Official Raw Thread For 9/12/11 - Nobody Wants To Make A Raw Thread

[Cool King]

It's about two hours before Raw begins and there's no sign of a thread for it. :?:

Usually there is by now, but anyway....

TPWW Chat: http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109788

[Cool King]

There's a "Face-Off" tonight between Punk and Triple H.

[JimmyMess]

Which one is Travolta?

[JimmyMess]

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[St. Jimmy]

Lots of Pudsnatchers doing this tonight:
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[Corporate CockSnogger]

Was going to pack in watching Raw live because I was getting sick of the constant adverts, but I'm not tired at all yet so if I don't start getting tired soon I guess I'll be watching.

[TheFallenOneX]

IF anyone is watching MNF did you notice ESPN was using RVD's ECW Theme when introducing the starting line ups

[TheChairman]

This Raw is going to score very low in the ratings scale tonight. That is the only thing that is for sure. With two football games, back to back, and if the Dolphin/Pats game is close all the way through, you can kiss the 3.0 scale goodbye.


Oh and btw, CM Punk is ruined for me. Poor booking completely killed his momentum. It is a shame.

[Blakeamus]

Poor booking? Explain?

[TheChairman]

The thing with Nash was ridiculous, and they are blowing their load with HHH/Punk way to early.

[Corndad]

The thing with Nash was ridiculous, and they are blowing their load with HHH/Punk way to early.

I was with you about blowing the load this soon off the bat but the more I think about it, I changed my mind. I want to see where it goes. I think Nash will still be involved but it's best for Punk to keep the 5 star matches on PPVs coming. It builds him up even more. Imagine if Punk does go over. Wow. Interesting ways to go can come out of that easily.

[Xerzes]

He should go over, certainly. I still doubt he will. And I also doubt that if he goes over it will be by anything but stupid bullshit designed to make him look bad.

[Blakeamus]

Not really. CM Punk is still on FIRE. With the title or not. I was iffy of a Nash/Punk feud but it would of been interesting seeing them in match against each other. Anywho, the seeds have been planted. I find that everything they are doing is for GOOD reason. Watching HHH/Punk go down this early to me is great with NOC revealing all the questions and continuing on. Sit back and enjoy the ride. :D

[Blakeamus]

If HHH finishes Punk with a pedigree and waits to cover him after 30 seconds to make the pin, then you can declare that his momentum is ruined.

[TheChairman]

Punk better go over, if he doesn't, whatever momentum he had left is gone. I never liked Punk, he is the wrong guy for this gimmick. He isn't big enough to go up to Nash or HHH and say he s going to kick their teeth down their throats. The guy is about the same thickness of one of their quads.

[Blakeamus]

Who would of been better for this "gimmick"?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Bloody hell.

[TheChairman]

Orton for one, I'm sure he could have spilled some "pipe bombs" on HHH. Honestly, anyone could have if they were told here take the mic and spill some dirt on the boss. Hell Cena being "this guy" would have been 10x as awesome.

[Blakeamus]

:wtf:

[TheChairman]

Honestly, what has punk said that Orton or Cena couldn't have said as well? Stephanie wears the pants, Hunter needs to ask for permission... ect ect.. Anyone could have grabbed a miicrophone and sad those things.

[Blakeamus]

Oh yeah...Cena would of been 10x more awesome...I can just hear him grab the microphone and call out Triple H with poopy jokes...

[Corporate CockSnogger]

This chairman guy's a bit spesh. Bless him.

[TheChairman]

Oh yeah...Cena would of been 10x more awesome...I can just hear him grab the microphone and call out Triple H with poopy jokes...


He delivers his promo's like that because he is told to do it that way. If you think he couldn't rip it up on the microphone if given the go ahead, you got another thing coming.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Honestly, nothing against Cena or Orton, but if you think either of them could have played the role Punk did then you should probably just stop watching wrestling. Or at least stop trying to discuss it.

[TheChairman]

Honestly, nothing against Cena or Orton, but if you think either of them could have played the role Punk did then you should probably just stop watching wrestling. Or at least stop trying to discuss it.

What makes you say that?

[Blakeamus]

It works for CM Punk. End of Story.

[TheChairman]

It works for CM Punk. End of Story.

I'm trying to have a discussion with you, so can you please explain why it wouldn't have worked for Cena or Orton?

[Blakeamus]

He delivers his promo's like that because he is told to do it that way. If you think he couldn't rip it up on the microphone if given the go ahead, you got another thing coming.

HHH IS POOPY!

[Blakeamus]

I could explain it...but I believe that it wouldn't sink in.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

What makes you say that?

Plenty of reasons, the first one being that they used the fact that Punks contract was running out (and that it was common knowledge to a lot of fans) to build suspense to the point where nobody was sure what was going to happen if he won the title at MitB. That was the main aspect of the story that made the entire thing so exciting to watch and built up all the anticipation for each episode to see how it would turn out.

Could go on with more reasons but I think that one will suffice.

[Blakeamus]

My advice to you is go back to that promo CM Punk gave that was heard around the world...and tell me if Cena and Orton could relate to what was fustrating CM Punk...and hopefully you will see that Cena and Orton wouldn't of fit in that gimmick.

[TheChairman]

Are you resorting to insults? Really? Really?

[Blakeamus]

What?

[TheChairman]

Plenty of reasons, the first one being that they used the fact that Punks contract was running out (and that it was common knowledge to a lot of fans) to build suspense to the point where nobody was sure what was going to happen if he won the title at MitB. That was the main aspect of the story that made the entire thing so exciting to watch and built up all the anticipation for each episode to see how it would turn out.

Could go on with more reasons but I think that one will suffice.


Good point, however, have the ratings shown a significant change since this has happened? If they have, then he was the right man for the job, if they haven't maybe he isn't capable of being "that guy." With NOC being 6 days away and this being the last Raw, I think the ratings for this show are very important, and will tell the real story.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I don't know how the ratings have been affected and I don't particularly care. I've been enjoying the product as of late so that's me satisfied.

[TheChairman]

Yes but at some point, you have to care about the state of the business, which to me,isn't very good unfortunately. I love this business and want it to succeed.

[Blakeamus]

So you are saying that the ratings would be better if it were Orton or Cena?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Well I don't see how having anybody else in Punks position in this storyline would have helped the business in any way, which is how this discussion started. If you're just talking about the state of the business in general then that's an entirely different discussion really.

[Blakeamus]

It created a big buzz for sure and made RAW interesting the past few months...could give a two shits about ratings. Just wish people would stop thinking if RAW didn't have more than a 3.0 rating, it was the shits. And it hasn't been.

[TheChairman]

Well ok back to the CM Punk thing, he isn't believable, I wish they would have kept him playing the mind games instead of trying to be the tough guy. Like come on, if you seen Punk and Nash or HHH standing beside each other, you would give him a 2% chance of landing a punch before he got his head ripped off. I am just saying, don't have him come out acting all tough, and saying he will kick their teeth down their throats, but instead, act like he did before. That role fit him, not this tough guy act.

[TheChairman]

Well I am off, got the 15 min delay in Canada and don't want spoilers.

[ClockShot]

ALBERTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[VSG]

Ok whose sock is this Chairdude? 'fess up!

[Aguakate]

SOY EL MAS GRANDE, ENTRE TODOS LOS GRANDES!

LOL

[Corndad]

The Hitman is in the house

[ClockShot]

The Hitman with his contractual monthly appearance.

[Innovator]

BREEEEEEEEEEET

/little kid in the hallway

[Aguakate]

Bret Hart looks good.

His shorts don't mix well at all with the jacket, but...

[ClockShot]

Bret got his titles crossed.

[ClockShot]

Did he say stubstance?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

stubstance

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Bret is starting to look a bit like John Ritter.

[Aguakate]

Alberto Del Rio: "You look like a homeless person".

...ok.

[el bobbo]

Sup ya'll?

You think Cena's gonna overcome the odds tonight?

[JimmyMess]

I laughed at the "bump" and homeless person lines. It was just funny for no reason

[el bobbo]

Haha, jalapenos... no

[Aguakate]

John Cena just repeats the same putdowns over and over...it's irritating.

[el bobbo]

I do want to see that match.

[ClockShot]

Betcha Ricky could kick Cena's ass.

[ClockShot]

C'mon Cena. Is the 18-39 demographic oblivious to you.

Johnny Ace with the save.

[Aguakate]

Haha this guy's voice is NOT made for tv.

[Skippord]

lol god I love Cena's Super Dave impression

[Crimson]

lol wow The Hitman and Rodriguez on the same level for the tag match

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Why would Bret be happy? He just lost a WWE Title shot.</font>

[Skippord]

Punk and Triple H are going to talk!

again

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Punk and Triple H are going to talk!

again

I'm quite fine with that really. Wouldn't mind them getting a whacky sitcom.

[Aguakate]

The only thing that sucks about Bret Hart wrestling tonight is he'll do so while wearing those horrible pants he's got on.

Why can't he get in shape and wear the tights ONE MORE TIME?!

[Skippord]

I'm quite fine with that really. Wouldn't mind them getting a whacky sitcom.
Triple H and Laurinaitis as a plucky gay couple with CM Punk as their child's outspoken sassy nanny

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Why would Bret be happy? He just lost a WWE Title shot.</font>

Because it will no longer be his destiny to get his ass kicked by Del Rio tonight :shifty:

[Aguakate]

Punk and Triple H are going to talk!

again

If Triple H is in "heel mode" while debating with Punk, it's gonna be awesome.

[Juan]

Aguakate with the fashion tips

[ClockShot]

The only thing that sucks about Bret Hart wrestling tonight is he'll do so while wearing those horrible pants he's got on.

Why can't he get in shape and wear the tights ONE MORE TIME?!

He got into a bad wreck and suffered a stroke.

He's all done. The only thing he'll do tonight is put Ricardo in the sharpshooter and win the match. You watch.

[Blakeamus]

This is going to be good.

[blak23]

cm punk is the next corp champ

[whitehead12]

I guess its mandatory if ur not n the main event scene ur the new tag team division

[ClockShot]

Riley with a sorta kinda TKO. Nice.

[Aguakate]

Aguakate with the fashion tips

Where did I give out fashion tips, Johnny? I just said those pants look horrible. Especially when they don't match at all with the jacket.

AND, I'd like to see him in tights again.

[ClockShot]

I like Miz and Truth holding the titles. Kinda a step up from Kofi/Bourne.

[Cool King]

I'd like to see Swagger become US Champion on Sunday.

[Skippord]

Truth and Miz need a neat tag team name like Air Boom

[Aguakate]

"NINJA, PLEASE!"

[ClockShot]

Truth and Miz need a neat tag team name like Air Boom

The Awesome Truth.

[whitehead12]

THE AWESOME TRUTH

[Skippord]

I was thinking Ground Boom

[dhellova guy]

I really think that the Miz and R-Truth are my 2 favorite wrestlers right now

[Innovator]

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[Innovator]

I was thinking Ground Boom

Boourns

[Cool King]

I'm 100% sure the name "Air Boom" will never grow on me.

[whitehead12]

If r truth and mid don't win the titles the tag team division is wasted

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Should've given Bourne a hedgehog gimmick and called them Sonic Boom.

[Cool King]

Should've given Bourne a hedgehog gimmick and called them Sonic Boom.

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[dhellova guy]

Alex: "Its what happens when you shit your pants on an airplane"

Contestant: "What is an Air Boom?"

[ClockShot]

Jerry's mystery partner going to be Ryder again?

[mike adamle]

Really wish this King storyline lead to him bringing in the Kings of Wrestling

[Cool King]

Personally, I would have preferred it if Riley and Morrison weren't in the US Title match.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I'm thinking it'll be someone from Smackdown. Ezekial Jackson maybe.

[Aguakate]

Jerry's mystery partner going to be Ryder again?

For some reason I'd like to see Bret Hart team up with Lawler. HE WON'T, but...

[Beth Phoenix Fan]

Jerry's mystery partner going to be Ryder again?

or maybe

canada's own.............Y2J CHRIS JERICHO!

[blak23]

WWWYKI

[Blakeamus]

No Bro Hat this WEEK!?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

No hat :(

[blak23]

I was born with personality

[Aguakate]

SHEAMUS!

Hahahaha AWESOME!

[ClockShot]

TOO MANY LIMES! TOO MANY LIMES!

[el bobbo]

cock-tease

[Skippord]

Sheamus is maybe my favorite non CM Punk wrestler at the moment

[blak23]

sheamus one of the best songs in the E

[Cool King]

Random Sheamus appearance.

[el bobbo]

Lobster head

[Blakeamus]

I thought maybe it would of been the Sheamoose? :shifty:

[blak23]

I miss the bro hat

[Aguakate]

Why are the Canadian fans NOT behind Sheamus?!

[Innovator]

I bought some Sheamus stock last week.

[Emperor Smeat]

What is with all the scratches and marks on Sheamus back?

[Blakeamus]

This Sheamus turn has really impress me...it doesn't look awkward at all.

[blak23]

I bought some Sheamus stock last week.

howd it taste

[ClockShot]

Never thought I'd see the day Lawler and Sheamus would tag together.

[Skippord]

What is with all the scratches and marks on Sheamus back?
BDSM

[Cool King]

Is Lawler bleeding from the bridge of his nose?

[blak23]

whyes

[blak23]

This DVD wasnt bad actually i enjoyed it

[ClockShot]

The Faceoff is the last thing tonight? I think I'll turn in early.

[Cool King]

So we have two matches left for tonight? :-\

Kelly/Vickie and Del Rio & Ricardo/Cena & Bret?

The Triple H/Punk "Face-Off" must be a long one.

[Blakeamus]

must be

[Blakeamus]

But you have Orton and Cody Rhodes squaring off tonight too

[Cool King]

Wait, the Tag Match is now?

So the main event tonight is Kelly vs Vickie? :wtf:

[Cool King]

But you have Orton and Cody Rhodes squaring off tonight too

Ahhh forgot about that.

It's not all bad now.

[Blakeamus]

Nah

[ClockShot]

You're holding back, Ricardo.

[blak23]

i feel the audienc doesnt care about this match to much

[Blakeamus]

Haha I love that premature drop kick

[Blakeamus]

i feel the audienc doesnt care about this match to much

Because they were actually really amped up for Bret Hart to fight for the WWE title tonight instead.

[Crimson]

lol "throw it back" chant after Cena threw his shirt to the crowd

[Crimson]

wow Bret moves like an old man..wait I guess he is an old man

[ClockShot]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Aguakate]

i feel the audienc doesnt care about this match to much

This crowd is SHIT.

[Blakeamus]

Meh.

[Blakeamus]

I remember watching with goosebumps the whole opening segment..

[blak23]

John Cena = Next Morgan Freeman

[Blakeamus]

I was actually thinking it would of been better if they had Morgan Freeman doing it...like a twinkie...like a twinkie.

[blak23]

I dont see it

[Blakeamus]

Haha, wow...

[Cool King]

I'd like to see a Beth & Natalya appearance.

[el bobbo]

oops

[Blakeamus]

Craptacular!

[Blakeamus]

Another pointless match?

[Loose Cannon]

WWE Network :D

I will pay whatever they want

[el bobbo]

Hugh Jackman? At least it's not the parade of d-listers they shoved down our throats a while back.

[Aguakate]

I'm loving these "special videos" WWE is putting out.

[blak23]

that movie will suck

[blak23]

15 years boys

[Blakeamus]

Chocolate Droppppp!

[Aguakate]

15 years Mark Henry's been with the WWE...

...I remember him in a tug of war against a couple wrestlers (lead by Jerry Lawler, I believe) when he first signed...and he's STILL around.

Dude deserves a run with the Title.

[Cool King]

http://www.jrj-socrates.com/Cartoon%20Pics/Nick%20Toons/Rugrats/Grandpa_Lou_300.gif

"15 Years!"

[Aguakate]

LOL found it!


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[blak23]

good one cole

[Blakeamus]

LOL found it!


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Talkboy commercial! :lol:

[el bobbo]

Why is Orton punchy Cawdy in the face?

[Blakeamus]

Symbolic

[blak23]

good for cody

[Blakeamus]

So that would mean he would be next in line for a title match? Since Beth beat Kelly Kelly and became the new #1 contendar over Eve last week?

[Blakeamus]

Bookings like that confuse me...haha

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Is that the first time Cody has took his mask off since he's had it?

[Cool King]

I'm guessing that this is the beginning of the end of Cody's mask then?

[loopydate]

:lol: @ "Mark Henry is the predator!"

TPWW's been saying that for years!

[Cool King]

Also, if that happened on SmackDown, I would still be in TPWW Survivor Season 2. :(

[Cool King]

Is that the first time Cody has took his mask off since he's had it?

I believe it is.

[loopydate]

Is that the first time Cody has took his mask off since he's had it?

He hit Rey with it at Mania, but then put it right back on.

[blak23]

het took it off against rey at the ppv

[blak23]

He hit Rey with it at Mania, but then put it right back on.

beat me to it

[Blakeamus]

Here we go

[Aguakate]

This should be good.

I've been flicking between RAW and Miss Universe all night long.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Punk to close a Raw is always a good thing.

Although I'm betting Nash comes out and HHH eats a jackknife.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Also, HHH may be interchangeable with Punk in the above scenario. Depends how they want to play it going up to the ppv.

[Blakeamus]

Cutting to the chase it seems

[Emperor Smeat]

:D WWE Ice Cream bar got big pops from the crowd

[What Would Kevin Do?]

And he finally brings up the "CM Punk out popped DX" claim.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Been expecting that for a while now.

[Aguakate]

I love how Triple H says "Business".

[Aguakate]

HAHAHA! Triple H...DAMN!

THAT'S how u do it.

[Crimson]

great I guess Punk is losing now seeing as he got the upper hand here..

[Blakeamus]

Good shit

[Aguakate]

A PUNK-CHOP!

[Loose Cannon]

ahahahaha "Suck "It" awesome end there

[What Would Kevin Do?]

That segment started off weak, but it got hot in the end. Especially at the point HHH got pissed, up through Punk hitting him with the mic. Beautiful.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Pumped for their match.

[Blakeamus]

Liked how pissed CM Punk got when the second mic cut off...lol

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Johnny Ace working the audio controls</font> :cool:

[jkman61494]

If only they actually let this feud build and marinate instead of rushing it out in 2 weeks.

Awesome promo. Should have made their first match the main event of Survivor Series instead of some B-List PPV during an Eagles/Falcons game where Vick returns to Atlanta.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

great I guess Punk is losing now seeing as he got the upper hand here..

Punk will lose, but unclean. There's no way they're going to blow off this feud this early, as a throw away ppv.

[whitehead12]

3rd ppv n a row I have no clue way will happen n a cm punk match

[Aguakate]

<font color=goldenrod>Johnny Ace working the audio controls</font> :cool:

...It's the:

N...W...O

[McLegend]

That was fuckin great. WWE can build up a CM Punk match... I give them that.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yeah, I haven't been expecting Punk to win since they added the stipulation of Triple H losing his job. Definitely won't be clean though and is pretty likely to give us some sort of good twist to give this feud more legs.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Sin Cara Misssssssssstake!

I say Triple H loses and his replacement as COO is Mick Foley. Have a nice day!

[Innovator]

Someone get Funkman away from the production truck.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Some people are fucking dense.

The current storyline calls for Triple H to be screwed over by Nash and Laurinitis at the PPV, thus putting John in Charge and giving Punk a feud vs Nash.

Then, the ANONYMOUS RAW GM RETURNS! (Mick Foley) to clean house and be the voice of reason.

Triple H taking over was meant to be a feeler, to give the audience a taste of what is to come, but it wasn't meant to be for long as they want to keep the attention on Cena vs Rock coming up at Survivor Series and not on Triple H or his conflicts.

Look for this to occur and look for Stephanie, John L, and Mick Foley to have more of a active role in the business operations as Triple H is *recooperating* from the screwover.

[Hanso Amore]

How mnay threads you going to post that in?

[Hanso Amore]

Hot promo though. They hit on alot of IWC issues. I think they are actually kind of playing that card this time around. They dont realize that the Internet can actually mean business and are playing around

[Mr. Pierre]

This NOC card turned out to be really solid on paper with HHH/Punk leading the way. It's obvious to think that Nash will get involved, but it's just a matter of what he does.

Pretty sure though that HHH/Punk are going to end up reluctantly partnering on one team with a couple others involved as they face some sort of team involving Nash/Truth/Miz at Survivor Series.

[MIZantine Empire]

I was thinking Ground Boom
miztruth? u know like miss truth, a play on the conspiracy thoughts

[MIZantine Empire]

Liked how pissed CM Punk got when the second mic cut off...lol
lol ya, u can deff hear him say "are you fucking kidding me" when the second one went out.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Whoever wins, it's not ending clean. Which is fantastic because if this initial match is as good as in my head, they can go again and again.

PUMPED for Sunday.

[Mr. C]

I want Cody Rhodes to go back to the dashing gimmick and hope he brings back Smoke & Mirrors. I enjoyed that match and can’t believe he took his mask off. It’s about time. It’s run its course. He needs to go back to being dashing.

Everything else was kind of crummy or meh. It’s like they wanted people to change the channel.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I want Cody Rhodes to go back to the dashing gimmick and hope he brings back Smoke & Mirrors. I enjoyed that match and can’t believe he took his mask off. It’s about time. It’s run its course. He needs to go back to being dashing.

Everything else was kind of crummy or meh. It’s like they wanted people to change the channel.

I am just the polar opposite. I want Cody to continue with his current gimmick and I loved most things on the show, bar the Divas match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cody Rhodes beating Randy Orton is huge. I like the idea of Rhodes' character evolving. Keep him the psychopathic dude he currently is, but give him progressive goals.

[DaVe]

Interesting to see what happens with Cody.

Mark Henry tonight made me realise I really want to see him win the title finally.

And the final segment was just great.

[Dorkchop]

I was there live and was disappointed that only Kofi got pyro. Also, I think a lot of entrances weren't televised. I was sitting right by Del Rio's car so my stupid face would have been at the opening. I'm sure it pops up every now and then.

- Bret Hart got the biggest pop
- "We want Ryder" when the arena started filling up. Lots of chants during Ryder's match
- When Ryder was in the corner going for the classic 10 punch I started chanting "WOO! WOO! WOO!" Instead of counting 1-2-3, but no one else did. Dang. it'll catch on eventually.
- Mason Ryan vs Primo in a dark match. Mason got some pretty big cheers and the match was actually pretty good
- Del Rio got a full entrance before Raw went on the air then they drove the car back, placed the pyro, then quickly put the pyro back and drove his car back out.
- Truth and Miz worked the crowd during commercial and got a lot of heat, though I think people were booing out of respect. A lot of people seemed to like them.
- Mark Henry kicked a chair off the ramp and it stayed on the floor right by the edge of the stage. I thought they'd pick it up and move it right away.
- Punk hit Earthquake's finisher during the main event dark match. After the match he signed things for a long time.

I haven't seen it on tv yet. Seemed like a decent show. Punk hitting HHH with the mic was awesome.

[Cuse8]

This NOC card turned out to be really solid on paper with HHH/Punk leading the way. It's obvious to think that Nash will get involved, but it's just a matter of what he does.

Pretty sure though that HHH/Punk are going to end up reluctantly partnering on one team with a couple others involved as they face some sort of team involving Nash/Truth/Miz at Survivor Series.

im thinking the exact samething, something along the lines of miz and truth eventually lining themselves with nash

[XCaliber]

I was also at there in person and I was pleasantly suprised that Bret showed mind you I should have been tipped off by the fact that one of his shirts were for sale in the lobby. Anyways I thought it was a good shoe there seemed to be a very mixed crowd when it came to CM Punk I was suprised at how many peeps were booing him at least around my section. It was funny that Cody got almost absolutely no reaction when he came out but when he nailed the CrossRhodes on Orton I was a little shocked that he went over then the boos came out.

[Londoner]

fuck what a great raw. just watched it.:y:

[VSG]

Aye, just watched it myself. I can watch a Punk promo all day I think.

Great move by WWE giving Cody the win too.

[TheChairman]

Last night’s 9/12 WWE Monday Night RAW drew a 2.72 (2.7) cable rating, with 3,856,000 viewers. The first hour did a 2.72 (2.7) and the second did a 2.71 (2.7). The show had big competition with the return of “Monday Night Football” on ESPN. The Patriots/Dolphins game drew a 10.62 (10.6) cable rating, with 14,568,000 million viewers, while the Broncos/Raiders game drew 8.21 (8.2) cable rating with 11,109,000 viewers. The final rating will be released soon.


So.... Does this mean CM Punk is saving Wrestling? I don't think so, I think this shows that wrestling as a business is in trouble.

[Anybody Thrilla]

No. This happens every football season.

[TheChairman]

Well let's take a look at this chart......


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Monday_Night_Wars_Ratings.JPG


This clearly shows that durng football season when wrestling was peaking, between both Raw and Nitro, they were hitting a combined 8. rating. Last night Raw hit below 3. This is obvious to me, and really should be to you as well.

[TheChairman]

In fact, last nights rating was the lowest since 1997.

[Lock Jaw]

I liked it when Del Rio said he had Illegal Canadians working on his ranch.

[Cool King]

I've never heard of Canadians illegally living and working in Mexico.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That's the beauty of it. I don't know why people dog Del Rio's mic skills. I think he's hilarious.

[Lock Jaw]

I've never heard of Canadians illegally living and working in Mexico.

Reversing the stereotypes.

[Nark Order]

Well let's take a look at this chart......


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Monday_Night_Wars_Ratings.JPG


This clearly shows that durng football season when wrestling was peaking, between both Raw and Nitro, they were hitting a combined 8. rating. Last night Raw hit below 3. This is obvious to me, and really should be to you as well.

So to prove your point you whip out 10 year old information. Nice.

I don't really feel that attitude era numbers are relevant at this current time in wrestling history. I have a feeling that those numbers will not come back anytime soon, if ever. Especially when you bring DVR/TiVo into the mix. ABT has it pretty dead on. Wrestling dies down a bit at the beginning of every football season. It happens during the season as well but almost everybody wants to watch the first Monday Night Footbal game.

[blake639raw]

Something that should be considered also, is youtube, and similar sites. You can miss the live show if you have something else to do, and just watch it online later. Alot more people have online access than did in the 90's.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I DVR Raw now. Back in the day, I used to have to video tape them if I couldn't be home for them live.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I usually was home for it live though.

[Blakeamus]

Last night’s 9/12 WWE Monday Night RAW drew a 2.72 (2.7) cable rating, with 3,856,000 viewers. The first hour did a 2.72 (2.7) and the second did a 2.71 (2.7). The show had big competition with the return of “Monday Night Football” on ESPN. The Patriots/Dolphins game drew a 10.62 (10.6) cable rating, with 14,568,000 million viewers, while the Broncos/Raiders game drew 8.21 (8.2) cable rating with 11,109,000 viewers. The final rating will be released soon.


So.... Does this mean CM Punk is saving Wrestling? I don't think so, I think this shows that wrestling as a business is in trouble.

I don't think anybody hear is saying he is saving wrestling. He has played a big part of making the past few months of WWE interesting. I've not read any negative feedback about the CM Punk/HHH program until you posted gibberish about how the numbers are reflecting failure. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are abusing this discussion with information that pretty much everyone here don't give two shits about. Fuck the numbers! WWE has been consistant with their product and creating a buzz. The business is far away from being in trouble. Good day to you sir!