in? Or have they disabled your access?

I do, but they just don't bother to even check the inbox anymore. Tech Guy also ignores my texts to activate the lights and sound.

:'(

[ThePhantom]

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[Krimzon7]

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Ah, so not true, and uncool bro

[ThePhantom]

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[jkman61494]

There was nothing new that happened at the end of this Raw. Doing just your finisher on the champion isn't a burial. There was no sign of "Super Cena" here.

Actually we just lost power here.

No sign of "Super Cena"? He overcomes 2 on 1 odds, beats both of them within 2 minutes of each other, and has enough juice left to hit a finisher on the WWE Champion. That's not "Super Cena"? Please.

The reason I say burying is this. Ziggler looks like a total jobber, you further diminish the fear of Swagger's finisher, and the WWE Champion is made to look weak.

It's the latter two I think it damages more. Both of them have image problems with a lof of fans and people on here.

Swagger is booked to be upper midcard yet his results are almost total jobber. Having him tap out mere seconds after his submission hold was on so long just further cemented his standing as a jobbing wuss.

Also, a lot of people think ADR isn't ready to be champion yet. It's an opinion echoed by many people. I still don't know how being fresh and trying to attack Cena, only to then be hit by his finisher and run away helps with that Champion credibility.

I love Del Rio and think he has a lot of talent, but if they book him wrong he could be the Christian version (was booked HORRIBLY as a champ) of Raw rather than an emerging true Main Eventer.

So in the case of Swagger (who desperately needs to look strong) and Del Rio (who needs to look like a serious champion) both got buried.

[Blakeamus]

It's too good to be true...:roll:

[Juan]

The nitpicking by jkman61494 is outrageous.

[ThePhantom]

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[Captain of Fun]

Kind of wish the person who invented demotivational was raped with an AIDS infected rail spike.

[Captain of Fun]

Actually we just lost power here.

No sign of "Super Cena"? He overcomes 2 on 1 odds, beats both of them within 2 minutes of each other, and has enough juice left to hit a finisher on the WWE Champion. That's not "Super Cena"? Please.

The reason I say burying is this. Ziggler looks like a total jobber, you further diminish the fear of Swagger's finisher, and the WWE Champion is made to look weak.

It's the latter two I think it damages more. Both of them have image problems with a lof of fans and people on here.

Swagger is booked to be upper midcard yet his results are almost total jobber. Having him tap out mere seconds after his submission hold was on so long just further cemented his standing as a jobbing wuss.

Also, a lot of people think ADR isn't ready to be champion yet. It's an opinion echoed by many people. I still don't know how being fresh and trying to attack Cena, only to then be hit by his finisher and run away helps with that Champion credibility.

I love Del Rio and think he has a lot of talent, but if they book him wrong he could be the Christian version (was booked HORRIBLY as a champ) of Raw rather than an emerging true Main Eventer.

So in the case of Swagger (who desperately needs to look strong) and Del Rio (who needs to look like a serious champion) both got buried.


You are thinking far too much about this.

[Rammsteinmad]

Awesome Raw again. Loved the 'Super Shredder' reference and the 'Cerebral ASSassin' line. Some pretty great matches thrown in too. Looking forward to Night of Champions.

[XL]

Not sure I'm on board with this "Supershow" thing just yet but that was a good Raw.

Kinda hoping Nash gets involve again further down the line (NoC maybe?) otherwise his part in this could go down as a decent sized ball drop.

[Rammsteinmad]

Considering Triple H/CM Punk has been made No DQ, I'd have thought it's pretty obvious SOMETHING has to go down.

[Innovator]

Is Russo back?

[Cool King]

Actually we just lost power here.

No sign of "Super Cena"? He overcomes 2 on 1 odds, beats both of them within 2 minutes of each other, and has enough juice left to hit a finisher on the WWE Champion. That's not "Super Cena"? Please.

No, it's not "Super Cena".

Swagger and Ziggler were involved in the match from when the bell rang, whereas Cena didn't get involved in the match until that last ten minutes or so.

So Cena was the healthy man in the match and Swagger and Ziggler were weaker from being involved in the match from the beginning.

A healthy man beats a weak man. It's not rocket science.

[XL]

YEAH!! BUT ADR WAS HEALTHIER THAN CENA!!!11!! CAN YOU SAY BURIAL!?!>!

[XL]

(Of course, we are disregarding that Del Rio has OWNED Cena on more than one occasion - dare I say every time they've had a physical altercation)

[Ace]

Actually we just lost power here.

No sign of "Super Cena"? He overcomes 2 on 1 odds, beats both of them within 2 minutes of each other, and has enough juice left to hit a finisher on the WWE Champion. That's not "Super Cena"? Please.

The reason I say burying is this. Ziggler looks like a total jobber, you further diminish the fear of Swagger's finisher, and the WWE Champion is made to look weak.

It's the latter two I think it damages more. Both of them have image problems with a lof of fans and people on here.

Swagger is booked to be upper midcard yet his results are almost total jobber. Having him tap out mere seconds after his submission hold was on so long just further cemented his standing as a jobbing wuss.

Also, a lot of people think ADR isn't ready to be champion yet. It's an opinion echoed by many people. I still don't know how being fresh and trying to attack Cena, only to then be hit by his finisher and run away helps with that Champion credibility.

I love Del Rio and think he has a lot of talent, but if they book him wrong he could be the Christian version (was booked HORRIBLY as a champ) of Raw rather than an emerging true Main Eventer.

So in the case of Swagger (who desperately needs to look strong) and Del Rio (who needs to look like a serious champion) both got buried.


Seriously? Off the top of my head, I don't remember seeing 'Super Cena' since the whole Nexus deal.

All that happened on Raw, was the number one contender came off looking strong, after the champion getting the upper hand last time. Big deal.

And I'm not denying that there was ever a 'Super Cena', but it's kind of annoying when people assume just because he doesn't lose all the time, it means he's being Super Cena.

Remember like 10 years ago when Austin used to kick the shit out of the whole Corporation? Yeah....'Super Austin' at his worst.... :roll:

To quote Kevin Nash...."Get a clue".

[Ace]

I'm not even a Cena fan, by the way. But he certainly is more enjoyable this side of WM.


Solid Raw, again.

[Lock Jaw]

Jack Swagger actually came off looking pretty strong in that main event. He actually had TWO people tap out to him. When was the last time that has happened?

[Ace]

Exactly. When you beat two people with your finisher in one match, only to get it reversed by the face of the company, you aren't getting buried...

[XL]

BUT, BUT...that actually makes total sense.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

The only recent "Super Cena" moment I can think of was the comeback at Over The Limit against The Miz.

[XL]

That was a pretty bad one to be fair.

[MIZantine Empire]

"i had a manifestation" "doesnt that happen after puberty?" that rtruth/miz segmant was gold

[XCaliber]

This was a great RAW and I really look forward to next week as I will be there in person and I'm curious as to what Reks and Hawkins are gonna up to wonder if there gonna end up being members of the New nWo lol no joke it could happen WWE.com had an article about it recently.

[Hanso Amore]

Actually we just lost power here.

No sign of "Super Cena"? He overcomes 2 on 1 odds, beats both of them within 2 minutes of each other, and has enough juice left to hit a finisher on the WWE Champion. That's not "Super Cena"? Please.

The reason I say burying is this. Ziggler looks like a total jobber, you further diminish the fear of Swagger's finisher, and the WWE Champion is made to look weak.

It's the latter two I think it damages more. Both of them have image problems with a lof of fans and people on here.

Swagger is booked to be upper midcard yet his results are almost total jobber. Having him tap out mere seconds after his submission hold was on so long just further cemented his standing as a jobbing wuss.

Also, a lot of people think ADR isn't ready to be champion yet. It's an opinion echoed by many people. I still don't know how being fresh and trying to attack Cena, only to then be hit by his finisher and run away helps with that Champion credibility.

I love Del Rio and think he has a lot of talent, but if they book him wrong he could be the Christian version (was booked HORRIBLY as a champ) of Raw rather than an emerging true Main Eventer.

So in the case of Swagger (who desperately needs to look strong) and Del Rio (who needs to look like a serious champion) both got buried.

You are like one step below starting your own WWE Sabremetrics.

You are way too far down the rabbit hole.

There is no way anything could have happened there that you wouldnt have had a problem with.

I would love to see you book that match and not "bury someone"

[Xero]

Honestly surprised to see so many people calling this a "great" or" awesome" RAW. The Nash reveal was completely shit and lazy booking. I have little interest in Punk vs Hunter because it's so rushed. Hunter wasn't even really established as the COO and he's already giving it all up.

Also, Del Rio was bitched out when he shouldn't have been. Cena should not have gotten the upper hand after being in a two on one match (essentially). It made Del Rio look like a joke. I don't see him as a worthy champion and tonight didn't change my mind.

The Ryder thing was okay, and I did like Punk vs. Truth and the main event. But overall, this was a pretty bad RAW. Compared to a month and a half ago, this is complete and utter shit.

WWE dropped the ball on Punk, and they're going right back to the same old shit. On RAW at least, as I've been legit enjoying SD quite a bit.

But Punk will be on Swagger's level come the Rumble. He's on his was down, and I don't doubt it's a way to show him and the fans that he doesn't belong at the top.

[Innovator]

Honestly surprised to see so many people calling this a "great" or" awesome" RAW. The Nash reveal was completely shit and lazy booking. I have little interest in Punk vs Hunter because it's so rushed. Hunter wasn't even really established as the COO and he's already giving it all up.


SWEEEEEEEEEERVE

[Hanso Amore]

Im hoping for a major swerve, no way does NOC go down with simply HHH losing and going back to being a wrestler.

[Innovator]

Super Dave will jump over the ring at NoC, giving Nash the opening for a lazy bomb on Hunter. Punk covers without knowing whats going on. 1-2-3.

[Xero]

Super Dave will jump over the ring at NoC, giving Nash the opening for a lazy bomb on Hunter. Punk covers without knowing whats going on. 1-2-3.

This is pretty much what I expect.

And at Cell we'll probably get Nash/Someone vs Hunter/Punk.

I also see Ace somehow gaining control after Hunter goes out. They'll say he's technically second in command or some ridiculous shit.

These are things I do not want to see, mind you.

[Innovator]

At this rate we'll get Vince returning vs. HHH in a HIAC.

Then HHH vs. Stephanie/Vince/Nash handicap match at SS with Punk as the ref.

[Xero]

And then Punk gets the dark match on Mania.

And loses to Zack Ryder.

[Innovator]

HOW DARE BOTH OF YOU GET OVER WITHOUT THE WWE STANDARD YOYO PUSH

[Innovator]

OR

Nash helps Hunter win, showing they were in on it. HHH never actually showed the footage. Punk was right all along.
















But he still lost.

[Xero]

Either way Punk is eating a Pedigree. Could also see Nash Powerbombing Hunter after a Pedigree and pulling Punk onto Hunter. Thus, Punk wins, but he would have lost.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Punk will not be depushed anywhere near that badly Xero, come on. You know better than that. You're being highly pessimistic.

[Rock Bottom]

Natalya is awesome on the mic, I had no idea.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

He's been the focal point of the number 1 storyline in the company for the past several months, and win or lose at NoC he still will be/ That won't change overnight. Well, until The Rock comes back I suppose, but even then whatever is going on with the whole Triple H/Punk/Nash/Steph/Laurinitis/Whoever story won't just be shoved to the background, it'll still be an important part of the show.

[Xero]

But what I'm saying is what happens AFTER that storyline? Sure, right now, he's in a decently high profile feud (no matter how badly booked it is). But what happens after that dies down? I certainly don't see him getting another title shot. Maybe a feud with a non-champion Del Rio? Maybe Miz? His future doesn't look good to me.

[Xero]

And I think I earned the right to be pessimistic. They completely pissed away Punk's hot streak. If you're going to sit there and tell me he's even half as hot right now as he was at MITB, you're crazy. He could still be white hot right now, but he's not. There's no excuse for that.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Probably a feud with Del Rio over the belt during Survivor Series time when Cena goes off to trade promos with The Rock. Then I don't know, let's just wait and see how it plays out?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

And I think I earned the right to be pessimistic. They completely pissed away Punk's hot streak. If you're going to sit there and tell me he's even half as hot right now as he was at MITB, you're crazy. He could still be white hot right now, but he's not. There's no excuse for that.

I agree he's nowhere near as hot as he was a couple of months back, but my personal opinion on that is that it would be difficult to have him come back as a face and still keep that hot streak going. For me his anger in his earlier promos while he was still heel was what gave him that extra fire, as well as him going up against Cena, adding to the crowd dynamic at the PPV's and saying the things on live TV that people on the internet have been saying for years (there's only so many things he can bring up to be shocking before he runs out).

[Lock Jaw]

They definitely could have steamed Cena/Punk for longer, but whatever.

This HHH resigning if he loses stipulation, for me, has added the interest into this match that it was lacking without Punk going after/defending the WWE Title. Interested to see what happens.

[Xero]

He doesn't need to be the "shooter" to be white hot. Honestly, if they had kept the character (at its basics, someone who feels the industry needs to change for the better who is also in it for personal gain) going, toned down, they could have had AT LEAST one more PPV match with Cena. Their TV match showed me that they left a lot of money on the table. Also, during the time Cena and Punk were still going, Hunter could have been built up as this COO that does things for the good of the company and not gotten into any altercations. So when Hunter and Punk's match finally came around at, say, the build to Survivor Series, it would have been more believable.

Instead, they shoehorn Hunter into their match at SummerSlam, hotshot the title to Del Rio because they're touring Mexico and bring in Kevin fucking Nash for a feud with Punk.

Punk didn't need to be the champion, but he and Cena needed a rubber match on PPV to keep Punk's momentum going. If that happened, and at NOC had Cena win in some bullshit way, say what they did at SummerSlam but reversed (with Hunter as the ref), and then had Del Rio cash in on Cena, things would have been a lot better off. Then you'd have a logical reason for Cena vs. Del Rio and Punk would have legit heat with Hunter because he didn't officiate the match correctly.

It really only would have taken an extra month and no Kevin Nash to make this whole thing make sense and work well.

[Ace]

I can honestly see Nash siding with Punk and Laurenitis (or whatever the hell his name is), to gain control of the WWE.

To be honest, there are a few ways this can go, and I'll be watching to find out what happens. To me, thats good TV. Because 2 or so years ago, I couldn't give a shit about what happens 'next week' because they weren't doing anything leading into the following week, or raising any questions for the fans to think about until the next Raw.

[Lock Jaw]

He doesn't need to be the "shooter" to be white hot. Honestly, if they had kept the character (at its basics, someone who feels the industry needs to change for the better who is also in it for personal gain) going, toned down, they could have had AT LEAST one more PPV match with Cena. Their TV match showed me that they left a lot of money on the table. Also, during the time Cena and Punk were still going, Hunter could have been built up as this COO that does things for the good of the company and not gotten into any altercations. So when Hunter and Punk's match finally came around at, say, the build to Survivor Series, it would have been more believable.

Instead, they shoehorn Hunter into their match at SummerSlam, hotshot the title to Del Rio because they're touring Mexico and bring in Kevin fucking Nash for a feud with Punk.

Punk didn't need to be the champion, but he and Cena needed a rubber match on PPV to keep Punk's momentum going. If that happened, and at NOC had Cena win in some bullshit way, say what they did at SummerSlam but reversed (with Hunter as the ref), and then had Del Rio cash in on Cena, things would have been a lot better off. Then you'd have a logical reason for Cena vs. Del Rio and Punk would have legit heat with Hunter because he didn't officiate the match correctly.

It really only would have taken an extra month and no Kevin Nash to make this whole thing make sense and work well.

Of course what you described is what should have been done, and is better...

But it wasn't what they did. So just sit back, relax, Taker it Easy, and...

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[jkman61494]

Two weeks ago, there were people telling everyone to calm down and let this Punk/HHH develop before we pan it. Well how about now?

I don't know what's legit going on with Nash and his health, but the opening promo was absolutely painful to watch. I think you can officially lump Punk in with the Nexus angle as a beautiful thing that fans were into that the WWE absolutely pissed away.

I'm certainly not the only person to feel this way. Go to www.pwinsider.com and you'll see one of the more scathing reviews of a Raw that I've seen in a really long time.

[Ace]

I for one am still enjoying the storyline. But lately I have been ignoring the 'smark' part of me whilst watching, and just enjoying as a viewer.

[Krimzon7]

Natalya is awesome in a black dress, I had an erection.

Me TOO!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I loved Raw apart from the Del Rio segments. I'm going to need to see the certificate of officially before I officially group this angle in with terribly booked failures like Nexus, because I'm not buying it.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

HHH and Punk are wrestling soon.

GIDDY

[Next Big Thing]

The "shooter" stuff should definitely be toned down because the novelty of it is wearing off fast.

I thought Punk absolutely buried Nash on the mic the past couple of weeks to the point where I as a Nash fan was wishing he wasn't out there. He pretty much pissed all over the guy's legacy and accomplishments from the rip to the point where if you were a fan not familiar with Diesel, Nash, the NWO, etc... you sure as hell don't view him as a credible threat after. The comments about Hunter answering to Stephanie are also kind of played out at this point.

I think the notion that Nash sent the text to himself is a really shitty out, but I feel the finish to the Punk/HHH match can salvage the program and maybe give it new legs if done right.

[jkman61494]

I think the notion that Nash sent the text to himself is a really shitty out, but I feel the finish to the Punk/HHH match can salvage the program and maybe give it new legs if done right.

I know wrestling isn't for brainiacs, but seriously? That's the best they could come up with?! Texting yourself?! That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. David Arquette thinks that's stupid.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Nash fucking sucks.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Oh, but I think Nash is just covering for Laurinitis.

[Corndad]

I still think it's gonna come out that HHH or Steph sent the text. That it was only a cover up and a reason they could "fire" Nash. Nash gonna end up costing Punk the match at NOC. I hope it all leads to an elimination type match with Kliq vs Punk's Team at Survivor Series in November.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Really wish people would stop saying they want The Kliq or NWO in this story.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'd rather have The Oddities.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Shaggy 2 Dope sent the text.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Not unless the word "bitch" was in it somewhere.

[Anybody Thrilla]

So if I'm getting this straight, Nash snuck backstage and into Triple H's office, stole Hunter's phone, sent himself a text, snuck back to his "seat" unnoticed, then jumped the rail to 'stick' Punk?

Seems like a bit much.

[Skippord]

Secret tunnel

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Must have hired a lookalike to go into the office and send the text.

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[parkmania]

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With Nash taking the place of John Tenta.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Shit, didn't Luna die too? :(

[Next Big Thing]

So if I'm getting this straight, Nash snuck backstage and into Triple H's office, stole Hunter's phone, sent himself a text, snuck back to his "seat" unnoticed, then jumped the rail to 'stick' Punk?

Seems like a bit much.

Not if Nash used his backstage pass earlier in the day, snuck into the office during a pre-production meeting, where no cell phones are allowed, sent it to his cell phone and then erased the outbox on HHH's phone so that he wouldn't notice someone sent a text from it :shifty:

That story is so shitty and oversimplistic that I really hope Nash is covering for someone, preferably Vince.

The use of the word "stick" by Nash may be the best thing to come from his return.

[parkmania]

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With Nash taking the place of John Tenta.

Shit, didn't Luna die too? :(

Shit, you're right - um - Mae Young takes the place of Luna. Yeah, that'll put butts in seats.