Official ROH Wrestling Thread.

[Gertner]

It was garbage. GLOW was better than this shit.

[XL]

Don't get me wrong, I want to like ROH but I'm still waiting for it to grab my attention. :-\

I do like Jimmy's one man play-by-play/thread padding though.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I've given up. It's got it's moments, but it's unwatchable for the most part.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I've given up. It's got it's moments, but it's unwatchable for the most part.

I got this the first time I saw the show.

I really like the Briscoes though...

[Gertner]

hmmmm so apparently ol Gertie wasn't trolling after all.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

hmmmm so apparently ol Gertie wasn't trolling after all.

You were talking about the camera work of a show that hadn't even aired yet, so I wouldn't exactly say that.

[Gertner]

Hasney, it's been like that every week. The sound quality and picture looks like something shot with an iPhone

[Jordan]

ROH's TV show is like NWA circa 89's light heavyweights minus steriods + redbull.

It's got a great look and commentary but I wish they could find talented Heavyweights to round out their roster. Richards is good but I don't really see him as a guy who's going to break the mold or anything, he's not doing anything Benoit or Eddie, or Ultimo Dragon ever did.

Rodrick Strong has good moves but does not look like a singles wrestler, he should be in a tag team for sure.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'm watching the most recent episode now... Dear God is Eddie Edwards dull on the mic. Come on.

[MoFo]

ROH = founded by a pedophile.

Buying their PPVs is supporting child molestation

Boycott Ring Of Pedophiles

[Juan]

He's not even with the company anymore

[Gertner]

I heard Jerry Sandusky has found work as their new ring announcer.

[mike adamle]

Joe Paterno just replaced Brutal Bob Evans as Mike Bennett's trainer

[Gertner]

Is that why everybody in ROH is a midget? So they can resemble the boys they molest in appearance?

[mike adamle]

Yes

[St. Jimmy]

new Episode starting with the BEST TAG TEAM IN WRESTLING.

The Bravado Brothers.

[St. Jimmy]

Bravados vs. The Bucks? awesome.

[St. Jimmy]

Fantastic tag match, not too many over zealous spots. So good.

[St. Jimmy]

Kenny King has potential on the mic.

[St. Jimmy]

Titus however should be legally required to be 500ft from a Mic at all times.

STEEN VIDEO PACKAGE. Fuck Yes.

[St. Jimmy]

really digging Lethal as himself.

[St. Jimmy]

Elgin/Strong vs. The American Wolves, this is going to be a war.

[St. Jimmy]

Richards kicks are a thing of beauty.

[St. Jimmy]

Elgin does a beautiful Torture Rack drop.

[St. Jimmy]

Richards also sells so well.

[St. Jimmy]

Kelly/McGuiness is a fantastic announce duo.

[St. Jimmy]

That backdrop on the ring apron always make me cringe. Sick.

[St. Jimmy]

Standing & Walking Vertical Suplex by Elgin. Fucking old school.

[St. Jimmy]

Elgin just gave two men a Fallaway Slam at the same time. THAT WAS AWESOME.

[St. Jimmy]

Jesus Christ Elgin is a MONSTER.

[St. Jimmy]

Fantastic match! Like where their going with the Eddie Edwards being trained thing.

[Gertner]

"yawn" Did somebody order some vanilla?

[XL]

lol Jimmy

[mike adamle]

Elgin reminds me of a Claudio Castagnoli without charisma

[St. Jimmy]

Elgin reminds me of a Claudio Castagnoli without charisma

He's not supposed to be Charismatic, that's what they're going for. He's more like a machine. Elgin is just a legit destroyer.

[mike adamle]

Didn't say they were going for charisma with him. Just said he reminds me of Claudio without the charisma...

[Gertner]

He's not supposed to be Charismatic, that's what they're going for. He's more like a machine. Elgin is just a legit destroyer.

lol so basically he's like everybody else on the roster.

[mike adamle]

Would be cool if ANX won the tag title at GBH X tonight... which hasn't been promoted at all on tv...

[St. Jimmy]

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That's pretty fucking awesome.

[Gertner]

Wow, a washed up MMA star. Congrats ROH. You finally made it! Maybe they can upgrade to the iPhone5 so the picture quality will be better when they shoot their shows.

[MoFo]

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That's pretty fucking awesome.


But he was in teh WWE like 13 yrs ago, too mainstream for ROH

[SuperSlim'sGF]

I wear a training bra if that counts

[mike adamle]

The ending of GBH X sounded awesome. Too bad they probably won't talk about it on their tv show.

[St. Jimmy]

I really don't care about Mike Mondo. He's not impressive in any way.

[St. Jimmy]

Nice little match, but it wasn't good for an ROH match.

[St. Jimmy]

Love Cornette promos. He needs to promo every show.

[St. Jimmy]

Mike Bennett is so good. His promos are clean, his in ring work is great.

[XL]

So, Kevin Steen, he's pretty chunky.

[St. Jimmy]

Brutal Bob is called so because of his mic skills. Yeesh.

[St. Jimmy]

So, Kevin Steen, he's pretty chunky.

But he moves very gracefully and puts full effort into every match. He's amazing. Package Piledriver is probably the best move in wrestling right now.

[St. Jimmy]

Like that Richards is showing off his IWGP Jr Tag Belt.

[St. Jimmy]

O'Riley and Richards is going to be insane. Looking forward to this.

[St. Jimmy]

Martini on the booth is terrible.

[St. Jimmy]

DEE CEPT ION. Martini is trying too hard.

[St. Jimmy]

3 Butterfly Chain Suplexes into an Arm Bar. Kyle O'Riley is going to be huge someday.

[St. Jimmy]

and Davey Murders him with a running knee to the ribs.

[St. Jimmy]

Insane knee to the chin by O'Riley and then kicked him right in the chest. Fuuuuuuck.

[St. Jimmy]

INSANE counter into a reverse clutch suplex. O'Riley looks so good right now.

[St. Jimmy]

Tornado DDT rolling into a Guillotine Choke. Love this match.

[St. Jimmy]

BULLSHIT FINISH. Trainer throws in the Towel to save O'Riley from tapping. C'mon.

[St. Jimmy]

I understand it's to make both people look strong, but it's okay for someone to tap out to the World Champ.

[MoFo]

Love Cornette promos. He needs to promo every show.

r u srs?

[St. Jimmy]

r u srs?

How can you not like Cornette?

[mike adamle]

He's been repetitive and boring on this show, I don't like him in ROH personally. He's a legend, but he's just saying the same thing on this over and over.

[XL]

Is tonight the night Jimmy does his play-by-play for us?

[St. Jimmy]

Generico vs. Lethal for the belt is a fine Main Event. Let's start with a Briscoes promo.

[St. Jimmy]

Briscoes have a fantastic realistic promo style.

[St. Jimmy]

God Alexander and Colemen bore the fuck out of me.

[St. Jimmy]

They bout to get in a fight with DEM BOYS.

[St. Jimmy]

Alexander and Coleman are just doing the same boring Tag Team spots. Blehhhh.

[St. Jimmy]

WGTT with a run in?! The hell.

[St. Jimmy]

Two OVW boys vs. Elgin. Awwwww shit.

[St. Jimmy]

annnnnnnnnnnnnd Martini on the Booth. Fuck.

[St. Jimmy]

Jobbers selling well for big Elgin

[St. Jimmy]

DOUBLE Alabama Slam. Sick.

[St. Jimmy]

Corny inviting Steen to meet him, Corino, and Jacobs in the ring next week. Sounds solid.

[St. Jimmy]

Edwards promo featuring Severn.

[St. Jimmy]

Severn has the best hair in the world

[St. Jimmy]

lol, Camp Strong. 3 Bitches and a Beer.

[St. Jimmy]

Roddy Strong is the man.

[St. Jimmy]

Here we go, OLE OLE OLE OLE!

[St. Jimmy]

Here comes your 20 minute TV Main Event.

[St. Jimmy]

Oh hey! It's Mike Bennett! *cut to commercial* lol.

[St. Jimmy]

Fantastic chain wrestling by Generico vs. Lethal, nice drama with Generico pulling the punch at the end.

[St. Jimmy]

Generico's arm drags are siccccck.

[St. Jimmy]

Chopping the hell out of each other.

[St. Jimmy]

Jesus Christ that was a sick Michinoku Driver.

[St. Jimmy]

2:50 seconds left. Bennett stealing the belt?! Tsk tsk.

[St. Jimmy]

Lethal rolled out a tiger driver and nails an INSANE superkick.

[St. Jimmy]

Lethal nails Bennett on the outside.

[St. Jimmy]

Lethal Combination, no pin.

[St. Jimmy]

Bennett on the apron, expiried time limit.

[St. Jimmy]

Nice setup for Generico vs. Bennett vs. Lethal (C)

[St. Jimmy]

Good show overall, really need to tell Coleman and Alexander to train more if they're going to be on TV.

[Juan]

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[St. Jimmy]

You're a mod, act like it.

[Gertner]

This show is embarrassing. It'll be canceled by January.

[Indifferent Clox]

Yo St. Jimmy. I appreciate ye enthusiasm. Really do. But uh I can listen to Dave prazak if I need commentary

[Captain of Fun]

Gertner did roh email yr girlfriend an abortion or something?


How do you type this and think it makes any sense?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Okay, I love Kevin Steen, but Jesus bro, hit a fucking gym.

I don't care how great of an athlete you are, you look like crap. When people in the crowd look more athletic then you've, you got a problem.

[CSL]

BUT HE CAN DO ALL OF THE MOVES!

[mike adamle]

He lost a shit ton of weight compared to what he looked like at Final Battle 2010...

[Innovator]

He's still a fattie mcfattie.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

He lost a shit ton of weight compared to what he looked like at Final Battle 2010...

Maybe he did, but when he was on the latest ROH show, he still looked 9 months pregnant. I'm not the type of person to make fun of someone for being fat, and I'm not trying to make fun of him, but dude, you're a professional athlete, look like it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm kind of hoping that Jimmy Jacobs "gives in to the evil" and turns on Steve Corino at Final Battle. I'd like to see Steen & Jacobs as partners in crime in ROH in 2012. You could even have El Generico win the ROH World Television Title from Jay Lethal, and then have Lethal corrupted by Steen & Jacobs, turning on El Generico in a tag team match.

ROH has had some good factions in the past, and some shitty ones -- but it'd be hard to go wrong with Kevin Steen, Jimmy Jacobs & Jay Lethal.

[XL]

Am I missing something, well, episodes to be exact. Last time I checked the ROH website hadn't updated the available show since the end of November. Mind you, I couldn't even log in today so...

[St. Jimmy]

Just now watching the show from 12/3. Really excited for this episode.

[St. Jimmy]

CIAMPA gonna kill a motherfucker.

[St. Jimmy]

CIAMPA, in fact, killed a motherfucker.

[St. Jimmy]

Briscoe's Promo, fuck yeah.

[St. Jimmy]

ANX with something to prove, but it's time for Steen!

[St. Jimmy]

KILL STEEN KILL.

[St. Jimmy]

Love this Segment, Corino is selling this for me so well.

[St. Jimmy]

Final Battle is going to be fucking fantastic.

[St. Jimmy]

Love these Roddy Strong segments.

[St. Jimmy]

Young Bucks vs. Future Shock. Sure, this is gonna be a spotfest - but it looks fun.

[St. Jimmy]

The only person in this ring who has yet to prove something to me yet is Adam Cole.

[St. Jimmy]

Slower match from these two teams, but solid so far.

[St. Jimmy]

Good match overall, Steen promo was really the focus of the episode. Alright show, not very special.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'm kind of hoping that Jimmy Jacobs "gives in to the evil" and turns on Steve Corino at Final Battle. I'd like to see Steen & Jacobs as partners in crime in ROH in 2012. You could even have El Generico win the ROH World Television Title from Jay Lethal, and then have Lethal corrupted by Steen & Jacobs, turning on El Generico in a tag team match.

ROH has had some good factions in the past, and some shitty ones -- but it'd be hard to go wrong with Kevin Steen, Jimmy Jacobs & Jay Lethal.

I'm assuming that's what's going to happen. Evil Jimmy Jacobs is the goods. That, or they'll have Corino ultimately turn on Jacobs, and play Jacobs as the huge underdog to get the crowd behind him.

Still, I say turn him evil-ish. He's at his best when he's in that bizarre and sadistic gray area between face and heel (his feud with Whitmer/Colt where he was psychotic and crazy, but was really just a love crazed kid essentially getting picked on by bigger people, or the entire AotF thing, where he was a crazy cult leader, but actually trying to make valid points about society.)

[Gertner]

Kenny King should just snap and become a loner submission machine

[Gertner]

Davey Richards should just snap and become a loner submission machine

[Gertner]

Rodrick Strong should just snap and become a loner submission machine!

[Gertner]

Grizzly Redwood should just snap and become a loner submission machine

[Gertner]

Pelle Primeau should just snap and become a loner submission machine, but this time with respect, but not honor.

[Gertner]

Kevin Kelly should just snap and become a loner submission machine, but this time with dishonor, but with mutual respect.

[Gertner]

Honor Respect should become a loner submission machine, but with dishonor and no respect, which would contradict his own name!

[mike adamle]

Read the results for Final Battle, really wanna see Steen-Corino. Looking forward to most of the show really. Also pretty interested in seeing that 80 minute 8 man tag match they had in November.

[St. Jimmy]

Amazing PPV. Steen and Corino killed each other, Strong vs. (Mystery Opponent) was fucking gold and the Main Event was epic. Best PPV of the year hands down. So looking forward to where they're going in 2012.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So I guess this means (Mystery Opponent) isn't going to the WWE.

[Juan]

He failed some sort of drug test but from what I read, WWE is still interested and he's gonna take the tests again

[Gertner]

I literally spilled my bucket of lard while watching this in my mom's basement on a Saturday night. Better than prom date with my sister. It was that good.

[Swiss Ultimate]

You're free now.

[Swiss Ultimate]

This is your chance to shine. Don't waste it.

[Indifferent Clox]

I feel so free. So at peace.

Things Roh has that wwe is seriously lacking:
Chain wrestling
30 minute + matches
matches that dont end with just a finisher
storylines that don't make the viewer feel stupid
Jim cornette

[Indifferent Clox]

I think this should.be the dgusa/Roh/chikara/evolve/ mxpw/ japw/ purereso thread.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I still think the no-selling and multi-finisher matches are kind of silly.

[Indifferent Clox]

Then dont watch Japanese wrestling. You'll think its ridiculous.

The whole Point is these guys may not look like Superman. But they can take moves and comeback. The style is much more difficult.

Its not a style for marks. Its a style for people with a little bit of knowledge, who realize, not every headbump is gonna la break yr neck. And if yr smart you tuck.

[Innovator]

I still think the no-selling and multi-finisher matches are kind of silly.

This has kinda turned me off of ROH. What is the point of a 45 minute match where Davey and Eddie kick each other in the head 500 times without selling the effects? According to that match, Eddie Edward should be a UFC Champion.

[CSL]

Its not a style for marks.

that's the 2nd time I've seen you use the word "mark" in 2 different threads. You are a bigger "mark" than just about everybody here, in fact fucking everybody here given the fact you talk this bollocks so often so you really shouldn't be one to try and use it in some derogatory form.

The style is much more difficult.

you are talking complete and utter shite

[Indifferent Clox]

Dude, how many southern style wrestlers are there? Showman if you will? Not saying any wrestling is easy. But its much easier to wrestle like cena/ Hogan/ the rock than it is to wrestle the style of say kobashi/ misawa/ Kawada.

[Xero]

But CSL, Clox is in the business. He took an arm drag from Ricky Morton. He knows better than most veterans.

[Indifferent Clox]

Ask anyone in the business strong style is a much more difficult style to work.

I'd say its like this in terms of difficulty. Of course there are exceptions
garbage (exception Sabine/ rvd / Terry funk/ hayabusa)
showman (exception Shawn Michael's / Kurt)
lucha
Strong style
Junior style

[CSL]

Dude, how many southern style wrestlers are there? Showman if you will? Not saying any wrestling is easy. But its much easier to wrestle like cena/ Hogan/ the rock than it is to wrestle the style of say kobashi/ misawa/ Kawada.

once again, complete and utter bollocks. It hurts more to use the style of a Misawa or Kobashi but guess what? It's a fucking work. And it absolutely is not "more difficult". It's ridiculous how predictable and locked into that same fucknut indy/puro mindset that so many skinny fuckers in kickpads are today.

[Indifferent Clox]

Yeah it hurts more/ easier to botch and kill someone/ more cardio needed. Dunno how that doesn't equalmore difficult but whatever

[CSL]

Ask anyone in the business strong style is a much more difficult style to work.

fuck off fuck off fuck off.

It's ridiculous how predictable and locked into that same fucknut indy/puro mindset that so many skinny fuckers in kickpads are today.

Those are the only guys "in the business" that will tell you that.

[CSL]

Yeah it hurts more/ easier to botch and kill someone/ more cardio needed. Dunno how that doesn't equalmore difficult but whatever

you wouldn't, because you haven't got a clue, that's the entire fucking problem with you and your likeness

[Innovator]

I feel like "strong style" is the new flippy mcflipperson style. Instead of guys wanting to be HBK and only doing the moves without everything else, they all want to be Low Ki or Davey Richards.

[CSL]

local fed that's really starting to get over on that "scene" uses "British strong style" as a tagline, absolute cunts that are run by and use quite a few guys with that Clox mentality. And these are the ones that have the gall to call anybody else "marks".

[Swiss Ultimate]

I care more about story-telling than a bunch of guys risking life and limb and going down their move-set.

Rock kicking out of a stunner means a lot more and is more effective than Shoshimi Ayudi kicking out of his 7th top-rope piledriver from Ken Katuri Sayuni.

[Xero]

I just fell in love with DTTS all over again.

[Indifferent Clox]

OK lets say its physically more difficult. Not mentally.

[#1-norm-fan]

When WWE DOES put on a 30+ minute match though, it's gangbusters!

[Swiss Ultimate]

OK lets say its physically more difficult. Not mentally.

Two things and then I'm out. I think you should actually start talking about ROH when I'm done as otherwise this will just be about why casual and main-stream fans (along with smarks) don't enjoy the product.

1. It looks more painful, which is a legitimate reason for people to enjoy it. If it looks real then we're more likely to believe in it.

2. Because much of the punishment looks so devastating and real, it takes a lot of people out of the match when someone takes an unrealistic amount of punishment and gets up unfazed.

[Indifferent Clox]

I dot think they get up unfazed its more of a rush of adrenaline "fighting spirit" thing. But hey I love allllllll pro Wrestling. I like British wrestling from wide world of sport. I like the chaining.


Can we change this to the Indie wrestling thread? I wanna talk about pwg and dgusa!

[#1-norm-fan]

To add onto that, HBK. My favorite wrestler of all time. If you watch his longer matches, the man can barely stand at the end. Many times, you see him grabbing onto his opponent just trying to get to his feet and he's still unsteady and wobbly. He doesn't do this after a devastating move necessarily to sell that. Most of the time, he's just showing wear from the match. It's brilliant. That's why it bugs me to see someone act the polar opposite. A lot of indy matches I see, it seems like guys have a short term memory and only sell the previous few minutes of the match.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

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OH MY GOD HIS ADRENALINE IS OUT CONTROL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FIGHTING SPIRIT OF HIS ANCESTORS

[Supreme Olajuwon]

This is good to know. Next time you bitch about Superman Cena, I will casually remind you that he is purely showing his fighting spirit.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I would never bitch about Superman Cena.

[Swiss Ultimate]

January 17th Newswire (https://www.rohwrestling.com/news/january-17th-newswire)
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- This Friday night, January 20th ROH returns to Philadelphia, PA for “The Homecoming 2012” and fans are in store for a huge event! Jay Lethal looks to win the ultimate prize as he challenges...


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ROH “10th Anniversary” First List of Wrestlers Appearing! (https://www.rohwrestling.com/news/roh-10th-anniversary-first-list-wrestlers-appearing)
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Ring of Honor Wrestling hits NYC on Sunday afternoon March 4, 2012 to celebrate our “10^th Anniversary”! It’s been ten exciting years since Bryan Danielson, Low Ki, and Christopher...


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Coleman & Alexander Hit The Lottery! (https://www.rohwrestling.com/news/coleman-alexander-hit-lottery)
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As has been reported right here on ROHWrestling.com, The All Night Express of Rhett Titus & Kenny King were originally slated to receive their “Proving Ground” earned ROH World Tag Title match...

[Indifferent Clox]

Japanese wrestleres had their superhero gimmick stolen by cena..

[Indifferent Clox]

You guys think danielson and punk used to dhat? Just because they can do fighting spirit doesn't mean they have to.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Talk about ROH. That's why St. Jimmy made this thread.

[mike adamle]

Watched Gateway to Honor and Survival of the Fittest 2011 this weekend. Gateway to Honor may have been the worst ROH show ever honestly. Survival of the Fittest wasn't that great of a show, but the tag match with WGTT vs. Lethal/Richards wasn't bad, and the main event was phenomenal. O'Reilly didn't do a bad job of selling the offense of Elgin, like #1 WWF fan was talking about, he acted like HBK would near the end of his long matches, showing the wear and tear of everything he'd been through, especially after the table spot.

[Swiss Ultimate]

An opportunity squandered. Gertner's going to come back and bash on ROH harder than ever.

[St. Jimmy]

Kevin Steen is probably the 2nd best heel in wrestling right now.

[St. Jimmy]

Steen vs. Cornette is honestly a really good fued. Cornette can make you hate Jesus if he really wants to. His promos are legendary.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Talk about ROH. That's why St. Jimmy made this thread.

[XL]

Watched the latest epsiode today having not watched anything since before New Year. Nothing much seems to have progressed.

[CSL]

saw CZW Best of the Best 11 tonight, was pretty much the absolute drizzling shits from start to finish. And they had the gall to put it on iPPV however many weeks ago.

[Gertner]

DGUSA and ROH put on shitty iPPV's all the time

[Autobahn]

saw CZW Best of the Best 11 tonight, was pretty much the absolute drizzling shits from start to finish. And they had the gall to put it on iPPV however many weeks ago.

Is this the fluorescent light tube federation?

[St. Jimmy]

Yeah, CZW is that one.

[St. Jimmy]

Also,

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(http://tpwwforums.com/www.rohwrestling.com)

[St. Jimmy]

ROH WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/it-s-official)
Davey Richards defends his championship against "Wrestling's Worst Nightmare" Kevin Steen

ROH WORLD TELEVISION CHAMPIONSHIP
ROH World TV Champion Roderick Strong w/ Truth Martini defends againt "Belfast Bruiser" Fit Finlay

FIGHT WITHOUT HONOR FOR THE ROH WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP
Jay & Mark Briscoe vs Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team (Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin)

SHOWDOWN IN THE SUN - REMATCH (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/showdown-sun-rematch-signed)
"Canadian Icon" Lance Storm vs "The Prodigy" Mike Bennett w/ Brutal Bob

CHALLENGE MATCH
"Die Hard" Eddie Edwards vs. "The Man Beast" Rhino w/ Truth Martini

Special Attraction (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/top-contenders-collide-canada)
"Unbreakable" Michael Elgin vs Adam Cole

Grudge Match (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/grudge-match-set-border-wars)
Jay Lethal vs "The Dominant Male" Tommaso Ciampa w/ The Embassy Ltd.

Six Man Tag Team Match (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/6-man-tag-set-border-wars)
The All Night Express (Kenny King & Rhett Titus) and "Technical Lightning" TJ Perkins vs The Young Bucks (Nick & Matt Jackson) and "No Fear" Mike Mondo

Other wrestler's signed to appear:
- Steve Corino



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IPPV


Saturday, May 12, 2012 07:30pm EDT

[St. Jimmy]

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[St. Jimmy]

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[CSL]

Is this the fluorescent light tube federation?

kind of. They appear to alternate between "typical indy bollocks" and the death match stuff. This show in particular was all the "indy moves" except for one match, which was closer to "hardcore" than anything involving glass and the like. Was the "Best of the Best" tournament, which in the past has had guys like AJ, Aries, Shelley, Hero, Dutt, Daniels, Evan Bourne etc. Best they could come up with this year was Sami Callihan and 3 embarrassing guys local to me (my morbidly curious reasoning for checking it out) it was considerably worse than I thought it would be.

[XL]

What is a "Fight Without Honour"?

That's not some rhetorical question or sensai style proverb btw. Like, what are he rules of the match? Is it basically No Dq, no Count Out?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

They give each other a handjob before the match instead of shaking hands.

[CSL]

not seen any ROH for a while, seeing some dated 28th April rn, at least Steen can still cut a promo and is entertaining with a mic in spite of looking like shit, Davey is still drowning in a sea of bland. Also might be the most unlikable top company babyface in pro wrestling history

[Gertner]

What is a "Fight Without Honour"?

That's not some rhetorical question or sensai style proverb btw. Like, what are he rules of the match? Is it basically No Dq, no Count Out?

They each take each others mothers out for a nice seafood dinner after the match and NEVER CALL THEM AGAIN!

[CSL]

Lance Storm promo spliced with a recap that could be tested for insomnia cure trials, just show highlights of the guy wrestling with a voiceover or something, don't make him fucking talk

[CSL]

Jay Lethal by far the most interesting thing on here

[CSL]

fucking hell, do any of these guys ever think of developing a character?

"here comes skinny white guy looking serious, he'll be taking on skinny white guy looking serious"

[CSL]

Roddy Strong probably more interesting than he's ever been just from having Truth Martini standing next to him

[CSL]

although note for him: if you're a skinny guy with skinny legs, don't wear tiny boots showing off your skinny calves

[Gertner]

In some of the artistic combatant's defense, if they even try to develop some sort of character, the fat virgins who watch this shit just crap all over them.

[CSL]

there's one part where Davey comes out and the camera pans along the front row and onto the entrance way and every one of them banging away on their little barriers was "stereotypical looking" :'(

[Gertner]

Is it a stereotype when it's factual? Seems like my "trolling" is more truth than anything.

[Lock Jaw]

Can Lance Storm still "go" in the ring?

[CSL]

I'd have thought so given his style, the shape he's still in, running a school etc. Looks a bit ridiculous in a singlet though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

ROH WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/it-s-official)
Davey Richards defends his championship against "Wrestling's Worst Nightmare" Kevin Steen

ROH WORLD TELEVISION CHAMPIONSHIP
ROH World TV Champion Roderick Strong w/ Truth Martini defends againt "Belfast Bruiser" Fit Finlay

FIGHT WITHOUT HONOR FOR THE ROH WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP
Jay & Mark Briscoe vs Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team (Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin)

SHOWDOWN IN THE SUN - REMATCH (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/showdown-sun-rematch-signed)
"Canadian Icon" Lance Storm vs "The Prodigy" Mike Bennett w/ Brutal Bob

CHALLENGE MATCH
"Die Hard" Eddie Edwards vs. "The Man Beast" Rhino w/ Truth Martini

Special Attraction (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/top-contenders-collide-canada)
"Unbreakable" Michael Elgin vs Adam Cole

Grudge Match (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/grudge-match-set-border-wars)
Jay Lethal vs "The Dominant Male" Tommaso Ciampa w/ The Embassy Ltd.

Six Man Tag Team Match (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/6-man-tag-set-border-wars)
The All Night Express (Kenny King & Rhett Titus) and "Technical Lightning" TJ Perkins vs The Young Bucks (Nick & Matt Jackson) and "No Fear" Mike Mondo

Other wrestler's signed to appear:
- Steve Corino



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IPPV


Saturday, May 12, 2012 07:30pm EDT

I'm really interested to see how this show unfolds. I really want ROH to succeed, but they just haven't mounted momentum recently. ROH's most interesting years were definitely when Gabe was in creative control of the company. ROH has got all the tools to get me interested, but it's just not really there at the moment.

The Six-Man Tag will be good wrestling, and I think every card, no matter the promotion, could always use your standard "here's these guys and they're just going to wrestle" match. TJ Perkins might be really good in the ring, but he's never captured my imagination. I see him in a match and I instantly kind of want the other team to win. Kenny King and Rhett Titus are pretty great, however, and actually have personas. Mike Mondo is also from "Superstar" land, and I quite liked him as the outgoing "Mikey." Not sure what he's really doing as a character now. I'd go with this as the opener and the babyfaces getting the win -- I think that is Kenny King, Titus and that other dude.

Is Tommaso Ciampa still undefeated? I haven't really seen the dude work, but he's getting one of those pushes you see in even the big feds. I'd compare it to Crimson's undefeated streak -- it's there, but I don't care. I like Jay Lethal, and I think he should be a bigger part of the company. If ROH decided to push him, I don't think it would be a bad thing. Tommaso's got the look, and he was trained by the likes of Killer Kowalski, Harley Race, Al Snow and...Spike Dudley. One of the hardest matches to really work out what I'd do, because I have no real clue what the story is.

Michael Elgin apparently impresses people with his power moves and such. Adam Cole is your traditional "indy darling." I think Elgin's character needs the win a lot more, to continue looking like a credible threat for that face turn that is coming against Roderick Strong. Cole can look good losing and easily be re-built. Plus the dude is like fourteen. Elgin should win here and look like a beast.

All booking sense would tell me that Eddie Edwards beating Rhino is the right move, but I kind of want Rhino to Gore the fuck out of Edwards. He's another case of a great worker that suffers from a case of blandness. There was a time when it was the right call to elevate him, but he really needs something a bit extra. I would love to see Rhino stick around and Gore shit. The dude is only 36 and always interested me far more than a lot of other characters in wrestling. I'd still even love to see a Rhyno WWE return. Have him back-up a heel Christian on RAW against CM Punk. I'd eat it up, anyway. I'd personally put Rhino over here and when Elgin leaves The House of Truth, Rhino vs. Elgin could become an interesting clash en route to Elgin getting his hands on Roderick Strong.

Mike Bennett is not your usual ROH talent. He's a guy that is seemingly getting a push based on his look and the fact he seems like a "Superstar" as opposed to being a great worker. Lance Storm will be able to get a really solid match out of Bennett, but I think the right call is for Bennett to go over decisively and cleanly. After the match, have Bennett go to disrespect Storm more with a further beat-down of the "Icon," only for one of Storm's students to stop it. What's that dude Ben Muth doing? He was the Stanford tackle that went and got trained by Lance Storm and played "Brick Shithouse" in Jeff Katz's Wrestling Retribution Project. Bring him in to feud with Bennett heading forward to avenge his mentor.

Having Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas in ROH is a great thing for them. Also, The Briscoes are a pretty amazingly fun tag team. I think this is an appropriate Tag Team Title match. This seems like the blow-off, but I really want Haas and Benjamin to win. C&C Wrestling Factory have a shot at the belts, and I would kind of like it if they were revealed to have entered a deal with Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team -- Haas & Benjamin would help C&C secure a title shot if they returned the favour and helped them secure the titles. It gives The Briscoes a chase and it gives them a reason to want to kill Caprice Coleman & Cedric Alexander. But I know ROH is not like that. I think The Briscoes will have a fairly dominant run as Tag Team Champions. I really want Haas & Benjamin to win here, though.

I read Roderick Strong vs. Finlay as if it weren't going to be for the TV Title. Personally, I'd actually go with Finlay winning here. Yeah, the dude is 53 years old, but he's a legitimately tough dude and I'd buy him upsetting an arrogant guy he's got size on. Finlay made his in-ring debut before Strong was even born -- a feud between the two could represent Strong "maturing" and being taken to the wood-shop, so to speak. Also, since it seems that they're going to go with Strong vs. Elgin, it'd make sense to position Elgin as a guy who can get it done, whereas Strong needs a bit more help. Elgin could challenge Finlay for the ROH TV Title and Strong could attack Finlay before the match's end, giving Finlay the DQ win and furthering tensions between Strong and Elgin, for example. I'd also love for ROH to get their hands on Tajiri for a match with Finlay. Didn't the two recently have a really raved about bout in Japan?

Part of me still thinks that the way to go with Richards vs. Steen is having Richards sell-out to Jim Cornette, and the two become the biggest heels in the company. Steen's recent character has (accurately) pointed out how bland and hypocritical Richards and Cornette are, and the fans have been lapping it up, apparently. Isn't this being billed as Steen's only shot at the title? Have Cornette mastermind a plan to really fuck Steen here. It could involve Steve Corino, it could involve Jimmy Jacobs betraying Steen, it could involve Kyle O'Reilly, but I think that it would make ROH the most interesting and could get people talking.

Also, part of me would like to see Jim Cornette and Steve Corino put together a group of heels consisting of Davey Richards, Eddie Edwards and Kyle O'Reilly. There can be a spot offered to Adam Cole, but he could refuse and get himself more over as a babyface by getting beat-down by the heels. Richards, Edwards & O'Reilly (man, even their surnames are bland) vs. Steen, Jacobs & Cole would make a pretty good six-man tag.

[Mr. Nerfect]

To summarize, because I know people hate reading my shit:

* Davey Richards and Jim Cornette turn into mega-heels for ROH by screwing over Steen in Canada, and Richards then forms a heel group with his old friend Eddie Edwards (who just wants to be on the winning team) and Kyle O'Reilly (Richards' dark apprentice). Steve Corino and Jim Cornette could serve as talkers for the group.

* The story moving forward is Jimmy Jacobs and/or Adam Cole being built-up to be challengers for Richards and the ROH World Title, since Steen cannot challenge. Steen looks for revenge against the group that screwed him, beating the shit out of Kyle O'Reilly, Steve Corino and Eddie Edwards a couple of times each.

* Lance Storm is brutalised by disrespectful young man, Mike Bennett, but Storm's prodigy, Ben Muth, makes his ROH debut as respectful young man. Storm and Brutal Bob back their men for a match down the line, while Maria stands there and looks sexy.

* Finlay becomes a bad-ass old motherfucker who teaches those whippersnappers in ROH how to be a real superstar wrestler. He sort of exists in his own paradigm for a little bit, and you can even bring in other guys from all over the world to get into the ring with the world-class Irish brawler.

* Strong and Elgin head towards an explosion, where Elgin defeats Strong before hopefully getting enough steam to be a decent player in ROH.

* The Briscoes are screwed out of their current championship reign by the power of shady backstage deals. C&C Wrestling Factory, Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team and The Briscoes head towards some sort of triangle of violence with the World Tag Team Championship involved as The All-Night Express are built further on the side.

* Rhino should be brought into the company full-time and should Gore shit all the time.

I might begin to care about ROH a little more.

[St. Jimmy]

I am so looking forward to this event. Fucking HYPED.

[nolanve]

Steen won the title! Steen won the title! Kill Steen Kill.

[St. Jimmy]

Steen won the title! Steen won the title! Kill Steen Kill.

[owenbrown]

To summarize, because I know people hate reading my shit:

* Davey Richards and Jim Cornette turn into mega-heels for ROH by screwing over Steen in Canada, and Richards then forms a heel group with his old friend Eddie Edwards (who just wants to be on the winning team) and Kyle O'Reilly (Richards' dark apprentice). Steve Corino and Jim Cornette could serve as talkers for the group.

* The story moving forward is Jimmy Jacobs and/or Adam Cole being built-up to be challengers for Richards and the ROH World Title, since Steen cannot challenge. Steen looks for revenge against the group that screwed him, beating the shit out of Kyle O'Reilly, Steve Corino and Eddie Edwards a couple of times each.

* Lance Storm is brutalised by disrespectful young man, Mike Bennett, but Storm's prodigy, Ben Muth, makes his ROH debut as respectful young man. Storm and Brutal Bob back their men for a match down the line, while Maria stands there and looks sexy.

* Finlay becomes a bad-ass old motherfucker who teaches those whippersnappers in ROH how to be a real superstar wrestler. He sort of exists in his own paradigm for a little bit, and you can even bring in other guys from all over the world to get into the ring with the world-class Irish brawler.

* Strong and Elgin head towards an explosion, where Elgin defeats Strong before hopefully getting enough steam to be a decent player in ROH.

* The Briscoes are screwed out of their current championship reign by the power of shady backstage deals. C&C Wrestling Factory, Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team and The Briscoes head towards some sort of triangle of violence with the World Tag Team Championship involved as The All-Night Express are built further on the side.

* Rhino should be brought into the company full-time and should Gore shit all the time.

I might begin to care about ROH a little more.

hence the term Noid Post.

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty "good" event.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sounds like a good show, as Lock Jaw said. I don't know if I care enough to give ROH a watch, though. They really need to find a way to gain some momentum. I'm interested to see what Davey Richards does now. He's a great worker, but he lacks personality. I really think they should go the route of having him work in the Tag Team Division full-time again. Let your guys with personality be your main event singles guys.

Kevin Steen vs. Jimmy Jacobs
Kevin Steen vs. Steve Corino
Kevin Steen vs. El Generico

These are the matches I am most looking forward to at the moment. I wouldn't mind ROH bringing back their "Race to the Top" Tournament and having someone like Kenny King win it, though. King reminds me of a more charismatic Shelton Benjamin. He'd make a great challenger for Steen down the line. ROH should also try and invest in some guys like John Hennigan.

[St. Jimmy]

New "Best in the World 2012" Matches:

ROH Championship Match (Loser Cannot Challenge Winner for the Title Again):
Kevin Steen (C) vs. "American Wolf" Davey Ricards

Two Dudes STIFF THE FUCK OUT OF EACH OTHER:
"Unbreakable" Michael Elgin vs. Fit Finlay

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas are also defending the World Tag Team Titles against The All-Night Express.

The house show results I read for ROH lately read pretty fucking poorly, to be honest, and apparently ROH does not have their technical shit together for PPVs. ROH really needs to get organised.

[Gertner]

ROH shoots their matches with a Motorola Razor

[Mr. Nerfect]

They have some guys that are really fucking solid that they are trying to build momentum for (Michael Elgin, Tommaso Ciampa, Mike Bennett, etc.), but I just don't care. I'm begging ROH to make me care.

Davey Richards has also been pretty fucking boring by all accounts. The man is brilliant in the ring, but is a secondary title holder at best -- at least for the moment, until he either develops some sort of marketable personality or gets the momentum where a "hard earned" title victory becomes a movement people want to invest themselves in emotionally.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A Jimmy Jacobs vs. Davey Richards feud could make me care, since Jacobs has personality out the ass and he could antagonist Richards so successfully, that I could buy into Richards killing Jacobs as a pay-off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, the ROH World Television Champion should be an act that is television friendly. El Generico is still the best choice ROH has had as their ROH TV Champ, in my opinion. Put the belt back on him and have Strong and Elgin's eventual feud be away from any sort of championship.

Either that or put the TV Title on the aforementioned Jimmy Jacobs, whose personality could get people interested in ROH TV (in a relative sense, of course -- I'm comparing him to an indy guy with no personality). Jacobs vs. Richards could be the premier TV feud for ROH in 2012.

[St. Jimmy]

I don't see how they "lack momentum". They're the best wrestling company in North America. They have the best athletes. The only issue I can find fault in is their fucking iPPV needs to be sorted out. They problem with their iPPV is that they're more popular than they have the equipment for, get a real data server and an actual ISP with bandwidth and they're in business.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I said they're trying to build momentum for certain guys on the roster, and that I don't care about them. I don't think they're talentless or anything like that -- I just don't care.

[St. Jimmy]

Like who for example?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I listed them above! Mike Bennett -- a potential "Superstar," but is feuding with a guy that is not even on the full-time ROH roster. I love that he has Maria with him, but while his work is solid, it's just not that level of "spectacular" that ROH guys are associated with. He'd be better off signing a deal with the WWE and being brought up to their NXT show.

Tommaso Ciampa is kind of cool, and I like his finisher, but I have not cared about The Embassy since Jimmy Rave was "The Crown Jewel." It seems they are teasing Ciampa leaving the group, and I think now that he doesn't have the undefeated streak going on, they are free to play around with him a bit more. To me, he is the Crimson of ROH -- and I don't even care about the Crimson of TNA that much.

Michael Elgin is one dude I do like. The guy does some pretty incredible power stuff, and he's built like a beast. I could see him ending up in one of the larger companies down the track. The only thing is that he's short. He could be brought into the WWE with a role similar to Rhyno's, but I'm not sure how he would really stack up against guys in the WWE. I could see him as an X-Division Champion in TNA, should they make it about "no limits" again.

Elgin's impending feud with Roderick Strong could be pretty good, but I haven't really cared about Roddy lately, either. Strong really needs to start pissing Elgin off so ROH can make some money of him when he snaps and destroys Strong.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Truth be told, I think that both parties would benefit if the relationship between ROH and Gabe Sapolsky was repaired. Sapolsky has a solid creative mind, but his work in Dragon Gate USA and EVOLVE has not nearly been as effective as his stint in ROH was. And without Gabe, ROH has lost that little bit of "fire" that they used to have. Right now it seems like there's only a few people that are carrying the torch in ROH (Kevin Steen and Jay Lethal come to mind).

Having guys like Johnny Gargano, Chuck Taylor, Masato Yoshino, Naruki Doi, BxB Hulk, Akira Tozawa, CIMA, AR Fox, Low Ki and Shingo Takagi associated with the company (again) would be huge for them. You'd also have some guys with some personality back!

[loopydate]

Since I moved to a new area, I finally get ROH's TV show. I've seen stuff on YouTube off-and-on, but I haven't really "watched" ROH in about eight years until about three weeks ago.

Frankly, I'm not that impressed. There are some guys who can go in the ring, but aside from Steen, Lethal, Elgin, Ciampa, and maybe Jacobs (haven't seen much of his "new" incarnation) there's not really anybody I feel like "Ooh, I need to see that guy's next match!" or "I can't wait to see what he does next."

The production values remind me of ECW's TV show circa 1996, which should be a good thing, but technology has come a long way in 16 years, and they seem to be using none of it. I've been reading about the iPPV issues they've been having, and that really doesn't bode well for a company that needs paying customers badly.

I hope ROH succeeds, because they're the closest thing to a "farm system" that remains outside of the developmental territories, and they've produced some spectacular talent over the last decade. But if they want people to watch them and tell their friends to watch, they need to get their act together.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm also not sold on the concept of ROH's current show. A one hour show seems like it...doesn't fit ROH, if you know what I mean? Personally, my perfect vision for a ROH show would be something on HBO, uninterrupted by commercials (they can insert spots for their DVDs), where they could be promoted as the "cool" brand of professional wrestling. Clean, crisp, mature without being "adult," and a show where storylines are given the chance to fully develop and play out. A true alternative to the RAWs and Impacts of the current professional wrestling landscape.

In a perfect world, I'd also like it if ROH managed to get international distribution for certain DVDs. I'm sure they have something like it out, but sets showing the world the growth of CM Punk and Bryan Danielson respectively could be pretty huge for them.

I don't know -- I'm not really "buying" into ROH at present. I still think they have a long way to go.

[Gertner]

I don't see how they "lack momentum". They're the best wrestling company in North America. They have the best athletes. The only issue I can find fault in is their fucking iPPV needs to be sorted out. They problem with their iPPV is that they're more popular than they have the equipment for, get a real data server and an actual ISP with bandwidth and they're in business.

WWE is the best. ROH is full of vanilla midgets with no drawing ability, no mic skills, their fans are complete douchebags of the lowest form, and their production values resemble the OCW

[CSL]

They're the best wrestling company in North America. They have the best athletes..

ahahahaha

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Yeah, haven't watched ROH in ages. I love Jimmy Jacobs, but that's about it. Steen is hit or miss for me, couldn't care less about half the roster. Kenny King and Rhett Titus are pretty awesome though, and hopefully get picked up some day.

ROH doesn't have a star. There's no one to really lead the company. No one to want to make people watch. Steen has the personality, but looks like crap. Jimmy Jacobs has the character, but doesn't have the look. Richards is boring.

[blake639raw]

The last time I gave a shit about ROH was when Nigel was champ. It's all went downhill since. They are still some guys on the roster I like (Generico, Briscoes), but when they started giving the belt to guys like Edwards and Strong, they lost a little something.

[St. Jimmy]

WWE is the best. ROH is full of vanilla midgets with no drawing ability, no mic skills, their fans are complete douchebags of the lowest form, and their production values resemble the OCW

WWE is not a Wrestling Company.

[loopydate]

Yeah, haven't watched ROH in ages. I love Jimmy Jacobs, but that's about it. Steen is hit or miss for me, couldn't care less about half the roster. Kenny King and Rhett Titus are pretty awesome though, and hopefully get picked up some day.

ROH doesn't have a star. There's no one to really lead the company. No one to want to make people watch. Steen has the personality, but looks like crap. Jimmy Jacobs has the character, but doesn't have the look. Richards is boring.

I forgot about ANX. They're really good in the ring, but their promo on the Bucks this week was pretty bad.

[Gertner]

WWE is not a Wrestling Company.

Hate to break it to ya champ, but it's all sports entertainment.

[St. Jimmy]

Hate to let you down pal, but it's really not.

[CSL]

awwwww

[Gertner]

Hate to let you down pal, but it's really not.

lol well when wrestling stops having predetermined winner then I'll agree with ya. Until then, it's all Sports Entertainment

[St. Jimmy]

lol like UFC, rite?

[loopydate]

...

[Gertner]

lol like UFC, rite?

Pretty much. Pro Wrestling is all sports entertainment. Not quite a sport because it's predetermined, so it's entertainment. I don't know why smarks get all pissy about this.

[St. Jimmy]

UFC is a work.

[Gertner]

Oh for crying out loud

[Corporate CockSnogger]

St. James knows nothing about wrestling.

[Gertner]

This is exactly why I should be made a mod.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If I was Gertner, I would've gone with something along the lines of "the only reason we don't call ROH sports entertainment is because nobody thinks it's entertaining."

But whatever, I'm not even here.



OOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOooOoOOOOOOOO

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://www.wwe.com/f/reign/image/2005/06/492514.jpg

[Gertner]

If I was Gertner, I would've gone with something along the lines of "the only reason we don't call ROH sports entertainment is because nobody thinks it's entertaining."

But whatever, I'm not even here.



OOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOooOoOOOOOOOO

I really wish you'd stop trolling Surpreme. You're not adding anything to the discussion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree completely with What Would Kevin Do?, in that ROH is really missing a star. I disagree with WWKD that Steen could not be it, though -- right now he is super-over. I have no clue where to go with him, but whatever.

Low Ki and Homicide are two guys on the independent circuit with personality and marketable presence. I don't know why ROH has not tried harder to get these guys back into camp with them. And truth be told, signing guys like Carlito, Chavo Guerrero, Finlay, Chris Masters and even Matt Morgan would not be a bad start for ROH. They are guys with experience in bigger promotions, and each has something to really offer on that more superficial wrestling level -- whether it be experience, a name, the look or personality.

They should also pay John "Bradshaw" Layfield a shit-ton of money to show up as a spokesperson for Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin. I'm not sure if JBL would do it, though.

[loopydate]

They were very smart putting the Steen/Richards match on this week's TV show.

They were not very smart by not doing some work on the audio so that every other word from the announcers (and half the bumps) weren't silenced because of the profanity being chanted in the background.

That, and it was interrupted by four commercial breaks.

But overall, it was a fun match to watch and I'm genuinely curious what ROH looks like with "Wrestling's Worst Nightmare" as its World Champion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

ROH should try and get Alex Shelley. Yeah, it's likely that Shelley will be WWE bound, but ROH should at least try in their own interests.

[St. Jimmy]

Sabin will probably end up in ROH for a few appearances before his next WWE tryout. Would like to see Sabin vs. Edwards on a marquee card.

[Gertner]

ROH can't afford to transport Young Bucks and TJ Perkins. That's what happens when one of the Taco Bell Employee wrestlers gets a 5 cent raise.

Can't wait for this bush league bullshit fed to fold.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not into TJ Perkins at all. Dude is apparently a solid worker, but I've just never been into him. Because he's from the west coast, he's never pushed in ROH, either, so he's been used pretty much exclusively to get guys over. I don't know what I would do with him if I were ROH. I think the guy needs a manager, ASAP. Since The Embassy kind of sucks these days, I think TJ Perkins joining them and getting a meanstreak to turn his win-loss record around would work.

The Young Bucks are apparently phenomenal in the ring, but are apparently jerks and pretty bland personality-wise, too. They probably had their best exposure as Generation Me in TNA, and if they had stuck it out, would probably be used to carry the division right now. The "special" factor of having them back on the independent scene has almost dried up in my opinion. Booking them more over the summer isn't going to help that.

[St. Jimmy]

Young Bucks were fantastic at the ME of that last Chikara PPV. They're not the type of tag team ROH is looking for to work with guys like the Briscoes.

[Gertner]

The Young Bucks are bland spot monkies. Nothign more, nothing less.

[St. Jimmy]

I disagree, they both have a ton of Charisma. Natural heels. They can also chain wrestle quite well, in addition to doing some pretty innovative and awe-inspiring spots.