The world title scene for this WrestleMania is bad

[Savio]

For Wrestlemania standards atleast, and I am not walking about the star power or wrestling ability of the competitors. I am talking about the actual storylines.

Historically

1999: 12 (or 15 according to others) month build with Austin vs McMahon as the overriding storyline
2000: Triple H had problems with both Rock and Foley ever since he took control of the company, Big show stated he would eliminate rock from the rumble and did while eliminating himself.
2001: Rock/Austin II. That build was kinda short too however from what I remember.
2002: Triple H vs Steph for the WWE title was build ever since his return
2003: Brock was feuding against Paul Heyman for screwing him out of the title when Angle sided with Paul that put him in Brocks sights.
2004: HHH and HBK have been feuding forever, some other jobber was thrown in the mix.
2005: Batista expressed interest in the WHC upon hearing the stip that the winners of the Survivor Series match would each run raw for a night. HHH tried to persuade him away to the WWE title.
2006: short build aswell
2007: Surprisingly the ECW championship match was the biggest title fight going into wrestlemania with the battle of the billionaires going on ever since Vince mocked the Trump/Rosie feud on Raw.
2008: Orton/Cena were feuding ever since Orton punted Cenas dad in his head and then I think he injured him too.
2009: I believe Orton was against the McMahons for quite some time before RKOing steph to piss off HHH.
2010: Cena was feuding with Vince over how he treated Bret Hart. Vince brings in Batista to take out Cena.
2011: Short as well but Cena/Miz seemed like it had more build up that any of these other title match this year.

[Fox]

Just adds to the point that WWE is terrible at long term booking these days and rarely looks more than a month or two in advance, even in regards to their biggest story lines and championship title fights. Gone are the days of a 6-month story line leading to a major pay off match.

Now, arguably, the Chris Jericho/CM Punk storyline has been brewing since CM Punk's big turn this past summer and his declaration that he is the Best in the World. But y'know, not really.

At least we have to give WWE credit for building Cena/Rock for a year now, even if the build has been pretty much non-existent. When your ADHD infected child manages to finish his 10-page essay on time, you have to give him a little praise.

[Frank Drebin]

In all fairness, you are just picking one of the uppercard matches per show. Dosent mean that this is a trend. You point out cena/rock but the HHH/Taker match has arguably been a year long build as well.

Look, the writers are tasked with creating multiple major storylines for, what is it - 14 PPVs in a 12 month span? The days of the big four are gone in order to capitalize on revenue. They should cut it down to 8 or 9 as the current product has passed the point of the law of diminishing returns, but as long as they are turning a profit, we get PPV overload and aspects to the product such as story lines will suffer.

Back to the point - Could it be better? Yes. But just remember that if its storytelling you want, no promotion is better than WWE. It's not the build they have issues with, its the payoffs (see: Kane/Cena if that was indeed the end). If you want shitty builds to your stories, go watch TNA where feuds last three weeks and half the time you don't even know what a good portion of the card is to a PPV 72 hours prior.

[Kane Knight]

I'd like to add that this is pretty much the first time in at least modern wrestling history that ratings are going down going into Wrestlemania. The period after the Rumble is usually the one time WWE can count on a ratings increase.

I know, I know, "who cares about ratings?" But the point remains, fewer people are watching going into the biggest event of the year. There are som sports events that can influence things, but not to this extent.

Looks like people can't care less.

[Mr. Pierre]

The Smackdown side seems very "thrown together", but it has also been bitten by the injury bug on a few occasions in the past few months. Bryan/Sheamus may be the weakest World Title match on Mania ever (on paper right now), but hopefully looking back at it, it'll be a match that will solidify both guys as stars at the same time.

Even though they are for non-title matches (so it's a bit off topic), but I really like the "Mania-to-Mania" booking that Taker's feuds have gotten over the past few years, as well as The Rock/Cena feud.

[Droford]

So they should have put the title on Cena then? You'd have gotten your 12 month build then..

[Wishbone]

Meh it is what it is. Honestly I'm looking forward to these matches more than last year so. *shrug*

[Droford]

lol was thinking..if Cena had the belt, he could do his best to try to lose on purpose to make the Rock miserable by winning the belt and having to stay around to defend it...

[Savio]

In all fairness, you are just picking one of the uppercard matches per show. Dosent mean that this is a trend. You point out cena/rock but the HHH/Taker match has arguably been a year long build as well.
Yeah but the point of the thread is for the world titles
lol was thinking..if Cena had the belt, he could do his best to try to lose on purpose to make the Rock miserable by winning the belt and having to stay around to defend it...
:lol: that would be pretty funny

[Jordan]

Over a month before Mania and we have booked the 4 top matches, and have a very good idea of the rest of the card. Sorry I think you are being a bit picky. Bryan and Sheamus can go back a year as well since we're streching.

The rating may be down but I be WM gets at or above 700 thousand buys.

[Big Vic]

Over a month before Mania and we have booked the 4 top matches, and have a very good idea of the rest of the card. Sorry I think you are being a bit picky. Bryan and Sheamus can go back a year as well since we're streching.

The rating may be down but I be WM gets at or above 700 thousand buys.
No offence but you would have to be crazy to think that the Bryan Sheamus feud started one year ago.

[Indifferent Clox]

They were set to have a match at last years mania. They didn't. Now its sheamus v Bryan in the title match.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

This isn't the same feud. Don't be daft.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Long builds are dangerous thanks to injuries and potential deaths. Just saying...

[Kane Knight]

They were set to have a match at last years mania. They didn't. Now its sheamus v Bryan in the title match.

You know, the Rock and John Cena both used the same restroom once six years ago. Holy shit, this could be the longest feud win WWE history!

[Destor]

the title matches arenr the main event cena rock is and its build has been going on for a couple of YEARS. thread is completely invalid.

[Iop]

Yeah I dont think I can be any more uninterested in Daniel Bryan/Sheamus than I am now.

[CSL]

without reading any of the posts and having only read the title and the first 2 sentences, it's a one match show and has been since last Mania. Not to mention the title matches themselves will also probably be very good. Don't see why it matters.

[DLVH84]

Jericho vs. Punk is very interesting.

[Londoner]

Jericho vs. Punk is very interesting.

Can't wait, but as much as i like Punk, the Jericho mark in me will be hoping Jericho wins.

[Chavo Classic]

Six weeks is plenty of time. The build-up for the main-event of Wrestlemania 17 was done in that period and it was one of the best in history. Although it did happen to feature two of the biggest names in history.

[Hanso Amore]

This is the first WM in history that will have two matches billed to the Main Event over the titles matches. and that is GREAT by me.

[Hanso Amore]

Your complaint is that we get to see

- A One time Battle between two big names that is a year in the making.

- The possible last match of two of the biggest stars in the last 20 years. Inside a Hell in a Cell. With the Streak on the line, with a long build up.

- One of the Best Workers of all time against the current Top Face in the company.

- An IWC Darling against the Royal Rumble winner.

Going to be a good mania.

[whiteyford]

Still talk of a MITB or 8 man tag, if they go with Phoenix Vs Kharma as the Diva match then i dont really see a bad match on the show.

[Emperor Smeat]

I think its because they've treated the recent Manias as a multiple main event show. They probably think there is no urgency in having the Raw title match being built strongly when they have the other title match and Undertaker's streak as other ways to generate the real hype for the show.

Jericho vs Punk should be great but the past few years the WWE has gotten into the habit of only really focusing on building up hype for the Raw title match within a couple of weeks of Mania itself.

This year should be better since the teasing towards Punk vs Jericho has started since Jericho's return and its not like the WWE is completely ignoring Jericho like they did to the Miz until very close to Mania last year.

[Hanso Amore]

There is still 5 weeks of build up to. This thread screams premature.

[XL]

Jericho vs. Punk is very interesting.
Calling it now: Sheamus v Bryan will be better than Jericho/Punk.

[Kane Knight]

There is still 5 weeks of build up to. This thread screams premature.

Yeah, I bet in 5 weeks they can manage a buildup of several months.

[DLVH84]

Calling it now: Sheamus v Bryan will be better than Jericho/Punk.

Both matches are very good choices. I hope they put on great wrestling clinics.

[Gertner]

Daniel Bryan is probably the worst champion since the Great Khali.

[Droford]

Jack Swagger?

[Corndad]

Bryans been the most entertaining World champion in a while. I say with the lead up these next 5 weeks, everything will be fine.

[Savio]

the title matches arenr the main event cena rock is and its build has been going on for a couple of YEARS. thread is completely invalid.
Half of the people in this thread do not read.

The world title scene for this WrestleMania is bad.
The world title scene for this WrestleMania is bad.
The world title scene for this WrestleMania is bad.
The world title scene for this WrestleMania is bad.
The world TITLE scene for this WrestleMania is bad.

[Savio]

Your complaint is that we get to see

- A One time Battle between two big names that is a year in the making.

- The possible last match of two of the biggest stars in the last 20 years. Inside a Hell in a Cell. With the Streak on the line, with a long build up.

- One of the Best Workers of all time against the current Top Face in the company.

- An IWC Darling against the Royal Rumble winner.

Going to be a good mania.
Your first 2 points are not what I was talking about at all.
Secondly, Bryan vs Sheamus just started and can only get a basic PPV build now.
Lastley, Imagine how much better the Punk/Y2J feud would have been if, instead of doing nothing for 4 weeks Jericho actually came back and said that he was the best in the world and promo'd against punk.

[JKWJRMON]

Best match of the night will be the Hell in a Cell. I expect some crazy shit to happen!

[Destor]

Half of the people in this thread do not read.

The world title scene for this WrestleMania is bad.
The world title scene for this WrestleMania is bad.
The world title scene for this WrestleMania is bad.
The world title scene for this WrestleMania is bad.
The world TITLE scene for this WrestleMania is bad.and again the world title doesnt have the spot light on it this year unlike every example you posted so this whole thread is pointless.

[Savio]

and again the world title doesnt have the spot light on it this year unlike every example you posted so this whole thread is pointless.



1999: 12 (or 15 according to others) month build with Austin vs McMahon as the overriding storyline TITLE FIGHT
2000: Triple H had problems with both Rock and Foley ever since he took control of the company, Big show stated he would eliminate rock from the rumble and did while eliminating himself. TITLE FIGHT
2001: Rock/Austin II. That build was kinda short too however from what I remember. TITLE FIGHT
2002: Triple H vs Steph for the WWE title was build ever since his return. TITLE FIGHT
2003: Brock was feuding against Paul Heyman for screwing him out of the title when Angle sided with Paul that put him in Brocks sights. TITLE FIGHT
2004: HHH and HBK have been feuding forever, some other jobber was thrown in the mix. TITLE FIGHT
2005: Batista expressed interest in the WHC upon hearing the stip that the winners of the Survivor Series match would each run raw for a night. HHH tried to persuade him away to the WWE title. TITLE FIGHT
2006: short build aswell TITLE FIGHT
2007: Surprisingly the ECW championship match was the biggest title fight going into wrestlemania with the battle of the billionaires going on ever since Vince mocked the Trump/Rosie feud on Raw. TITLE FIGHT
2008: Orton/Cena were feuding ever since Orton punted Cenas dad in his head and then I think he injured him too. TITLE FIGHT
2009: I believe Orton was against the McMahons for quite some time before RKOing steph to piss off HHH. TITLE FIGHT
2010: Cena was feuding with Vince over how he treated Bret Hart. Vince brings in Batista to take out Cena. TITLE FIGHT
2011: Short as well but Cena/Miz seemed like it had more build up that any of these other title match this year. TITLE FIGHT

[Jordan]

Well seeing as The World Title was successfully defended and ended a program with Big Show at Elimination Chamber, and the Royal Rumble winner came out and made his decision right after the match, and continued the program in an interesting way with the Miz on Super Smackdown, I think your still speaking too soon. Could it be a blood feud that has waged for months? Yes, but it's the Rumble winner vs The Champion.

[Destor]

again savior eveything your saying is pointless no matter how many times you repeate it. you're bitching because the match you wish had the build doesnt. go cry about it then but it doesnt effect the show or the belts in the slightest.

[Kane Knight]

This is TPWW. And the wrestling forum to boot. Des, you should know by now that it's 98% crying here.

+/- 2% margin of error.

[JEPW]

I take the point that Sheamus vs. Bryan is not exactly a huge match on paper, but WWE have got to manage the dynamic of the card.

With Punk vs. Jericho, Hell in a Cell and Rock vs Cena, you've got three matches with the potential to bring the house down. Any and all of those matches could be match of the decade.

In other words, keep stacking the 'stellar' matches up and you'll get a dead crowd... they've only got so much juice in em. And dead WM crowds can ruin good matches; we've seen it before.

The WHC match will be perfect in this regard. You've got Bryan, who can make any match entertaining, and Sheamus, who, when he wins the belt, will have a WM moment to elevate him to superstardom. He's on the cusp of greatness already. But the crowd won't go so crazy that they stop caring what's next.

So yah. Works for me. WM looks amazing.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Jericho and Punk sells itself if you are a wrestling fan. If not then you can screw off and stop posting here.

[Savio]

I agree but it would have been cooler if it had a longer build.
again savior eveything your saying is pointless no matter how many times you repeate it. you're bitching because the match you wish had the build doesnt. go cry about it then but it doesnt effect the show or the belts in the slightest.
No shit, NOTHING I say on TPWW will ever affect the WWE ever.
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3778712&postcount=29

[Mr. Nerfect]

Part of me is still not sure that Randy Orton won't be included in the WrestleMania World Title match. Daniel Bryan was presented as the dude who gave him the concussion that kept him out of the Elimination Chamber -- it would make total sense for Theodore Long to slip Orton into the match to give it more "star power."

But Bryan and Sheamus could very easily be turned into a captivating main event. Imagine if Sheamus reminded Bryan that his only other title reign in the WWE was ended by him? Imagine if Bryan injured Sheamus heading into the PPV to give himself a body part to target. It seems they're trying to make it one of those personal feuds that I have no doubt will extend to Extreme Rules.

Taker vs. Triple H and John Cena vs. The Rock both have massive builds, too. Yeah, I know you said "title matches," but they're both going to be billed as main events, both over the title bouts, so it does render the point about the title matches pointless. And as far as Punk and Jericho go, I kind of like that they're just two guys that want to prove they are the best in the world. The most prestigious title in professional wrestling is being fought over by two of the best wrestlers in the world who are going to try and have the best wrestling match they can. How is that a bad thing? I know you weren't necessarily complaining, but Jericho's entire return has essentially been to come back for Punk and the WWE Title. Give them time to explain it.

[Destor]

I agree but it would have been cooler if it had a longer build.

No shit, NOTHING I say on TPWW will ever affect the WWE ever.
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3778712&postcount=29

so we all agree your argument is pointless. good.

[Savio]

Is this your first time ever using a message board? Or the Internet for that matter?

[Destor]

Is this your first time ever using a message board? Or the Internet for that matter?

no, but it might be the first time i've read one of your posts.

[Savio]

Or possibly any post for that matter? Since EVERYONE on the internet gives their opinion.

[Hanso Amore]

Just about every one of Survivors SUPPORT FACTS are shit, and lies. If you really look back at it they as well only had around 4-5 weeks of build.

[Savio]

Survive this! :foc:

[ace3025]

I don't really see the point in being upset that the title matches don't have enough build while other non title matches do. The titles themselves haven't meant anything to anyone, except mark Henry, this whole year. Henry is the only person that set his sights on becoming champion because he knew it would prove his dominance. Other than that, the feuds were all about taking down the other guy because of past issues. The fact that one of them was champ was *Meh.

So is it really a surprise that the focus isn't on the titles now, when it hasn't been all year?

[ace3025]

And bryan's title chase doesn't count because he simply cashed in his briefcase to win. Even his run is more about proving he shouldn't be an underdog