DTTS' Official Ask A Poster: DLVH84

[Swiss Ultimate]

Hi there. We either never or rarely interact. Let's alleviate this tragedy with an open interview.

1. Who is the greatest mind in professional wrestling today (ie. currently participating in the wrestling world)

2. Who is your all-time favorite wrestler?

3. What makes a good wrestling match for you?

4. What was the last live wrestling event you attended?

5. How many wrestlers do you know?

[Rammsteinmad]

Question number two will have 43 answers.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Only if he cheats.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Billy Gunn

[Swiss Ultimate]

Correct.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Really thought DLVH84 would have replied back by now.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh no

[#1-norm-fan]

DLVH84 is currently masturbating to this thread and the upcoming wrestling hipster-ness he is about to unleash on it.

[DLVH84]

1. I would say Verne Gagne, as he was the first man to have his territory break away from the NWA monopoly.

2. Flyin' Brian Pillman. Because he was way ahead of his time with the high-flying and the Loose Cannon persona.

3. It's complex to explain it, due to the various styles I've seen, but I would say a straight up match.

4. The last live event I ever went to was Bound For Glory in Atlanta in 2006.

5. I've met The Naturals, Ron Garvin, Alex Wright, and Chris Benoit.

[Destor]

i think you got no.1 wrong

[DLVH84]

I'm sure, the Midwest (AWA) was the first territory to break away from the NWA back in the 1950s.

[Destor]

the question was currently :o

[DLVH84]

I'd say Paul Heyman. He's very smart and knows what works in an angle, feud, etc, as long as it's not running the company financially. The same thing goes for Michael Hayes as far as booking goes.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'd say Paul Heyman. He's very smart and knows what works in an angle, feud, etc, as long as it's not running the company financially. The same thing goes for Michael Hayes as far as booking goes.

:y:

[Xero]

Paul Heyman is no longer in wrestling.

[DLVH84]

Paul Heyman is no longer in wrestling.

True, but when he was, he was a great booker.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'll accept it though since his website has wrestling articles on it.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

What was your favourite non-North American wrestling match from October 12th 1984?

[DLVH84]

I haven't started watching until 1988.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

My apologies, although it's a shame as I was hoping we could discuss Akira's debut in 1984 against Keiji Mutoh at a New Japan Pro Wrestling (NJPW) event in Saitama, Japan.

[CSL]

KEIJI-OH MUTOH-UHHHHH! MIST-AAAAAAAAHHHHH!

[Captain of Fun]

Keiji Mutoh is pretty great, to be fair.

[#1-norm-fan]

I've watched The Rise and Fall of ECW a lot lately so I'm partial to any mention of the greatness of Paul Heyman.

[Vastardikai]

Who would you rather have Chop you: Kenta Kobashi or Kensuke Sasaki?

[Skippord]

do you think you could beat up Mr. Fuji?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

While awesome in it's original incarnation, is the old AJPW King's Road style the worst thing to happen to wrestling?

[Indifferent Clox]

Give me a more full explanation of kings road and why you think it was bad for the industry please.

I think I have an understanding of kings road but I'd like to hear what you'd say it is.

[Captain of Fun]

Misiwa in the fucking grave, for one.

[Destor]

kings road works a lot like hardcore to be fair. you always end up trying to raise the bar until the only way to raising said bar is by doing 400 head drops a match.

[Destor]

in a long enough timeline it isnt viable

[Indifferent Clox]

Gotcha

[Swiss Ultimate]

One-two head-drops should finish a match. Four max if it's Undertaker or HHH.

[Indifferent Clox]

Depends on the length of the match but I'd say 5 or six is a good number. To be fair though, that would also limit the number of dead on head strikes. Like shouldn't be able to take more than 8 or so before yr knocked out. If they are precise.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Head-drops is not the same as head-strikes. And no, that's fucking ridiculous. One botched tombstone piledriver pretty much kills a guy, it's stupid to have a guy survive that many. How about focus on counters and actual mat-wrestling (or even top rope stuff) instead of risking paralysis by allowing some exhausted midget attempt to pretend drop you on your head and neck continuously while you no-sell it until it's no longer an option.

High risk used to mean something. Impact moves used to matter. Now brain-busters are about as common as restholds...fuck, THEY ARE RESTHOLDS.

[Indifferent Clox]

Ive landed on my head a number of times and not been injured. Yeah any of them could have been fatal but not at that exact angle obviously.

However I agree that it is an uneccesary risk. I think mat work and wrestling is much more important.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'm just tired of people fucking dying or getting concussions over this kind of shit.

[Indifferent Clox]

You Cn land on yr head from a backdrop, flapjack, northern lights, or belly to back release suplex. I mean they are letting seth rollins do the curb stomp in wwe, and that move fucking sucks. Oh and Vladimir kozlovs chokeslam with he leg is for some reason the stiffest bump.

[Indifferent Clox]

BTW I was talking in kayfabe about the strikes.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Ive landed on my head a number of times and not been injured.

Maybe not physically...

[Indifferent Clox]

Hey I don't think its affected me mentally. But probably has effected me mentally.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

It really just depends on whether or not you were borderline retarded before you began getting dropped on your head.

[Indifferent Clox]

Before? Began? Brother I am in a state of eternal headdrop. Still more intelligent than most of the population according to tests. But I don't know hoe much that means toward general intellect other than the ability to retain information. But anyone will think they are smart. Ones own intelligence is pretty hard to be honestly objective about.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Destor pretty much covered it. But the hard hitting style where guys basically "learn" from previous matches, which results in reversal/counter strings to get more intricate (which is cool), but also results in guys taking multiple big moves/finishers to go down, and also stronger versions of finishers.

I mean, in Dragon Gate I've seen guys kick out of Cima's Schwien off the top rope. I mean, come on.

And the problem now is, or at least recently, is that certain places in the American indy scene have bastardized it rally bad, so it's less about "learning" and building a story over time, and more about "let's hit each other really hard and have a ton of head dropping moves and finishes in a match that doesn't really need it."

So the reason I think it's bad in the long run is that instead of using psychology, it's disregarding psychology for fancy spots.

[Indifferent Clox]

I'd agree with that

[Rammsteinmad]

Getting dropped on your head = workrate.

[CSL]

Depends on the length of the match but I'd say 5 or six is a good number. To be fair though, that would also limit the number of dead on head strikes. Like shouldn't be able to take more than 8 or so before yr knocked out. If they are precise.

You Cn land on yr head from a backdrop, flapjack, northern lights, or belly to back release suplex. I mean they are letting seth rollins do the curb stomp in wwe, and that move fucking sucks. Oh and Vladimir kozlovs chokeslam with he leg is for some reason the stiffest bump.

what the fuck are you on about

[CSL]

how in the name of fuck has anybody anywhere ever landed on their head from a flapjack

[What Would Kevin Do?]

The curb stop Seth Rollins is doing is nowhere near as bad as the one Super Dragon does.

[Xero]

how in the name of fuck has anybody anywhere ever landed on their head from a flapjack

This is Clox we're talking about. He could probably land on his head from a headlock takedown.

[Indifferent Clox]

That's how great khali killed a dude. Not personally. But if you tuck yr head instead of turning to the side and taking a face bump, and yr high enough, instant death.

[whiteyford]

FFS Clox proof read your posts,especially the ones where you are claiming to be of above average I.Q. , and yr is not a word.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

This is Clox we're talking about. He could probably land on his head from a headlock takedown.

Clox lands on his head when putting his socks on.

[CSL]

That's how great khali killed a dude. Not personally. But if you tuck yr head instead of turning to the side and taking a face bump, and yr high enough, instant death.

and you were using it as some kind of defence that head-drops are okay, like it's "part of the business", which is complete bollocks

[Swiss Ultimate]

Recently watched Macho Man's first matches in the WWF...was so good. Not a single head-drop that I could see.

[Indifferent Clox]

I'm NT defending head drops, I'm just saying I take them. I usually try not to land on my head, and haven't during a match. But during training you take a bunch of different bumps. When you her a little advanced people wanna try different moves includ those which might end in a neck bump. If you practice neck bumps enough you will land on yr head.

[Indifferent Clox]

Hell Johny saint never bumps. But it doesn't mean I'm not gonna take em. Al snow doesn't blade, neither have I, doesn't meaning wont.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Who is Johny saint?

[Rammsteinmad]

Not gonna deny, I love Johnny Saint. He's an old British wrestler from the World of Sport days. His matches with Robbie Brookside and Steve Grey (both I think are on Youtube) were fucking incredible.

[CSL]

I'm NT defending head drops, I'm just saying I take them. I usually try not to land on my head, and haven't during a match. But during training you take a bunch of different bumps. When you her a little advanced people wanna try different moves includ those which might end in a neck bump. If you practice neck bumps enough you will land on yr head.

bullshit. I've taken a million backdrops, flapjacks, germans, piledrivers etc, more than a couple Northern Lights etc and I've been dropped on my head once ever, be it training or in a match and that was a complete clusterfuck involving a new guy making a mistake under instruction and mistiming. And fucking please "a little advanced" and "wanna try different moves", you sound like fucking kids with some indy tapes and access to a wrestling ring. You are a joke and an embarrassment.

[whiteyford]

Is English even your first language?

[whiteyford]

Not CSL obviously,his native tongue is Jive.

[CSL]

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/bee-gees-GD5791397.jpg

me in the middle :cool:

[CSL]

as if I just made a joke referencing Bee Gees lyrics

[Indifferent Clox]

Come on man. You've never hit yr head on the mat taking a back drop?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

This thread almost took a disco turn.

[CSL]

Come on man. You've never hit yr head on the mat taking a back drop?

not that I recall. I've landed on my arse, my legs, my feet, my hips, I've had my thighs collide in a mini-domnio effect and crush my nads etc. But not my head. Even so, that's not the point. Yes people can land on their heads accidentally/take the occasional bad bump etc. But you're saying "you take them", that stuff you practice regularly involves a situation where you could land like that/where it would be acceptable for that to happen. And that is fucking bullshit. That's the whole point. It's fucking laziness. It's taking short cuts. It's doing dumb reckless shit (and I mean shit) for the sake of doing dumb reckless shit to get a reaction. And it's so fucking widespread nowadays, especially amongst these skinny fucking mongs that are coming in every day to "learn to wrestle" because their latest Dragon Gate StiffHeadDropMania III tape is full of guys that look just like them and they wanna do that shit and the only thing they think you need to do to become/to be able to tell their friends that they're a "professional wrestler" nowadays is buy a pair of kickpads, the latest indy tape and go training with some clueless bellend once a week. It's fucking everywhere

[Skippord]

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/bee-gees-GD5791397.jpg

me in the middle :cool:
dear God their pants are enthralling

[Indifferent Clox]

Probably landed on my head maybe 3 times to clarify.

[Indifferent Clox]

Also I trained almost everyday and now I train 2-3 tines a week. I'm definetly getting better. My training partner is a 300 pound 6'7 black dude who played college football as a linebacker. Yeah.....

He's mad good though.

He's not training me though. My trainers have both been in the business 18 years.

[Rammsteinmad]

not that I recall. I've landed on my arse, my legs, my feet, my hips, I've had my thighs collide in a mini-domnio effect and crush my nads etc. But not my head. Even so, that's not the point. Yes people can land on their heads accidentally/take the occasional bad bump etc. But you're saying "you take them", that stuff you practice regularly involves a situation where you could land like that/where it would be acceptable for that to happen. And that is fucking bullshit. That's the whole point. It's fucking laziness. It's taking short cuts. It's doing dumb reckless shit (and I mean shit) for the sake of doing dumb reckless shit to get a reaction. And it's so fucking widespread nowadays, especially amongst these skinny fucking mongs that are coming in every day to "learn to wrestle" because their latest Dragon Gate StiffHeadDropMania III tape is full of guys that look just like them and they wanna do that shit and the only thing they think you need to do to become/to be able to tell their friends that they're a "professional wrestler" nowadays is buy a pair of kickpads, the latest indy tape and go training with some clueless bellend once a week. It's fucking everywhere

HEY!!!

I wear kickpads!

:foc:

[Rammsteinmad]

Also I trained almost everyday and now I train 2-3 tines a week. I'm definetly getting better. My training partner is a 300 pound 6'7 black dude who played college football as a linebacker. Yeah.....

He's mad good though.

I love how you specifically pointed out that he is a 'black dude'. :lol:

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I put my sister in the sharpshooter once, pretty sure that makes me as much of a wrestler as Clox.

[CSL]

Also I trained almost everyday and now I train 2-3 tines a week. I'm definetly getting better. My training partner is a 300 pound 6'7 black dude who played college football as a linebacker. Yeah.....

He's mad good though.

I was talking about in general as opposed to you when it comes to the training part, although with everything you say you certainly fit the bill.

And what do you mean "training partner"? As in, you only train with one guy?

HEY!!!

I wear kickpads!

:foc:

you aren't the first person even this week to say this to me when I go off. tbh plenty of guys wear kickpads who are great, Punk, Jericho, Van Dam, Edge etc, just like 90% that wear them elsewhere are shitttttt. That and I bought proper boots after like my 3rd match or something http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Rammsteinmad]

I have proper boots too. In fact, I bought them for my first match waaaaay back in 2003. :p

But I move better and feel more flexible with kickpads. And they look cooler.

[Rammsteinmad]

In fact, it's not the kickpads that annoy me, it's the thousands of indy guys that just wear baggy PVC shorts and a tank top. So CSL... what's your attire?

[CSL]

just remember how flexible and comfortable you feel when you Van Dam your ankle http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif and c'mon son, unless you have some bwadass kickpads to go with bwadass gear like Sabin/Punk/Gabriel, they don't look cooler at allll

[Rammsteinmad]

If you're referring to trunks... that's what I wear. Along with wrestling trainers with 'ankle supports'. My boots are in England, no way would I plan on buying another pair here in Germany, things seem to have gotten mad expensive over here.

[James Steele]

In fact, it's not the kickpads that annoy me, it's the thousands of indy guys that just wear baggy PVC shorts and a tank top. So CSL... what's your attire?

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2708/4453142730_d428c5ea39_z.jpg?zz=1

[Rammsteinmad]

Needs kneepads!!! :nono:

[CSL]

In fact, it's not the kickpads that annoy me, it's the thousands of indy guys that just wear baggy PVC shorts and a tank top. So CSL... what's your attire?

baggy pleathers are the worst, I'd use those as reference as opposed to kickpads but kickpads are far more prevalent.

and

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2708/4453142730_d428c5ea39_z.jpg?zz=1

If you're referring to trunks... that's what I wear. Along with wrestling trainers with 'ankle supports'. My boots are in England, no way would I plan on buying another pair here in Germany, things seem to have gotten mad expensive over here.

nah, I meant just guys that have clearly put some time/thought/spent some money on their gear, not any particular style

[CSL]

*random question for DLVH84*

[Rammsteinmad]

Just feel like listing this for the hell of it, all my wrestling attire/gear consists of:

3 pairs of trunks
1 pair of PVC shorts (but not the baggy ones, kinda like Jeff Jarretts)
1 pair of tights that I only wore once

1 pair of boots
1 pair of wrestling trainers
1 pair of kickpads (but gonna order some new ones with a design soon as mine are plain black)

2 pairs of elbow pads, but I only really use these for training
2 pairs of knee pads, one pair with velcro straps :cool:

And a few random things like wrists supports/straps/bands/tape etc.

I try to be as professional as I can. But I know what you mean, I've come across a lot of guys who wrestle in baggy shorts and a sports t-shirt whilst wearing biker boots, and they think of themselves as wrestlers.

[Indifferent Clox]

Right now mainly its just me and octavious black training with Dave Pillman. I also train with Evan Turner.

I have trained with large groups before as well. Just not so much ATM. Differnet schedules.

[Indifferent Clox]

I have some handmade tights that are awesome. I tried posting pics but ill have to figure it out at a time when I am less distracted. My boots I got off highspots.
Both are black andsilver. My tights have the jackass skull and crutches mixed with the punisher but its missing a tooth. One side is Gunmetal silver.

[Skippord]

Evan Turner the basketball player?

[James Steele]

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[CSL]

that would be the name of Kris P Lettus's finish

[CSL]

BOOM

YEAHHHHH

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[James Steele]

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[CSL]

thank you thank you :'(

please, stop

[Swiss Ultimate]

I put my sister in the sharpshooter once, pretty sure that makes me as much of a wrestler as Clox.

I put my kids in the Boston Crab and deliver a lot of Rock Bottoms, elbow drops etc.

By this logic they'll be in ROH by the time they hit puberty.

[James Steele]

Clox, correct my mark ass if I'm incorrect, but isn't one of the main points of "wrestling training" to learn how to make us think you are getting dropped on your head...when you actually aren't? I believe it was Jim Cornette who said "Wrestling used to be guys pretending to hurt each other and fans believed it, now guys are really hurting each other and fans don't believe it. Who is the fucking mark?"

[DLVH84]

Who would you rather have Chop you: Kenta Kobashi or Kensuke Sasaki?

I'd say Kobashi.

[DLVH84]

While awesome in it's original incarnation, is the old AJPW King's Road style the worst thing to happen to wrestling?

In the old days, there wasn't many dropping on their heads as many concieve. I believe it went into overdrive, as Baba started pushing the Famous Five (Misawa, Kawada, Taue, Kobashi, and Akiyama) in the 1990s.

[James Steele]

Kawada, Taue, and Akiyama were not even in the same breath at Misawa and Kobashi. That is like saying the WWF Attitude Era's "Famous Five" were Rock, Austin, Road Dogg, Val Venis, and Big Bossman.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Who were the WWF Attitude Era's "Famous Five"?

[James Steele]

Who were the WWF Attitude Era's "Famous Five"?


Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, 1-2-3 Kid

[Swiss Ultimate]

Didn't Kevin and Scott leave before Attitude started? I always figured it started a little after they left.

I'd say Triple H (as head of DX), Austin, Rock, Mankind and Vince McMahon.

[James Steele]

Didn't Kevin and Scott leave before Attitude started? I always figured it started a little after they left.

I'd say Triple H (as head of DX), Austin, Rock, Mankind and Vince McMahon.

They ran the entire industry.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Fair enough...but X-Pac was more in the same league as Billy Gunn and Road Dogg in my opinion.

[James Steele]

You know I'm messing with you right? It's part of my gimmick.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/TwistedSteeleEntertainment/LIVE-THE-GIMMICK.jpg

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Kawada, Taue, and Akiyama were not even in the same breath at Misawa and Kobashi. That is like saying the WWF Attitude Era's "Famous Five" were Rock, Austin, Road Dogg, Val Venis, and Big Bossman.

Nah, Kawada, Taue, and Akiyama are right up there. They weren't as huge, but as far as the company went, that's how the progression went.

[DLVH84]

Who were the WWF Attitude Era's "Famous Five"?

Austin, Rock, HBK, HHH, Undertaker

[James Steele]

Nah, Kawada, Taue, and Akiyama are right up there. They weren't as huge, but as far as the company went, that's how the progression went.

Cool. I was just being a twat to DLVH.

[Indifferent Clox]

Yes landing in yr head is not what you want. But it happens. Its happened to me three times I my career.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I think most people accept that yes, accidents happen, and you can land on your head. There's a huge difference between a bad bump because of an accident, and a bad bump because the move is specifically meant to drop you on your head. Moves like Chuck Taylor's Omega Driver, Super Dragon's move, and Prince Devitt's single underhook brainbuster are just bad.

[Destor]

One-two head-drops should finish a match. Four max if it's Undertaker or HHH.
never seen either of them ever take a head drop

[Destor]

One-two head-drops should finish a match. Four max if it's Undertaker or HHH.

Come on man. You've never hit yr head on the mat taking a back drop?
you might want to consider working your traps clearly you lack the strength to keep your chin tucked on impact

[Destor]

I think most people accept that yes, accidents happen, and you can land on your head. There's a huge difference between a bad bump because of an accident, and a bad bump because the move is specifically meant to drop you on your head. Moves like Chuck Taylor's Omega Driver, Super Dragon's move, and Prince Devitt's single underhook brainbuster are just bad.
to be fair the Awful Waffel is usally pretty smooth

[Indifferent Clox]

Most of the time I land fine. Just a couple times I didn't protect myself properly. or didn't reach full pivot.

[Vastardikai]

never seen either of them ever take a head drop

And Taker usually does one risky high spot a year at most. (Not counting "Old School," which is pretty damned safe all things considered.)

[VSG]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DLVH84!

[DLVH84]

Thank you.

[Swiss Ultimate]

never seen either of them ever take a head drop

I consider Tombstones and Pedigrees to be head-drops. DDTs done by certain people as well and double-arm DDTs of course.

[Swiss Ultimate]

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[Destor]

LOL

[Destor]

lots in these comps...they will stand out:

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[Destor]

pretty good head drop right here

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Here we go great example right here:

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[Swiss Ultimate]

I'm talking about the risk of any and all moves where a wrestler is going to simulate being dropped on his head. I've seen a shit-ton of piledrivers botched. If you can make it look like you're dropping a guy on his head ala Tazplex or whatever, great...but every time you do that there's a risk of fucking up and legitimately injuring a guy.

Would be nice if wrestlers didn't have to do 6-7 wrist-clutch exploder suplexes to get the win on a 145 lb skinny white-dude in basketball shorts every single match.

[Destor]

the difference is in one case you're given the illusion and the other they actually do it. not the same thing.

[Destor]

also the pedigree is a simple chest bump unless your name is Van Dam and in no way qualifies. The Tombstone is also REALLY safe. like completely safe it is as long as you're taller than the guy taking it. neither should enter the conversation of head drops.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Actually do it is still pushing it. There's a reason those moves don't end up putting people in the hospital and it's beyond my knowledge to explain how.

[Indifferent Clox]

Because the human body isn't as breakable as.wwe makes it seem.

[James Steele]

Because the human body isn't as breakable as.wwe makes it seem.

The whole point of learning how to wrestle is so you don't actually test how breakable the body is. You are already beating yourself up as it is.

[Destor]

Actually do it is still pushing it. There's a reason those moves don't end up putting people in the hospital and it's beyond my knowledge to explain how.

no idea what you mean by that first sentance.

[Indifferent Clox]

I've never said head dropss are neccessary for good wrestling. You don't need Cowbell to make good music. But some people love fucking cowbellheaddrops.

[Swiss Ultimate]

no idea what you mean by that first sentance.

Sorry. I'm talking about the level of risk doing any move presents. Any move that has the risk of a full impact to an unprotected skull should not become so common place that it is literally done dozens of times on a single show much less in a single match.

As for moves that make it appear that a person is being dropped or smashed onto their neck and head, there are techniques that do in fact lessen impact and lessen the risk for injury. Taz was known for doing moves that, had it been someone with less skill or control, would have lead to injury, paralysis or death.

And Clox, the human body (especially the head and neck) is relatively fragile. This complaint of yours about the WWE is patently ridiculous. Your knowledge of human physiology is frightening and if I was a wrestler I'd want my partner/opponent to have some respect for my safety rather than a cavalier attitude like, "the human body can take tons of punishment, you'll be okay."

Simple piledrivers, powerbombs, german suplexes, botched moonsaults, shooting star presses, clotheslines etc. etc. etc. have lead to injuries far beyond what people would expect. If I, an untrained non-wrestler, were to attempt an actual tombstone piledriver (something I won't even do with my kids on a bed as for some strange reason throwing my kids on their heads and necks seems a bit draconian.) I would most likely break someone's neck.

Wrestling matches should factor in this risk in a way that will pay off better for everyone. When moves with the potential to do bodily harm are placed into a match the announcers should push those moves, wrestlers should sell the hell out of them and they should be rare enough that fans will actually care when they see them.

And what fans are rallying for more head-drop moves? I'm 100% certain that taking out any and all moves involving the simulation of wrestlers being driven or dropped head-first onto the mat or floor would result in 0% revenue loss. The only gain from the inclusion of these unimaginative moves that no longer impress or amaze is injury, paralysis and death. I watched all those videos and you know what? Don't give a fuck. Didn't bat an eye at the carnage. You know what makes me cringe?

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[Indifferent Clox]

Complaint? They show people falling from a punch that literally glanced their forehead. I'm nit complaining. Its inherent.

[Swiss Ultimate]

People throw pretend punches, people sell them. It's their job.

In real life:

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People get knocked out, knocked down and sell mere punches.

[Indifferent Clox]

OK whatever. I'm still not complaining. I'm just saying. I could show you an mma dude getting dropped on his head and no selling it. I've taken some crazy bumps and gotten up right away duringntraining. I've literally no sold shit that hurts. Or ran around and gotten adrenaline from it. So in that circumstance kings road would be more realistic.

Each style has aspects of realism and are great.

[Swiss Ultimate]

These incidents with trained athletes in top physical condition are not the norm at all, by the way.

You're confusing situations as well. An MMA fighter being dropped on his head is real. His opponent is trying to knock him out. You no-selling stuff because it "hurts" is par for the course. Pain versus injury...things can hurt and yes, pain gives you an adrenaline rush that you can use to Hulk up, but me dropping you on your head is going to probably put you down for a good while. You talking about a trained fighter "no selling" is missing the point by a fucking mile.

And no, not all styles have aspects of realism. Comedy matches usually have none and are often shit.

[Indifferent Clox]

OK they still have some aspect of realism otherwise they would be a bunch of nonsequitors.

Surrealist wrestling.

Are you arguing just to argue? I see yr point that we don't have to have headdrops.

[whiteyford]

Lol what

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'll stop arguing when you stop saying things that are easily shown to be false.

Also...Surrealism Wrestling is a thing.

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[Destor]

...hard to chime in at this point. i will say strong style is way more believable than other styles (including kings road. the counters at some point kill it...anyway...) but the idea in the states is to get the smallest things over. keeps you from having to go to extreams to draw crowd. job security.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Our argument was more semantics I think. I understand where you were coming from, just disagree on the details.

[Destor]

yeah. we arrive at the same destination tho

[Swiss Ultimate]

OK whatever. I'm still not complaining. I'm just saying. I could show you an mma dude getting dropped on his head and no selling it. I've taken some crazy bumps and gotten up right away duringntraining. I've literally no sold shit that hurts. Or ran around and gotten adrenaline from it. So in that circumstance kings road would be more realistic.

Each style has aspects of realism and are great.

:lol:

[Destor]

Every locker room from one side of the country to the other has a clox. Kids playing wrestler that dont know the first thing about being one

[Ruien]

DTTS never asked me shit.

[Destor]

Theres still time...

[Swiss Ultimate]

I told Slik to take over this franchise.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's busy taking over for Ryan Clark brah.

[Swiss Ultimate]

bullshit. I've taken a million backdrops, flapjacks, germans, piledrivers etc, more than a couple Northern Lights etc and I've been dropped on my head once ever, be it training or in a match and that was a complete clusterfuck involving a new guy making a mistake under instruction and mistiming. And fucking please "a little advanced" and "wanna try different moves", you sound like fucking kids with some indy tapes and access to a wrestling ring. You are a joke and an embarrassment.

CSL killed this thread.