NFL 2011 Season Thread

[RP]

Boiler up MOTHERFUCKERS!

[Droford]

I knew not to trust Tampa to cover lol

[RP]

Curtis Painter has been fantastic all things considered right now.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Jon Gruden is a walking spoiler alert. Just calls every play before it happens.

[Skippord]

LeGarrette Blount is a fucking animal

love that dude

[RP]

Probably gunna change my avatar to Andrew Luck here in a minute

[RP]

I'm starting to think one year of horribleness beats the hell out of becoming the Bengals or Broncos, if it means we get Luck.

[Skippord]

if Curtis Painter is playing football who is operating the tilt-a-whirl at the Indianapolis state fair

[RP]

Jeff George

[owenbrown]

Have they dialed up Brett Favre's Bat-phone yet?

[Droford]

The only way the Colts draft Luck is if they are above 85% certain that Manning is one more hit or something away from being done. If he can come back, I would think he would still have at least 3-4 years left in him if not more, which is the most of the time time Luck would be under contract, probably not playing. You can't pay top pick money to someone whos not gonna play for 3-4 years. They definitely should shop around the #1 pick and see who gives them back the most in return. Probably the trade partner would be Miami and they could get their likely top 5 pick and a bunch of other picks next year and in the future for him..

[OssMan]

What's wrong with having a quarterback on the bench behind a hall of famer for 3-4 years? Look at Aaron Rodgers compared to Alex Smith

[Droford]

I dont see Peyton Manning retiring, coming back, retiring, taking pictures of his cock, etc

Also Rodgers was the 24th pick, not #1

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If someone drafts and stashes Luck away for a while, they're not sticking a $50 million contract on the bench anymore. The rookie wage scale is gonna make it way easier to sit rookie QBs.

[Ermaximus]

What does the draft number matter? If the guy is going to be groomed by Manning who cares? Luck goes to Indy, sits at least a year learning the Colts offense and learning from Manning, and then takes over once Manning calls it quits.

[Ermaximus]

If someone drafts and stashes Luck away for a while, they're not sticking a $50 million contract on the bench anymore. The rookie wage scale is gonna make it way easier to sit rookie QBs.

This would explain why Ponder and Locker STILL have yet to play I'm sure.

I can understand why Tennessee hasn't played him (Locker) yet as Hasslebeck seems to be doing decent, but the Vikings are going nowhere fast. Just put Ponder in already, you're not going to the playoffs anyways.

If the Bengals, Panthers, and Jags are doing it, what's your excuse Vikings?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Locker is on the Titans. Mallet is on the Patriots.

[Ermaximus]

Locker is on the Titans. Mallet is on the Patriots.

My mistake, I meant Locker. Mallett won't be playing anytime soon, but he will sure as shit benefit from a guy like Brady.

[FearedSanctity]

Yeah wtf how could sitting Luck behind Peyton ever be considered a bad idea? Time to iron out any issues while learning about the offense and game in general from one of the best ever? Yeah that's a terrible fucking idea

[Crimson]

If the Vikings are smart they'll go 0-16

[Requiem]

Main problem I see is that some of the Colts main starters will likely be close to retiring about the time Peyton retires, or shortly after even. On the upside, a young offense could be tailored around Andrew Luck instead of trying to fit him into a Peyton Manning style offense. With several years to learn from the master, Luck could potentially be a dominating force very quickly when he steps up to be a starter. It could be very beneficial to pick him up now, and use the next several years to start filling spots that could potentially be empty around the time Peyton leaves.

Really liked this season's drafts, though it appears 2 of them went out with an injury last game. Don't know what they're looking like for the rest of the season, but by next season and with Peyton back, Colts are going to be scary and pissed. Texans and Titans better enjoy their time in the spotlight fighting it out. Peyton is gonna be back with a vengeance.

[Ermaximus]

Yea, you guys do that. I'll just twiddle my thumbs until they announce who our new coach is.

[RP]

I get an erection just thinking about Luck ( probably the best qb prospect to come out in the last 15 years) getting groomed by Peyton Manning.

[Skippord]

don't really see why the Colts would draft Luck number 1 when they could draft someone to help Peyton Manning win a Super Bowl

unless Manning retires

[Droford]

I get an erection just thinking about Luck ( probably the best qb prospect to come out in the last 15 years) getting groomed by Peyton Manning.
What happens when Lucks rookie contract is up and Peyton isn't ready to retire? You gonna force out Peyton or let Luck with all of QB knowledge from Peyton go to another team and haunt you for the next 10 years? and dont say you forgot the option that they sign him again to continue to backup because theres no way Andrew Luck wants to sit on the bench forever..give me a break.

I wanna be around to see that.

[McLegend]

If you can trade Joe Montana you can trade Peyton Manning.

[Droford]

If you can trade Joe Montana you can trade Peyton Manning.
What are the odds that Luck is the next Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers?

[FearedSanctity]

What are the odds of the Colts being totally fucked at QB after Peyton retires if they don't take advantage now?

[McLegend]

They would probably very low. That's why you have to some really good and hard scouting.

[RP]

We draft Luck because we don't want to get suck with a crap Qb like Joe Flacco.

[Reavant]

lol... you realize you guys will probably win some games before the dolfins and rams do right?

Theres too much peripheral talent on the colts team to go winless on a season.

Also anyone who thinks that players would downplay or throw games for a future draft pick are retarded. Seasons like this are resume building seasons for good players on that team that will be looking for another team if it continues to head south or looking to get more money from the colts in the future.

[RP]

No I think the tank is on. They cut there second best corner for fun. Monday night, they ran the same vanilla zone defense as the Bucs ran the same play 10 straight times. No adjustments. Last sunday night they had the middle linebacker matched up against Mike Wallace on the 80 yard td. Monday night they matched there outside linebacker on Arelious Benn when he ran that long touchdown that called back.

I honestly think they are trying to tank. I think Kerry Collins was an act of tanking.

This Chiefs game this week... Dexter Mccluster might make the Pro Bowl off this game alone.

[RP]

The players aren't tanking. They won't tank. The coaches and there schemes and play calling is how you tank.

[Ermaximus]

You guys should hire Jack Del Rio then if you want to tank.

[Battlekat]

Or Marvin Lewis.

[RP]

What? Jim Caldwell makes Jack Del Rio look like Vince Lombardi

[Ermaximus]

What? Jim Caldwell makes Jack Del Rio look like Vince Lombardi

ROFL. THIS IS BEING SIGGED!

[Nark Order]

Man, I was getting fairly pessimistic here but it's not over yet. If the Niners can take out the Eagles, then surely they stand a chance against the Bucs. Not so sure about the Lions. ugh.

[Ermaximus]

Narc, you act like the 49ers aren't going to win their division this year. Let's face it, it's theirs to lose. Rams are hurting bad so they're out, Seattle is just dreadful, and Arizona is really all you have to beat.

49ers will win the NFC West.

Also, fuck Ochocinco. He's been dropped in favor of Eric "Mean Mother Fucker" Decker on my fantasy team.

[FearedSanctity]

http://oi53.tinypic.com/2nuk2mo.jpg

[Droford]

We draft Luck because we don't want to get suck with a crap Qb like Joe Flacco.

joe Flacco

NFL records


First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs (along with Matt Ryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ryan))
First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons
Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino))
Most playoff road wins: 4 (tied with Len Dawson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson), Roger Staubach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach), Jake Delhomme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Delhomme), and Mark Sanchez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanchez))

Must be tough to have such a crap QB huh? Wont even bore you with this then:

Peyton Manning Playoffs first 3 years
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1999-2000)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>19</td> <td>42</td> <td>45.2</td> <td>227</td> <td>5.4</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>62.3</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_2000-01)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>17</td> <td>32</td> <td>53.1</td> <td>194</td> <td>6.1</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>82.0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_2002-03)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>14</td> <td>31</td> <td>45.2</td> <td>137</td> <td>4.4</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>31.2</td></tr></tbody></table>
Joe Flacco First 3 Years
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2008</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>3</td> <td>75</td> <td>33</td> <td>44.0%</td> <td>437</td> <td>5.8</td> <td>48</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> <td>50.8</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2009</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>2</td> <td>45</td> <td>24</td> <td>53.3%</td> <td>223</td> <td>4.96</td> <td>27</td> <td>0</td> <td>3</td> <td>39.4</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2010</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>2</td> <td>64</td> <td>41</td> <td>64.06%</td> <td>390</td> <td>6.1</td> <td>28</td> <td>3</td> <td>1</td> <td>90.0
</td></tr></tbody></table>

[FearedSanctity]

Are you serious? Colts were terrible Manning's rookie year so that disqualifies him from the first three and the sixth, as well as pretty much crippling him in the rest. Only one you can even kinda put on Manning is the last, but even then given the Colts usual regular season dominance most of their playoff games were home games anyway.

If you wanna compare Flacco to Manning pull up some actual fucking stats instead of trying to cite retarded records

Edit: Nice edit to actually include stats

[Droford]

Flacco has more playoff wins in 3 years than Manning did in 6. Outside of the Super Bowl year, Manning has been outed in their first game in the playoffs 7 of the other 10 years. Also, as you pointed out, most of those losses were at home (4 times). Flacco has done all of work on the road in the playoffs. Peyton Manning's record is 2-5 on the road in the playoffs.

[Nark Order]

The 49ers are definitely NOT a lock to win their division. At any time there is the potential for them to lose like 5 games in a row and fuck themselves hard.

[FearedSanctity]

Flacco has more playoff wins in 3 years than Manning did in 6. Outside of the Super Bowl year, Manning has been outed in their first game in the playoffs 7 of the other 10 years.

Because he had a fucking ridiculous defense to piggyback off of, as evidenced by the stats you post.

For the first two years:
50.8 and 39.4 ratings? Fucking disgusting.
145.6 YPG and 111.5 YPG? Horrible.
1 TD and 6 INT? Ryan Leaf like.

He definitely did step it up the 3rd year, but to argue his greatness merely because he was QB at the time the Ravens D was winning the games? Come on bro

[Droford]

Because he had a fucking ridiculous defense to piggyback off of, as evidenced by the stats you post.

For the first two years:
50.8 and 39.4 ratings? Fucking disgusting.
145.6 YPG and 111.5 YPG? Horrible.
1 TD and 6 INT? Ryan Leaf like.

He definitely did step it up the 3rd year, but to argue his greatness merely because he was QB at the time the Ravens D was winning the games? Come on bro
I think its funny you missed Peytons 31.2 QBR in 2002 in that lovely 41-0 loss to the Jets where he threw for 137 yards and 2 Ints...

I'll give you regular season stats

First few things I notice are how comparable they are in completion % and QB rating, and also how many more INTs Manning has thrown..obviously peyton's got the yards and TDs...

<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2008</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>16</td> <td>16</td> <td>11 428</td> <td>257</td> <td>60%</td> <td>2,971</td> <td>6.9</td> <td>70</td> <td>14</td> <td>12</td> <td>80.3</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2009</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>16</td> <td>16</td> <td>9 499</td> <td>315</td> <td>63.1%</td> <td>3,613</td> <td>7.2</td> <td>72</td> <td>21</td> <td>12</td> <td>88.9</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2010</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>16</td> <td>16</td> <td>12 489</td> <td>306</td> <td>62.6%</td> <td>3,622</td> <td>7.4</td> <td>67</td> <td>25</td> <td>10</td> <td>93.6</td></tr></tbody></table>
vs
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NFL_season)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>16</td> <td>16</td> <td>3</td> <td>326</td> <td>575</td> <td>56.7</td> <td>3,739</td> <td>6.5</td> <td>26</td> <td>28 71.2</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NFL_season)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>16</td> <td>16</td> <td>13</td> <td>331</td> <td>533</td> <td>62.1</td> <td>4,135</td> <td>7.8</td> <td>26</td> <td>15 90.7
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NFL_season)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>16</td> <td>16</td> <td>10</td> <td>357</td> <td>571</td> <td>62.5</td> <td>4,413</td> <td>7.7</td> <td>33</td> <td>15 94.7
</td></tr></tbody></table>

[FearedSanctity]

Manning had:
More yards each season
More TDs each season
Higher rating 2/3 seasons
Higher YPA 2/3 seasons

Was also league leader in completions, yards and TDs in 2000. Leader in attempts 1998.

Flacco has:
Higher percentage each season
Fewer INTs each season

[FearedSanctity]

Flacco is the beneficiary of a team with a great defense. He's good when his defense is.

[Droford]

when was the last time Peyton Manning beat Tom Brady in the playoffs in Foxboro?

hmm..yeah..thought so

[FearedSanctity]

Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Flacco 4/10 34 0 1


When was the last time Flacco did?

[Droford]

win is a win

[FearedSanctity]

That Flacco clearly had nothing to do with

[Droford]

So in 2004 when the colts lost to the Pats in the AFC championship, Mannings 304 yards meant what exactly..he threw 10 times as many yards..and they lost..ooh

I'll take my QB throwing for 34 yards and a win in NE over 300 yards and a loss every time..its exactly how I feel about the Jets game last sunday night too.

[FearedSanctity]

You keep trying to give Flacco credit for the Ravens playoff wins even when he obviously has nothing to do with it.

You post these records for playoff wins during his rookie and sophomore seasons, but then back it up with stats that show he played like absolute garbage? You said HE beat the Pats, despite throwing for just 34 yards and an INT? Uh, no. It was clearly Rice and McGahee with their 200+ yards and 3 TDs.

We're not just talking about wins, like you're now trying to pretend we are. We're talking about these two QBs effect on wins and you've only shown that for the most part Flacco has had nothing to do with them

[Skippord]

http://oi53.tinypic.com/2nuk2mo.jpg
:'(

[FearedSanctity]

Yeah, I at first thought it was yet another case of Knowshon slipping, but if you actually look the seat on the bike fell

[Skippord]

metaphor for his career?

[DaveBrawl]

Metaphor for the last 6 seasons.

[CSL]

joe Flacco

NFL records


First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs (along with Matt Ryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ryan))
First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons
Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino))
Most playoff road wins: 4 (tied with Len Dawson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson), Roger Staubach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach), Jake Delhomme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Delhomme), and Mark Sanchez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanchez))

Must be tough to have such a crap QB huh? Wont even bore you with this then:

Peyton Manning Playoffs first 3 years
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1999-2000)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>19</td> <td>42</td> <td>45.2</td> <td>227</td> <td>5.4</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>62.3</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_2000-01)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>17</td> <td>32</td> <td>53.1</td> <td>194</td> <td>6.1</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>82.0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_2002-03)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>14</td> <td>31</td> <td>45.2</td> <td>137</td> <td>4.4</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>31.2</td></tr></tbody></table>
Joe Flacco First 3 Years
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2008</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>3</td> <td>75</td> <td>33</td> <td>44.0%</td> <td>437</td> <td>5.8</td> <td>48</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> <td>50.8</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2009</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>2</td> <td>45</td> <td>24</td> <td>53.3%</td> <td>223</td> <td>4.96</td> <td>27</td> <td>0</td> <td>3</td> <td>39.4</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2010</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>2</td> <td>64</td> <td>41</td> <td>64.06%</td> <td>390</td> <td>6.1</td> <td>28</td> <td>3</td> <td>1</td> <td>90.0
</td></tr></tbody></table>

pretty sure he's referring to this there Droldfish:

I actually had the bad thought that if they do go 1-4 they might as well go for the "suck for Luck" and not win another game. They play one of the major contenders for Luck (Seattle) as it is (the other being Miami). Flacco is a free agent after this year too..

Are you fucking serious right now?

Im still partly pissed off I drove 1800 miles to Nashville and the Ravens never even bothered to show up, but yes I am.

and are you really arguing that Flacco is better than Peyton Manning?

[CSL]

actually, just noticed you were conveniently ignoring a bunch obvious information/common sense/logic and were using specific instances and misleading statements as your examples. Can you not keep the "being utterly ridiculous" exclusively in the discussion forum?

[RP]

Lol

That's all

[OssMan]

joe Flacco

NFL records


First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs (along with Matt Ryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ryan))
First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons
Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino))
Most playoff road wins: 4 (tied with Len Dawson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson), Roger Staubach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach), Jake Delhomme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Delhomme), and Mark Sanchez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanchez))

Must be tough to have such a crap QB huh? Wont even bore you with this then:

Peyton Manning Playoffs first 3 years
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1999-2000)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>19</td> <td>42</td> <td>45.2</td> <td>227</td> <td>5.4</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>62.3</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_2000-01)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>17</td> <td>32</td> <td>53.1</td> <td>194</td> <td>6.1</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>82.0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_2002-03)</td> <td>IND</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>14</td> <td>31</td> <td>45.2</td> <td>137</td> <td>4.4</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>31.2</td></tr></tbody></table>
Joe Flacco First 3 Years
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2008</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>3</td> <td>75</td> <td>33</td> <td>44.0%</td> <td>437</td> <td>5.8</td> <td>48</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> <td>50.8</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2009</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>2</td> <td>45</td> <td>24</td> <td>53.3%</td> <td>223</td> <td>4.96</td> <td>27</td> <td>0</td> <td>3</td> <td>39.4</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>2010</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td>2</td> <td>64</td> <td>41</td> <td>64.06%</td> <td>390</td> <td>6.1</td> <td>28</td> <td>3</td> <td>1</td> <td>90.0
</td></tr></tbody></table>
What the fuck, every single one of those records has to do with team success rather than individual success. I'm sure you could apply most of those to any rookie player on the team that year. First cornerback to start and win a playoff game in first three seasons - CB LarDarius Web

[screech]

I love Joe Flacco, but he's not better than Peyton Manning. Could he be? It's possible. Unlikely, but surely possible.

He's always had a very good-great defense to support him/keep him in games. Peyton Manning has not and he still puts up ridiculous numbers & wins.

Yes, you could argue he's always had good-great targets (as Flacco has not, really), but he still has not always had the defensive support Flacco has.

[screech]

And I love Trent Dilfer, but I certainly don't credit the success of the 2000 Ravens to him. Some of it, yes. He obviously deserves it for not throwing that many interceptions. But to say he won the Ravens a championship would be silly.

Just like saying Flacco > Manning is silly. Or that Flacco's success is solely because of how good he is. He is very good, but can't always win by himself the way Peyton can.

[DrA]

Flacco sounds like an animal with webbed feet.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't know why you guys are even bothering to argue with a guy who clearly has no intention of using logic or reason. Seems like a waste of time to me.

[RP]

Miami up'ed the ante on the Suck for Luck campaign. Henne has been put down for the season and they are ' threatening ' to bring in Trent Edwards.

[Droford]

Flacco was called a crap QB. Crap QBs dont have 36 wins in their first 3 years in the league. Kyle fucking Boller had the same god damned defense for 3 years and he didn't win shit with it. Kyle Boller is a crap QB. So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense. If that was the case boller would be on his way to the fucking hall of fame by now.

[RP]

Someone must of replaced his stats this year, with a crap QB's stats.

[RP]

Tavaris Jackson's qb rating is higher then Flacco's

[SammyG]

and the Rams season is over. Move over, RP, we're coming for that number 1 spot!

[Ermaximus]

I thought Miami was going to sign Garrard? Not that he's any better than Edwards, but either way, the Suck for Luck race has begun to heat up.

[Nervous Ferret]

Return of Rosenfels

[Droford]

My Betting Picks Week 5 (Last Week (http://www.tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3640843&postcount=872) 12-4 ATS, Season 26-34-4 ATS, 1-2 Locks)

Titans +3.5 @ Steelers [Titans are suddenly a playoff contender and the Steelers are looking like a MASH unit. Gimped up Roethlisberger, battered offensive line, potentially no Mendenhall, Harrison out..I think this is the Titans personal litmus test for themselves and they'll pass it with a win.]
Chiefs +2 @ Colts [Colts off the short week loss and disapointment, Chiefs off their first win and excitement. Take the momentum, energy and the points]
Cardinals +2.5 @ Vikings [Similar to Chiefs/Vikings though the Cardinals arent coming off a win]
Bengals +2.5 @ Jaguars [Similar to the first two again, and for what its worth I like the Cincy defense at least..]
Bills +2.5 vs Eagles [I dont understand how an imploding Eagles team is a favorite on the road vs a team that was close to being 4-0, even if it was vs the Bengals. I see this as a similar situation to the game after the Ravens lost to the Titans, they will come back refocused and ready to throttle the Eagles who are in a complete tailspin.]
Raiders +5.5 @ Texans [Texans are on a roll but one vulnerability they have is rush defense, they've given up yards to some suspect players and McFadden is the best RB they will have faced...plus no Andre Johnson for the Texans..EDIT Also a win for Al Davis..]
Panthers +6.5 vs Saints [I don't see the Panthers winning, but once again I think Cam Newton can keep the Panthers in the game just enough to not lose by a TD, especially since I wasn't impressed with the Saints defense last week in what should have been an easy game.]
Giants -9.5 vs Seahawks [Lot of points to give up but the Giants are at home and its the Seahawks..Don't know what else to say.]
Buccaneers +2.5 @ 49ers [People are probably going to be on the 49ers after their upset win in Philly but I think that the Buccaneers are a better team overall, though a win on the west coast will be tough for Tampa (6 wins in 32 west coast games all time)
Patriots -9 vs Jets [The Jets seem to be imploding just like the Eagles and I think the last team the Jets wanted to see this weekend was the Patriots...lot of points but Im pretty sure Tom Brady's good for em]
Broncos +4 vs Chargers [The Chargers usually start off slow, this year they've been able to win while doing it but its been an illusion..smoke and mirrors (OOOOOOH) anyway..No one wants to bet on the Broncos after they were throttled by the Packers, but I say they'll show up and give the Chargers a fight in a divisional game at home]
Falcons +6 vs Packers [People are gonna call me crazy. How can you bet against the Packers?? Matt Ryan is 16-6 ATS at home in his career. The Packers secondary isn't solid and I think Ryan can easily go toe to toe with Rodgers since he has just as many weapons to throw to. The Falcons also kind of need this game big time or else they risk being in trouble given how the Saints and Bucs are playing. I'm also pretty crazy to say the Falcons will win outright.. Im probably just plain insane to make this my Lock of the Week (1-2)]
Bears +5 @ Lions [The Lions have won 12 games in a row (4 last year, 4 preseason, 4 this year), the world must be upside down! I watched their comeback last week and was amazed at how they did it. But the wheels have to come off the cart at some point, and I think the Bears, who need a win to stay in playoff contention already, would like nothing more than to end the Lions dream season in Detroit in front of a national tv audience..and they'll do it by running the football with Forte and special teams.]

5-7-1 ATS

[Droford]

and the Rams season is over. Move over, RP, we're coming for that number 1 spot!
You aren't giving up on Bradford are you?

[Droford]

Tavaris Jackson's qb rating is higher then Flacco's

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow player-28-9650" align="right"><td align="left">21</td><td align="left">Tarvaris Jackson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9650/tarvaris-jackson), QB</td><td align="left">SEA</td><td>135</td><td>84</td><td>62.2</td><td>846</td><td>6.27</td><td>55</td><td>5</td><td>4</td><td>14</td><td class="sortcell">80.0</td><td>212</td></tr><tr class="evenrow player-28-11252" align="right"><td align="left">22</td><td align="left">Joe Flacco (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11252/joe-flacco), QB</td><td align="left">BAL</td><td>140</td><td>69</td><td>49.3</td><td>973</td><td>6.95</td><td>74</td><td>7</td><td>3</td><td>8</td><td class="sortcell">79.9</td><td>243</td></tr></tbody></table>
only because of Flacco's sub 50% completion rate which wont stay that low much longer

[Nark Order]

Yeah, but Alex Smith is rated 8th. Let's just agree to throw that list into the fireplace.

[CSL]

Flacco was called a crap QB. Crap QBs dont have 36 wins in their first 3 years in the league. Kyle fucking Boller had the same god damned defense for 3 years and he didn't win shit with it. Kyle Boller is a crap QB. So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense. If that was the case boller would be on his way to the fucking hall of fame by now.

good fucking lord

[Reavant]

Flacco was called a crap QB. Crap QBs dont have 36 wins in their first 3 years in the league. Kyle fucking Boller had the same god damned defense for 3 years and he didn't win shit with it. Kyle Boller is a crap QB. So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense. If that was the case boller would be on his way to the fucking hall of fame by now.

you realize trent dilfer ( a widely renown crap QB) won a superbowl for you guys


by your logic he is at the same level as both mannings and brees because he has won just as many as them

[RoXer]

I'm just glad no one is posting the key to these stats and they're just numbers

[RoXer]

NYM 130 27 69.234 .027 ops 33% 14 brown 6'4" 215 7" 3x+4y

[Droford]

you realize trent dilfer ( a widely renown crap QB) won a superbowl for you guys


by your logic he is at the same level as both mannings and brees because he has won just as many as them
Im surprised you didnt drag out ole reliable "better than Dan Marino??!" line

I get the Ravens Super Bowl team had nothing to do with Dilfer. The Ravens went 6 games straight that year without scoring a TD and still managed to win 2 of those games. When you have like the 2nd or 3rd best defense of all time, it didnt matter who was the QB. the Ravens defense of the last couple years has been good, but not 2000 good.

Im hearing grumblings of how the defense this year is 2000-esque, and while you can see it, their secondary is at best adequate at the moment and if that doesnt improve they'll be burned sometime in the passing game enough to stop the comparisons. People are saying as easy as their schedule is, its possible they could out-do 2000 :

In only four games, Baltimore has forced 11 fumbles, picked off six passes and recorded 11 sacks. The defense has allowed only four touchdowns, none in the fourth quarter and 57 total points.
The Ravens defense in the 2000 season finished with 23 interceptions, 35 sacks and plus-23 turnover ratio and only allowed a total of 18 touchdowns.

[Hanso Amore]

Flacco was called a crap QB. Crap QBs dont have 36 wins in their first 3 years in the league. Kyle fucking Boller had the same god damned defense for 3 years and he didn't win shit with it. Kyle Boller is a crap QB. So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense. If that was the case boller would be on his way to the fucking hall of fame by now.

So if you love his cock in your bald festering mouth so much, why are you "sky is falling" if they lose and hope they SUCK FOR LUCK? Is the idea of Sucking for a Tall man too much for you to ignore?

[FearedSanctity]

So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense.

Yes, yes I can. Starting with the 4 wins you seem to care most about.

Ravens' stats from the 4 road playoff wins:

2008 Wild Card vs Dolphins (27-9)
Flacco - 9/23 135yds 0 TDs
McClain and McGahee - 137 yds 1 TD
Defense - 4 INTs, 3 sacks, 1 FF, 1 TD

2008 Divisional vs Titans (13-10)
Flacco - 11/22 161yds 1 TD
McClain and McGahee - 44yds
Defense - 1 INT, 1 sack, 3 FFs

2009 Wildcard vs Patriots (33-14)
Flacco - 4/10 34yds 0 TDs 1 INT
Rice and McGahee - 221 yds, 3 TDs
Defense - 3 INTs, 3 sacks, 1 FF

2010 Wildcard vs Chiefs (30-7)
Flacco - 25/34 265yds 2 TDs
Rice and McGahee - 101yds, 1 TD
Defense - 3 INTs, 3 sacks, 2 FFs

Clearly Flacco did good last year, but for his 3rd year you'd better fucking hope so. But the other 3 wins he averaged from below average to shit. Meanwhile the constant in all 3 games is the ridiculous defense and a good run game. I dare you to tell me that without the D putting up stats like that that the Ravens ever even have a chance of make it past the Wildcard

11 INTs, 10 sacks, 7 FFs and 1 TD in 4 games? Jesus

[Droford]

if they had lost to the Rams, then something would have needed to happen, but that was a worst case scenario, especially considering I thought the Jets would be a tougher matchup then they were..

Problem I have the most as do most Ravens fans is Cam Cameron. Why they would have continued to throw the ball vs the Jets was baffling..

[Emperor Smeat]

I think someone from ESPN during the preseason or at least before the blowout win against the Steelers had hinted the Ravens were considering dumping or trading Flaco after this season if he had another average or bad year.

Can't remember the exact details but it had to do with them feeling either he had plateaued and wouldn't get any better like Alex Smith on the 49ers or the defense side was complaining the offense was basically "wasting" their window of opportunity while the team still had a quality defense.

[FearedSanctity]

And for comparisons sake, lets look at the Raven's stats in the 3 playoff losses:

2008 Conference vs Steelers (14-23)
Flacco - 13/30 141yds 0 TD 3 INTs
McGahee - 60yds 2 TDs
Defense - 4 sacks, 1 FF, 307 total yds allowed

2009 Division vs Colts (3-20)
Flacco - 20/35 189yds 0 TDs 2 INTs
Rice - 67yds
Defense - 1 INT, 2 sacks, 288 total yards allowed

2010 Division vs Pittsburgh (24-31)
Flacco - 16/30 125yds 1 TD 1 INT
Rice - 32yds 1 TD
Defense - 6 sacks, 2 FF, 297 total yards allowed


He's such a great QB he still can't win even when the defense is just average

[Hanso Amore]

And for comparisons sake, lets look at the Raven's stats in the 3 playoff losses:

2008 Conference vs Steelers (14-23)
Flacco - 13/30 141yds 0 TD 3 INTs
McGahee - 60yds 2 TDs
Defense - 4 sacks, 1 FF, 307 total yds allowed

2009 Division vs Colts (3-20)
Flacco - 20/35 189yds 0 TDs 2 INTs
Rice - 67yds
Defense - 1 INT, 2 sacks, 288 total yards allowed

2010 Division vs Pittsburgh (24-31)
Flacco - 16/30 125yds 1 TD 1 INT
Rice - 32yds 1 TD
Defense - 6 sacks, 2 FF, 297 total yards allowed


He's such a great QB he still can't win even when the defense is just average

Thats still better than average....

[Hanso Amore]

Just give up Droford. You are wrong and are just going to keep fighting this battle to try to make yourself seem right in your own flawed logic. And you are going to be proven wrong, again and again, just like every day of your life.

Just walk away.

[FearedSanctity]

Thats still better than average....

True, and I wasn't even considering how insanely low those total yards allowed are given how often Flacco was just handing the ball over. 6 INTs and a lost fumble and yet only ONE game where they allowed over 300 yards? Come on

[Hanso Amore]

I cant remember a time in recent years the bills had 6 sacks in 3 games total, let alone 1!

[Droford]

Last years Pittsburgh game is the toughest of those 3 games cause they had the game in hand at the half and pretty much gave it away in the 2nd half and I'll attribute it to being in Pittsburgh. It went to the point for this year that they needed to do whatever it is they had to do to win the Division so that they'd get home playoff games were they have the best record in football since 2008 (21-5 vs 14-12 on the road).

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You heard it hear first. Droford thinks the Ravens are soft on the road.

Overrated? Sure sounds like it. According to Droford at least.

[screech]

Droford, you are making me embarrassed to be a Ravens fan right now.

[McLegend]

You should all ready be embarassed to be a Ravens fan since you are from Philadelphia.

[Droford]

Droford, you are making me embarrassed to be a Ravens fan right now.
you should share some of your opinions! Would Flacco have more impressive numbers if the Ravens had more than 1 decent WR and a more competent Offensive Coordinator? Isn't it amazing he managed 3600 yards the last two years with the WR's he had? Am I wrong to be angry that an .800 team at home is barely .500 on the road?

If Flacco had the WRs that Manning has, he has the arm to throw for as many yards and TDs as Manning does..whether or not Cameron would utilize them right is another story (probably not)..

[CSL]

amazing indeed, Anquan Boldin and Derrick Mason are completely worthless. Peyton would be lucky to throw for 3500 yards with those bums

[Droford]

amazing indeed, Anquan Boldin and Derrick Mason are completely worthless. Peyton would be lucky to throw for 3500 yards with those bums

Only had Boldin last year and Ray Rice (63 for 556) almost had more catches than he did (64 for 837). In 09 Rice had more catches (78 for 702) than Mason (73 for 1028).

Ray Rice is a RB, and while its nice to have a recieving threat in the bacfield, they shouldn't be the best reciever on the team, but he pretty much has been for the last two years.

[screech]

I already have shared my opinions.

[screech]

You should all ready be embarassed to be a Ravens fan since you are from Philadelphia.

I'll admit I'm not a huge football fan, so when I started actually watching when I was younger, I didn't really have a team. My friend who got me into it is a Ravens fan, so I watched who he watched. I liked what I saw & stuck with it. Plus I was a big fan of Trent Dilfer because of Madden 99.

I don't see the problem.

Is it because I'm not ignorant & fickle like 90% of Eagles fans are?

[Nark Order]

go 9ers...

[Skippord]

screech deserves credit for being a Trent Dilfer fan

[Nark Order]

So, Skippord... I haven't been paying tons of attention. Why is there such a movement to get Tebow starting? Does everyone actually think he's going to tear it up or do they just want him because he portrays a better image and everyone hates Orton?

[McLegend]

I'll admit I'm not a huge football fan, so when I started actually watching when I was younger, I didn't really have a team. My friend who got me into it is a Ravens fan, so I watched who he watched. I liked what I saw & stuck with it. Plus I was a big fan of Trent Dilfer because of Madden 99.

I don't see the problem.

Is it because I'm not ignorant & fickle like 90% of Eagles fans are?

Screech, I like you, but you a fraud. This is America you have every right to be a fraud. If you are happy with it then I am happy for you.

[McLegend]

Trent Dilfer is a great human being.

[Nark Order]

DREAM TEAM losing to my 49ers. You guys are alright.

[McLegend]

In Vince Young's defense... How was he suppose to know the Eagles had maybe the worst linebacking core in the history of football.

[Nark Order]

I don't expect to win the next two games. Consider that your payback. Ugh.

[screech]

Screech, I like you, but you a fraud. This is America you have every right to be a fraud. If you are happy with it then I am happy for you.

I don't get how I'm a fraud just because I don't follow ONE team in my hometown. I didn't grow up an Eagles fan, I'm not going to magically become one.

I love when I get this argument, though. No one can ever explain why. It's always "How can you not be an Eagles fan?" It's pretty easy, really.

[FearedSanctity]

So, Skippord... I haven't been paying tons of attention. Why is there such a movement to get Tebow starting? Does everyone actually think he's going to tear it up or do they just want him because he portrays a better image and everyone hates Orton?

Orton and Quinn arent under contract for next year, Tebow is. Orton was named starter because, as repeated constantly by John Fox, he offers the team the "best chance to win", but the team is NOT winning.

So if Orton is for all intents and purposes gone after this season and the team is losing and likely won't even sniff a division lead, why the fuck is the young exciting QB siting on the bench? He may not be the best QB but at least he's something new and different. You can only watch Orton crumble under pressure and fold over into sacks so many times before any back up starts to look good, let alone a guy like Tebow

[screech]

The only thing I can definitively say about Tim Tebow is that he lit it up when I played with the Broncos in Madden.

That's enough of a reason to start him for me.

[McLegend]

You can't not cheer for The Eagles and then cheer for the Phillies. Especially when one of those reasons is because you hate Eagles fan and you are from the same town as Eagles fans who also are Phillies fans. It's a violation.

It's not life and death you don't have to get mad. You just gotta roll with the punches... That's all.

*Quick edit *

Screech, if you don't see this edit before your next post my apolgies.

I'm pretty sure you are a Phillies fan, but if you aren't... I know you have stated you don't like Eagles fans so my point still stands if you are in fact not a Phillies fan.

[McLegend]

I don't get why Tebow doesn't at least play in like a wildcat like formation. At least make defenses prepare for something else.

It does kind of seem spiteful not to play him.

[screech]

I'm not mad, I'm just confused. In my experience Eagles fans are more annoying, simple and short-sighted than Phillies fans.

I spurn those Phillies fans who exhibit the same behavior, but I do that to any fans. Can't stand it.

[screech]

You can't not cheer for The Eagles and then cheer for the Phillies.

Don't understand why this has to be true other than "because I say so" or "because it's what I do."

It really is okay to like different teams.

[FearedSanctity]

I don't get why Tebow doesn't at least play in like a wildcat like formation. At least make defenses prepare for something else.

It does kind of seem spiteful not to play him.

Agreed. I think what pisses most Tebow supporters off most is Fox straight up lying about the competition being open from the beginning. It was supposed to be even between Orton, Tebow and Quinn yet Orton went from almost gone the day before training camp opened to getting exclusive time with the starters on the first day. Quinn and Tebow at no point got ANY time with the starters. Games or practice, nothing.

Yet fans are seriously supposed to by into "well we had an open competition and Kyle won"? Orton got to look good in practice throwing to guys like Eddie Royal, Brandon Lloyd and Eric (Fucking) Decker. Quinn had Royal/Decker, Matt Willis and Eron Riley. Tim had Matt Willis, Eron Riley, D'Andre Goodwin, Jamel Hamler. Not exactly a group you can shine with and far from fair. Yet Tim still outperformed Quinn in the preseason

[screech]

I've never liked the Eagles (not just because of the majority of their fans - that came later), but I've been a Phillies fan my whole life. Probably has a lot to do with it.

[screech]

I like that you call him Eric Fucking Decker.

I may add him to my fantasy team just on that.

[FearedSanctity]

Last year was Brandon Lloyd's year to have the title, now it's Decker's time to shine. Him being available in any league is a travesty. Dude just scores touchdowns

[Skippord]

love you FS, my answer was not going to be very good

[screech]

Thinking of dropping Austin Collie to grab him. Need some advice on this STAT

Never been very good at fantasy football.

[Skippord]

Decker is better than Collie

[FearedSanctity]

Decker is everything I wish I could be

PS. How the shit do I embed YouTube videos?

[Emperor Smeat]

I don't get why Tebow doesn't at least play in like a wildcat like formation. At least make defenses prepare for something else.

It does kind of seem spiteful not to play him.

Does Denver even have the right players to pull the formation off well like how Miami had Ronnie Brown and a few others to do the trick plays?

It probably would work a few times but then other teams will start to anticipate the plays if he's only brought in for them.


Decker is everything I wish I could be

PS. How the shit do I embed YouTube videos?

If the video is embedable it should show up as an option after clicking the share button.

[Skippord]

I think you like click on the word share under the video and then there's the embed code as one of the options that comes up.

[FearedSanctity]

Well yeah I got that, but anytime I put a video in a post it just shows up blank

[Skippord]

it might be the WYSIWYG thing in your User CP is on the wrong setting

I think that's caused problems for people in the past

[FearedSanctity]

No luck :'(

[Skippord]

:'(

[Hanso Amore]

Only had Boldin last year and Ray Rice (63 for 556) almost had more catches than he did (64 for 837). In 09 Rice had more catches (78 for 702) than Mason (73 for 1028).

Ray Rice is a RB, and while its nice to have a recieving threat in the bacfield, they shouldn't be the best reciever on the team, but he pretty much has been for the last two years.

Boldin was a perrenial 1000 yard WR and goes to Balt and drops off. But dont blame Flacco for it. Its HIS fault Flacco is dumping it off to Rice over and over and its Boldins fault for all of Flaccos short comings.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's implied every time Fox talks or the Broncos players defend Orton, but I really wish Fox would just come out and say "Look guys, Tebow is TERRIBLE. He's so bad. Way worse than Orton. I'm not putting a guy who can't throw into the game. Get over it."

But he's too nice about it, and Broncos fans are shitting all over him.

[Ermaximus]

Decker starting over Andre 3000 Johnson. Say it ain't so? Yes it is. Wallace, Decker, and the Panthers Steve Smith. Light em up boys.

[screech]

I have dropped Austin Collie and added Eric (Fucking) Decker.

I am still projected to lose, but maybe I'll at least score more points.

[Innovator]

http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/2011/10/reigniting-rivalry.html

Cooley made me a fan of his.

[CSL]

am I the only person, having just read the transcript of what Favre actually said about Rodgers, that thinks it's pretty much fuck all only for it to be blown up by a media that love a Favre story or am I missing something?

[RoXer]

no

[RP]

am I the only person, having just read the transcript of what Favre actually said about Rodgers, that thinks it's pretty much fuck all only for it to be blown up by a media that love a Favre story or am I missing something?

Thought the same thing.

[Innovator]

Al Davis is dead.

[RP]

Al Davis is dead.

Really? Wow

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Shit.</font>

[RoXer]

Finally, a lot of people I know can root for the Raiders.

[RoXer]

"I'll never be a Raiders fan as long as Al Davis is in charge."

I hear a lot of that.

[DrA]

RIP

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/al_davis_obit_040711_CP.jpg

[CSL]

that's some pretty bad work for something on the NFL's homepage

[Testicle]

Well they will get a second chance to make a good one after this coming Monday, WHEN THE LIONS WILL MURDER JAY CULTER! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LIONS!

Random thought: If you think that Tebow should play over Orton, you should be put down.

[Hanso Amore]

Al Davis and Ralph Wilson, Two AFL owners, two guys that had success long ago, both missed the teams home opener for the first time ever this year. I think Ralph is on the way out as well.

Both were huge in forming the AFL, and making the NFL what it is today. A Billion dollar industry.

The problem is the league passed them both by about 25 years ago and they soon became jokes as owners. Guys that invested 50 grand into forming a league and now have 800+ million dollar teams. They are just out of place in today's game.

Hence Al Davis' "THROW THE BALL DEEP TO FAST RECEIVERS AND HAVE A MEAN DEFENSE" mentality that worked in the 70s.

[Hanso Amore]

Think about this. All Head Coaches and alot of Coordinators make more PER GAME than Ralph and Al invested to buy into the AFL...

[DaveBrawl]

Random thought: If you think that Tebow should play over Orton, you should be put down.

Well that settles that debate.

[FearedSanctity]

Random thought: If you think that Tebow should play over Orton, you should be put down.

Would love to know your reasoning for why a rebuilding team shouldn't be playing the young prospect QB instead of the average at best lame duck QB

[FearedSanctity]

The QB that offers the team "the best chance to win" arguably single handedly lost two games so far this year. That ridiculous fumble when Fells could walk into the endzone vs Oakland, and that retarded ass pass that was so low if the DL didn't tip it the OL was gonna get nailed in the head INT vs Tennessee.

Or how about I just throw up some stats courtesy of MaxBroncos:

46.2: Kyle Orton’s quarterback rating the last two years on possessions that began in the last 10 minutes of regulation when trailing by eight points or less.

The series that ended in a tipped Will Witherspoon interception with 1:39 remaining in the game was the 11th that Orton and the Broncos have faced in in that scenario since Week 1 of the 2010 season. From these 11 possessions, the Broncos have scored just once: last year in Week 4 at Tennessee, when Orton hit Correll Buckhalter for a game-winning, 6-yard touchdown two plays after a 49-yard pass-interference penalty put the Broncos into first-and-goal.

Orton’s raw statistics in this scenario the last two years are as follows:

Completions-attempts: 22-of-46
Yards: 267
Completion percentage: 47.8
Yards per attempt: 5.80
Touchdowns: 1
Rushes-yards: 3 for 12
Yards per carry: 4.0
Sacks-yards lost: 5 for 27
Interceptions: 3
Fumbles lost: 1

[Kris P Lettus]

Al Davis did some great things but his legacy will forever be tarnished by his bad decisions over the past decade or so..

RIP anyway..

[RP]

Al Davis did some great things but his legacy will forever be tarnished by his bad decisions over the past decade or so..

RIP anyway..

Lol what?

You know he went to 5 superbowls, won 3 of them? You know this right? I crack up when you people say shit like this. Or when people bad mouth Favre for unretiring a few times, as if he wasnt won of the greatest qb's ever.

If legacy's are built over a lifetime, but only judged based on the last ten years, then what's the point. Seriously.

If you honestly think that Kris, you need to reevaluate the was you look at sports and life.

[Kris P Lettus]

He is the reason for unproven players like Jamarcus Russel making more than other proven QB's like Brees, Rodgers, and Brady and Manning , at the time.. His throwing money at potential talent instead of proven talent is a huge blemish on the NFL.. If you think players like Vick now getting $100 million contracts is a good thing, you are sadly mistaken.. If you also think that is not primarily because of Davis' actions and choices, you are straight up wrong..

[RP]

You're wrong. Bad contacts were being handed out to unproven players long before Jamarcus Russell. You should look up Scott Mitchell, or how bout 2002, Daunte Culpepper and Pearles Price contacts. Have you ever heard of Dan Snyder? Go look up his track record.

The contracts got bigger because the game got wealthier. The bad contracts from the 90's were just as outrageous when you consider that NFL teams back then were barely worth half of what they are worth now, if that.

Honestly, you're wrong.

[RP]

Lol Michael Vick got a 130 million dollar contract before Jamarcus Russell was even in the league. I think he got a monster signing bonus too!

Seriously, move on to the next subject. You're just wrong. Don't be a Droford.

[Kris P Lettus]

Heyward Bay

[Reavant]

Would love to know your reasoning for why a rebuilding team shouldn't be playing the young prospect QB instead of the average at best lame duck QB

the young prospect happens to be a lame duck...

[Kris P Lettus]

It's a passing league, but, as much as I hate Tim Teabag, he did beat Hershal Walkers TD record for all time in the SEC..

That in itself deserves respect..

[Reavant]

Al Davis did some great things but his legacy will forever be tarnished by his bad decisions over the past decade or so..

RIP anyway..

He is the reason for unproven players like Jamarcus Russel making more than other proven QB's like Brees, Rodgers, and Brady and Manning , at the time.. His throwing money at potential talent instead of proven talent is a huge blemish on the NFL.. If you think players like Vick now getting $100 million contracts is a good thing, you are sadly mistaken.. If you also think that is not primarily because of Davis' actions and choices, you are straight up wrong..

seriously krisp, you can say the same shit about every owner/gm out there.

Jerry Jones? instead of throwing money and new unproven talent, he throws it at used up talent and stadiums that might be sentient life forms. On top of keeping so much control of the team that he fucks with his head coach...

Even the owners of the steelers... they have been great in the last 5-6 years but what about through the 90s (outside of one superbowl appearance) and early part of this decade. Look at the stupid shit they were doing with cordel stewart and what not.

[Reavant]

It's a passing league, but, as much as I hate Tim Teabag, he did beat Hershal Walkers TD record for all time in the SEC..

That in itself deserves respect..

yes it deserves respect in college football... by the way you realize hershal walker is a running back not a passer. He also didnt have the ball every play of the game.

ALSO SEC wasnt always the big time conference with the ncaa records. He beat an old record from his conference, not an ncaa record.

[Reavant]

lol and listen to you....

we should respect tebow for what hes done in the past...


al davis did some good things but he tarnished the league lately rip anyways.... WHAT?

[Kris P Lettus]

Teabow hasn't done anything "bad" in the NFL.. He even came in and had that big comeback win at the end of last season..

I just hate him cause I'm an Ole Miss fan and it's ingrained in my blood to hate Florida and LSU..

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>My #2 running back situation is so dire in one of the TPWW leagues that I have Mike Goodson starting and I'm hoping the Saints score a ton so that I can rack up return yardage points.</font>

[Reavant]

He had a comeback win against the houston texans who lost three strait before that aaaand it was the end of the season.

[Kris P Lettus]

Patrick Robinson, WHAT??

[Innovator]

Time for the Giants to make Tavaris Jackson look Pro Bowl worthy

[Innovator]

HOLY FUCK THAT WAS CLEAN

[Kris P Lettus]

You Giants fans are ridiculous..

"WORST 3-1 TEAM EVER!!:sadclown:!!11

[Innovator]

You Giants fans are ridiculous..

"WORST 3-1 TEAM EVER!!:sadclown:!!11
As I typed that Tavaris drove the team down the field, only missing one pass. TAVARIS JACKSON

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL

Still, Eli is a winner..

[Innovator]

I'm an Eli fan, but he can't help the defense.

[Innovator]

I want to see a fight between Ed Hochuli and Mario Yamasaki.

[Innovator]

Ballard! Giants love their big white TEs.

[Kris P Lettus]

Sproles is my new favorite player, just to let you guys know..

[Kris P Lettus]

Ballard! Giants love their big white TEs.

You love big pink bellends..

[Kris P Lettus]

DOWN BY CONTACT

[Londoner]

buffalo touchdown, good game so far.

[Innovator]

You love big pink bellends..
WAR KRISPY

[Kris P Lettus]

:love:

[RP]

Todd Haley's hat

[Nark Order]

Wish I could see the Buffalo game. Stuck watching the Raiders.

[Nark Order]

Got a bad feeling about the 49ers/Bucs game today but it could just be gas. Apparently Gore is going to play most of the game, but I wouldn't mind them giving some prime minutes to Kendall Hunter.

[CSL]

classy move from Roman Harper hitting Steve Smith half an hour after he gets into the endzone

[RP]

Todd Haley's hat looks like it was in a circle jerk

[RP]

Boiler up!

[Nark Order]

Sebastian Janikowski being a dickhead again. 55 yarder looking easy for that fuck. This guy.

[Kris P Lettus]

classy move from Roman Harper hitting Steve Smith half an hour after he gets into the endzone

*One step in the endzone

[Nark Order]

Whoa, just saw the Roman Harper late hit. Calm the fuck down, guy.

[Nark Order]

Krispy, come on now. It was fairly apparent that there was no way to stop that touchdown and he blasted the shit out of him anyway. **RED CARD**

[CSL]

*One step in the endzone

lol there is no defense, it was a blatant and calculated late hit. If Steve Smith had wound up hurt from that, there'd be a shitfest

[CSL]

Painter to Garcon > Manning to Harrison

[RP]

The only thing stopping Garcon from breaking the single game yardage record is if the Cheifs tank so much that he gets benched in the fourth quarter.

[Innovator]

Have the Giants heard of press coverage?

[Londoner]

What a TD for buffalo!

[Londoner]

and another fucking hell

[Nark Order]

DREAM TEAM!!! DREAM TEAM!!!

[Kris P Lettus]

MARK "Beast Mode Activated" INGRAM

[Innovator]

YOU DOWN WITH JPP?

[Nark Order]

So, have we decided that Roman Harper was just being a dickhead there then?

[RP]

If Painter keeps this up, I might be changing my sig and avatar tonight.

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints D always hit late and talk shit.. Comes with having Greg Williams as the D Coor..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, you are acting liking Steve Smith is Mother Teressa..

Didn't he get sent home for fighting at training camp??

[Nark Order]

I'm not acting like Steve Smith is Mother Theresa. I'm acting like Roman Harper smashed the shit out of him with an unnecessary late hit.

[Innovator]

Holy shit, this is ridiculous

[FearedSanctity]

All Pro Curtis Painter

[Nark Order]

Heyward-Bay, son!

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm not acting like Steve Smith is Mother Theresa. I'm acting like Roman Harper smashed the shit out of him with an unnecessary late hit.

Happens every game..

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[Innovator]

Defense woke up, but offense is in a coma.

[RP]

Cassel vs Painter- The Duel

[FearedSanctity]

Gonna cut Kolb so fucking hard after this week. 2 weeks in a row he's gonna cost me a win

[Nark Order]

It's fine anyhow, Steve Smith got a bit of revenge. Looked like he was well on his way to kicking the shit of out somebody.

[Innovator]

New York Nicks! Tie Game

[Nark Order]

NFC West looking pathetic like always. Good news for the 9ers. As long as the Cardinals and Seahawks keep getting stomped, it's all good stuff. Still early but I got faith son.

[Innovator]

Arm tackles galore

[Innovator]

Clipboard Jesus is in!

[RP]

Dwayne Bowe just had the catch of the season.

[RP]

Clipboard Jesus is in!

The Sorg?

[Kris P Lettus]

Yes We Cam

[Innovator]

The Sorg?
Mr. Charles Whitehurst.

[Innovator]

Safety by Seattle, O-line is having an atrocious day.

[Nark Order]

Still biting my fingernails for this 49ers/Bucs game. I'm not completely broken spirited, as there are some ways that we can be effective. Alex Smith is actually a fairly good red zone QB and he's also excellent against the blitz. Getting into the red zone is the problem. 49ers offense will probably be able to handle the Tampa D (maybe), but their O line will probably tear us a new one.

Hope that Alex gets tossed into situations that he's good at handling. Wish we had a QB that was better in more than just 2 or 3 areas though.

[Nark Order]

HOLY FUCK. Alex Smith is actually an INCREDIBLE red zone QB now that I look at his stats. He's just horrible otherwise.

Season Att (http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=120739&page=3#) Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate

2005 4 4 100.0 25 6.2 14 1 0 1 25.0 0 1 132.3

2006 57 28 49.1 162 2.8 16 9 1 13 22.8 0 2 87.8

2007 20 7 35.0 47 2.4 12 1 0 3 15.0 0 0 60.4

2008 INJURED

2009 43 23 53.5 142 3.3 14 10 0 12 27.9 0 1 100.0

2010 42 30 71.4 177 4.2 17 9 0 11 26.2 0 1 118.8

2011 12 7 58.3 39 3.2 12 2 0 2 16.7 0 3 103.8


61,2% completions for 32 TDs and 1 INT for a QB rating of 100.5 in the RZ


That's almost HOF-ish

[RP]

....

[Emperor Smeat]

Does SF even rush that much for TDs once they get in the Red Zone?

I know Gore gets it a lot when its # and Goal but SF seems to pass a lot once they get inside the 20?


Got burned badly by picking Tennessee over Pittsburgh after listening to ESPN saying Steelers have offensive problems and Johnson was supposed to have his "breakout" game.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, I know. I'll refrain from using Alex Smith and HOF in the same sentence ever again. I got carried away.

[Nark Order]

Does SF even rush that much for TDs once they get in the Red Zone?

I know Gore gets it a lot when its # and Goal but SF seems to pass a lot once they get inside the 20?


Got burned badly by picking Tennessee over Pittsburgh after listening to ESPN saying Steelers have offensive problems and Johnson was supposed to have his "breakout" game.

Unfortunately most of our redzone offense can be summed up with the phrase "settling for 3."

[Innovator]

DEON WRAP THE FUCK UP

[FearedSanctity]

Clots

[FearedSanctity]

Painters gonna paint

[RP]

I wonder what county Luck will purchase his home in.

[FearedSanctity]

Paint(er) Whisperer

[Kris P Lettus]

D needs a stop here..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Red Rocket blasts off to another Bengals victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kris P Lettus]

INCOMPLETE PASS

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/192118/daltonhelmethair.jpg

[RP]

The Colts just refused to lose today. Everyone chipped in. They stayed focused on the goal and they are well on there way to achieving it. Go Colts!

[RP]

The Cheifs have nothing to be disappointed about here. They tried hard, but at the end of the day, the Colts were just the better losers.

[Kris P Lettus]

Roman Harper should be ashamed of that pass interference call not the late hit..

[Emperor Smeat]

Wow Eagles actually fell for the 4th and 1 offside trick.

[FearedSanctity]

Welcome to what's likely to be the worst home game of Orton's life

[Kris P Lettus]

OMG

5 seconds to go

Carolina ball on their own 49 yard line

Score Saints 30 Carolina 27

STOP CALLING TIMEOUTS

[Kris P Lettus]

JABARI GREER WITH THE SWATTED HAIL MARY TO END THE GAME

SAINTS WIN

[Nark Order]

Delany Walker!

[Kris P Lettus]

woooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Patriots jerseys are siiiiiiiiiiiiiccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

gonna root for them today

[Nark Order]

Alex Smith may decide to be a quarterback today.

[DrA]

The Eagles, Saints, Colts, and Giants are such worthless teams.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hey guys my name is Narcissus and I have serious reservations about San Francisco 49ers starting quarterback Alex Smith.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hey guys my name is Narcissus and I have serious reservations about San Francisco 49ers starting quarterback Alex Smith.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hey guys my name is Narcissus and I have serious reservations about San Francisco 49ers starting quarterback Alex Smith.