The Heyman Rant

[tjmidnight420]

HeymanHustle (https://twitter.com/#%21/HeymanHustle)

Shortened version via Ryan Clark:

"I know how much hard work goes into it, and how you have to SCORE with your opportunities,” Heyman wrote. “The next generation in this (or any other business) doesn’t just need to ‘Step Up,’ they need to ‘Stand Up’ and ‘Get Noticed!’


Think it was easy for C.M. Punk? Think it was easy for Daniel Bryan? They had to scratch and claw and fight for every inch of turf they could pry away from the previous generation, who made them f—in’ earn it!!!


It’s not about backstabbing. It’s not about kissing ass. It’s not about pulling a hot stunt and getting momentary publicity. It’s about creating your own opportunity (like Steve Austin did with “Stone Cold”) and working harder than everyone else looking for the big break, the next chance, the golden opportunity. This isn’t a pep talk. It’s the lay of the land as I see it in today’s sports entertainment industry.


…AMBITION. ASSERTIVENESS … and the ABILITY TO BACK IT UP is what it takes to create the next generation of main eventers. The talent is there. The opportunity has never been more widespread. The need for new main eventers is readily apparent ‘DOCILE’ and ‘COMPLACENT’ and ‘HUMBLE TO A FAULT’ won’t cut it.



While a dose of humility is always needed, that ‘main event confidence’ is just as important. And it’s time for the next group of superstars to stake their claim and create their own generation for others to follow. Period.”


Thoughts?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yes, yes and yes. Heyman's kind of sketchy, and who knows his actual motives behind said rant, but he's speaking the truth.

You only get so far being a "company guy" and playing humble. At some point you need to be a bit of a cunt.

[JimmyMess]

He's always right, even when he's wrong, he is right

[Keith]

If Paul Heyman got the opportunity to work with all the young talent WWE has right now (Ziggler, Cody Rhodes, Daniel Bryan, Punk, Miz, Del Rio, Ryback, and many more) I'm sure he'd be able to get the most out of all of them. Let's hope that is the case, because all these new, young guys WWE has posses all the potential in the world, but something's going on that they haven't gotten past a certain level. There seems to be no real direction.

If Paul got to work with them, he'd be like a kid in a candy store.

[ace3025]

Ziggler and Cody and Miz are the first people that come to mind when I read this. Like Keith said, they're all at the same level where you see the pieces, but something's not clicking. Herman working them would take them to completely new levels and make them count

Jericho chimed in: “I agree with @HeymanHustle diatribe and I would like to add one more piece of advice. To really make it in this business…. you have to be willing to take a chance. And if that pisses some people off than so be it! Stop being so nice. Nice doesn’t cut it.”

[XL]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, what exactly can a guy like Ziggler do? Goes out and had excellent matches week in, week out. Can deliver a decent promo. Has the right look and so on. Without bring given that push by management, what can he do?

[Keith]

^^^^
That's where Heyman would come in. He would come in to create the ideal situations where guys like Ziggler can excel and get to the next level.

[Hanso Amore]

If Paul Heyman got the opportunity to work with all the young talent WWE has right now (Ziggler, Cody Rhodes, Daniel Bryan, Punk, Miz, Del Rio, Ryback, and many more) I'm sure he'd be able to get the most out of all of them. Let's hope that is the case, because all these new, young guys WWE has posses all the potential in the world, but something's going on that they haven't gotten past a certain level. There seems to be no real direction.

If Paul got to work with them, he'd be like a kid in a candy store.

Imagine Ryback in the old ECW. Would be booked like a fucking monster. And that lariat would lead to so many HOLY SHIT chants.

[whiteyford]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, what exactly can a guy like Ziggler do? Goes out and had excellent matches week in, week out. Can deliver a decent promo. Has the right look and so on. Without bring given that push by management, what can he do?

PR work, appearances etc., worked wonders for the Miz and Sheamus.

[XL]

^^^^
That's where Heyman would come in. He would come in to create the ideal situations where guys like Ziggler can excel and get to the next level.
But Heyman isn't coming in to write angles for these guys. Besides, he's putting it all on them. He's saying " ...it’s time for the next group of superstars to stake their claim and create their own generation for others to follow." He puts the onus directly on the wrestlers.

Ziggler has done everything to impress in the ring and has had excellent matches with main event calibre guys (Punk, Orton). What more can he do? What does he need to do?

PR work, appearances etc., worked wonders for the Miz and Sheamus.
Nah. We're talking about a level above where The Miz was. We're talking about being the Austin's, Rock's, HHH's, Taker's of this generation. Not being a "Main Eventer" for 6 months and then plummeting.

[whiteyford]

Aside from getting the support/sharing a bed with someone higher up the chain there isnt a whole lot you can do unless you're given the ball to run with. Punk and Bryan are the best two examples of late but even then i don't think they'll reach that level unless someone in charge really wants them too.

[Mr. JL]

This is coming from a man who jumped over that line; was a 'CUNT' and thus had been exiled from the WWE for 5+YEARS until now.

[Mr. JL]

Most young up-coming wrestlers who just landed their dream job and are making good money for the first time in their lives probably do not wish to risk being fired.

[tjmidnight420]

I like Heyman. I wish he was given more of a chance when WWE brought back ECW.

[Ultra Mantis]

PR work, appearances etc., worked wonders for the Miz and Sheamus.

Public appearances are generally booked through the office though right? If the company doesnt want to send you somewhere to represent them then you're not going. Miz and Sheamus only started doing the media blitz when they were already being pushed heavily and holding shiny belts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Heyman is right, but others have pointed out that it's not exactly the easiest thing in the world to do. Zack Ryder and Santino Marella have made nice little niches for themselves by standing out, but they're hardly main event talents right now. I guess in time, that could change.

I think what a guy like Dolph Ziggler should be doing is looking for a way to catch fire. Yeah, right now, he's out there and he's putting on some great performances -- but he should be working out ways to deliver lines that just resonate with audiences, and to get himself to that "next level" with his promos and character.

Although, in the thread with the blogs from former WWE writers, apparently Dolph has been yelled at for going off the script a few times. :-\

[K.Smoke]

I'm in partial agreement
When I look at the fact that Sheamus is a 2 time WWE Champion and current WHC and about to fight Del Rio also a 2 time WWE and more than likely next WHC. I say wow 2 guys who doesn't have extensive history already at such high heights. And When I see a guy like Mcguilicutty who shows sooo much potential that u can tell that its just in his blood get pushed to the NXT roster. smh.

But I have notice that hard working guys like Debiase and Ziggler and the Miz are making a name for themselves with the little time they got. And because of this the WWE needs 3 hours.

[Mr. Nerfect]

For the record, I think that Dolph Ziggler is winning Money in the Bank this year, and that he will use it to win the World Heavyweight Title as a babyface. Ziggler's current angle seems to be leading to a split from Vickie Guerrero and Jack Swagger, and I think we could see a match between the two as early as No Way Out, which Ziggler would win and then ride the momentum of.

So maybe Ziggler's work has already gotten him noticed, and put in motion a plan to make him a permanent main event level guy?

[St. Jimmy]

Heyman is awesome, as always.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Imagine Ryback in the old ECW. Would be booked like a fucking monster. And that lariat would lead to so many HOLY SHIT chants.

Choked out by Taz. See ya later.

See: Brakkus, 911, One Man Gang,

OR...

Acid Drop by Little Spike Dudley.

See: Mable.

Same thing.

[Fignuts]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, what exactly can a guy like Ziggler do? Goes out and had excellent matches week in, week out. Can deliver a decent promo. Has the right look and so on. Without bring given that push by management, what can he do?

If biographies of people like HBK and Jericho are anything to go by, he should walk right up to vince, and tell him that he should be a top guy.

[K.Smoke]

To me Ziggler is a Mr. Perfect upgrade. I always liked Curt but he was just missing something and whatever that was Ziggler has it. Ziggler vs Sheamus is definately match of the week hands down. He made Sheamus look better than ever. It reminds me of how the Miz started looking impressive during his title reign.

[FourFifty]

He's always right, even when he's wrong, he is right

Too bad his check book in ECW didn't quite agree...

Heyman is a great on-air talent, and a good promoter, but when he fails, he FAILS hard.

[K.Smoke]

Yeah knowing how to promote and being a great speaker (which is almost the same) doesn't mean u manage money well good thing he wont have to. But Heyman, Bischoff and their like deserve a HOF ring.

[whiteyford]

Public appearances are generally booked through the office though right? If the company doesnt want to send you somewhere to represent them then you're not going. Miz and Sheamus only started doing the media blitz when they were already being pushed heavily and holding shiny belts.

The talkshow stuff and the like yeah, i think alot of the smaller stuff like local radio and whatever just need approval.

[whiteyford]

Still it comes down to who the company wants to push in the end and taking advantage of any opportunitys presented, nobody will be a breakout star without the company wanting them to be though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah knowing how to promote and being a great speaker (which is almost the same) doesn't mean u manage money well good thing he wont have to. But Heyman, Bischoff and their like deserve a HOF ring.

Bischoff doesn't belong in the same sentence as Heyman. Heyman's a HoF lock soon enough though. Barring some insane falling out with Vince or him murdering a woman and child.

[K.Smoke]

Bischoff doesn't belong in the same sentence as Heyman. Heyman's a HoF lock soon enough though. Barring some insane falling out with Vince or him murdering a woman and child.

The fact that u know who Bischoff is proves that he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He has made appearances in all the top wrestling brands in the world. Though Ted Turner sold WCW while he was at the helm it was during a time where WCW was gaining enough momentum to possibly eclipse the WWF. NWO was his idea. Even though Vince hated Bishcoff he recognized his talent and hired the guy. TNA didn't began to flourish until they bought in Bishcoff. He's a hall of famer for sure.

Speaking of Hall of fame Dixie talking about a TNA Hall of is just too premature. Its only been 10 yrs.

[#1-norm-fan]

The fact that u know who Bischoff is proves that he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

I also know who Jerry Flynn is...

[#1-norm-fan]

I also know who Bubba the Love Sponge is...

[#1-norm-fan]

I also know who Nicole Bass is...

Thus proving that all three deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

[loopydate]

Uh-oh. Let's not get going on who we know, lest we get 300 names of Japanese wrestlers from the 1980s.

[K.Smoke]

My point is that he made a name for himself in all these brands of wrestling because he's an exceptional talent. The guys u mention are wrestlers but guys like the mouth of the south Jimmy hart and Bobby the brain are guys who deserve to go in for different reasons. Bischoff despite how much he is hated has done a lot for wrestling

[#1-norm-fan]

I know Rob Bartlett. Original commentator of the most popular show in wrestling history. HoF bound.

[St. Jimmy]

We agree that Heyman is god, this thread is a success.

[Fox]

Heyman is absolutely right. And it doesn't just go for the WWE; it goes the business world as a whole. The people at the top like underlings who do their bidding and move the rocks around like little fucking ants. But what they like MORE than their underlings are their underlings who stand up and say "Why the fuck am I moving fucking rocks?"

You have to be talented, focused and unwilling to let anyone else stand in your way of achieving what you want. That doesn't mean being an asshole or underhanded or shady, necessarily - it means taking what is yours and pushing the limits.

Part of the problem with the WWE right now is the scripting. From the insider view of the WWE that ex-writer posted about, it's very clear that each promo is scripted and that the writers get mad when a guy goes off script. But Stone Cold never had a script. The Rock sure as hell never had a script. He said that John Cena and CM Punk go off script quite often, but no one questions it because they're top guys. I'm sure there have been times when Dolph, Cody, or Miz have had to say some shit in a script that they weren't feeling - maybe there was something else that they wanted to say - something they really felt passionate about in terms of their character and their storyline. But they probably DIDN'T say it because they're afraid for their jobs.

What WWE needs is a revolution. More and more mid-card guys going off the script. They can't fire everyone. Can you really see WWE de-pushing Rhodes, Ziggler, Miz, Santino, and others, or possibly even letting them go, for going off script? If one guy does it, he'll suffer and the others will get the rise. If everyone does it, and more importantly, if they cause a buzz by doing it, then there's nothing that the WWE writers can do about it except change THEIR tone.

WWE needs a revolution. It's been way too stale and way too scripted for way too long. CM Punk went off the script back in July. He made Vince McMahon apologize to him in the middle of the ring. He told Vince he would kick him in the nuts and Vince would smile at him and like it and show him the respect he deserves. And now look at him.

[K.Smoke]

Fox
So u mean they need to bring back the attitude era.

The script is the secondary problem
The main problem is the booking. We need to see more of the young talent. This can easily be done by allowing less matches where the WWE and WHC are in matches. They should Job more and fight more in PPVs like the olden days.