is sara del ray the best american womens wrestler of time?

[Indifferent Clox]

Vids to come.


Conflict of interest: she was trained by Bryan danielson.

[Destor]

I love her dearly, but Trish wins it. she was drawing on par with men and could work, no woman has ever done this in amaerica outside of her.

workrate tho...yes.

[Triple Naitch]

I only judge women wrestlers based on their looks. Maryse is the best womens wrestler of all time.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I only judge women wrestlers based on their looks. Maryse is the best womens wrestler of all time.

Same, but with Stacy Keibler.

[Triple Naitch]

Stacy is the second greatest womens wrestler for me. Trish is third.

[Wolfpack423]

I would say yes!!! Sara Del Rey is really amazing and I have never seen a match of hers that was just average to be honest. I've seen most of her matches. Every Shimmer match she has had I've seen and I've seen her matches with Claudio Castagnoli and Mike Quackenbush and both were good. She is the American Angel and really knows how to do everything.

[Indifferent Clox]

Wolfpac 423 is 423 yr area code? I live in TN too. I met a dude at a chikara shoe who travelled around to see all the shimmer shows. Was that you?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

In addition to the great analysis done by Triple Naitch and Iginfest, I would also say that Velvet Sky and Maria are better female wrestlers than Sara Del Ray as well.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also remember that chick who was an interviewer on NXT for like a month? Fantastic women's wrestler.

[XCaliber]

Not seen a lot of her matches but from what I've seen she is definetly has the talent I just wish the WWE signed her to a deal then i'd have a reason to watch Diva matches for more than just the eye candy.

[Indifferent Clox]

I met and talked with Sara a bit. She's really nice and gorgeous

[Nicky Fives]

never been in WWE, or TNA for that matter..... no chance in being the best ever......

[DLVH84]

Sorry, wrestling ability is equally as important as looks, as far as women wrestlers go.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Sorry, wrestling ability is equally as important as looks, as far as women wrestlers go.

lol fag!

[Skippord]

Sorry, wrestling ability is equally as important as looks, as far as women wrestlers go.
so looks are more important for male wrestlers

FAGGOT!

[Avenger]

Wolfpac 423 is 423 yr area code? I live in TN too. I met a dude at a chikara shoe who travelled around to see all the shimmer shows. Was that you?

How much do you guys wanna bet that Clox ends up sucking this guy's dick?

[Wolfpack423]

Wolfpac 423 is 423 yr area code? I live in TN too. I met a dude at a chikara shoe who travelled around to see all the shimmer shows. Was that you?

No it's my birthday. I unfortunately have never gotten a chance to see Shimmer live. I've watched it via DVDs and videos online, but I have gotten a chance to see almost every Sara Del Rey match in Shimmer. I also am a huge fan of Cheerleader Melissa (who is the current Shimmer champion) and MsChif.

[Razzamajazz]

only if she has tig ol bitties

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Velvet Sky

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I will not disclose where I want to put that thumb in her.

[Ruien]

I really wish they never came up with the idea of female wrestling.

[Destor]

No it's my birthday. I unfortunately have never gotten a chance to see Shimmer live. I've watched it via DVDs and videos online, but I have gotten a chance to see almost every Sara Del Rey match in Shimmer. I also am a huge fan of Cheerleader Melissa (who is the current Shimmer champion) and MsChif.

<3 melissa

[DLVH84]

lol fag!

so looks are more important for male wrestlers

FAGGOT!

For both male and female wrestlers, in-ring ability is the atmost important. Don't try to twist my words, Skippy and Olajuwon. And besides, I'm not gay like you two homophobes.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Oh snap.

[Volare]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2-7AdSkZA7I/S2Mf6tL1wvI/AAAAAAAAY6A/A8BNHq7Ub9E/s400/Trish+Stratus-wrestling+news+and+rumors.jpg

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[Anybody Thrilla]

I'm gonna have to agree with Volare.

[XCaliber]

Last time I checked Trish Stratus was from Toronto just sayin.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Doesn't matter. She transcends origin.

[Anybody Thrilla]

She's also the best Polynesian woman wrestler of all time.

[Indifferent Clox]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aG2SlNaAbsM/TNH2PZtAKfI/AAAAAAAAADM/DgmaxANam-s/s1600/ShyAngels.jpg

[Indifferent Clox]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WjExvfyrAeU/Tj3c1YXClYI/AAAAAAAAAQE/5TUxC5G1lc0/s1600/MLWOct2010B+032.JPG

Also this is the dude I met at chikara with her-http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yugcELGfV4Q/Tj3cqHrtrcI/AAAAAAAAAQA/tAwxG1fE1LA/s1600/MLWOct2010B+295.JPG

And as promised:
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dx-kzzpbMi-E&v=x-kzzpbMi-E&gl=US

Not sure how to embed. sorry dudes. maybe a mod could help

[Indifferent Clox]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=QX3OnuR3Xms

Less generic. Set

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'd love to help you embed, but those links go to nowhere in particular.

[Triple Naitch]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WjExvfyrAeU/Tj3c1YXClYI/AAAAAAAAAQE/5TUxC5G1lc0/s1600/MLWOct2010B+032.JPG


EWWWWW

[Indifferent Clox]

Its because they are mobile versions. Remove the m. Maybe.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

She's def not "gorgeous". I mean, she's not a demon or anything but let's save "gorgeous" for the real womens wrestlers like Trish, Stacy and Maryse.

[whiteyford]

Bertha Faye

[Gertner]

Wrestling in front of 50 fat virgins in high school gyms = bush leager for life.

[Destor]

Last time I checked Trish Stratus was from Toronto just sayin.
she wrestled in the states thats really all that matters

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Now she teaches Yoga in Downtown Toronto, lucky us lol.

[Gertner]

Del Ray is also a fat ass.

[Destor]

Now she teaches Yoga in Downtown Toronto, lucky us lol.
so jelous :mad:

[dingdongyo]

this chick's pretty good: http://youtu.be/E9obAE2w26Y

look at her sell that backbreaker.

[stultiloquy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/mamodan/daff.jpg

[CSL]

fuck outta hereeeee

[MoFo]

Uh, nah, ugly.

[Rammsteinmad]

No one cares about womens wrestling.

But the answer is Trish.

[Volare]

Looks like we got a winner

DING

http://www.inflexwetrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/trish.jpg


DING

http://www.allwrestlingdivas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/wwe-diva-trish-stratus-5.jpg


DING

http://www.sexywrestlingbabes.net/Pictures/Trish-Stratus/Trish-Stratus-0086.jpg

[dingdongyo]

I really wish they never came up with the idea of female wrestling.

what i hate about it is that character development for female wrestlers (in wwe anyway) is severely pigeon-holed, and it makes it fucking boring. everything is centered around the fact that they are chicks. there are hot chicks, bitch chicks and psycho chicks. that's it. no "diva" ever has personality or inspiration beyond that. so why the fuck would we care?

gail kim titantron 2003/2004 (http://youtu.be/yM0t4fK2Z14)

^ i loved this idea. a matrix gimmick which matched what she was physically capable of with all her aerial twisting armbar shit. and i could think of a million interesting storylines that could be enhanced by and even centered around the visions she would have, being someone that saw through the matrix that the rest of us assclowns couldn't.

point being, it was an interesting character, unique to the ring at the time. and the fact that she is female would be secondary.

bad wrestlers can still be fun to watch if they are entertaining in some other way. all these "divas" get to bring to the show are their tits and asses. sure, it fun, but only in spurts (ba-dum, chh). there's no reason to develop any connection at all. how boring would the men's division be if it was just a bunch of male strippers?

while trish was a huge star, i think her influence was a catalyst in ostracizing the female division as a separate, lesser entity with only sex appeal to offer, and thus partially to blame for the shitty condition it's in today.[/rant]

[My Final Heaven]

I'll probably get some reaming for this, but I havn't been able to get the kind of female wrestler created by Melissa and refined to what it is today by Kong & Del Ray. Chubby, doesn't sell a lot, most of their offense is ridiculous power moves. I mean, I can get that they've been built up because they hardly ever lose and they throw everybody else around like ragdolls, it's like a gender-flipped Brock Lesnar thing. C'mon, tho, the amount of Best in the world!!1!!! hype they get for doing the same damn thing every night? :-\ There's at least 10 women on the American scene I'd put above these 3 that can have awesome matches with people their own size, based on actually working a good match.

what I'm trying to say - Just like I can't eat Steak every night, I do enjoy a round of "OMG WATCH THE BIGGER GIRL KILL THE LITTLE ONE" every once in a while; but not every match.

[Dukelorange]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2-7AdSkZA7I/S2Mf6tL1wvI/AAAAAAAAY6A/A8BNHq7Ub9E/s400/Trish+Stratus-wrestling+news+and+rumors.jpg

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Thank you

[Indifferent Clox]

You need to see her matches against Japanese women wrestlers if you think Sara del Rey is in anyway a gender reversed brick lesnar. She is technically savvy remember she was trained by Bryan fn danielson so she can go. She even wrestles guys to great matches. Ignorance

[Skippord]

in fairness she basically is a guy

[BollywoodSingh]

Now she teaches Yoga in Downtown Toronto, lucky us lol.

I don't know if you're from the Toronto area or not, but her studio isn't in Downtown Toronto. It's in Vaughan, right by Canada's Wonderland.

[Gerard]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/4600/454178-trish_stratus_sexy_back_door__thong__8x10_signed___382.jpg

http://www.palzoo.net/file/pic/gallery/6047_view.jpg

:drool:

[CSL]

2 fine examples of top notch world class women's wrestling from Gerard right there

[Gerard]

Dunno about wrestling, but it musta been a struggle to get that thong back out again.

[Innovator]

http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/76/dd/40dfd08c44639a10b71e2ba7ff46.jpeg

http://girlsinyogapants.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/trishstratusy.jpg

She's still an awesome wrestler.

[Gerard]

^ I wonder how ofetn she gets to practise those moves these days....

[Vastardikai]

Also, the idea of anyone being the best female wrestler of all time is a joke when both Fabulous Moolah AND Mae Young existed.

[Destor]

Also, the idea of anyone being the best female wrestler of all time is a joke when both Fabulous Moolah AND Mae Young existed.

neither of them could draw like the men could...but trish did. neither of them could out work the men...but trish could. neither of them could cut a decent promo...trish could cut a damn good one. neither could work baby and heel...trish could.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Also neither of them looked like Trish.

[DaveBrawl]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/mamodan/daff.jpg

Stultiloquy knows what's up.

[thecc]

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/m/miayim/05.jpg

[Vastardikai]

neither of them could draw like the men could...but trish did. neither of them could out work the men...but trish could. neither of them could cut a decent promo...trish could cut a damn good one. neither could work baby and heel...trish could.

One of my issues with this is the need to cut a decent promo. That wasn't ALWAYS a necessity until the '80s to '90s. Hell it wasn't really a necessity until the '70s for most MEN. As far as "drawing like the men," that is a different animal altogether. For a long time, women wrestlers couldn't work at events with men in the audience.

That's like saying Trish couldn't legit take down a woman who was looking to shoot on her... Mae and Moolah could.

I'm not saying that Trish isn't a good worker. Hell, she's a great one. I just think Moolah and Mae are better.

[Destor]

One of my issues with this is the need to cut a decent promo. That wasn't ALWAYS a necessity until the '80s to '90s. Hell it wasn't really a necessity until the '70s for most MEN.the good ones have ALWAYS been able to talk people into the seats. well before the 70s. the only thing thats changed is how they talk them into said seats.

As far as "drawing like the men," that is a different animal altogether. For a long time, women wrestlers couldn't work at events with men in the audience.pretty irrelevent. people paid to see trish. they did not pay to see moolah outside of the freakshow draw.

That's like saying Trish couldn't legit take down a woman who was looking to shoot on her... Mae and Moolah could.this has nothing to do with working so imma skip it.

I'm not saying that Trish isn't a good worker. Hell, she's a great one. I just think Moolah and Mae are better.your call.

[Dat Fool Train]

I'm gonna throw in Lita in this discussion.

[Captain of Fun]

If you are talking total package, i.e. wrestling ability, looks, promo work, then I have to go with Trish with Beth Phoenix at a VERY close second.

As far as pure wrestling ability goes, there are countless others that are superior to those two.

[Destor]

I'm gonna throw in Lita in this discussion.

you can have her back

[Jordan]

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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MiwPgp1u2H0/TxlIuBZXoDI/AAAAAAAALEY/0flJPtSOXEE/s1600/Trish-Stratus.jpg

[CSL]

now Sunny was an outstanding female wrestler, top 5 all time for sure

[Hanso Amore]

Much better than Sara Del Ray

http://wrestling.topbuzz.com/pictures/d/1192-1/dawn+marie+wwe_divas_undressed_dawn_2.jpg

[DAMN iNATOR]

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[DAMN iNATOR]

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[BollywoodSingh]

neither of them could draw like the men could...but trish did. neither of them could out work the men...but trish could. neither of them could cut a decent promo...trish could cut a damn good one. neither could work baby and heel...trish could.

No way could Trish Stratus out work the men.

[Triple Naitch]

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/m/miayim/05.jpg

Is that Funaki?

[CSL]

innnnn-deeeeeeeeddddddd

[Dukelorange]

The divas need a chance to develop decent storylines and more time to actually wrestle... Trish has oppertunities that the other Divas dont get now. What was the last good Diva angle, Kharma? Santino and Beth? LayCool?

[Destor]

No way could Trish Stratus out work the men.

you would be wrong