Am I the only one who listens to Black Metal here?

[Pintint]

It seems so...I dont really see anyone else discuss BM bands here...

So, is it only me?

If not, lets discuss BM in this thread :y:

[Shisen Kopf]

Let's not.

[Shaved Monkey]

I don't mind the heavy stuff but I have no idea what would be considered black metal.

If it's all growly and they don't enunciate I'll pass.

[Gertner]

Pintint BM's all over his stuffed animals and fucks them.

[Indifferent Clox]

I love wolves in the throne room and galoch an many other black metal.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Is black metal like that time Korn got a bunch of rappers to portray them in one of their videos?

[Kris P Lettus]

By "black metal" you mean like Body Count right??

[Mooияakeя™]

As in Spellbound by Dimmu Borgir?

[DLVH84]

Living Colour?

[The Mask]

depends how kvlt it is.

[The Destroyer]

I listen to plenty of it, but you make me uncomfortable, so I won't be discussing it with you.

[Pintint]

Wikipedia has it defined pretty well,


Black metal is an extreme (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Extreme_metal) subgenre of heavy metal music (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Heavy_metal_music). Common traits include fast tempos, shrieked vocals, highly distorted guitars played with tremolo picking (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Tremolo_picking), blast beat (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Blast_beat) drumming, raw (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Lo-fi_music) recording, and unconventional song structure.

During the 1980s, several thrash metal (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Thrash_metal) bands formed a prototype for black metal. This so-called "first wave" included bands such as Venom (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Venom_(band)), Bathory (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Bathory_(band)), Hellhammer (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Hellhammer) and Celtic Frost (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Celtic_Frost).<SUP id=cite_ref-sam_0-0 class=reference>[1] (http://www.tpww.net/forums/#cite_note-sam-0)</SUP> A "second wave" arose in the early 1990s, spearheaded by Norwegian (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Norway) bands such as Mayhem (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Mayhem_(band)), Burzum (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Burzum), Darkthrone (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Darkthrone), Immortal (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Immortal_(band)) and Emperor (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Emperor_(band)). The music of the early Norwegian black metal scene (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_scene) became a distinct genre.

Black metal has often been met with hostility from mainstream culture, mainly due to the misanthropic (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Misanthropy) and anti-Christian (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Anti-Christian_sentiment) standpoint of many artists. Moreover, several of the genre's pioneers have been linked with church burnings (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Black_metal#Church_burnings) and murder (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Murder). For these reasons and others, black metal is usually seen as an underground (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Underground_music) form of music. Additionally some have been linked to neo-Nazism (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Neo-Nazism), however most black metal fans and most prominent black metal musicians reject Nazi ideology and oppose its influence on the black metal subculture


Usually the lyrics are either pagan/about nature/misanthropy or satanic.

Dimmu Borgir would qualify for Black Metal, but their later stuff has become more mainstream and therefore less creative...but I still like them.

Some of my favorite are Gehenna, Emperor, Immortal, Mistur, and Windir.

All the best bands in this genre, imo, are scandinavian, so it recieves little to no exposure in the US.

Some examples (cant seem to get the embed code to work)

http://youtu.be/EBh2-oqtXoo

http://youtu.be/U4G0mFGWssQ

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[stultiloquy]

I like Bathory, Suidakra, Celtic Frost, Morbid Angel and others...

[Cassidy]

No way man! Amon Amarth and Woods of Ypres ftw

[dronepool]

I like some black metal, but not a whole bunch. I like 1349, Kovenant, Thorns, some Emperor, Death (they're death metal but I love them) and the black metal influenced bands like Dimmu and Cradle.

I dig some Bathory, Dissection and a few others but not enough that I'd know albums I could always listen to.

[LuigiD]

Use to be really into the scene years ago.
Not so much anymore. Most bands are just clones. Still listen to a handful of bands. Mostly the classics.

[CSL]

bits and pieces. might be the most self-righteous/up it's own arse genre in music tho, even more than the full-on indie clowns

[Rammsteinmad]

Could someone explain the differences between Death Metal and Black Metal, using examples that actually make sense.

[Rammsteinmad]

Also, Progressive Metal > Black Metal. :p

[KIRA]

Depends on your definition of black metal

we talking Darkthrone or cradle of filth

[Kane Knight]

Distorted guitars? In Metal? Why, I've never heard such a thing!

[LuigiD]

Black metal prank call
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[Asmo]

*Raises Hand*

Started enjoying black metal only a couple of years back, and i think a lot of that had to do with watching Satyricon live. The chills and the abnormal vibe i experienced when they played "Mother North" had me rooted at the spot, scared shitless, and still wanting more and more of it.

That being said, i enjoy the drony-ness and the constant pummel of true Black Metal the most, although the new wave of post-black metal bands have also made the genre highly accessible, and dare i say it, a bit catchy and trendy as well.

Bands that i dig include Satyricon, 1349, Insomnium, Agalloch, Behemoth, Dornenreich, Fen, Drudkh, Enslaved, Gorgoroth, Ihsahn, Inquisition, Marduk, Mayhem, Melechesh, Nachymystium, Negura Bunget, Rotting Christ, Wolves In The Throne Room

[Pintint]

"Mushroomhead" is not Black Metal, it's "Nu-Metal", or pop metal or whatever.

Listening to a new CD I found online recently, Foudre Noure - The Dark Gods. Really cool stuff, its a sort of "space-rock black metal". Very atmospheric.

[Rammsteinmad]

What the fuck is 'Post-Black Metal'?

[Kane Knight]

"Mushroomhead" is not Black Metal, it's "Nu-Metal", or pop metal or whatever.


And surprise, it went right over Pintint's head.

[Rammsteinmad]

Just gonna add that every metal band can be placed in one of six subgenres: Traditional Heavy Metal, Progressive Metal, Power Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal and Alternative Metal.

Everything else overcomplicates the fuck out of it. As far as I'm concerned Black, 'Post-Black' and any other 'true Norweigen' nonsense etc would all go under 'Death Metal'.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

When I was in Sweden last year I popped into a "rock" music store. My God there were so many abstract genres, pretty sure 99% of them were made up.

Bunch of ridiculous nonsense like "Screamgore" and "Doomstep".

[MoFo]

Idk wut black metal is but I like this shit when it kicks in

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[Skippord]

I am a pretty big fan of "Screamgore" you guys

[Kane Knight]

Just gonna add that every metal band can be placed in one of six subgenres: Traditional Heavy Metal, Progressive Metal, Power Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal and Alternative Metal.

Everything else overcomplicates the fuck out of it. As far as I'm concerned Black, 'Post-Black' and any other 'true Norweigen' nonsense etc would all go under 'Death Metal'.

But you're not a pretentious douche, which is why you see needless complication as bad.

[DaveWadding]

http://hewgill.com/~greg/definitive-metal-family-tree.png

[Pintint]

Just gonna add that every metal band can be placed in one of six subgenres: Traditional Heavy Metal, Progressive Metal, Power Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal and Alternative Metal.

Everything else overcomplicates the fuck out of it. As far as I'm concerned Black, 'Post-Black' and any other 'true Norweigen' nonsense etc would all go under 'Death Metal'.


I disagree. There is a very big difference between Black and Death metal, Death is more distorted, and fast paced, basically, like Thrash only with growls, while Black is more melodic, slower paced, usually with a different vocal style. While Death metal has low, bass heavy growls, Black metal tends to have very "high" screams.

A more simplified analogy is to say that Death Metal is a heavier Thrash metal with distorted/growl vocals, while Black Metal is a depressive reflection of power metal.

I would say the genres are, Trash, Power, Death, Black and Doom. I see "nu- metal" as more relevant to pop music, than to any genre of metal.

[CSL]

I would say you're being a bender

[Pintint]

I would say you're being a bender

I can see how the different genres could sound the same to somebody who doesn't listen to metal, or didnt listen to it for a long enough time, but to somebody who follows the genre, there are very distinct and strong differences between these basic "core" genres.

[Vastardikai]

That list is flawed on SEVERAL levels.

[Rammsteinmad]

I disagree. There is a very big difference between Black and Death metal, Death is more distorted, and fast paced, basically, like Thrash only with growls, while Black is more melodic, slower paced, usually with a different vocal style. While Death metal has low, bass heavy growls, Black metal tends to have very "high" screams.

A more simplified analogy is to say that Death Metal is a heavier Thrash metal with distorted/growl vocals, while Black Metal is a depressive reflection of power metal.

I would say the genres are, Trash, Power, Death, Black and Doom. I see "nu- metal" as more relevant to pop music, than to any genre of metal.

The fuck you talking aboot? Both of those genres sound exactly the same.

[Rammsteinmad]

But you're not a pretentious douche, which is why you see needless complication as bad.

Fucking hate your posts. Can never tell if this is some kinda sarcastic shot at me, or legit. Tell me, and know that your answer will determine the outcome of whether or not you will get a green rep dot or a red one. :foc:

[Kane Knight]

Was playing it straight. The idea was more that the kind of people who need 9 million subgenres actually are pretentious douchebags.

[Rammsteinmad]

Cool, that's what I thought, just had to be sure. Enjoy your green dot.

[Pintint]

Fucking hate your posts. Can never tell if this is some kinda sarcastic shot at me, or legit. Tell me, and know that your answer will determine the outcome of whether or not you will get a green rep dot or a red one. :foc:

Once again, if you actually listened to the genres, as opposed to hearing bits and pieces here and there, you would see that the difference is very clear. Can you honestly say that these sound like the same genre?

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[LuigiD]

This thread reminds me of why I don't listen to black metal anymore.

[Rammsteinmad]

Once again, if you actually listened to the genres, as opposed to hearing bits and pieces here and there, you would see that the difference is very clear. Can you honestly say that these sound like the same genre?

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You should re-read my post you marooon. I wasn't talking to you, in fact I even quoted Kane Knight, whom I was talking to. :rofl:

But in response anyway, I only heard snippets and honestly, I don't care. They sound the same with the exception of Amon Amarth, but for all I know you've gone and picked out two songs from certain bands that are completely different and classed them as different genres.

It's like if I played a song by Shadow Gallery and Opeth. Neither sound anything like each other, but both could easily be classed as Progressive Metal. And then I could go into the whole overcomplicated bullshit like 'Shadow Gallery are traditional Prog Metal whilst Opeth are more of a Death-Prog-Core band' or some bollocks like that.

[Vastardikai]

I still think there should be a tour with Nile, Amon Amarth, and some band whose gimmick is based on Greek Mythology.

That way, we'd get a metal show and a history lesson at the same time.

[Kane Knight]

I still think there should be a tour with Nile, Amon Amarth, and some band whose gimmick is based on Greek Mythology.

That way, we'd get a metal show and a history lesson at the same time.

Kinda like Nordcore.

[Pintint]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

You should re-read my post you marooon. I wasn't talking to you, in fact I even quoted Kane Knight, whom I was talking to. :rofl:

But in response anyway, I only heard snippets and honestly, I don't care. They sound the same with the exception of Amon Amarth, but for all I know you've gone and picked out two songs from certain bands that are completely different and classed them as different genres.

It's like if I played a song by Shadow Gallery and Opeth. Neither sound anything like each other, but both could easily be classed as Progressive Metal. And then I could go into the whole overcomplicated bullshit like 'Shadow Gallery are traditional Prog Metal whilst Opeth are more of a Death-Prog-Core band' or some bollocks like that.

Just because you stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to even attempt to listen, doesn't mean there is no difference. Or, alternatively, just because you haven't listened to enough of each genre, doesn't mean there's no difference.

Its akin to an old person coming into this conversation and saying that all these styles, in addition to punk rock, glam rock and anything with an electric guitar, has the same sound and is all the same genre and style called "Rock" music.

Black Metal, especially Norweigean, has its own atmosphere. If you just listen to it in passing, hell, if you listen to any genre of music in passing, it can sound like a bunch of noise. But if you put the effort to actually listen and absorb the music, you will see the difference right away. Black metal is about painting an atmosphere, an atmosphere of harshness, and desolate misanthrophy. Black Metal is raw, attempting to recreate man's primordial reaction towards a cold world. Its not only the music, the instruments, that create this atmosphere and aim to pull those emotions out of you, but also the vocals and the lyrics.

Death metal on the other hand, is about pure ruthless agression.

But...if you don't want to even attempt to discern the difference and only listen to the genres in passing, you of course won't hear the difference.

[Kane Knight]

Or, alternatively, just because you haven't listened to enough of each genre, doesn't mean there's no difference.

And just because you assert a difference doesn't mean there is one.

[stultiloquy]

This thread reminds me of some co workers I had when I worked at Tower Records in high school.

[Rammsteinmad]

Just because you stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to even attempt to listen, doesn't mean there is no difference. Or, alternatively, just because you haven't listened to enough of each genre, doesn't mean there's no difference.

Its akin to an old person coming into this conversation and saying that all these styles, in addition to punk rock, glam rock and anything with an electric guitar, has the same sound and is all the same genre and style called "Rock" music.

Black Metal, especially Norweigean, has its own atmosphere. If you just listen to it in passing, hell, if you listen to any genre of music in passing, it can sound like a bunch of noise. But if you put the effort to actually listen and absorb the music, you will see the difference right away. Black metal is about painting an atmosphere, an atmosphere of harshness, and desolate misanthrophy. Black Metal is raw, attempting to recreate man's primordial reaction towards a cold world. Its not only the music, the instruments, that create this atmosphere and aim to pull those emotions out of you, but also the vocals and the lyrics.

Death metal on the other hand, is about pure ruthless agression.

But...if you don't want to even attempt to discern the difference and only listen to the genres in passing, you of course won't hear the difference.

Nah, they're the same. It'll take more than a bit of ambience or lyrical themes to convince me there's a need for more than one genre name.

[Iop]

Black metal sounds racist

[Shaved Monkey]

I was looking at that chart and I didn't see dark metal. Iis goth metal and dark metal the same thing?

[Rammsteinmad]

The only difference between Death and Black Metal is that I can read the band logos of Death bands.

[Kane Knight]

The only difference between Death and Black Metal is that I can read the band logos of Death bands.
:love:

[Pintint]

Nah, they're the same. It'll take more than a bit of ambience or lyrical themes to convince me there's a need for more than one genre name.

As you wish.

I see a clear difference, and I am not alone, as there are numerous metal enthusiasts who would agree that they are two different genres. Then there's also those who would throw all of the metal genres into "rock" and dont see any differences. I also know a person who puts everything aside from classical music into "pop." (He listens exclusively to classical music, referring to all modern forms of music as the same).
I am not trying to convince you of anything, but I think its pretty ignorant to make the statement that the two genres are the same.

I can't differentiate between say, hip hop and rap music, but since I dont get deep into those genres, I am not going to sit there and say, "Well I dont hear any difference, so hip hop and rap are teh saemz!!!".

[Kane Knight]

There are also metal fans who won't be happy until each band is broken down into its own completely distinct genre.

[Pintint]

There are also metal fans who won't be happy until each band is broken down into its own completely distinct genre.

True. I've argued the opposite as well, arguing that Amon Amarth is death metal and not "viking" metal.

[BigDaddyCool]

http://hewgill.com/~greg/definitive-metal-family-tree.png

White Zombie is not industrial, therefore this is shit.

[Kane Knight]

Plus, Type O Negative is clearly "Gothadelic."

[BigDaddyCool]

The more I look at that chart, the less accurate it is.

[Kane Knight]

In college, one of my theory professors kept calling Cobain Icelandic Death Metal.

Brilliant guy, but didn't really listen to anything published past 1963.

Anyway, his estimation of Nirvana is only slightly worse than that chart.

[BigDaddyCool]

Nirvana is clear Swiss Death Metal. :roll: what a tool. While Tool is Mexican Pop Glam.

[Kane Knight]

Your mom is mexican pop glam.

[Vastardikai]

The more I look at that chart, the less accurate it is.

The labeling of Doom as "Stoner Metal" (which is a genre that is often used interchangeably with "Sludge Metal") is a big one. The absence of "Post-Punk," which had a much GREATER influence on Grunge is another big one. Also, the absence of "Sludge Metal" and it's influence on New Wave of American Heavy Metal is as well (Seriously, many of the bands are influenced by Clutch and/or Crowbar).

[Indifferent Clox]

Just picked up 5 metal albums
Wolves in the throne room: celestial lineage
Baroness: red album and blue record
40 Watt sun: inside room
And
Blut aus Nord: desanctification

[CSL]

alrighty then

[Asmo]

Bumping to self promote.

http://solar-deity.bandcamp.com/

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

I have never really liked Black metal; I am more of thrash/grindcore/sludge-stoner/metalcore (non sucky kind)-kinda guy.

[Skippord]

just re-read this

Doomstep sounds fucking badass

[The Condor]

Check out Alestorm and Swashbuckler. Due to the fact that they have pirate themes/gimmicks (which are great and the music is fine) they label themselves as "pirate metal." I think this is the basic problem with metal, everything has to be specifically labeled so it is considered easier for the consumer to access it. IT's stupid as fuck, but it is what it is.

[Pintint]

Bumping to self promote.

http://solar-deity.bandcamp.com/

Good stuff there...

[Asmo]

Bumping to self promote.
Our band, Solar Deity, released its third EP yesterday. Check it out.
http://mehtakyakehta.com/2013/09/01/devil-worship/

And if you'd rather stream, click: http://solar-deity.bandcamp.com/

[Blonde Moment]

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