Condit/Diaz II

[Kris P Lettus]

https://twitter.com/#!/danawhite/status/167109187539714048

[Funky Fly]

So when is this supposed to go down?

[whiteyford]

August, UFC on fox 4, according to reports on yahoo

[Next Big Thing]

In other words: GSP isn't ready yet, Koscheck fought like shit, so no one wants to see him fight and Dana is still hoping to God for GSP/Diaz.

Good shit though. Definitely excited. Even better if it's going to be on UFC on Fox 4.

[Shaved Monkey]

Not a fan of this at all.

It feels to me like they didn't get the result they wanted the first time and so they're just going to do it again?

[weather vane]

I'm glad they are rematching...

[MoFo]

Condit's got some balls man, coulda been a pussy like Rashad and sat out waiting for the title shot.

[Shaved Monkey]

I don't think he would have been a pussy to turn down the fight at all. Diaz lost that fight fair and square. The only reason he's getting another shot is because he's a poor loser and a whiner. Really hope Condit crushes him this time.

[CSL]

yeah, I'm pretty sure history shows that Dana White isn't one for "caving in" just because somebody like Nick Diaz complained about losing. I think the result of the fight was more than up for debate, especially the ridiculous 49-46 scores

[Shaved Monkey]

yeah, I'm pretty sure history shows that Dana White isn't one for "caving in" just because somebody like Nick Diaz complained about losing.

You're right, it's more than that. I just really hate Nick Diaz.

But really, Dana didn't get the result he wanted out of the fight and knows that Diaz/GSP will make more money than Condit/GSP. And while I understand that he is in the entertainment business it's still a bit of bullshit in my eyes.

Condit won and Diaz showed exactly how much of a prick he was after the fight.

I think the result of the fight was more than up for debate, especially the ridiculous 49-46 scores

I won't argue with you on the 49-46s being ridiculous but I've watched that fight 3 times now and I still can't see how anybody thinks that Diaz took the fight.

[CSL]

you're telling me you don't at all see how Diaz could potentially have won 1, 2 and 5?

[Shaved Monkey]

you're telling me you don't at all see how Diaz could potentially have won 1, 2 and 5?

No. Round 1, I can see how people thought Diaz won that because they tend to think that he was pushing the pace and landing more than Condit. If you look at the FightMetric stats (http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/condit-vs-diaz-official-ufc-statistics.html) Condit landed more strikes than Diaz did that round and did a tremendous job not just in that round but throughout the entire fight of avoiding being trapped against the cage.

But again I see how people think it could have gone to Diaz, I just don't agree.

Round 2 is one that I'll give to Diaz no problem.

Round 5 though I refuse to give to Diaz. He was losing that round handily before he got the take down and I don't agree that the take down was enough to give him the round as Condit was able to easily defend against Nick's attempt at a choke and then escaped when Diaz went for what looked like a hail mary armbar attempt. Sorry, but that one take down that he wasn't actually able to do anything with does not win him the round.

[Crimson]

Hats off to Condit for accepting. Interesting to see how it plays out this time, Diaz has to try more to get it to the ground I think.

also, lol Koscheck

[CSL]

No. Round 1, I can see how people thought Diaz won that because they tend to think that he was pushing the pace and landing more than Condit. If you look at the FightMetric stats (http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/condit-vs-diaz-official-ufc-statistics.html) Condit landed more strikes than Diaz did that round and did a tremendous job not just in that round but throughout the entire fight of avoiding being trapped against the cage.

But again I see how people think it could have gone to Diaz, I just don't agree.

Round 2 is one that I'll give to Diaz no problem.

Round 5 though I refuse to give to Diaz. He was losing that round handily before he got the take down and I don't agree that the take down was enough to give him the round as Condit was able to easily defend against Nick's attempt at a choke and then escaped when Diaz went for what looked like a hail mary armbar attempt. Sorry, but that one take down that he wasn't actually able to do anything with does not win him the round.

1. notice the use of words like "don't at all see" and "potentially", I'm not claiming a decisive win one way or the other but for you to claim that you "can't see how anybody" thinks it could have gone another way is pretty ridiculous.

2. who landed a few more punches statistically isn't the only way to score a round as you appear to have done for Round 1. I personally didn't see much difference between how rounds 1 and 2 went. The only round I see as really being debatable is 5, which I thought could have gone either way and was surprised when Joe Rogan said he thought it was Diaz's round. And all the credit in the world for the most part to Condit avoiding getting trapped but when more than once you full on turn your back against the opponent and Kalib Starnes-it across the octagon, that's pretty questionable

basically a re-match is the right/more than fair call. August seems like a pretty long time tho, surely it could have been hooked up before then

[CSL]

and Diaz's jawing followed by a full on open hand slap may have been my favourite thing in MMA this year

[Shaved Monkey]

1. notice the use of words like "don't at all see" and "potentially", I'm not claiming a decisive win one way or the other but for you to claim that you "can't see how anybody" thinks it could have gone another way is pretty ridiculous.

It's a by product of my Diaz hate. And yes, you're right.

2. who landed a few more punches statistically isn't the only way to score a round as you appear to have done for Round 1. I personally didn't see much difference between how rounds 1 and 2 went. The only round I see as really being debatable is 5, which I thought could have gone either way and was surprised when Joe Rogan said he thought it was Diaz's round. And all the credit in the world for the most part to Condit avoiding getting trapped but when more than once you full on turn your back against the opponent and Kalib Starnes-it across the octagon, that's pretty questionable

I've been having this argument about comparing Condit to Starnes all friggin week at work and I'm not particularly interested in getting into it again but what was Condit supposed to do? Get pushed up against the cage and stand and bang with Diaz? That's just silly because that is exactly how Diaz wins his fights. Escaping a bad position is not the equivalent to running away.

Also, yes statistics aren't the only way to judge a fight but in rounds as close as those two where everything else was more or less even the statistics tell the truest story.

basically a re-match is the right/more than fair call. August seems like a pretty long time tho, surely it could have been hooked up before then

Well, now there's a kink in the plans. It's seeming like the fight is off now. Dunno what's going on. I'm betting Diaz failed his drug test.

and Diaz's jawing followed by a full on open hand slap may have been my favourite thing in MMA this year

Yeah, that made me chuckle a bit.

[Shaved Monkey]

Well, now there's a kink in the plans. It's seeming like the fight is off now. Dunno what's going on. I'm betting Diaz failed his drug test.

For the record: http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_12451.shtml

Dunno, never heard of FrontRowBrian before.

[Jura]

Sounds good. I was hoping the interim champion would have at least one fight before facing the real champion otherwise it doesn't make much sense in bringing out an interim title.

[Kris P Lettus]

Mods please fix title or just change it to Diaz/Condit II.. I can't seem to change the title on my phone..

[Jordan]

This is a good move. I really want Diaz to face GSP soooo good move UFC.

[Krimzon7]

I don't think that that Diaz won the fight, I don't think the fight was close, and I don't think that Diaz deserves another shot now. Props for condit for being a 'company guy'....too bad the company isn't high on him.

[Mr. C]

Would Condit have gotten a rematch if he lost? Doubt it.

Condit won that fight.

[Jura]

If people really want Diaz vs GSP then Diaz has to step it up. He needs to keep doing what he's doing except add some kicks and also put some force behind those attacks then he needs to add take-downs and either ground and pound and wear Carlos down or submit him.

[Next Big Thing]

If people really want Diaz vs GSP then Diaz has to step it up. He needs to keep doing what he's doing except add some kicks and also put some force behind those attacks then he needs to add take-downs and either ground and pound and wear Carlos down or submit him.

If you look at Fightmetric, which does the official stats for the UFC, Diaz actually landed more significant strikes to the head and body of Condit. The biggest difference was in leg kicks where Condit outstruck Diaz 68 to 6.

Like I said before, if Nick took the time to check leg kicks and did more bobbing and weaving instead of just absorbing punishment he probably would have won it.

In my opinion, he doesn't need to change too much of his game, he just needs to be a bit more defensive minded.

[Jura]

He would have to focus on offense AND defense the whole 5 rounds then and maybe the result will be a close win in his favor but he has the Jujitsu skills so why not take advantage of it? You should go into the fight trying to win and if you have to then use all of your skills and find whatever ways to defeat the other guy. He went all 5 rounds and then towards the end of the 5th he suddenly tries a submission? Seems like he knew the fight was very close or that he was losing either consciously or subconsciously.

[CSL]

NSAC Says One UFC 143 Fighter Tested Positive For Banned Substance



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Could it be Nick Diaz (http://bjpenn.com/mmanews/2011/02/02/ufc-fighter-nick-diaz-fan-page-12944.html)?
The news is just now hitting airwaves that Keith Kizer the Executive Director of The Nevada State Athletic Commission is saying that one UFC 143 competitor has tested positive for banned substances.
In my discussions with Cesar Gracie last night he stated that a “temporary issue” will keep Nick Diaz out of competition for a while.
While no official word has yet been given, it would appear as if yesterday’s reports of the Condit vs. Diaz rematch being off are true and that Diaz faces a suspension due to a failed test.
This is still just my best speculation on events as I put the pieces of the puzzle together, but all signs, especially after my discussion with Cesar last night point to this being the likely outcome.
Stay tuned to BJPENN.COM as we continue to untangle this saga.

[MoFo]

Probz got busted for weed again :-/

Nick Dumbass

[Shaved Monkey]

Called it yesterday :cool:

Seriously though as much as I can't stand Diaz if he gets busted for weed that's just ridiculous. How on earth is pot a performance enhancing drug? Why do they even bother testing for it in the first place?

[CSL]

just been "confirmed" it was Nick and it was for pot

[The Mask]

confirmed where lad :'(

[Next Big Thing]

Ridiculous. I'm a huge Diaz fan and we can debate all day about whether or not pot should even be tested for, but the fact is, it's on the banned substances list and he's a professional fighter. Not just a professional fighter, but someone fighting for the title. It's kind of pathetic that he couldn't abstain long enough to pass a piss test and would risk so much for a blunt.

I still see the fight going down though. Probably late August or early September assuming the suspension for pot is six months or less, which it should be since it's pot. Plus, if Dana can forgive roiders and have no probe with letting Rogan commentate (probably while stoned) I don't see why this should make him cancel the fight.

[Shaved Monkey]

It's on MMA Torch right now.

http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_12461.shtml

Wonder how stiff the suspension is going to be.

[CSL]

confirmed where lad :'(

BJPenn.com

Confirmed | Diaz vs. Condit II Nixed | Nick Diaz Suspended By NSAC For Failing Drug Test

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For the past two days the entire MMA world has been running around in circles trying to get a handle on theNick Diaz (http://bjpenn.com/mmanews/2011/02/02/ufc-fighter-nick-diaz-fan-page-12944.html) vs. Carlos Condit (http://bjpenn.com/mmanews/2011/06/03/ufc-fighter-carlos-condit-fan-page-13045.html) rematch situation.
UFC president Dana White came out and said the deal is done (http://bjpenn.com/mmanews/2012/02/07/carlos-condit-accepts-nick-diaz-rematch-13489.html) and will be finalized on Friday, only to bedebunked by Cesar Gracie (http://bjpenn.com/mmanews/2012/02/08/quick-twitt-dana-white-confirms-condit-vs-diaz-ii-in-the-works-cesar-gracie-says-not-happening-13596.html) later the same day. However, as time went on Cesar and team withdrew their initial statement and opened the door to the possibility of a rematch.
Late last night, (3 a.m. to be exact) I was tipped off by Cesar Gracie (http://bjpenn.com/mmanews/2012/02/09/nsac-says-one-ufc-143-fighter-tested-positive-for-banned-substance-13674.html) that there was a temporary issue that will keep Nick out of action. Now that the NSAC has released their version of events and I can now publicly divulge the details.
After his loss to Carlos Condit at UFC 143 this past weekend Nick Diaz was required to submit to a post-fight drug screening. This is common practice for the State of Nevada when fighters compete in the evening’s main event.
In the days after the post-fight drug screening it was learned that Nick Diaz was found to have marijuana in his system and will subsequently get his license to fight suspended.
Marijuana is a banned substance in all Athletic jurisdictions. This is not Nicks’ fist infraction for Marijuana use, he failed a post-fight drug screening back in 2007 after he faced and beat Takanori Gomi in Las Vegas.
In this instance it would appear that history has indeed repeated itself and the Stockton native will need to prove rehabilitation to the commission after serving his suspension if he wants to try and regain his license for future events inside the state of Nevada.
While Nick Diaz proclaimed his desire to retire after his decision loss to Carlos Condit last weekend, the possibility of a rematch with the current interim title holder put him back in fight mode. Now, the consequences of his actions are biting him back as he will no longer be able to partake in one of the biggest rematches in UFC history.
If Diaz where to have been victorious over Condit in a rematch he would have been able to settle his grudge with champion Georges St. Pierre (http://bjpenn.com/mmanews/2011/06/03/ufc-fighter-georges-st-pierre-fan-page-13051.html) in what would have been one of the biggest fights in UFC history.
In the end, Nick Diaz not only loses the chance to prove he is better than Carlos Condit, but he also lost the chance to earn a UFC title, compete against GSP and earn millions of dollars in the process.
The fans also lose as well because after several years of anticipation the Diaz vs. GSP fight is now further away from happening than ever before.
When it is all said and done Diaz likely faces a 12 month suspension, a fine of his fight purse and will have to reapply for his license with the state once his suspension is up.
For a fighter who admittedly uses marijuana and is stubborn, controversial and just down right set in his ways, this may indeed be the straw that breaks the camel’s back and as such I wouldn’t be surprised if his retirement sticks. Either because he does not want to rehabilitate and refuses to cooperate with the re-licensing procedures of Nevada or he just plain doesn’t care to fight anymore.
Either way, in the end more than Diaz, it’s the sport and the fans that are the biggest losers in this recent string of events.

[Savio]

You could def tell he was high during the fight.

[Shaved Monkey]

I still see the fight going down though. Probably late August or early September assuming the suspension for pot is six months or less, which it should be since it's pot. Plus, if Dana can forgive roiders and have no probe with letting Rogan commentate (probably while stoned) I don't see why this should make him cancel the fight.

Sadly, his last suspension for pot was for six months and was also in Las Vegas. It's looking like this one could be a lot stiffer.

[CSL]

UFC Primetime Producer Says All Nick Diaz Does Is Train And Smoke Weed | Should The UFC Be Held Liable?

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“I think that he’s a guy that got into it before this whole thing blew up. He was 16 and dropped out [of school] and that was 12 years ago. The UFC wasn’t what the UFC is now; MMA wasn’t what MMA is now. He didn’t get into this thing at all for the attention, he didn’t bargain for this side of it.
There is certainly the argument that you have to take the good with the bad and you have to show up to press conferences and all that but I think Nick maybe more than any guy that I’ve covered is truly just a fighter. That’s what he does, that’s what he lives.
He does nothing else, besides a little bit of herbal extra-curricular activity, he does nothing else but train, nothing.
If you go into his house it’s a bunch of fighters that live there. It’s a nice house… There’s Jiu Jitsu mats where the dining room is… There’s like a chandelier hanging over these Jiu Jitsu mats in what should be a dining room but he has no use for that, so there are mats in the room there’s mats all over the place, there’s workout equipment everywhere you look and that’s all he does and that’s not fake.”
This interview caught my attention in the week before the UFC 143 event. Obviously the statement of Nick’s recreational marijuana use was the item that stood out the most to me.
Reason being is because I was shocked that the UFC’s producer, who starts to film the series just three weeks out from fight night, admits that prior to the taping he had never met Nick and then proceeds to divulge knowledge of him smoking marijuana.
I took it as if, since he has knowledge of such a fact without any prior interactions with Diaz, that Nick must be using banned substances while training for his fight with Carlos Condit (http://bjpenn.com/mmanews/2011/06/03/ufc-fighter-carlos-condit-fan-page-13045.html) and in doing so would need to clean his system out before an eventual commission test in order to pass the drug screenings done by Nevada.
It now becomes almost troubling knowing that an employee of the UFC had knowledge of this fact and now, with the recent news that Diaz tested positive for marijuana, kind of brings to light what kind of responsibility should lie on the promotion.
They let the fight continue when it was essentially illegal for Nick Diaz (http://bjpenn.com/mmanews/2011/02/02/ufc-fighter-nick-diaz-fan-page-12944.html) to fight. Forget that fact that a UFC employee had this knowledge, and replace the producer with a representative from the Athletic commission, with this kind of first-hand knowledge the fight would have been cancelled.
Nick will do what he does, and I am not saying there is anything wrong with smoking marijuana, but if the UFC had knowledge of this should they take part in the blame?
And what about the interviewer, he laughed off the notion and did no further investigating into the fact that a man who had spent the last two solid weeks with Diaz stated he was using.
I guess you could spin this a million different ways and point the finger in just as many directions, but with the recent news of Diaz failing his test, I thought I would share this quote and put it up for discussion.

[Krimzon7]

The UFC is liable for allowing a consistently disappointing person carry their banner. If any other guy no call no showed a main event pressed twice then failed a test shortly after, Dana would fuvking fire him

[Krimzon7]

You could def tell he was high during the fight.

.....yeah....

[Impact!]

Didnt he work out an agreement that he was allowed to smoke pot up until 6 or 3 weeks before the fight or something? I think it was after he pulled out of the Jay Heiron fight...and he was only given that allowence because he has a medical marijuana license or whatever? Dunno

[Impact!]

And I believe he's tested positive for marijuana in his system within a month of the fight, not on the night. Even Diaz isnt that stupid, c'mon.

[Kris P Lettus]

Lerenzo Fertittas said he won't be cut because of the failed drug test..

http://www.5thround.com/105942/ufc-boss-nick-diaz-will-not-be-cut-after-failed-drug-test/

[Krimzon7]

It's extremely disappointing to see that zuffa will not take a tougher stance against Diaz. But whatever, Diaz has been figured out, and I have zero faith that he will evolve as a fighter to stop people from controlling distance and out striking him.

[Crimson]

Why a tougher stance? It's not steroids. And he is a hot commodity right now. Yea he probably won't be a UFC champ but who cares, he brings in viewers.

[Krimzon7]

Why a tougher stance? It's not steroids. And he is a hot commodity right now. Yea he probably won't be a UFC champ but who cares, he brings in viewers.

A tougher stance because he failed two drug tests, no showed a third, and plays Hookie for press conferences. Tell me another fighter who'd get that kind of pass? Diaz fans =meh.

[Kris P Lettus]

Two failed drug tests for weed..not PED's..

[Next Big Thing]

A tougher stance because he failed two drug tests, no showed a third, and plays Hookie for press conferences. Tell me another fighter who'd get that kind of pass? Diaz fans =meh.

You're kind of stretching here Krim. The drug tests were for marijuana and Diaz missed two pre-pre-fight press conferences that fans didn't have access to and most wouldn't have even known were taking place if Dana didn't flip his shit and overreact. That fight sold out then and would sell out now without Diaz saying a word anyways.

I can understand him never getting a title shot because you need a reliable champion who can pass a piss test, but I don't see a reason for him to be cut. You have to remember that this isn't just a sport, it's a business and Diaz will be a bigger draw, make more money and be more exciting to watch than 95% of the other fighters on that roster.

[The Mask]

diaz has screwed himself here more than the ufc could. i mean yeah they could punish him but he has already screwed himself out of a potential title shot 3 times now (press conference, drugs in this last fight and the fact he had a rematch in the works before the drugs). i don't really have a problem though because it really isn't the same as roids or testosterone or any of that other stuff.

[Next Big Thing]

The other thing is, even if he does get suspended in Nevada, they could technically still do the fight in another state.

California would be the best bet. CSAC would look ridiculous if they denied him a license to fight for testing positive for marijuana in Nevada when he has a medical prescription for it issued to him from California.

[Krimzon7]

diaz has screwed himself here more than the ufc could. i mean yeah they could punish him but he has already screwed himself out of a potential title shot 3 times now (press conference, drugs in this last fight and the fact he had a rematch in the works before the drugs). i don't really have a problem though because it really isn't the same as roids or testosterone or any of that other stuff.

I totally understand your perspective. I just take a tougher stance considering his unreliable past. What's the probability that he will pull another 209 stunt, or WORST YET Condit exposed a way to beat him, and he refuses to evolve? Now you have a gatekeeper (essentially/potentially) making 200 racks to jerk curtains.

Of course, this is pure speculation.

[CSL]

absolutely speculation given Condit didn't really expose anything, instead just having more success with his "gameplan" than most have recently against Diaz. You're still talking like Condit convincingly won the fight. And I doubt you have to worry too much about their financial situation/Diaz's pay. He's still going to sell fights, even if he did somehow experience some kind of "career drop-off"

[Krimzon7]

absolutely speculation given Condit didn't really expose anything, instead just having more success with his "gameplan" than most have recently against Diaz. You're still talking like Condit convincingly won the fight. And I doubt you have to worry too much about their financial situation/Diaz's pay. He's still going to sell fights, even if he did somehow experience some kind of "career drop-off"

I do feel that condit convincingly won the fight (4 rounds to 1). Diaz did jack shit to counter condits gamelan. condit Literally landed hundreds of leg kicks( everybody who ever kick boxed knows that kicks score more than punches) but whatever, you're entitled to your opinions.

Again, Diaz's popularity cannot be denied. But as a business owner, it would take a shit ton of goodwill from this guy for him to even get close to a belt. With that being said... I doubt he could beat koscheck, ellenberger, fitch, Hendricks, alves...where does that leave him? Jerking curtains, that's where. And for 200 large per fight??? Nah homie, take that shit back to strikeforce. He's America's version of Fedor. Okay, he's not that bad. But it's funny to say

[CSL]

that's still pretty much all based on your own speculation, conclusions and opinions (and I have no idea what scoring in kickboxing has to do with MMA) you just appear to not like Nick Diaz very much. Which once again is fine, but an organization in the business of making money isn't really going to judge things on personal bias and opinion. And lol the Fedor comment, c'mon son

[Krimzon7]

that's still pretty much all based on your own speculation, conclusions and opinions (and I have no idea what scoring in kickboxing has to do with MMA) you just appear to not like Nick Diaz very much. Which once again is fine, but an organization in the business of making money isn't really going to judge things on personal bias and opinion. And lol the Fedor comment, c'mon son

Understanding how to score kicks is very important when you chose to score a fight. It's just as important as understanding how to score a takedown. I'm not quite sure where I ever stated that I like or dislike Diaz... As far as my opinion on the fight, I watched the same fight everyone else did. My view of the fight May be speculation(if that's what you're referring to-but who knows)... But my speculation aligns with fight metric, and three Nevada judges who thought condit won.

At the end of the day, the money invested into Diaz isn't mine or yours, so I will continue to watch his fights, and I will be sure to watch him fare against the WW division, if he doesn't retire.

[Next Big Thing]

I totally understand your perspective. I just take a tougher stance considering his unreliable past. What's the probability that he will pull another 209 stunt, or WORST YET Condit exposed a way to beat him, and he refuses to evolve? Now you have a gatekeeper (essentially/potentially) making 200 racks to jerk curtains.

Of course, this is pure speculation.


You know you're my dude Krim, but you're driving me nuts with your analysis.

Yes Condit outstruck Diaz, but look closer at the FightMetric totals. The only reason that was so is because Condit outstruck Diaz by a margin of 68 to 6 in terms of leg kicks. Diaz landed more strikes to the body and head. If Diaz checked half of those leg kicks, Condit would have lost the fight. It's not like he went out and dismantled Diaz in all facets of MMA or exposed glaring holes in his game.

[Krimzon7]

You know you're my dude Krim, but you're driving me nuts with your analysis.

Yes Condit outstruck Diaz, but look closer at the FightMetric totals. The only reason that was so is because Condit outstruck Diaz by a margin of 68 to 6 in terms of leg kicks. Diaz landed more strikes to the body and head. If Diaz checked half of those leg kicks, Condit would have lost the fight. It's not like he went out and dismantled Diaz in all facets of MMA or exposed glaring holes in his game.

What am I saying wrong here? You're right, had Diaz checked the kicks the fight would've been closer! If Diaz would've cut off condits angles he would've landed more shots, if Diaz took condit down sooner and more often he could've used his BJJ skills. I agree whole heartedly. The fact is, he flat out didn't do that. the refusal to adapt to condits gameplay is a glaring hole if that becomes a pattern. So the question is why did he have such a tough time adapting? Are leg kicks his kryptonite(like rampage)? If he's fallen in love with stalking and slap boxing, if he refuses to work on cutting off angles, if he's neglected his jits, then he has a tough road to hoe in the ww division. It has always been said that he has trouble against wrestlers (like Kos, Fitch, et all) now there should at least be some raised eyebrows as to what a talented striker can do against him.

[Next Big Thing]

What am I saying wrong here? You're right, had Diaz checked the kicks the fight would've been closer! If Diaz would've cut off condits angles he would've landed more shots, if Diaz took condit down sooner and more often he could've used his BJJ skills. I agree whole heartedly.The fact is, he flat out didn't do that. the refusal to adapt to condits gameplay is a glaring hole if that becomes a pattern.

I hate to torture the point, but I think you're jumping to conclusions based on one fight that wasn't all that lopsided when you consider the fact that Condit's only advantage as a "talented" striker was in leg kicks. Diaz out struck him in every other aspect, so bringing up not cutting angles and all that other what if stuff is a bit extra.

He only attempted 3 takedowns and they were pretty half assed. It's not like Condit was stuffing them all night and Condit wasn't putting him on his back or outwrestling him either considering Condit attempted 0 takedowns, so you can't make the conclusion that Condit somehow neutralized his BJJ or presented a threat on the ground that deterred Nick from using it.

And again, it's not like Condit's game plan was so overwhelming that other fighters are going to see that as the key to success since all Condit's game plan earned him was a rematch against Diaz.

So the question is why did he have such a tough time adapting? Are leg kicks his kryptonite(like rampage)? If he's fallen in love with stalking and slap boxing, if he refuses to work on cutting off angles, if he's neglected his jits, then he has a tough road to hoe in the ww division. It has always been said that he has trouble against wrestlers (like Kos, Fitch, et all) now there should at least be some raised eyebrows as to what a talented striker can do against him.

Why are you assuming it was a matter of him not being able adapt or him having some kind of weakness in his jiu jitsu? I said it earlier, Diaz's biggest weakness isn't his skill set, it's his stubbornness. He'd rather brawl than grapple. It's why he chose to stand and trade with Paul Daley rather than take him to the ground. Same thing for his fights against one dimensional strikers like Scott Smith and K.J. Noons. He'd rather box, whereas in the case of Rampage, I don't think he ever took the time to hone his other skills. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's nothing really new with Diaz and not really an indictment of his abilities.

Go watch the Cyborg Santos fight where he was kicking the shit out of Nick's legs and he refused to check them. The only reason he arm barred Santos was because the opportunity was blatantly there, otherwise he'd probably have kept the fight standing.

I also don't know where it's always been said that Diaz has trouble against wrestlers. The only wrestler I know that he faced and lost to was Sherk 7 years ago and he was probably roiled up at the time so that assertion isn't accurate and there's nothing in this fight to substantiate it.