Brock is back...

[Mercury Bullet]

...out the door already?

Brock Lesnar Flips Out Backstage (http://www.tpww.net/2012/05/breaking-update-brock-lesnar-flips-out-backstage/)

If this is true?

I'm not surprised, he doesn't have the personality to make it in wrestling anymore. I think he thought he missed it and didn't mind making some big money for a little bit of work but he's quickly remembered why he left in the first place. Do you think he's done already?

[St. Jimmy]

It's true. I don't blame him, Cena being taken out on stretcher makes much more sense than that bullshit promo.

[Triple Naitch]

No. They've invested too much in him to let him go already.

[Droford]

He had 30 appearances to make in 1 year. Hes already made like 4. If he shows up on RAW/PPVs every week he'd have fulfilled his contract by the end of September. They're gonna have to stretch it out for 6 months somehow..I doubt he's back til August when he can have a match with HHH who will have had his arm "healed" by then..

[FearedSanctity]

Might he have overreacted? Sure. But from the sounds of it he had every reason to be fucking pissed. In what was supposed to be the most brutal beating of Cena's life, he essentially no sold it other than being like "lol my arm hurts guys". Cena being stretchered out was supposed to balance out Brock losing, instead he beat the shit out of Cena and had nothing to show for it

[Rammsteinmad]

Assuming this is all true, and not a work...

This is totally why I didn't really want Lesnar back to begin with. I mean, it's exciting and all, definitely no denying that, but basically 'Lesnar's Camp' sums it up right there. He's not 'one of the boys' and he doesn't really want to be there. He's there to make money, end of story.

All these guys who have spent the last year or two building themselves up towards the main event have had to take a back seat to first the Rock, and now Brock Lesnar. If it's true that he's getting paid $5 million, or whatever that huge sum was that he was rumoured to be making, for just 30 appearances, then I think he should just shut the fuck up and let what happens, happen. Him talking all this shit about how 'this is why WWE is in the state it's in'... I mean, he only came back to WWE because his MMA career didn't turn out the way he wanted.

Kinda feels like, at times, all his kayfabe stuff is really happening backstage. He leaves for eight years, comes back and just assumes 'I'm Brock Lesnar' so should be treated better than everyone else.

[Rammsteinmad]

Might he have overreacted? Sure. But from the sounds of it he had every reason to be fucking pissed. In what was supposed to be the most brutal beating of Cena's life, he essentially no sold it other than being like "lol my arm hurts guys". Cena being stretchered out was supposed to balance out Brock losing, instead he beat the shit out of Cena and had nothing to show for it

Whilst I agree with you, it's not like Brock came out of it looking weak though, did he?

[Big Vic]

One of the reasons Brock left the WWE in the first place was due to them changing plans at the last minute.

[FearedSanctity]

Maybe not necessarily "weak", but when you destroy someone and still lose and then they get up and cut a promo, how does that make you look?

Then again, if the plan for the end was to stretcher Cena out, what fucking sense does it make for him to win to begin with? I get that they needed to get Cena a big win soon, but this one just doesn't make too much sense

[Fignuts]

Maybe not necessarily "weak", but when you destroy someone and still lose and then they get up and cut a promo, how does that make you look?

Then again, if the plan for the end was to stretcher Cena out, what fucking sense does it make for him to win to begin with? I get that they needed to get Cena a big win soon, but this one just doesn't make too much sense

Because then Brock doesn't lose a thing from the the loss, and he can run roughshod over the wwe, all in preparation for the rematch against the one guy on the roster who's beaten him since his return.

[Fignuts]

While this mess doesn't kill Lesnar's return, it definitely would have been better for everyone if they stuck to the plan.

[Mercury Bullet]

While this mess doesn't kill Lesnar's return, it definitely would have been better for everyone if they stuck to the plan.


I agree. I think what they've done is piss off a guy who already is volatile and doesn't need to come back and work for them. They could still have a big storyline but they've just made one of the key players much harder to work with.

[PrettyCool]

GIMME A W!

GIMME AN O! (not the Big O, lol)

GIMME AN R!

GIMME A K!

WHAT DOES THAT SPELL?

WORK! WORK! WORK!

This is a work guys....

[Rammsteinmad]

Neither man here is in a position where looking strong or weak will have any major effect. They're both 'on that level'. Cena's promo didn't make him or Lesnar look any stronger or weaker than they were in the match itself. But ultimately, the whole crowd cheered for Cena after his promo, so Lesnar may have lost, but looks like a monster for destroying Cena throughout the entire match, Cena got a win, which didn't prove anything anyway, but with that promo, he has proven that he can win over a crowd, and if WWE won't turn him heel, then hopefully this is the first step in winning over the audience who dislike him.

[PrettyCool]

I admit, as someone who hated Cena when he was totally undefeated, I am rooting for him in this feud because Brock is so unlikeable (as a person, hes a great wrestler/fighter)

[MoFo]

Not true.

[erickman]

GIMME A W!

GIMME AN O! (not the Big O, lol)

GIMME AN R!

GIMME A K!

WHAT DOES THAT SPELL?

WORK! WORK! WORK!

This is a work guys....

yeah i am going with that, kind of like the rosa tag teams have no respect rants.

[Sepholio]

If they are changing plans to fuck with him then I don't blame him one bit. From his point of view that would look like they are just going to shit on him because he left in 2004 and now they get some payback.

Think of how everyone used to bitch so much about the Montreal screwjob. Not exactly the same thing, but basically, WWE changing plans at the last minute to shit on a talent without their knowledge.

With that being said, definite work. WWE would not have had the segment with him destroying HHH if this was in the least true. They would have had a segment saying Brock was all pissy about losing to Cena and no one knows where he is, and they would use him 'no-showing' as the reason for HHH rejecting his 'updated' contract. They are more or less playing this as another storyline where they are breaking kayfabe, ala CM Punk last year.

[FearedSanctity]

- As previously reported, Brock Lesnar had a backstage meltdown after his loss at Extreme Rules when John Cena cut a post-match promo instead of the original place to have him stretchered out of the building. Lesnar felt that he was made to look weak and that he was double-crossed by WWE officials. WWE's current mindset about Lesnar is that since he's getting paid a load of money to work a light schedule, he should be used to put over their top talents. There are some on Lesnar's side who believe WWE may have been testing Lesnar by changing the plan at Extreme Rules without telling him.

Lesnar lost it backstage in front of everyone, going on a tear. He specifically yelled at John Laurinaitis' assistant Marc Carano about how "everything is wrong" in WWE. There are those who think the tantrum was an act by Lesnar so he could show the rest of the boys that he has more power than WWE in their relationship and can leave any time he wants.

Lesnar also suggested during his tirade that Cena purposefully pulled down the top rope at Extreme Rules, which almost resulted in his knee getting blown out when they both fell out of the ring. Despite this, the two are believed to be on good terms and the accusation was likely just Brock being overly worked up.

Lesnar's relationship with WWE is said to be complicated at the moment. The company appears to be building toward a match with Triple H at SummerSlam based on what happened on Raw. Lesnar will most likely work the remaining "big" pay-per-views (Survivor Series, Royal Rumble) leading up to WrestleMania 29, which is will be his final match with the company.

Credit: Wrestling Observer

[Sepholio]

Then again, if the plan for the end was to stretcher Cena out, what fucking sense does it make for him to win to begin with? I get that they needed to get Cena a big win soon, but this one just doesn't make too much sense

Uh, WM 27? Undertaker got carried out of the arena after he beat HHH, and HHH was able to walk out under his own power. Same exact thing.

And people need to quit with the 'Cena needed a big win' garbage. What, he needs a big win because one loss to the rock after a decade of Cena beating on everyone just absolutely destroyed his credibility? Christ almighty, Cena could lose every match for a year and still be a top draw. Not necessarily taking a jab at you here FS, just tired of everyones CENA HAD TO WIN logic.

[Savio]

THIS IS ALL JOHN LAURINITIS'S FAULT!

John told Brock he could attack any official he wanted to! He also said he might pay him more because of it! HHH told him he cant and he snapped!

BUT THIS IS JOHNS FAULT!

[Sepholio]

Now that I think about it, the fact that Cena won should be proof that this whole angle is a work. If Brock was so worried about himself looking weak, he would have never agreed to let Cena go over him in the first place, really. This is all probably WWE trying to screw with all the fans (myself included) who think Brock should have won the match for the sake of his credibility.

And the way Cena worded his promo at Extreme Rules made it look like he KNEW he wasn't supposed to be doing the promo. The whole bit about him saying he was gonna get sent home or get sent on vacation for this. Get real, Cena has been around long enough to know not to go off script. If he was seriously doing a shoot interview, he would not have wasted the time saying that, but he did, which instantly drew attention to the fact that he 'wasn't supposed to be saying this stuff right now'. This is exactly why the interview was a part of the script.

Good shit though, should be interesting to see how they play this out without blowing it.

[FearedSanctity]

Uh, WM 27? Undertaker got carried out of the arena after he beat HHH, and HHH was able to walk out under his own power. Same exact thing.

And people need to quit with the 'Cena needed a big win' garbage. What, he needs a big win because one loss to the rock after a decade of Cena beating on everyone just absolutely destroyed his credibility? Christ almighty, Cena could lose every match for a year and still be a top draw. Not necessarily taking a jab at you here FS, just tired of everyones CENA HAD TO WIN logic.

I see your point, but while yes there could be some issue with HHH being able to walk out I guess, at least he didn't go into a promo afterward saying he was OK. They should've sold the beating better for the storylines sake, Cena win or not

And I don't really mean Cena needed a big win because he was on some sort of insane losing streak, but because they've been making him look like a bit of a bitch the last few months. So unless it was all leading to an eventual turn (which it seems will never happen), he kinda needed it to....well, look like less of a bitch

[dingdongyo]

so does brock have no credibility if he's not beating everyone and eating their faces off? the same way that cena has no credibility if he loses?

...wait, but you just said cena does still have credibility if he loses... so it's fine that brock lost, right? wait, no?

...

i don't understand the bitching. my guess is something happened you didn't like, and you feel like complaining that what you wanted is the way it's supposed to be.

but then again, fatty can go home for all i care.

[PrettyCool]

Again, Brock doesnt need the WWE

[Rammsteinmad]

WWE seemed to be doing okay for themselves without Brock, too.

[Crimson]

Well I doubt Brock can just walk out of a contract. I dont understand why Cena gave that promo ..what was the point of it? He didnt leave. He's going to wrestle at the next ppv.
So it'd make more sense if he was carried out on a stretcher.

[Crimson]

WWE seemed to be doing okay for themselves without Brock, too.

Yeah but did you forget that amazing night he came back? Brock brings in ratings, WWE knows it. Without Brock they'll be fine , but with him it brings in a little more interest.

[Sepholio]

It is a work. They are just trying to turn him into the biggest heel in the history of wrasslin'

[Rammsteinmad]

Yeah but did you forget that amazing night he came back? Brock brings in ratings, WWE knows it. Without Brock they'll be fine , but with him it brings in a little more interest.

I guess we'll wait to see how many PPV buys Extreme Rules got. If it's business as usual, they can blame it on The Miz again.

[Savio]

Vince might have told Cena to say the promo and say that he wasn't supposed to just so vince could say "Hey" i didnt tell him to do that"WWE seemed to be doing okay for themselves without Brock, too.
Yeah but I myself would not watch unless him or Rock is on that night.

[Triple Naitch]

I guess we'll wait to see how many PPV buys Extreme Rules got. If it's business as usual, they can blame it on The Miz again.

They'll cancel the YouTube preshow because of him.

[GD]

Brock's return did make a lot of commotion. The beating he gave Cena was new and refreshing for the new fans. He does bring excitement to the product.

The WWE should try to keep him happy. He is a precious commodity and should be treated as such.

[Jura]

I admit, as someone who hated Cena when he was totally undefeated, I am rooting for him in this feud because Brock is so unlikeable (as a person, hes a great wrestler/fighter)
Brock is a softie. He's probably normal, a little bit different maybe, but I don't think he's the heel that he wants everyone to see.

[Juan]

As we've been reporting here on the site, Brock Lesnar did throw a tantrum backstage after Extreme Rules, f4wonline.com is reporting that it was partially a 'work' on the locker room as a way to convince people that Cena going over was the right decision. Lesnar was upset about the finish, but "some, if not most" of the situation was not entirely legitimate.

WWE tried to have word leak out on Monday that Lesnar had quit the company, likely to get the "dirt sheets" reporting it so people would be surprised when Lesnar showed up on RAW. However, by the time that this was going on, it was already out there that Lesnar was at the arena and going to be at RAW.

[Gertner]

If the buyrate is low, it's because Daniel Bryan dragged it down like he's been dragging down Smackdown's ratings for the past year (1.72 rating past week).

[DLVH84]

GIMME A W!

GIMME AN O! (not the Big O, lol)

GIMME AN R!

GIMME A K!

WHAT DOES THAT SPELL?

WORK! WORK! WORK!

This is a work guys....

Nice cheer, PrettyCool.

[Wake Up Call]

Johnny L. is becoming more and more like Eric Bishoff every night.

John Cena is terrible.

Lesnar should never speak into a live microphone.

[Sepholio]

And thus concludes another Wake Up Call Nugget of Wisdom®

[Heyman]

...out the door already?

Brock Lesnar Flips Out Backstage (http://www.tpww.net/2012/05/breaking-update-brock-lesnar-flips-out-backstage/)

If this is true?

I'm not surprised, he doesn't have the personality to make it in wrestling anymore. I think he thought he missed it and didn't mind making some big money for a little bit of work but he's quickly remembered why he left in the first place. Do you think he's done already?

If this story of Brock flipping out isn't a work, then I have to say that I've lost a lot of respect for the guy.

Even though he was hated in UFC, I supported Lesnar because of this WWE background........and because I suspected that he was being hated on for his WWE background. Now however, I'm starting to feel that maybe the guy genuinely is a selfish and ungrateful prick. :n:

[Emperor Smeat]

Its a work and one of the downsides of Lesnar's deal having very limited dates since the WWE needs to spread it out until next year's Mania. TNA had a similar issue with RVD's first deal with the company.

Seems like they tried to pull a Russo in late WCW with the worked incident but messed up by not organizing it better.

[Jimmy King]

i wish brock stayed with ufc, its so much better for him, his promos suck, ring work is good tho (brock is my idol btw lol) i got hooked on him 2004 when I was like 9 followed him to nfl then mma and have been inspired to pursue mma cuz of him, i dont like his return to wwe but i watch cuz its brock

[Keith]

I read that story on the front page where it basically says that WWE is not only trying to work the internet dirtsheets and the fans, but also the talent and backstage people using fake injuries and fake tantrums. And reportedly, Lesnar's tantrum was a part of this new "strategy" WWE is using.

I think it's crazy (in a good way) that they're trying to keep everything as "real" as possible without it being actually real, as well as trying to keep everything "under wraps", and they're going as far as working their own talent. That is not something we've seen much of, if at all.

[Jimmy King]

@ Jimmy King - I don't think Lesnar's promo's have been all that bad to be honest. I would actually consider him to be doing pretty well in this regard. His promo's seem very real and his intensity is great.

his "ive been dominate,im an ass kicker" promo was good

[Keith]

To be fair, Brock Lesnar has never been "a master of the mic". That's never been his strongpoint.

Having said that, his promos haven't been bad, IMO. They've served their purpose.

[XL]

I read that story on the front page where it basically says that WWE is not only trying to work the internet dirtsheets and the fans, but also the talent and backstage people using fake injuries and fake tantrums. And reportedly, Lesnar's tantrum was a part of this new "strategy" WWE is using.

I think it's crazy (in a good way) that they're trying to keep everything as "real" as possible without it being actually real, as well as trying to keep everything "under wraps", and they're going as far as working their own talent. That is not something we've seen much of, if at all.
With so many leaks to the dirtsheets you can hardly blame WWE for "working" behind the curtain.

[XL]

Also, wouldn't surprise me if all this stuff was a work to turn the IWC/smart fans against Lesnar.