THIS JUST IN - BYE, BYE, STEINER!!!

[Marc the Smark]

Breaking News: Scott Steiner Finished With WWE
By Richard Gray on May 5, 2004 at 2:09 PM EST
(From our own newsboard, at TPWW)

Scott Steiner has been cleared to the ring according to several sources close to the situation. However, the internal feeling within WWE is that the creative team does not have anything for him. While most people would argue the SmackDown roster could use the extra talent, WWE management apparently feel that he is too “fragile” for a long term push at this point.

Despite being healthy through most of his stint with WWE, there is a suspicion that Steiner’s body is just too banged up to depend on him for any major storyline. Expect WWE to let Steiner’s contract expire as it appears as if we have seen the last of him in WWE.

(Strike up the chorus!!!) :D :D :D

[Savio]

Na Na Na Na....

[Marc the Smark]

Na Na Na Na....

[Vastardikai]

Hey Hey Hey...

[Marc the Smark]

GOOOOOODDDDBYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEE!!!! :D :D :D

Na Na Na Na....

[spd10000]

Na Na Na Na....

[Marc the Smark]

Hey Hey Hey....

[Rob]

This is the most unrealible reporter out there who is reporting this for the record.

[Marc the Smark]

GOOOOOODDDDBYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEE!!!! :D :D :D

[spd10000]

OH HAPPY DAYS!!!

[Marc the Smark]

I think we should throw a party!

[Disturbed316]

Why do you hate Steiner, may I ask?

[Marc the Smark]

Why do you hate Steiner, may I ask?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That's funny!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Wait, you're serious? :shifty:

[Rob]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That's funny!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Wait, you're serious? :shifty:

Answer him then.

[Marc the Smark]

Heh. Okay, because he sucks??? But I'm sure you'll want me to explain, so where do I begin?

Well, okay, for starters, he has no wrestling ability whatsoever. Oh wait. I'm wrong. He does a Belly-To-Belly Suplex. How could I forget that??? :roll: Sure, it's impressive, but it gets kind of old after seeing it hundreds of times.

[The Show Off]

I really think they should put him on Smackdown! and have him feud with John Cena, as a way of giveing Cena a victory against an established star. I mean it'd be nice to put guys over against a former WCW World Champion

[John la Rock]

this is a happy day

:wave:

[Rob]

So if it's old it sucks?

[Marc the Smark]

So if it's old it sucks?

No, not at all. I just love watching the same thing over and over again. It's just so exciting.

[Disturbed316]

So whats so wrong with seeing Steiner's suplex over and over again?

[The Forgotten One]

They're takin' their kept-up Goldberg anger out on Steiner. :shifty:

[Rob]

No, not at all. I just love watching the same thing over and over again. It's just so exciting.

You must really hate finishers then.

[Marc the Smark]

You must really hate finishers then.

No, that's not true. It's just I'm really excited by people who have a limited moveset. But hey, I should give him some credit. Remember his match at No Way Out? In 2003? Wasn't that awesome?!? :shifty:

[Rob]

So what's the difference between a Steiner belly to belly or a Kurt Angle one? Or 10 Benoit German suplexes? Or the same flying forearm into nip up Shawn Michaels does in every match?

Ever heard of signature moves?

[TheNamelessOne]

Yeah, I hear ya. I can't get enough of RVD matches. Watching the Rolling Thunder and Five Star repeatedly every week for 3 years puts me on the edge of my seat.

[Rob]

No, that's not true. It's just I'm really excited by people who have a limited moveset. But hey, I should give him some credit. Remember his match at No Way Out? In 2003? Wasn't that awesome?!? :shifty:

Remember Ric Flair and Bret Hart using the same moveset for 15 years?

[Rob]

Yeah, I hear ya. I can't get enough of RVD matches. Watching the Rolling Thunder and Five Star repeatedly every week for 3 years puts me on the edge of my seat.

And well all know Rey Misterio is the best wrestler in the world today because he does more than 16 moves in a match (or does he?).

[TheNamelessOne]

And well all know Rey Misterio is the best wrestler in the world today because he does more than 16 moves in a match (or does he?).

:lol:

[Boondock Saint]

I can't say the dude put on good matches during his stint, but if this is true, to be honest, I'm kinda disappointed. I thought he had a good image/character, and could have been used on SD. :-\ Ah well.

[Marc the Smark]

I should give him some credit. Remember his match at No Way Out? In 2003? Wasn't that awesome?!?

[Boondock Saint]

Well it was better than the RR match.

[Marc the Smark]

So what's the difference between a Steiner belly to belly or a Kurt Angle one? Or 10 Benoit German suplexes? Or the same flying forearm into nip up Shawn Michaels does in every match?

Ever heard of signature moves?


Of course I have, but are you honestly saying Scott Steiner is as good as Angle and Benoit? There was a time when Steiner was one of the greats, but now his time is up.

[Rob]

Did I say that?

You said one of the reasons Steiner sucks was because he keeps using the belly to belly suplex (you wrote it, not anyone else). I used what you said and turned it on you like anyone with half a brain trying to prove a point would.

Personally, I think Steiner is way past it. More to do with injuries than anything. I'm fairly sure a good worker could still get a good match out of him. Jericho did. I think he would be a fresh face for Smackdown and he has the charisma and buiid to get himself over.

Next time be careful what you write or read what others write.

[Marc the Smark]

Did I say that?

No, but it seemed like you were implying it. My apologies.

[Rob]

And for record, you also mentioned his limited moveset. Everyone knows Ric Flair and Bret Hart made careers out of limited movesets in matches and they are two of the greatest to ever step in a ring. That doesn't mean Steiner is as good as them. It means limited movesets mean absolutely nothing outside of Playstaion games.

[Marc the Smark]

And for record, you also mentioned his limited moveset. Everyone knows Ric Flair and Bret Hart made careers out of limited movesets in matches and they are two of the greatest to ever step in a ring. That doesn't mean Steiner is as good as them. It means limited movesets mean absolutely nothing outside of Playstaion games.

Flair and Bret have gone for 60 minutes (plus), and put on excellent matches. When was the last time Steiner did that? I would suggest it's been a long time. C'mon, the guy was a great talent at one time, but age and steroids don't mix well, and his run in the WWE has been absolutely pathetic. At this point he's basically a liability in the ring; if he doesn't injure himself he could well injure his opponent. Also, Flair and Bret have charisma, and had much more ability than Steiner does right now. Just my opinion.

[Corkscrewed]

For once, a potential firing that I'm NOT sad about! w00t!

[Rob]

Flair and Bret have gone for 60 minutes (plus), and put on excellent matches. When was the last time Steiner did that? I would suggest it's been a long time. C'mon, the guy was a great talent at one time, but age and steroids don't mix well, and his run in the WWE has been absolutely pathetic. At this point he's basically a liability in the ring; if he doesn't injure himself he could well injure his opponent. Also, Flair and Bret have charisma, and had much more ability than Steiner does right now. Just my opinion.

Off the top of my head, I think Scott Steiner has done 60 minute broadways. For the record, when was the last time Bret Hart and Ric Flair did that? Again, definately not saying Steiner is in their league but you can't compare 10 years ago to today.

I'll tell you for an absolute fact right now that Scott Steiner has more ability than Bret Hart in the ring right now.

[Savio]

Stiener wasn't to bad really.

[Marc the Smark]

I really think they should put him on Smackdown! and have him feud with John Cena, as a way of giveing Cena a victory against an established star. I mean it'd be nice to put guys over against a former WCW World Champion

That's not a terrible idea, but they've had enough huge guys with limited skills on that show to last them a lifetime. Smackdown needs something but Steiner's not the answer.

[The Mackem]

Holler if you hear me!

[Marc the Smark]

"Big Poppa Pump Is Your Hookup." Does that mean he deals steroids? :lol:

[The Mackem]

I only care about two things, my freaks and my peaks!

[Marc the Smark]

I only care about two things, my freaks and my peaks!

Yes, and apparently not about the quality of his matches.

One of the greatest days in wrestling history!!! :D

[JJ Moore]

sunday, monday, happy days! tuesday ,wednesday, happy days! thursday, friday, happy days! saturday comes, steiners gone, rejoicing all day with youuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

[Marc the Smark]

sunday, monday, happy days! tuesday ,wednesday, happy days! thursday, friday, happy days! saturday comes, steiners gone, rejoicing all day with youuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

:lol: :y:

[Mr. JL]

They should not just let his contract run out. At least not yet. Have him come back acting all big and bad like he was when he made his debut just this time he's a heel. Then feed him Orton on the Bad Blood PPV in a loser leaves the WWE match. Orton could keep his legend killer gimmick going strong, that is of course, if Orton could get a good match out of Steiner...

[Marc the Smark]

They should not just let his contract run out. At least not yet. Have him come back acting all big and bad like he was when he made his debut just this time he's a heel. Then feed him Orton on the Bad Blood PPV in a loser leaves the WWE match. Orton could keep his legend killer gimmick going strong, that is of course, if Orton could get a good match out of Steiner...

Ahhhhhh.... yes..... great idea! :y: But still, we'd have to see Steiner in one more match, and I just don't know if I could take it. Besides, you're right, could even Orton get a good match out of this thug?

[The Naitch]

I'm sure they could've used Steiner as an enforcer type, like Tyson Tomko.

[Marc the Smark]

I'm sure they could've used Steiner as an enforcer type, like Tyson Tomko.

But then Steiner would still be on my tv :n:

[PureHatred]

I'm not sure what the celebrations are for. At one time Scott Steiner was one of the best athletes in the business. The back injuries and age have taken their toll. His work was poor the last time he was in a ring. His mobility is limited and he probably doesn't have a long ru left in him.

But he still has some name value. He is still a very entertaining heel. He still has a very impressive look. Instead of wasting the money the WWE spent on signing him, they should put him on Smackdown, as mentioned, and have him put over guys like Eddie Guerrero and John Cena. Or feed him to 'taker just so nobody iwith a future is getting buried. Especially with the dearth of heels on Thursday nights, this is what Steiner should be used for. Actually, that's what he should have been doing in the first place.

[Marc the Smark]

"I'm not sure what the celebrations are for. At one time Scott Steiner was one of the best athletes in the business. The back injuries and age have taken their toll. His work was poor the last time he was in a ring. His mobility is limited and he probably doesn't have a long ru left in him."

Awwww... how sad... "the back injuries and age." Cry me a river.

And like I said before, if they put him on Smackdown, that means he'd still be on my tv. :n:

[PureHatred]

You're right. Why have an established name like Scott Steiner on TV when we can sit back and enjoy guys like Bob Holly, Bradshaw, A-Train, Johnny the Bull....

You do realize just by changing brands Rene Dupree went from jobber to mid-level heel? You do realize Smackdown has resorted to pushing the Dudleys again to the point where one of Judgement Day's biggest matches might be Dudleys v Rey/RVD? That show is ****ing dying for heels and here is one of the more well known heels of the last decade and you stand up and cheer because he's being cut w/o so much as an attempt to use him in any capacity.

Way to buy in to whatever the IRC feeds you.

[Marc the Smark]

Way to buy in to whatever the IRC feeds you.

I don't do IRC. Look, I don't like the way. That's my choice. If you like him, that's your choice. But there's no need to make this personal.

[PureHatred]

You're right. Why have an established name like Scott Steiner on TV when we can sit back and enjoy guys like Bob Holly, Bradshaw, A-Train, Johnny the Bull....

You do realize just by changing brands Rene Dupree went from jobber to mid-level heel? You do realize Smackdown has resorted to pushing the Dudleys again to the point where one of Judgement Day's biggest matches might be Dudleys v Rey/RVD? That show is ****ing dying for heels and here is one of the more well known heels of the last decade and you stand up and cheer because he's being cut w/o so much as an attempt to use him in any capacity.

Way to buy in to whatever the IWC feeds you.

Edit: D'oh

[PureHatred]

I don't do IRC. Look, I don't like the way. That's my choice. If you like him, that's your choice. But there's no need to make this personal.

Awwww... how sad... Cry me a river.

[Marc the Smark]

I wasn't knocking you. I was knocking Scott Steiner. I don't like him, and I'm not the only one. That's it.

[PureHatred]

No, but you're the only one going on and on anytime mentions another possible use for Steiner how those are bad ideas becuse he's "still on your TV."

Read the thread again. Rob made some really good points on what Steiner could do for the WWE. This is another example of the writers not being able to come up wth angles that properly make use of the talent.

Scott isn't Goldberg. He can be very good on the mic. He's willing to put people over. If his is true, the WWE is firing him w/o even making an atempt to use him. Pretty dumb.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Personally, I can't stand Steiner... His old ring work used to be great, but that was the past... However, there could still be a use for him. As said above, just feed him to someone, or stick him on Smackdown. For example, have him reek havoc on Smackdown, and build him up as an unstoppable character.... As a last resort, Angle brings back Big Show, who could destroy Steiner, and end his career.

Now I know a lot of people wouldn't be thrilled about a Big Show push, but if pushed right, he can be a great heel. Get his workrate up, and give him a manager, it'll work.

[Marc the Smark]

No, but you're the only one going on and on anytime mentions another possible use for Steiner how those are bad ideas becuse he's "still on your TV."

Read the thread again. Rob made some really good points on what Steiner could do for the WWE. This is another example of the writers not being able to come up wth angles that properly make use of the talent.

Scott isn't Goldberg. He can be very good on the mic. He's willing to put people over. If his is true, the WWE is firing him w/o even making an atempt to use him. Pretty dumb.

Again, this is your opinion, and the opinion of others, and you're entitled to it. Do I seriously think Steiner on Smackdown would be a bad idea? Maybe not. There. I said it. But I just don't see what's so great about him. He was great at one time, yes. But that doesn't mean he still is. He's made his contribution. Do you want him to work forever? C'mon. It was suggested they put him on Smackdown, to be squashed, so that somebody else can be built up. That's an option, yes, but I think there are better ways to push someone than to stick him in the ring with Steiner. That's just my opinion.

[PureHatred]

See..actually acknowleging the idea and opinion of others is the point. Even if you don't agree. But that "he's still on my TV shit" is childish.

Take that noise to iowrestling.

[Marc the Smark]

See..actually acknowleging the idea and opinion of others is the point. Even if you don't agree. But that "he's still on my TV shit" is childish.

Take that noise to iowrestling.

To who? Anyway, yes, I acknowledged your idea. Fine. I thought about it, and maybe Steiner on Smackdown wouldn't be a bad idea. But would it really improve the show? Well, it'd be a temporary fix, in my opinion. And again, I think there are better ways to push someone than to put him in a match with Steiner. You wanna put Steiner in these high-profile matches, while people with much more ability are stuck on Velocity? I can't agree with that.

[PureHatred]

Here's what I was saying: I have no problem with your opinion. but instead of just dismissive one liners, back it up. You did. It's gravy.

If you want to post meaningless nonsense w/o any kind of thought, as I said, go to iowrestling. Or casual. ;)

[Marc the Smark]

Here's what I was saying: I have no problem with your opinion. but instead of just dismissive one liners, back it up. You did. It's gravy.

If you want to post meaningless nonsense w/o any kind of thought, as I said, go to iowrestling. Or casual. ;)

Okay. So we're cool now? :y:

[PureHatred]

I'm alway cool. *pops collar,drinks Hypnotiq and Henny, goes back to work fixing database for broker*

[spd10000]

Okay. So we're cool now? :y:

Oh you're so young. Here's a little hint buddy. As long as you never disagree with these people, they'll always like you. Just don't dare speak your mind.

[KillerWolf]

So what's the difference between a Steiner belly to belly or a Kurt Angle one? Or 10 Benoit German suplexes? Or the same flying forearm into nip up Shawn Michaels does in every match?

Ever heard of signature moves?
DUDE, STEINER F.UCKIN' SUCKS!!! why cant you just except it?!!

[KillerWolf]

Remember Ric Flair and Bret Hart using the same moveset for 15 years?
:yes: oh, now i understand. you are on crack.

[Marc the Smark]

:yes: oh, now i understand. you are on crack.

Heh. Yeah, Flair and Bret are both legends. I wouldn't put Steiner in the same category.

[Shadow]

I'll agree that Steiner was the man back in WCW but those days are long gone. As much as I hate to say it though, I will miss him. I actually did enjoy his fued with Test over Stacy. I enjoyed the fued he had with HHH. I enjoyed his promos, rants, and rages. So what if he did steroids, so what if he did drugs. He was enjoyable and should've been thrown onto Smackdown for heel usage. But that's just my opinion. Take it for what you will from this Jeff Hardy mark.

[CBright7831]

Yeah, since they can't use him on RAW, common logic would have him on Smackdown!, but you know, it's the WWE.

[Ricky]

I've never really cared about him but he's a big name that could easily add to the desparately needed star power on Smackdown.

[Marc the Smark]

I've never really cared about him but he's a big name that could easily add to the desparately needed star power on Smackdown.

They need "star power," that's true. So they should create it. Billy Kidman, Paul London, and even Orlando Jordan, can all be huge stars. Why continue to depend on people who can't cut it?

[PureHatred]

Because, traditionally, the way you "create" stars is to have them beat established ones. Orlando Jordan could beat Johnny the Bull 27 times in a row and no one would care. But having him beat someone with name value like Scott Steiner means something. His reputation alone makes hims worth useing.

[Batsu]

I think, they should at least put him in Smackdown's U.S. Title scene.

Right now, Rene Dupree is the only real shot against John Cena for now. Heck, he could even feud with Guerrero. But he does not need to be on RAW; RAW doesn't need him.

Only thing is...he should have a bunch of eye candy and over-the-top promos like he used to. He was the top heel of WCW...one I enjoyed watching (if not for TBS's annoying practices-and-standards hounds)...
...none of that nonsense he shared with HHH, thanks.

[PureHatred]

Definitely. he could walk down to the ring with some of the better looking OVW workers, wearing that crazy metal helmet thing and start talking insane nonsense:

"I don't have 30 days and 30 nights, to show you why all the hoochies say there's nothing finer than Scott Steiner, but all I need is one night to have your wife call me for the rest of her life, the big bad booty daddy, so this goes to all my freaks out there, Big Poppa Pump is your hook up, hollar if you hear me." -- Scott Steiner1`

WTF does that mean????? Who knows...looking the way he looks, like a half-crazed Abobo from Double Dragon (credit: Rock Bottom) Scott Steiner is golden on the mic.

[Loose Cannon]

lol, Steiner was great on the mic at the end of WCW. I have a lot of his sh** on tape.

[Batsu]

I mean, since Smackdown is turning into a bad version of WCW Thunder now, and WWE is slowly having this "WCW Throwback Culture" obsession, why not just complete the circle and just turn it into a pseudo-WCW show.

(By the way...what former WCW wrestlers that came in the Invasion are still in WWE besides Booker T?)

[Boondock Saint]

Lance Storm, Chuck Palumbo, Mark Jindrak, Chavo Guerrero, Hurricane...prolly more

Shannon Moore, Noble, and Stamboli...I'm not sure if they were just in OVW or something or were signed after the Invasion...

[Boondock Saint]

Torrie, Stacy, Bill DeMott too

[Bad Company]

I've always likes Steiner :(
Good luck for him in the future.

[Marc the Smark]

I've always likes Steiner :(
Good luck for him in the future.

Yes, I hope he does well when he's stocking shelves at Stop 'n' Shop.

[spd10000]

Yes, I hope he does well when he's stocking shelves at Stop 'n' Shop.

Careful Red Hot Scott. These people won't like that.

[Boondock Saint]

Yes, I hope he does well when he's stocking shelves at Stop 'n' Shop.


:lol: That is a pretty funny image

[Marc the Smark]

Customer: Pardon me sir, but...

Scott Steiner: What do you want lady?

Customer: Well, um, the date on the milk says sell by May 2nd. Today's the 5th.

Scott Steiner: Yeah, so?

Customer: So??? So it's expired?

Scott Steiner: Hey lady, I don't care about the milk. I only care about my freaks and my peaks.

Customer: Your what? Young man, I want to speak with your manager.

Scott Steiner: My manager? (Momentarily confused) I never had a manager.. Uh, I mean, look sweetie, he ain't here right now.

Customer: Well I'm very dissatisfied. The milk's expired, and you're being very rude. Now I want to talk to....

Steiner picks her up and gives her a belly-to-belly suplex.

Scott Steiner: Take that ya bi</>tch. Yeah, clean up. Aisle 5!

[Batsu]

oh yeah, didn't they have some Eddie/Chavo feud back when Chavo was still a "WCW" brand wrestler? Or maybe I'm just letting my imagination get away with me. I know he went to Tough Enough afterward...

[spd10000]

Customer: Pardon me sir, but...

Scott Steiner: What do you want lady?

Customer: Well, um, the date on the milk says sell by May 2nd. Today's the 5th.

Scott Steiner: Yeah, so?

Customer: So??? So it's expired?

Scott Steiner: Hey lady, I don't care about the milk. I only care about my freaks and my peaks.

Customer: Your what? Young man, I want to speak with your manager.

Scott Steiner: My manager? (Momentarily confused) I never had a manager.. Uh, I mean, look sweetie, he ain't here right now.

Customer: Well I'm very dissatisfied. The milk's expired, and you're being very rude. Now I want to talk to....

Steiner picks her up and gives her a belly-to-belly suplex.

Scott Steiner: Take that ya bi</>tch. Yeah, clean up. Aisle 5!

:n:

[Gone Mad]

Steiner is very fragile,he is done. Maybe a role manager-wise, just as long as he doesn't take too much time away from the younger talents, like a few ppl on Smackdown tend to do... *coughcough*takerhollybradshaw*coughcough*

[ItsTimeForAChange]

I never had anything against Steiner. He and Rick were the shit back in the day.

He should definetly have been utilitzed for SmackDown! as others have said, since its sinking fast, IMO. True, he wouldn't be able to have a long run, but he could have atleast been brought back to put a young wrestler over.

[6to1]

Off the top of my head, I think Scott Steiner has done 60 minute broadways. For the record, when was the last time Bret Hart and Ric Flair did that? Again, definately not saying Steiner is in their league but you can't compare 10 years ago to today.

I'll tell you for an absolute fact right now that Scott Steiner has more ability than Bret Hart in the ring right now.
i think like so many other former wcw people steiner was missused in the wwe. his wrestling days were almost over what they should have done was make him super part time heel maby bodyguard to evalution, kind of like batasta is doing now, but no vince had to make him tests bitch

[Ferocious]

Steiner could be used brilliantly in the WWE selling hotdogs like Rhyno and Dreamer :shifty:

[Wondermouse]

Heh. Yeah, Flair and Bret are both legends. I wouldn't put Steiner in the same category.
You should. Not only was he the better half of one of a great tag team, at the end of WCW, he was a truly great, great heel. He had more talent in him than most of the people that will be considered legends in 10 years such as Austin (Stone Cold, Stunning Steve, it doesn't matter - Scott was better) and Rock (Sorry, RB). Promoters were trying for years to get him to cut Rick and become a single superstar. I'd say if he hadn't injured himself in '94, he'd be one of the guys people said revolutionized pro wrestling.

Steiner was one of the guys who really got gimped by WWE when they came in. Others were Raven, Booker, and DDP. Look at that: Raven, Booker, DDP, Scott Steiner. Throw in Jeff Jarrett and you've got pretty much the whole main event scene of WCW near the end. And where are they? Steiner's gone, Raven's in the world title scene in TNA, Booker's jobbing to Undertaker, and DDP jobbed to Undertaker's wife.

And really, Steiner's too fragile? What about Triple H?

[Dave Youell]

He made his money, i'm dam sure he made his money and to be fair his WWE stink was a joke anyways. Just by looking at both his 'main event' matches with HHH would tell you that he's not the guy he used to be.

Hope everything turn out ok for him, but I in no way feel sorry for him. He waited until his time warner contract expired before he went to the WWE, the guy knew what he was doing and if he was happy to sit back get paid and let the time warner contract expire, i'm sure he's quite happy to do the same with his current contract

[Goldbird]

Well. all i got to say is that...

Steiner WAS a steroids-****ed idiot who couldnt balance himself on the turnbuckle without falling flat on his face.

However, i had been impressed by steiner's performance in year 2003 in his feud with HHH. SO now, since wwe does not want to make use of such a talent, i just hope that he goes to TWA or somewhere in Japan, instead of rotting in WWE and selling hotdogs.

[Wondermouse]

Rick's a booker in Japan, I believe, and could go over there.

I don't think he'd fit in TNA, as they're trying to go to more of a family friendly atmosphere.

[big_bluto]

Well. all i got to say is that...

Steiner WAS a steroids-****ed idiot who couldnt balance himself on the turnbuckle without falling flat on his face.

However, i had been impressed by steiner's performance in year 2003 in his feud with HHH. .

How bad was he in WCW that he impressed by those matches?
Granted I never saw him in WCW, but he looked like a lumbering old man v HHH, and that in itself is a mean trick!

[HankScorpio]

See ya 'Roido

[SuperSlim]

it kinda sucks.

I think that excuse that they couldn't use him for a long run is nothin more than complete B.S.

Look at the rosters on both shows. How many folks do they really use for long push runs? Triple H... ummmm man I'm sure there are a couple more but that's it.

Fact is the guy was established. A former world champion (in WCW) and part of what has to be one of the greatest tag teams ever created in wrestling history The Steiner Brothers. I mean the guy has been in there for more years than a lot of the guys they have now.

OK I have somehtin now. The Rock. Sure the guy is entertaining but when does he compete? WM and that's about it. Long term push? None at all. Just one month and poof he's gone. Yet they stil keep him signed. Why? Cause he is established and can put people over. Steiner can do that also except on a more regular basis than The Rock. I do think it's messed up that they take him out just cause of that.

In one way it's good to see him leave but on many other levels he could have been used in a mighty way but they have also dropped the ball with him.

[Pepsi Man]

oh yeah, didn't they have some Eddie/Chavo feud back when Chavo was still a "WCW" brand wrestler? Or maybe I'm just letting my imagination get away with me. I know he went to Tough Enough afterward...
While the WCW vs. WWF war was going on, Eddie was away following his alcohol/drug abuse earlier in the year and the previous year. Eddie did not return until April of 2002, long after the Invasion angle had ended.

However, back in WCW, Eddie and Chavo did feud after Eddie turned heel, with Chavo wanting Eddie to "be fair and play by the rules" and Eddie trying to teach Chavo how to "Cheat 2 Win".

[Marc the Smark]

Bye, Bye Steiner!

He's "established," huh? How many people who watch wrestling have actually noticed he's gone? I'm sure a lot of the fans have already forgotten about him, and who can really blame them? It's not like there's much that's worth remembering. :nono:

[Wondermouse]

Right, because Scott Steiner was only one of the most recognizable names in wrestling for about 10 years.

Besides, even if they didn't remember him, WWE could make them remember, detailing his accomplishments, and showing old clips of him competing to build up his return, and making swank video packages.

And then you job him to John Cena, Rey Mysterio, RVD, or any face you want to get over. It doesn't have to be a 60 minute broadway or anything, just make it like 6-10 minutes, and the guy'll be over.

[Marc the Smark]

Right, because Scott Steiner was only one of the most recognizable names in wrestling for about 10 years.

Where? In the Wicked Crappy Wrestling company?!? Wow! And what did he accomplish in the WWE? Ummmm.... oh, that's right, NOTHING! :nono: I can see what people are saying about jobbing him to the Superstars, but why let him torture us? I'd rather he just go away.

[big_bluto]

Where? In the Wicked Crappy Wrestling company?!? Wow! And what did he accomplish in the WWE? Ummmm.... oh, that's right, NOTHING! :nono: I can see what people are saying about jobbing him to the Superstars, but why let him torture us? I'd rather he just go away.
:y: He should fu*k off with velocity
(not the show)

[Pepsi Man]

Where? In the Wicked Crappy Wrestling company?!? Wow! And what did he accomplish in the WWE? Ummmm.... oh, that's right, NOTHING! :nono: I can see what people are saying about jobbing him to the Superstars, but why let him torture us? I'd rather he just go away.
When did you start watching pro wrestling?

[Wondermouse]

Where? In the Wicked Crappy Wrestling company?!? Wow! And what did he accomplish in the WWE? Ummmm.... oh, that's right, NOTHING! :nono: I can see what people are saying about jobbing him to the Superstars, but why let him torture us? I'd rather he just go away.
Well, let's see...

1) He's held the tag titles around Edge and Benoit 6 times
2) He's held the tag titles around Rico and Charlie twice
3) He's held the world title around Chris Benoit once.

[Marc the Smark]

When did you start watching pro wrestling?

1984.

[Pepsi Man]

1984.
Did you have like a memory lapse or something then?

[Marc the Smark]

Did you have like a memory lapse or something then?

What did he ever accomplish in the WWE?

[PureHatred]

Are you seriously saying that he's not established because most of his succes came in the WCW? Seriously?

[Wondermouse]

What did he ever accomplish in the WWE?
He won the tag belts twice in WWE.

[Pepsi Man]

He was part of THE tag team of the ****ing early 90s.

[Wondermouse]

Yeah. I'd say the Steiners were the tag team of the 90s... though I'd say Harlem Heat are up there.

[Marc the Smark]

Are you seriously saying that he's not established because most of his succes came in the WCW? Seriously?

Stop being belligerent. I'm saying he was established in the WCW, and that I think his most recent run in the WWE was just awful.

[Marc the Smark]

He was part of THE tag team of the ****ing early 90s.

That's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it. He may have been good at one time, but his most recent run in the WWE was, in my opinion, awful.

[Wondermouse]

Stop being belligerent. I'm saying he was established in the WCW, and that I think his most recent run in the WWE was just awful.
You're the one that's being cryptic.

[Marc the Smark]

You're the one that's being cryptic.

How so? I think I'm stating my opinion quite clearly. He may have been good in the WCW, or even when he was with his brother in the old WWF, but that was then. His most recent run in the WWE, in my opinion, was awful.

[PureHatred]

When Wondermouse said that Steiner was a recognized, established name, this was your respnse:

Where? In the Wicked Crappy Wrestling company?!? Wow! And what did he accomplish in the WWE? Ummmm.... oh, that's right, NOTHING! :nono: I can see what people are saying about jobbing him to the Superstars, but why let him torture us? I'd rather he just go away.

Basically you dismissed out of hand Steiner's name value because his last run in the WWE was lousy. Then, Pepsi Man called you on that and this was your response:

What did he ever accomplish in the WWE?

Again, dismissing entirely anything Steiner accomplished anywhere else. And thus, any name value he has.

You clearly have no legit argument for the idea that Steiner is a name in the business. So, whatever explanation you give for not liking Scott Steiner basically boils down to you not liking his ringwork the last time he was in WWE. Fine. But this is sports entertainment. Scott Steiner was and still is a well known name in wrestling and that is a valuable commodity. (if he does get released just watch how quickly TNA or a Japanese fed snathes him up)Even a 2 month long feud where he puts someone like Mark Jindrak or Orlando Jordan over would give guys like them a nice boost in their careers. As I've said, releasing him without even making an attempt to put Steiner to use, especially when you have a show in dire need of heels, is a misuse of the WWE's assets.

But god forbid, Scott Steiner is on your TV. :roll:

[Wondermouse]

What he said.

[Sephiroth]

Bye, bye :wave:

[Rob]

:yes: oh, now i understand. you are on crack.

Okay Bret Hart and Ric Flair didn't use the same limited movesets for 15 years then?

Either they did or they didn't dude. No point in calling me a dick over it now is there?


Heh. Yeah, Flair and Bret are both legends. I wouldn't put Steiner in the same category.

Neither would I and if you read what I wrote, I never did say he was. What I said was you can't use the arguement of limited movesets to say people suck when Flair and Hart did it for 15 years and they are bonafide greats.

I believe Scott Steiner as a heel on Smackdown is marketable. Especially when they lack star power on that brand. Now if you disagree then that's fine. It's only an opinion.

Yeah he can't work well anymore. He can't work long matches. Then how about this for an idea... DON'T MAKE HIM WORK LONG MATCHES!!! Why people make pro wrestling out to be more complicated than brain surgery is mind blowing. Play to peoples strong points. It is a work after all.

[Rob]

i think like so many other former wcw people steiner was missused in the wwe. his wrestling days were almost over what they should have done was make him super part time heel maby bodyguard to evalution, kind of like batasta is doing now, but no vince had to make him tests bitch

Vince McMahon knew what he was getting when he signed him so there are no excuses in that department. My arguement is that they should have put the world title on him on his first match. None of that "he didn't pay his dues" bullsh</>it either. He paid his dues for 20 years for one and the more important point is that you should always market your stars to their fullest. Everyone knew he would have a limited run so why not put the belt on him early and draw what you can quick? Vince McMahon should remember that it's his company and he can do what he likes no matter who likes it or doesn't. Have the arguements after he stops drawing money, not before.

[Rob]

Don't know how people can seriously debate his career either. The guy was a great worker before his injuries. He isn't now and that's well documented.

What did he accomplish in WWE? He did his job. Simple as that. You remember wrestling isn't real right? "Accomplishments" like winning titles meant NOTHING. They are fake belts. Being a good worker and being recognised for it means a lot more.

[Marc the Smark]

What did he accomplish in WWE? He did his job. Simple as that. You remember wrestling isn't real right? "Accomplishments" like winning titles meant NOTHING. They are fake belts. Being a good worker and being recognised for it means a lot more.

That's right, and we all Steiner is an excellent worker. Remember No Way Out in 2003? :mad:

[Rob]

That's right, and we all Steiner is an excellent worker. Remember No Way Out in 2003? :mad:

Honestly, before this thread I really did thing you were doing good for the boards. Surely you can't be this ignorant. Go back and actually read posts in full. Nobody, not one soul, called Scott Steiner a good worker today. NOBODY! People said he accomplished a lot in his career. People said he USED to be a good worker. People said they feel he still has a role in the company.

Now read this again.

NOBODY said he was in Bret Hart's or Ric Flair's league.

NOBODY said he is a great worker today.

[PureHatred]

Dude are you, Red Hot Scott, reading anybody's posts?

Yeah he can't work well anymore. He can't work long matches. Then how about this for an idea... DON'T MAKE HIM WORK LONG MATCHES!!! Why people make pro wrestling out to be more complicated than brain surgery is mind blowing. Play to peoples strong points. It is a work after all.

Not to mention all of my arguments. He can't work. We get that. Wrestling is about mor ethan ringwork though. And as a worker with name value who can still put people over Steiner is an asset.

[Rob]

Dude are you, Red Hot Scott, reading anybody's posts?



Not to mention all of my arguments. He can't work. We get that. Wrestling is about mor ethan ringwork though. And as a worker with name value who can still put people over Steiner is an asset.


Oh my god! Someone who can actually read :love: :drool:

Come here and gives a cuddle! :kiss: