View Full Version : Who will have the most successful career?
tjogo
06-27-2012, 11:26 PM
I'm going with CM Punk when it's all said and done but I think Orton has accomplished more as of now.
Nark Order
06-28-2012, 02:43 AM
I want to say Punk but I could imagine a scenario of him getting pissed again one day and leaving for the indies for good.
Rammsteinmad
06-28-2012, 07:55 AM
What was the reasoning behind this thread? Kinda curious why tjogo chose Orton and Punk to compare who would have more success.
My answer; in the long run, I think Punk may overcome Orton, but right now it's Orton.
Orton has and will always have a better career than Punk, IMO.
It has helped that guys like Angle, Michaels and the like were still around when Orton was in the main event but Punk was an ECW jobber. I mean Orton was having classic matches with Taker on PPVs while Punk was busy losing to Chavo and Hardcore Holly.
SlickyTrickyDamon
06-28-2012, 08:35 AM
Orton has and will always have a better career than Punk, IMO.
He's about to get fired and then it'll be all over for him.
XCaliber
06-28-2012, 11:25 AM
Have to go with Orton somehow I think he will have more longevity that would be the difference maker.
MisterLee
06-28-2012, 11:28 AM
I cared about contributing to this thread until your signature loaded on my web browser and now I am at a lost for words.
Volare
06-28-2012, 11:40 AM
Should've made a 3rd option for Kevin Nash.
Schlomey
06-28-2012, 11:53 AM
Random but I'll bite. CM Punk can be heel or face at the drop of a hat. CM Punk doesn't abuse pills or alcohol causing in-flight fiascos and suspensions. CM Punk is a student of the game and respects the business. CM Punk is a team player (how many guys did he put over in 2010/2011 before winning?) .
I can't say very many of those things about Randy Orton.
Nicky Fives
06-28-2012, 12:03 PM
Randy Orton
tjogo
06-28-2012, 12:53 PM
I picked these two because it seems like Orton's future is unsure but he had a much more successful career in his early days while it looks like Punk is just getting started.
Here's the thing about Orton you have to consider. He was a 3rd generation superstar which meant he had connections CM Punk didn't have which got him the early jump which this is true for Cody Rhodes also. I'm not taking anything away from their skill set it's just that they had better exposure and were brought into this company earlier.
Sepholio
06-28-2012, 02:59 PM
I recall CM Punk saying he doesn't plan to wrestle much longer and that his retirement is coming much sooner than anyone thinks. If that is the case, then there is no way in hell he can even hope to eclipse what Orton has already done, let alone what he will do in the future considering he is still fairly young.
Orton has and will always have a better career than Punk, IMO.
pretty much this. Of course that could change but I don't see it happening.
Innovator
06-28-2012, 03:19 PM
Until now Orton, but that can change pretty quickly.
Random but I'll bite. CM Punk can be heel or face at the drop of a hat. CM Punk doesn't abuse pills or alcohol causing in-flight fiascos and suspensions. CM Punk is a student of the game and respects the business. CM Punk is a team player (how many guys did he put over in 2010/2011 before winning?) .
I can't say very many of those things about Randy Orton.
as can Orton, especially now he's found his "niche".
neither does Orton and hasn't for a long time (current suspension is rumoured to be some variety of steroid/growth hormone or a "tainted supplement")
so is Randy Orton
so is Randy Orton
Emperor Smeat
06-28-2012, 04:38 PM
Right now its Orton but overall I can see Punk having a better one once its all over.
Orton having 2 Wellness Policy strikes is a big problem since the WWE would have to be concerned about Orton failing again and already have been moving towards Sheamus as replacing Orton as the mega star of Smackdown.
CM Punk already has a more succesfull career. CM Punk will go down alongside Hogan, Rock, Austin, Cena etc.
A true great.
Orton will go around Foley, Macho Man, Bret hart etc, the almost greats.
It really depends on how you measure success in the wrestling world.
Orton has achieved a lot of accolades in his career, but he's also a "WWE made" guy, and it's arguable that he got some of these accolades because of his third generation status more so than his actual skill. CM Punk's success story is much greater than Orton's. Here's a guy who came up from nothing - who had to work the indies for years and earn his respect there before breaking into the WWE and spending over a year losing again and again and again but never losing his steam or his momentum or the power of his character on TV, before finally breaking through the glass ceiling last summer. Orton had everything given to him. Punk had to earn everything he has.
Randy might have a Royal Rumble victory under his name, but CM Punk is the only man to ever win Money in the Bank two years in a row. Orton also lost his WrestleMania title shot after his Rumble victory (in that terrible WM25 match against Triple H), while Punk cashed in successfully both times. He is also the only man to ever make Vince McMahon publicly apologize to him inside "this very ring", and he is also the man who got rid of Jeff Hardy for good.
If you look at who is better on the mic, there's no question. Punk reigns over Orton in this category hands down and always will. Randy's promos are all the same and they've been all the same since he came into this company. Punk can play the face or the heel and he can do both spectacularly. Very few men are as smart, witty and intense on the microphone as CM Punk. Randy is monotonous and tries to be this "venomous" character, but often its just boring.
Who's had the better matches? I think it's too early to tell, but the consistency of Punk's good matches far outweighs the consistency of Orton's good matches. Punk took Cena to the best match of his career last year. His matches against Jericho and his matches against Daniel Bryan (TV and PPV) have all been outstanding. Then you look at his matches against guys like John Morrison, The Miz, Jeff Hardy and Rey Mysterio and again, they are all very, very good. The only truly GREAT matches I can recall Orton having are against Mick Foley in 2004, his first World title match against Benoit, his recent matches against Christian, and a couple of his encounters against Undertaker. Most of his other big matches have been pretty subpar - especially his runs against Cena and Triple H. Good matches, yes, but GREAT matches? No.
Who sells more shit? Right now, Orton probably has the ups on CM Punk over the course of their careers, but that could change depending on how long Punk stays with the company and how long Orton survives in the company.
My final answer? CM Punk.
tjogo
06-28-2012, 06:14 PM
CM Punk already has a more succesfull career. CM Punk will go down alongside Hogan, Rock, Austin, Cena etc.
A true great.
Orton will go around Foley, Macho Man, Bret hart etc, the almost greats.
That is not true. Orton has accomplished more he's been main eventing and has been relevant since 04 while CM Punk came around 08 and was losing to some bums from ECW. Like I said before Orton was a 3rd generation star and he had connections Punk had which is why Orton's career got started earlier and he became relevant earlier. As of now Orton has done more but down the long run if
CM Punk doesn't leave or anything he's the one.
SlickyTrickyDamon
06-28-2012, 06:17 PM
Orton ruins whatever legacy he has if he gets caught again. Sort of proving why he was such a success with the steroids. Also his main gimmick of being explosive is a side-effect from his steroid use.
Other than that he has the Diamond Cutter.
Whatever Punk accomplishes its better than what Orton does cause Punk did it fair, clean and legal. Punk is what the wrestler needs to be in the future so people can see it can be done. Anybody who says they want Punk to "bulk up" is the enemy.
professional wrestling isn't the Olympics. And most of Orton's "success" and "critically acclaimed" performances have been since the wellness policy was implemented/when he quite visibly shrunk/wasn't on gear
and I have no idea what "his main gimmick of being explosive is a side-effect from his steroid use" is even supposed to mean
SlickyTrickyDamon
06-28-2012, 06:28 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_explosive_disorder
Intermittent explosive disorder. Roid Rage.
tjogo
06-28-2012, 06:30 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_explosive_disorder
Intermittent explosive disorder. Roid Rage.
Got him coach!:cool:
yes, I know what you were getting at but it's quite an absurd parallel to draw (plus your article there doesn't once mention steroids) Once again, his "madman"/IED gimmick came into play after the wellness policy/after he shrunk/was passing piss tests. You've just combined "steroids" with "angry gimmick" simply because you've heard the term "roid rage" banded about. By all means have an opinion on who you like more, who's matches/promos/look/moments etc that you prefer but don't just post random speculative nonsense because half the people in this forum will probably take it as a bastard fact.
but don't just post random speculative nonsense because half the people in this forum will probably take it as a bastard fact.
Got him coach!:cool:
see: this guy
tjogo
06-28-2012, 06:39 PM
See: this guy
Yep you're really funny and creative that's why you type in white.
You should really change your gay ass avatar that looks like some gay vampire that just choked up a mouth full of semen.
Yep you're really funny and creative that's why you type in white.
You should really change your gay ass avatar that looks like some gay vampire that just choked up a mouth full of semen.
I just have to quote it for posterity
It shall live forever like an ancient artifact. The Earth will fall and the Aliens will take over and one day something will find that post and it'll have it's own huge display in the human section of the Alien museums and creatures will travel from far and wide to see it
tjogo
06-28-2012, 06:44 PM
I just have to quote it for posterity
It shall live forever like an ancient artifact. The Earth will fall and the Aliens will take over and one day something will find that post and it'll have it's own huge display in the human section of the Alien museums and creatures will travel from far and wide to see it
settle down big guy
you just made potentially the single most retarded post in the 12 years this forum has been running and I'm supposed to settle down? this is like the Millenium or Haley's Comet or a total solar eclipse or something
and for the record, I type in white because it also makes my posts sparkle, not just because I'm really funny and creative
tjogo
06-28-2012, 06:51 PM
you just made potentially the single most retarded post in the 12 years this forum has been running and I'm supposed to settle down? this is like the Millenium or Haley's Comet or a total solar eclipse or something
What the got em coach thing? I'm sorry you have a stick up your ass because you're an uptight 40 year old virgin with hemorrhoids who can't take a joke.
CSL
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lol no dear, not the got em coach thing
tjogo
06-28-2012, 06:53 PM
lol no dear, not the got em coach thing
I love how you ignored the rest of my post.
tjogo
06-28-2012, 07:05 PM
relax big girl
Dukelorange
06-28-2012, 07:21 PM
Randy Orton's angle with HHH was gold...
tjogo
06-28-2012, 07:36 PM
Lol this Juan guy is a douche bag like 95% of the people on this forum. The only ones who aren't douches are SlickyTricky, KSmoke, Smelly Meatball, and Cool King.
What was the reasoning behind this thread? Kinda curious why tjogo chose Orton and Punk to compare who would have more success.
My guess is because of some article on the dirt sheets saying how WWE views CM Punk as THE #2 face now in the company instead of Punk and Orton sharing the spot before Orton's suspension.
Anyway, to answer the question, Orton as of right now, but if Punk keeps it up, he'll surpass Orton soon.
Lol this Juan guy is a douche bag like 95% of the people on this forum. The only ones who aren't douches are SlickyTricky, KSmoke, Smelly Meatball, and Cool King.
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tjogo
06-28-2012, 07:40 PM
95% of the people on this forum.. You have a different opinion than me you are wrong, a faggot, and shouldn't post!You guys are fags on here no wonder why nobody new ever joins.. lls..
tjogo
06-28-2012, 07:42 PM
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This is your homie, Juan.
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You guys are fags on here no wonder why nobody new ever joins.. lls..
It's not about having an opinion, it's about turning into a whining faggot when someone challenges your opinion. Sack up, chump stain.
tjogo
06-28-2012, 07:43 PM
It's not about having an opinion, it's about turning into a whining faggot when someone challenges your opinion. Sack up, chump stain.
Lol... not true your boy ermaximus was fucking with my rep and calling me a fag because I said I didn't find Layla attractive.
Although to be fair, it's kind of hard to argue with Ermaximus' logic here.
tjogo
06-28-2012, 07:48 PM
Rep is serious business.
Not really but calling someone a faggot and telling someone they shouldn't post because they have a different opinion than you wrong isn't right.
Not really but calling someone a faggot and telling someone they shouldn't post because they have a different opinion than you wrong isn't right.
Is this your first message board? People are gonna call you a faggot. Deal with it.
Also...
You guys are fags on here no wonder why nobody new ever joins.. lls..
tjogo
06-28-2012, 07:51 PM
You're kind of a douche bag like 95% of the people here who just post sarcastic condescending bullshit. I tried to post good threads where it would get people talking and ultimately making the forum have more users but it seems there are just some really insecure people on here who will just try to tamper with your threads.
tjogo
06-28-2012, 07:54 PM
Is this your first message board? People are gonna call you a faggot. Deal with it.
Also...
No.
I also have no reason to call someone a faggot unless they give me a reason to.
I try to joke on here but everyone is so uptight from the hemorrhoids they have because they're 40. I guess this forum and wrestling forums period aren't for me.
you realize your thread was going perfectly fine until
Yep you're really funny and creative that's why you type in white.
You should really change your gay ass avatar that looks like some gay vampire that just choked up a mouth full of semen.
and that leaves you without a leg to stand on with the claims you're making
This is my first time replying to one of your threads...........
If you're gonna flip out every time someone insults you or neg reps you with the word faggot, then maybe this isn't the place for you.
Or like I suggest earlier; sack up.
tjogo
06-28-2012, 08:04 PM
you realize your thread was going perfectly fine until
and that leaves you without a leg to stand on with the claims you're making
It's after you started getting all insecure with the comment I made because you were shown up by someone posting a link. You got all mad because you're insecure and started coming up with all these douche bag remarks then I retaliated telling you how it is and your current situation, then probably you sitting behind your computer nodded your head and agreed with the comments and went to go eat your feelings or something.
It's not that i've never been called a faggot on a message board before it's just that I tried to be a beneficial member to this forum by posting some good threads just you guys are asshole and aren't used to anyone joining because it's you 6 30k+ posts who have been here forever acting like you're some kind of gods.
tjogo
06-28-2012, 08:06 PM
lol
my point
It's after you started getting all insecure with the comment I made because you were shown up by someone posting a link. You got all mad because you're insecure and started coming up with all these douche bag remarks then I retaliated telling you how it is and your current situation, then probably you sitting behind your computer nodded your head and agreed with the comments and went to go eat your feelings or something.
ahahaha
tjogo
06-28-2012, 08:19 PM
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=116335
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=118954
You guys are douchebags, the mods suck, and this forum blows in general. IDK why I start watching wrestling again or let alone joining some shitty wrestling forum. Damn you Yahoo.
Well you guys suck and i'm going back to OS.
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I'm so grateful for this place being a safe haven for mature debate.
Rammsteinmad
06-29-2012, 07:02 AM
Lol this Juan guy is a douche bag like 95% of the people on this forum. The only ones who aren't douches are SlickyTricky, KSmoke, Smelly Meatball, and Cool King.
I am the 5%! :foc:
Rammsteinmad
06-29-2012, 07:05 AM
Back on subject, there have been some interesting points bought up in this thread.
Although I still think Orton currently has had the most success, I do believe somewhere down the line CM Punk will change this.
Another point to consider, which I don't think has been brought, is that CM Punk has now held the title for, what, six or seven months? How long was Orton's longest title reign? This years Wrestlemania could also serve to show the standings of both men in the companies eyes. CM Punk was more-or-less in the main event, in a well booked, highly promoted match against Chris Jericho, which only came second to JOHN CENA and THE fucking ROCK!!! Orton was put into a throwaway match against Kane, which was really chucked together because neither man had anything going on.
He's not quite there yet, but somewhere down the line, five, maybe ten years, CM Punk could very easily surpass anything Orton has done.
Damndirty
06-29-2012, 08:51 AM
Here's another thing to consider- Orton is still failing the Wellness Policy, and I predict he will have the third strike, be OUT, and pretty much answer the debate.
I love Orton, but fact is he may screw himself in this.
Saving Grace
06-29-2012, 10:25 AM
CM Punk simply for the fact the way the company has gotten behind him right now and consistently he has been on par with top notch performances, interviews, and has done very well in his lengthy reign with the WWE Championship to this point.
He is currently over 220 days into this reign, which is the longest in 15 years for the WWE Title. I haven't seen him not be over or not be on top of his game since Money in the Bank last year when he beat Cena for the title and he's been on fire since then.
Orton on the other hand, does have the track record with the company, however I can't seem to overlook his latest Wellness Policy violation with the company. One more strike and he's out. Orton is also very one dimensional to me either heel or face. You can almost know when the RKO is coming and his interview skills are subpar. It would take alot for me to see and say Randy Orton is better than CM Punk again, and he would have to really re-invent himself as either a heel or face for him to get over again with me.
Rammsteinmad
06-29-2012, 12:29 PM
I wouldn't call him a douchebag. I'm sure he's probably a nice guy.
SlickyTrickyDamon
06-29-2012, 12:36 PM
I wouldn't call him a douchebag. I'm sure he's probably a PrettyCool guy.
Fixed.
tjmidnight420
06-29-2012, 11:42 PM
Just love how people get on here spewing random bullshit and act like it's fact. Also love how the '5%' are the ones who actually know what the hell they're talking about. For the record: I learned a lot about wrestling on these boards. Not everyone here gets along with me and that's fine. To guys like CSL who actually know more than the average smark and have the nuts to call people (even me) on the bullshit I have to thank you. Some of you have actually taken the time to learn about the business even if you aren't involved in it and it's that knowledge that keeps me wading through the bullshit in the wrestling forum, learning what I can and offering my input on the things I know about.
As for the poll, ask me when it's over.
Crazy Nick
06-30-2012, 12:51 AM
I would have to go with CM Punk having the most successful career. Don't get me wrong I like Randy Orton but it seems as if he can't stay out of trouble to have a good career, his demons are catching up with him.
Gertner
06-30-2012, 09:39 AM
Randy Orton. Punk has a loooooong way to surpass Randy.
Mr. Nerfect
06-30-2012, 11:06 AM
CSL is fantastic. What the fuck does Randy Orton taking roids in real life have to do with the fictional character he portrays?
I voted for CM Punk, because now that Orton does have two strikes against his name, I think the WWE will dial back on pushing him as the #2 guy. Also, the dude seems more injury prone than a lot of other top WWE names. Orton has simply lost his reliability as a top draw in the WWE, and my prediction is that being a secondary character, combined with mounting injuries and time on the road is going to wear Orton down a lot sooner than Punk -- who remains clean and I predict is about to really be given the ball, so to speak.
That being said, I am curious to see what Orton would do if he did leave the WWE. Could you imagine Orton in TNA? That would certainly cause quite a stir.
I keep forgetting Punk is still champ, not really the mark of a great reign.
Mr. Nerfect
06-30-2012, 11:21 AM
Not really the mark of a great memory.
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