Best Wrestler #2

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Macho Man snapped into the Slim Jim that is Taz's spine, pummeling him mercilessly to advance to the second round of our tournament. We will see Mr. Savage again shortly.

Many people voiced concerns that the first matchup of our Best Wrestler Tournament was too lopsided and easy. Somehow I don't think we'll have that problem in matchup #2.

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The Undertaker

vs.

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"Stone Cold" Steve Austin




3 days.



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[Tazz Dan]

Undertaker. Close one here for me, but he's had an amazing career, and has managed to keep his character relatively fresh during that time.

[Lock Jaw]

Too easy for me.

Did not care for Austin unless he was a heel.

Taker wins hands down.

[Kane Knight]

I had to pause and think, but I'm siding with the Undertaker.

[TheFallenOneX]

STONE COLD STONE COLD STONE COLD

[Destor]

Taker. I think he's generated more revenue over a longer period of time and is one of the only 5 guys i think belongs in the Greatest of All Time conversation.

[Indifferent Clox]

who are the other 4?

[Destor]

hogan flair misawa and rikidozan

[Destor]

Taker and Hogan make the list for money reasons almost exclusively. Taker has left a very imnpressive legacy as well though. Flair for the ammount of stars he made while making huge money. rikidozan for they way he shaped the entire industry (and thus making it profitable one) and misawa for his workrate and drawing power.

[Destor]

HBM Kobashi Inoki and Babba are on the bubble for me.

[KaosDarksol]

Stone cold! Stone cold!

Edit: thought I was going to be the funny one to say it first

[Malfeitor]

Taker it easy.

[Skippord]

I love them both but I'm going with Taker for longevity

[drmayberry7]

Too hard for me to pick. I won't do, I JUST WON'T DO IT!!!!

[drmayberry7]

I pick Stone Cold

[whiteyford]

Austin, arguably the biggest star in the sport. Love 'Taker but his early years were dire due to his gimmick, Austin's always been pretty solid and one of the best talkers ever.

[Nicky Fives]

almost too close to call..... gotta go Austin.....

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Tough choice, could've gone either way. In the end I just panicked and clicked on Austin.

[Rammsteinmad]

Tough round. Reluctantly went with Austin. Undertaker has had an amazing, legendary career, but nothing can beat those few years of Austin when he was on top, just so incredibly entertaining and great at what he did.

[Rammsteinmad]

Well, when I say 'nothing', I mean there are some things I enjoyed more, but nothing that I can think of that came from the Undertaker.

[Shisen Kopf]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y3gBoYnbeFk/SOrMPnLo4PI/AAAAAAAABAo/E-X6eV7yS-8/s400/StoneColdFinger.jpg

[Shisen Kopf]

Also, stop being nitwits. Austin is the guy that made the WWF popular again during the attitude era. And to a lesser extent DX. I like the Undertaker but he's not a draw like SCSA was. During the mid 90s when Bret and Taker were the two big draws the WWF was pretty awful and WCW owned them. Plus UT loses points for bringing that troll faced Sarah to the WWF back in 01.

[#1-norm-fan]

Not really hard at all. "Stunning" Steve Austin was incredible back in WCW. Then he completely changed up his style, became "Stone Cold" Steve Austin and revolutionized wrestling. It's seriously almost like he was 2 different people and both were perfect at what they did.

The Undertaker is the greatest gimmick of all time. Take that away and I don't think Mean Mark is getting the chance to put on the best matches of his career with Shawn Michaels in his later years. Kudos to him for putting on some classics post 2000... but Austin blows him away in every category imaginable.

[VSG]

Un-der-ta-ker *clap clap clapclapclap*

[CSL]

lover Taker and he does nothing but cement his legacy the longer he goes which really is phenomenal but it's Steve Austin every single time. Only area Taker really has him beaten is longevity

[Innovator]

Went with Austin. Excuse me, because this tore me apart inside.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Undertaker was around for the good times and the bad, but Austin made the good times greater.

Hard choice, but going with Stone Cold.

(Give Supreme a Kick Wham Stunner for randomly picking this match up.)

[MoFo]

Enjoyed more Taker stuff tbh.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Austin.

I agree that the only thing Taker has over Austin is logevity.

Was there any kind of seeding system for this or was it all drawn at random? This seems like it should be at least a semi final match

[Kane Knight]

I hate you for not liking the same guy I like!

[Blue Demon]

Went with Undertaker on this one....I liked Stone Cold, but enjoyed Taker more.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Undertaker was around for the good times and the bad, but Austin made the good times greater.

Hard choice, but going with Stone Cold.

(Give Supreme a Kick Wham Stunner for randomly picking this match up.)

It is not random. It was chosen by you and the rest of the TPWW Universe.

[Lavel]

I went with Undertaker. I liked him much more then Stone Cold.

[Heisenberg]

Way better match up from the last one. Macho Man demolished Tazz rightfully so.

[mike adamle]

This is tough. Austin did so much as Stone Cold in the WWF/E. Not to mention his technical skill as Stunning Steve in WCW, often being one of the most entertaining on the show while he was there. But Taker's just been around for so long. And he made his streak at WrestleMania more important than the top belt.

[loopydate]

Undertaker. Much as I hated the American Badass gimmick, few wrestlers have ever been able to re-invent themselves so completely, so convincingly, and with as much success as Taker has multiple times over two decades. Austin did it once, but found one aspect of his gimmick that worked and ran it into the ground. Taker was consistently adding things to his act as he got older and now with his career essentially over, he's better than he's ever been. By the end of Austin's career, I shuddered at the sound of glass breaking.

[Destor]

there is nothing random about the match ups. supreme said it rightk tpww has been choosing how this would go down for the past 4 years.

[Pintint]

Austin is the better in ring wrestler, but I couldn't stand him as a face during the McMahon/Austin angle. I also loved Taker's different incarnations through the years, so my vote goes for [teddy long] THE UNDATAKAH! [/long]

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Austin is the better in ring wrestler, but I couldn't stand him as a face during the McMahon/Austin angle.

what

[whiteyford]

The guy wants to fuck a dragon...dunno what you expect from him really.

[Emperor Smeat]

Stone Cold.

Taker has the longevity and the Mania streak but Austin helped revolutionize an era and played a big part in the Monday Night Wars.

This match is already closer than the one these two had in another tournament recently :shifty:

[Lock Jaw]

I say I didn't like Austin as a face and people don't say anything. Pintint says he didn't like him as a face, and he gets shit on.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I didn't read your post I guess. Well you fucking suck too.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Douche.

[xBSAx]

Taker

[Kane Knight]

Austin is the better in ring wrestler

lolwot

[Nicky Fives]

kinda surprised that Taker is still winning......

[Tazz Dan]

Why?

[XCaliber]

Undertaker since he's made an impact in two eras of WWE Austin was more of a flash in the pan you have to admit.

[Destor]

Undertaker since he's made an impact in two eras of WWE Austin was more of a flash in the pan you have to admit.
Yeah he was more of a fad. Taker is closer to a dynasty.

[#1-norm-fan]

How is Taker winning right now... What the H...

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I think he's winning cuz Supreme chose to use a kewl picture of him.

[Lock Jaw]

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Austin will REST. IN. PIECES. :mad:

[Lock Jaw]

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[loopydate]

I say I didn't like Austin as a face and people don't say anything. Pintint says he didn't like him as a face, and he gets shit on.

[#1-norm-fan]

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[#1-norm-fan]

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[loopydate]

Well, yeah. Ricky Steamboat might be the only guy in history who could have helped Gonzalez to a watchable match.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well, yeah. Ricky Steamboat might be the only guy in history who could have helped Gonzalez to a watchable match.

HBK could have done it. But that's a discussion for an upcoming Best Wrestler.

[Emperor Smeat]

Whie era of HBK though since probably not with the HBK of early to mid 90s era but easily possibly with the HBK of the later years (mid 2000s till retirement).

[Kane Knight]

Austin was a great draw for a few years, but Taker's been a staple for like two decades, much of which he's put asses in seats consistently, got some of the most consistent pops, and had some incredible matches. I have problems with the total laziness he often shows, and other niggling bits, but the Undertaker has been a top-tier wrestler and one of the workhorses of wrestling for almost as long as Mark's had the monicker.

Austin may have made the Attitude Era, but Undertaker was a huge hand in it. Not to mention both before and after.

Personally, I think that's why Taker's winning. I know it's why I voted for him. I loved watching Austin come in and wreck shit, and I probably like him more than the Undertaker in a lot of respects, but....

[Malfeitor]

What Mr. Kane Knight said.

[Shisen Kopf]

I agree with what Kane knight said but those few years of Stone Cold were far bigger than anything the Undertaker did. Ordinarily I would pretty much vote for the Undertaker against most other rasslers but Stone Cold is on par with Hogan as they transcend rasslin and are rasslin gods!

[itsmeJD]

I chose Austin. I don't feel like this is a very difficult decision. Austin was a better wrestler, a bigger draw, better on the mic, and didn't have a 2 hour entrance. The Undertaker "being around forever" isn't saying much of anything. Austin's run at the top changed the direction of the company, while the Undertaker has been involved in multiple eras of Wrestlecrap. Yes, he has had some epic matches at the last 4 Wrestlemanias, but lets not forget for every Shawn Michaels/Triple H classic, there were the Kama/Mabel/King Kong Bundy/Kamala/Giant Gonzales shitfests. I know some people prefer him, but I think Austin is easily the choice here.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

You can't really blame Taker for being put up against those guys though. He was constantly put up against big useless giants because of his own size and they needed to make it seem as though they were a threat to him, especially during the 80's and early 90's when wrestlers were still much more similar to cartoon or comic book characters than "sportsmen".

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Although you can probably blame him for getting a bit out of shape and lazy during the American Bad Ass phase.

[itsmeJD]

You can't really blame Taker for being put up against those guys though. He was constantly put up against big useless giants because of his own size and they needed to make it seem as though they were a threat to him, especially during the 80's and early 90's when wrestlers were still much more similar to cartoon or comic book characters than "sportsmen".

True, but it was detrimental in terms of match quality and feud quality. Unless Austin/Rock was feuding with him he was relegated to secondary feuds. Don't get me wrong, he's been a staple since 1990, but being around (as seems to be the reasoning of some) shouldn't put you on a pedestal with those who've had the influence of an Austin, Rock, DX, Hogan (as much as I hate admitting it). He also WAS in pretty shit shape during the ABA phase, which I also never enjoyed.

I believe Undertaker the character is definitely a legend, and Mark a deserving one, but to say he's better than Austin I think is a bit off.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

What an exciting matchup!

[Kane Knight]

Austin was a better wrestler, a bigger draw, better on the mic, and didn't have a 2 hour entrance.

lol

[CSL]

not sure why you find the idea of Steve Austin being a "better wrestler"/worker so funny but ok

[Immortal Moose]

Very close for me but Austin is probably my favorite wrestler of all time so he edges out the Undertaker.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'm loving the feel of this thread right now. Good job, guys.

I was pretty much entertained by Austin from Stunning to Stone Cold, right up until the end of his WWE run where he was relentlessly stale and clearly unmotivated.

I've never been a big Undertaker fan. His feuds back in the day were abysmal. I may get crucified for this, but I preferred him as Booger Red to pretty much anything else he did...OK, the Ministry days were kinda cool, but I still wasn't really feeling him much then. I respect him and what he's done for the industry, and he has definitely had some fantastic matches in his twilight years, but I don't know if anything will be enough to erase my shitty memories of him.

Especially when he's up against Steve fucking Austin.

[itsmeJD]

I'm loving the feel of this thread right now. Good job, guys.

I was pretty much entertained by Austin from Stunning to Stone Cold, right up until the end of his WWE run where he was relentlessly stale and clearly unmotivated.

I've never been a big Undertaker fan. His feuds back in the day were abysmal. I may get crucified for this, but I preferred him as Booger Red to pretty much anything else he did...OK, the Ministry days were kinda cool, but I still wasn't really feeling him much then. I respect him and what he's done for the industry, and he has definitely had some fantastic matches in his twilight years, but I don't know if anything will be enough to erase my shitty memories of him.

Especially when he's up against Steve fucking Austin.

Amen, minus all that Booger Red stuff (hated that fucking nickname btw).

[whiteyford]

I enjoyed the big evil schtick so much more than the 'ooooo i'm a bit emo ain't I' stuff honestly.

[MoFo]

Austin's kinda like Punk in that he had that period as a badass where he blew up then got lahme and watered down.

He was class in '97 doing all his rebel shit and then got kinda shit after the Tyson stuff. I mean if Sheamus was to brogue kick the GM every week ppl would say hes stale and shit, but thats all Austin did for liek 3 yrs. Stunner to Vince Stunner to Vince Stunner to Vince

[CSL]

yah but it was brand new back then

[itsmeJD]

and it sold out across the country for 3 years.

[itsmeJD]

I enjoyed the big evil schtick so much more than the 'ooooo i'm a bit emo ain't I' stuff honestly.

You sir should go figgity fizuck yourself. ;)

[whiteyford]

There's only so many times he can go 'I'm a bit spooky' before it gets a bit stale.

[itsmeJD]

Austin's kinda like Punk in that he had that period as a badass where he blew up then got lahme and watered down.

He was class in '97 doing all his rebel shit and then got kinda shit after the Tyson stuff. I mean if Sheamus was to brogue kick the GM every week ppl would say hes stale and shit, but thats all Austin did for liek 3 yrs. Stunner to Vince Stunner to Vince Stunner to Vince

You could also argue that Undertaker did the same schtick from 1990-1995...no-sell, no-sell, no-sell, old-school, chokeslam, tombstone. The only thing that changed it was that fat fuck Mabel leg-dropping his face requiring him to look like a faggy phantom of the opera.

[itsmeJD]

There's only so many times he can go 'I'm a bit spooky' before it gets a bit stale.

For the record, I'd pay money to see the Undertaker say those exact words....

[whiteyford]

It would just come across as a Twilight gimmick..,:-\

[Heisenberg]

Had to fuckin' Harvey Dent Two Face in a suit coin toss it up for this one.

This has been a poll to remember, these two colossal icons going head to head.

[itsmeJD]

It would just come across as a Twilight gimmick..,:-\

Such a pessimist...

[MoFo]

Austin never 'evolved' tho.

Taker went from the slow boring ass Khali style to a pretty high tempo diverse guy who could have great matches with anyone.

Can you srsly give me that many brilliant Austin matches, because I am struggling.

Anyway shush guys Taker is better ok.

[MoFo]

@itsmejd

[Anybody Thrilla]

In my head:

Austin = Blood from a Stone at WM13, Bang 3:16, Hollywood Blondes, Jesus Christ Superstar, Pillman's Gun, a ton of other dope shit

Undertaker = Kama melted my urn into a chain, King Kong Bundy is fat and angry, Yokozuna is fat and angry, Kamala is fat and scared but his trainers are angry, Giant Gonzalez is TALL and angry, and a ton of other wack shit

[CSL]

Austin never 'evolved' tho.

Taker went from the slow boring ass Khali style to a pretty high tempo diverse guy who could have great matches with anyone.

Can you srsly give me that many brilliant Austin matches, because I am struggling.

Anyway shush guys Taker is better ok.

Austin is the definition of successfully evolving in pro wrestling

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[itsmeJD]

Austin never 'evolved' tho.

Taker went from the slow boring ass Khali style to a pretty high tempo diverse guy who could have great matches with anyone.

Can you srsly give me that many brilliant Austin matches, because I am struggling.

Anyway shush guys Taker is better ok.

I think ABT answered a bit with some of his examples. Austin was originally Stunning in WCW, and while a mid-card act allowed his wrestling to showcase his abilities (see Austin/Steamboat, and even Austin/Rhodes feud over U.S. title). He then was a Hollywood Blond with Pillman which showcased his skills as a tag wrestler (Blondes/Douglas/Steamboat, also quick feud with Horsemen). He sucked as Ringmaster I will admit, but the Stone Cold character evolved a number of times, but they were subtle evolutions. (An example would be the comedic "Stone Cold" during the Invasion Angle. The reason Austin didn't have to change is because a change wasn't always needed. The shit sold.

Undertaker evolved because his shit DID get old and he had to change it up to remain relevant/interesting.

<b>Taker went from the slow boring ass Khali style to a pretty high tempo diverse guy who could have great matches with anyone.</b>

This comment here isn't true. His matches with Batista sucked ass. I can't begin to count the shitty matches/feuds Taker has had. He's had great matches in the last 4 years....4.....with 2 opponents. I'll admit he's improved in that his character change allowed him to expand his move-set, but even as "Booger Red" can you say he carried Nathan Jones, Albert, Big Show to passable matches? Khali?

[itsmeJD]

Thanks CSL for the images, you and ABT are greatly appreciated.

[itsmeJD]

Also, I don't want anyone to misconstrue my criticism as hate. I commend the Undertaker for remaining relevant and evolving his character. I am an Undertaker fan and honestly look forward to Wrestlemania to seeing him perform. I also believe his longevity is amazingly impressive, however, to say that Undertaker is better than Austin in terms of mic skills, wrestling, angles/feuds, relevance to the industry, etc is simply not true.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Kinda want to change my answer now because I just listened to Undertaker's Ministry theme.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That theme was pretty sexy, but I still remember how much I loved Austin's theme when I first heard it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Had to fuckin' Harvey Dent Two Face in a suit coin toss it up for this one.

This has been a poll to remember, these two colossal icons going head to head.

And it's only the second matchup! What else is gonna happen in this tournament?! I can barely contain my excitement!!!!!!!


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!¡¡!¡!¡

[Destor]

this thread is why i love Better Wrestler <3

[Kane Knight]

not sure why you find the idea of Steve Austin being a "better wrestler"/worker so funny but ok

Better at wrestling? Maybe before his injury, but since that's hardly the period people fawn over, so whatever.

Better worker? Well, that wasn't said, but I've explained many times that I feel workrate is bullshit largely tossed around arbitrarily. You don't have to agree, but please don't pull a Noid on me.

[CSL]

lol I'm not about to Noid anything, I was just wondering why since you pointed it out twice quite "mockingly" when it's quite a valid opinion to have

[DAMN iNATOR]

Undertaker by a very, very, very infinitesimally small margin here. Taker's 20-0 WM streak seals it for me though.

[Destor]

I've stated how i judge things before but for the sake of the thread i'll give my 2¢:

for me the subject of better always has to start with who made the most money. Once you get onto the topic of guys who have drawn similar money over their career then things like workrate mic work etc etc etc come back into play.

With Taker vs Austin its not even close. Austin drew insane numbers... for about 2 years. Then he just got stale for the masses and people stopped paying for him like they had been. Taker however is a massive part of whyWRESTLE MANIA draws like it does. A large portion of its success is because of him EVERY YEAR. I would go as far to say that bulk of all revenue Mania has ever pulled in is thanks to practicaly only two people. The Undertaker and Hulk Hogan.

Taker is with out question the greatest special attractions of all time. Steve Austins GREAT 2 year run cant even come close to touching the money drawn by Taker, or many others. So work rate and such for me doesnt even come into play. Taker is better by making poeple spend more money on him.

Now if you want to go into stuff like work rate i would say Taker and Austin are on par when they're both at the top of their games. (Takers obviously improved with time while austin degraded.) Taker Prolly has a few more historic matches at this point but only by 3 or so. They both spin great promos and have two of the strongest gimmicks of all time. Neither guy ever really made any stars so i think that tally would be a wash. Taker made Kane....bewteeen the two of them thats really the one guy i can think that was established thanks to either man giving the rub. so if you took money out of it...i might have tp say its a draw.

Both are great, but Taker edges this out for me by a whole lot because money matters, if austin hadnt been a flash in the pan this MIGHT be a different story. MIGHT. Because Takers run in the buisness is truely elite. There are only a small number of people who have had success like he has had and steve austin is far and away not one of them.

[Keith]

After Hulk Hogan, no other wrestler carried the world of professional wrestling on his shoulder, except Stone Cold.

Undertaker never carried the industry of professional wrestling as a whole.

You can even say that were it not for Stone Cold, WWF may never have beaten WCW in the ratings war.

Hell, who knows if WWE would even exist today.

[Destor]

After Hulk Hogan, no other wrestler carried the world of professional wrestling on his shoulder, except Stone Cold.

Undertaker never carried the industry of professional wrestling as a whole.

You can even say that were it not for Stone Cold, WWF may never have beaten WCW in the ratings war.

Hell, who knows if WWE would even exist today.
it was a good 2 years but come on, you cant compair that to hogan.

[Keith]

Many people who are in the wrestling business say Steve Austin's run was larger than Hulkamania, even Vince McMahon.

It was a critical time in wrestling.

And I'm sure it's more than 2 years.

[Destor]

Many people who are in the wrestling business say Steve Austin's run was larger than Hulkamania, even Vince McMahon.

It was a critical time in wrestling.

And I'm sure it's more than 2 years.
No its really not. 97 to 99. Then the floor fell out. And unlike hogan it wasnt just Austin. Vince gets every bit of the credit Austin gets as a preformer. DX gets some too. The Rock as well. And Taker.

[Destor]

cant forget foley either

[Keith]

It wasn't just Hogan either.

It was Roddy Piper, it was Randy Savage, it was Ultimate Warrior, etc.

[Destor]

Warrior was at the end of Hogans run as top draw he really doesnt count. Hogan was at his peak from 83-90. I gladly give Piper all the credit in the world and Dibiase as well. But Hogan drew with every fat slob they put him in the ring with where Austin and the Attitude era was about the whole "cast" if you will. Back then it was about one guy. and that was Hogan.

[Destor]

and we cant leave out 96-99 where Hogan was drawing huge then too.

[#1-norm-fan]

not sure why you find the idea of Steve Austin being a "better wrestler"/worker so funny but ok

Seriously. I didn't even think the people voting for Taker were basing it on in-ring skill.

[#1-norm-fan]

Austin never 'evolved' tho.

... WHAT!?!?

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh. I see CSL already covered my reaction in much more depth. Good job CSL.

[MoFo]

Austin is the definition of successfully evolving in pro wrestling

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R U Srs

Ok he went from a jobber tag team to WWE but all those other pics hes the exact same character.....apart from saying WAT.

IDK man he's really dull IMO

[#1-norm-fan]

"Jobber tag team to WWE"

You're not really familiar with his WCW run, are you?

[Destor]

Austin takes the lead with over a day to go? gonna be a tense 24 hours i think.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Warrior was at the end of Hogans run as top draw he really doesnt count. Hogan was at his peak from 83-90. I gladly give Piper all the credit in the world and Dibiase as well. But Hogan drew with every fat slob they put him in the ring with where Austin and the Attitude era was about the whole "cast" if you will. Back then it was about one guy. and that was Hogan.

OK, for one: to say back then it was about one guy IS an exaggeration, not a massive one admittedly, but an exaggeration none the less.

But the main thing I disagree with is the attitude era comment. c'mon even if you read back on it you'd disagree. It was all Austin. What you're doing there is not only blaming austin for having a better supporting cast, but also blaming Austin for being more beat up then Hogan is.

[Destor]

OK, for one: to say back then it was about one guy IS an exaggeration, not a massive one admittedly, but an exaggeration none the less.

But the main thing I disagree with is the attitude era comment. c'mon even if you read back on it you'd disagree. It was all Austin. What you're doing there is not only blaming austin for having a better supporting cast, but also blaming Austin for being more beat up then Hogan is.
Like i said giving credit to Piper and dibiase is fair. even Slaughters baby work for the companies B circut during the early and mid 80s. But out side of that...it was one guy. (and just so we're clear...i deeply hate hogan but credit where its due and such.)

The majority of truimphs in ratings for the fed over WCW were in segments that had DX and mic foley. And i still contend austin was only a mega star in the buisness when fueding with Vince. and out side of that he was "just" the most over guy in the buisness...not a pop culture icon ala hogan.

[Destor]

..any way..this really shouldnt be about hogan...

[Kane Knight]

lol I'm not about to Noid anything, I was just wondering why since you pointed it out twice quite "mockingly" when it's quite a valid opinion to have

One I find hilarious.

[#1-norm-fan]

You shouldn't. Taker had a pretty boring typical "big man" style for the majority of his career. Now he wrestles one ridiculously hyped 30+ minute match a year against Shawn Michaels or Triple H and people think he's the be all end all of in ring competitors.

Granted, he's had some great matches with Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar but Austin was consistently great from his WCW run on. Even after completely changing his style. Austin was actually able to carry matches. Taker was never able to do that.

[Lock Jaw]

Never really thought of Austin as carrying a match before.

Have thought of Taker that way.

Thus, I disagree.

[Volare]

Went with Undertaker.

The man changed personas and flipped from heel to face to heel to face and still garnered respect from the wrestling fan base. Made countless of wrestlers bigger, and is still a top draw to this day.

Austin yes I love, but after the first heel turn it turned into whiny bitchy heel #32409 who cheated his ass off (yes I know, heel tactics 101 whatever) and after he turned heel, with the exception of Kurt Angle, no one really stood as a "challenge" to him.

His neck is honestly is what kept him from his true potential. After the 97 accident he was pretty much limited to what he could do, while Taker with his age to this day can still pull off the 1 or 2 big spots that no fan would see coming.

[Kane Knight]

You shouldn't. Taker had a pretty boring typical "big man" style for the majority of his career. Now he wrestles one ridiculously hyped 30+ minute match a year against Shawn Michaels or Triple H and people think he's the be all end all of in ring competitors.

Granted, he's had some great matches with Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar but Austin was consistently great from his WCW run on. Even after completely changing his style. Austin was actually able to carry matches. Taker was never able to do that.

Okay, but seriously now.

[Kane Knight]

His neck is honestly is what kept him from his true potential. After the 97 accident he was pretty much limited to what he could do, while Taker with his age to this day can still pull off the 1 or 2 big spots that no fan would see coming.

Evidently not, since Austin can still carry matches while Undertaker is just a boring big man who puts on one good match a year.

[Destor]

*pops for the tied poll* hot match

[#1-norm-fan]

Evidently not, since Austin can still carry matches while Undertaker is just a boring big man who puts on one good match a year.

lol

[#1-norm-fan]

It's like a little kid when a parent takes one toy away and then the kid pouts and when someone asks him why he's pouting he just says "Because mom and dad said I can't play with any of my toys anymore."

[Kane Knight]

It's like a little kid when a parent takes one toy away and then the kid pouts and when someone asks him why he's pouting he just says "Because mom and dad said I can't play with any of my toys anymore."

Yes, in a thread where people have been like "fuck you" and "you're stupid" for not voting the same way as them, the one where I casually mock the concept of Austin being able to carry anything more than a couple beers is the one that draws ire.

[RiX1024]

Taker it is.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yes, in a thread where people have been like "fuck you" and "you're stupid" for not voting the same way as them, the one where I casually mock the concept of Austin being able to carry anything more than a couple beers is the one that draws ire.

It's probably just more to do with the fact that you're not actually discussing your opinion, but just making arrogant little condesceding remarks. I'm sure if you actually put forward something that can actually be considered a "discussion" about why you don't think Austin is as good in the ring as Taker and didn't just act like your opinion was fact, nobodoy would've batted an eyelid at your posts.

You made another mocking post earlier in the thread along the lines of "I hate you for not liking the guy I like" but so far I think you're the only person who has in any way acted in a "I'm right, you're wrong" manner really.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

This is the best one EVER. It's now 37 - 37!

THIS IS SO TENSE IT'S AWESOME.

I still think Austin should win

[Kane Knight]

It's probably just more to do with the fact that you're not actually discussing your opinion, but just making arrogant little condesceding remarks.

Yes, as opposed to the "fuck you" attitude for choosing someone other than the guy you like, which is totally discussing it. Oh, right.

Iggy, I have discussed it. If you're rocking an extra chromosome and missed it, that's not really my problem. If you're the kind of retard who believes that there is any merit to "discussing" the opinion of "Austin carries matches," that's not really my problem either. But seriously, come on.

Actually, no. Continue inferring arrogance. Get your ass chapped like WWF fan. Whine about big bad Kane Knight. Whatever makes you feel better.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

somebody's cranky this morning

[itsmeJD]

Yeah, I didn't take offense to it. Kane Knight has a right to his opinion, regardless of whether I think it's wrong. Just believe Undertaker's body of work is weaker than Austin's, and that is WITH Austin's neck injury. I also don't agree that Undertaker made more money for WWE than Austin...that comment, not sure who made it, is laughable.

[MoFo]

I dont see how Austin has had more good matches than Taker.....

I seriously couldn't tell you 10 great Austin matches. If Taker is a boring ass big man then Austin must be a shitty ass brawler with 3 moves of doom.

[itsmeJD]

What would you consider a great Taker match other than the 4 where he wrestled once a year, just curious.

[loopydate]

Angle @ No Way Out
The Royal Rumble he won (best closing sequence in the match's history)
Jeff Hardy ladder match
The first Hell In A Cell

[itsmeJD]

Thanks loopy. I've not seen the Rumble he won for whatever reason, agree on the other 3.

[itsmeJD]

I dont see how Austin has had more good matches than Taker.....

I seriously couldn't tell you 10 great Austin matches. If Taker is a boring ass big man then Austin must be a shitty ass brawler with 3 moves of doom.

Austin vs. Bret (SS)
Austin vs. Bret (WM 13)
Austin vs. Rock (WM 17)
Austin vs. Angle (Summerslam 01)
Hollywood Blondes vs. Flair/Arn (Clash)
Hollywood Blondes vs Ricky Steamboat/Shane Douglas(Tag Title Match)
Steve Austin vs. Dude Love - (Over The Edge 1998)
Steve Austin vs. Triple H - (No Way Out 2001)
Austin vs. Michaels (KOTR)
Austin vs. Steamboat (Clash of the Champions 1994)

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Taker had pretty good-to-great matches with Orton, Edge, Punk and "even" Batista over the Heavyweight title as well to name a few.

[Ruien]

Really, why do people always try to compare who made more money? And then post their great matches. Sure some of the matches had hype but no one knew they would be classics BEFORE the event happened. All those classic matches do is help with dvd sales.........

Undertaker was a big part of the attitude era too. Lets not forget that.

[itsmeJD]

Right, he was, but people paid to see Austin. Austin was the face of the Attitude era. The same can't be said for the Dead Man. The Undertaker was majority 2nd fiddle with the exception of when he was feuding WITH Austin.

Also, I posted the list of matches because Mofo was asking about great Austin matches, hence the reply.

[Kane Knight]

I dont see how Austin has had more good matches than Taker.....

I seriously couldn't tell you 10 great Austin matches. If Taker is a boring ass big man then Austin must be a shitty ass brawler with 3 moves of doom.

Man, you so arrogant!

[Kane Knight]

somebody's cranky this morning

Someone's inferring out of convenience this morning.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Austin's winning!

[Lock Jaw]

I always just go with whichever wrestler has provided me with the most entertainment. Which in this case is Taker by a landslide.

[Ruien]

Right, he was, but people paid to see Austin. Austin was the face of the Attitude era. The same can't be said for the Dead Man. The Undertaker was majority 2nd fiddle with the exception of when he was feuding WITH Austin.

Also, I posted the list of matches because Mofo was asking about great Austin matches, hence the reply.

It was not targeted at you. In general people seem to compare matches to drawing power. It makes no sense truthfully.

[CSL]

what

[Ruien]

When people compare to who drew more money they tend to go on their "classic" matches.

[CSL]

I can't say I've ever noticed that

[#1-norm-fan]

Yes, as opposed to the "fuck you" attitude for choosing someone other than the guy you like, which is totally discussing it. Oh, right.

Iggy, I have discussed it. If you're rocking an extra chromosome and missed it, that's not really my problem. If you're the kind of retard who believes that there is any merit to "discussing" the opinion of "Austin carries matches," that's not really my problem either. But seriously, come on.

Actually, no. Continue inferring arrogance. Get your ass chapped like WWF fan. Whine about big bad Kane Knight. Whatever makes you feel better.

:lol:

"Nuh-uh!"

Guys, stop the discussion. Kane Knight just replied with the brilliant nail in the coffin... "Agree with me or you're a retard".

You people who say "Fuck you" for disagreeing are just annoying assholes though. Atleast put together a coherent thought like "You're a retard".

[Nicky Fives]

this is a tight one.....

[MoFo]

Guys I didnt wanna do this but Austin beats his wife, Taker doesnt

[itsmeJD]

Just because he hasn't been caught doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[Pintint]

The guy wants to fuck a dragon...dunno what you expect from him really.

Expect great things :wave:

[CSL]

Guys I didnt wanna do this but Austin beats his wife, Taker doesnt

whatttt, Taker is far far worse, he publicly piledrives other men's widows

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[itsmeJD]

Not to mention kidnapping his bosses daughter...a felony...

[#1-norm-fan]

lol That change in facial expression at :59.

[stultiloquy]

I always just go with whichever wrestler has provided me with the most entertainment. Which in this case is Taker by a landslide.

That's the case for me as well.
There's no denying Austin was brilliant during the Attitude Era, but beyond that his work didn't do much for me.

However, that aside, I voted for 'Taker because he was always the one constant in WWE.
While guys like Austin were key in WWE surviving and thriving during integral moments, they really just provided that brief shot in the arm, while 'Taker was the backbone that kept the company standing.

Yes, Undertaker has had some awful matches, but that was largely due to the people he was placed in the ring with.
People cite matches with wrestlers like Kamala and Giant Gonzales are reasons why 'Taker's legacy is a bit rough around the edges, but who could possibly have a good match with opponents of that caliber?
Undetaker was booked in those matches not only because he was a 'big man', but he's the one who could carry those guys through the finish, and the fans would still pay to see him do so.

[Destor]

HOLY CRAP

[Destor]

hadn't figured for a tie in this....really dunno how to handle...SO SOMEONE VOTE PLEASE

[Indifferent Clox]

holy shit.

[#1-norm-fan]

I can't log in to my old "secret account" so we're gonna have to leave it up to someone else.

[Destor]

hot match up right here

[Indifferent Clox]

Woot. who did that?

[Destor]

hell if i know

[simplythevest]

Taker better thank me his memoirs

[#1-norm-fan]

Alright, whose sock is that?

[Indifferent Clox]

Dunno. Awesome screen name though.

[simplythevest]

No more a sock than anyone. Just wasn't logged in and viewing.

[Destor]

looking at his post history i dont think he's a sock tbh

[Supreme Olajuwon]

bunch of voters in this with > 20 posts but they all look legit to me

[Destor]

i guess i could run an IP...but really over the past YEARS how many socks have voted in this? NOT ABOUT TO CALL THIS WHOLE THINGS CREDIBILITY INTO QUESTION NOW.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

just Gertner's socks and they're obvious

[#1-norm-fan]

Now I really wish I could remember my sock password.

[itsmeJD]

Fucking bullshit...the credibility of this poll I am calling into question. Bollocks I say, bollocks!

[Destor]

TIED AGAIN

[itsmeJD]

Let's go Austin! *clap clap clap clap clap*

[Supreme Olajuwon]

next round has no chance of living up to these standards :(

[Destor]

The bar is high! but i expect it to make some people really scratch their heads for a moment.

[itsmeJD]

Wolfman hasn't posted since May, has 11 posts total, and votes Taker....investigation is needed.

[Destor]

i think this is going to be a long hour

[Supreme Olajuwon]

i think this is going to be a long hour

To help you pass the time:


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[Destor]

Wolfman hasn't posted since May, has 11 posts total, and votes Taker....investigation is needed.
honestly i think we're getting some socks and a lot of lurkers voting on this.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3sfa60izd1qgmo5fo1_1280.jpg

[itsmeJD]

Yeah, which is pretty shit, but I didn't expect shit to be fair soooooo...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

possibly the greatest facial expression (non-Vince division) in wrestling history

[Destor]

is that their first or second mania match supreme? I've never seen one of them...possibly his last...yeah i think thats right.

[itsmeJD]

Even supreme is swaying votes, putting up one of the 4 epic taker matches....

[Supreme Olajuwon]

is that their first or second mania match supreme? I've never seen one of them...possibly his last...yeah i think thats right.

first

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Even supreme is swaying votes, putting up one of the 4 epic taker matches....

To help you pass the time:

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[Destor]

ah...well still many thanks for that rasslin :heart:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://shadoka.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/wrestlemania13_feature.jpg

[Supreme Olajuwon]

possibly the greatest facial expression (non-Vince division) in wrestling history

[itsmeJD]

Good deal...

[Destor]

i like what you did there

[itsmeJD]

Supreme, who would u vote?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Still not sure.

[itsmeJD]

U can vote correct?

[Destor]

one more vote for austin and you might get to decide this whole thing yourself.

[#1-norm-fan]

This is intense!

[#1-norm-fan]

Call this competition "campers" because it's INTENSE!!!

[itsmeJD]

We need Austin fans in this bitch

[Destor]

This is intense!yeah there is no way i can go to bed yet lol

[#1-norm-fan]

I changed my comment to a campy joke. Please adapt.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

U can vote correct?

yeah I usually vote

just haven't decided who to vote for yet

feel like Austin's peak was better than Taker's peak
but Taker's got the longevity
also think Taker at his very best is probably better than Austin at his very best
but Taker has a lot of shit on his resume as well
can't remember too many Austin stinkers
can name plenty of Taker stinkers
but Taker/HBK is better than anything Austin ever did

so I don't know

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. "campy" joke.

[Destor]

I changed my comment to a campy joke. Please adapt.l just go add your post back then ADAPT TO THAT

yeah I usually vote

just haven't decided who to vote for yet

feel like Austin's peak was better than Taker's peak
but Taker's got the longevity
also think Taker at his very best is probably better than Austin at his very best
but Taker has a lot of shit on his resume as well
can't remember too many Austin stinkers
can name plenty of Taker stinkers
but Taker/HBK is better than anything Austin ever did

so I don't know damn hard round

[itsmeJD]

yeah I usually vote

just haven't decided who to vote for yet

feel like Austin's peak was better than Taker's peak (easily)
but Taker's got the longevity (he's been part time for years now though, Austin didn't have this option as he was THE GUY)
also think Taker at his very best is probably better than Austin at his very best(disagree wholly)
but Taker has a lot of shit on his resume as well (by far!)
can't remember too many Austin stinkers (there weren't many)
can name plenty of Taker stinkers ( see above)
but Taker/HBK is better than anything Austin ever did (that was just as much HBK than Taker, can't give him total credit)

so I don't know

[Destor]

suck on that number one double u double u eff fan!

[#1-norm-fan]

Steve Austin SUCKS EGGS

[Destor]

Steve Austin SUCKS EGGSwell i think taker is better and all but thats a bit much

[#1-norm-fan]

NO!

[Destor]

well hate on the guy if you want but i want no part of it :o

[#1-norm-fan]

This is outrageous

[Supreme Olajuwon]

really unnecessary cheap shot there, #1-wwf-fan

[Destor]

this was supposed to be a civil debate...i've lost all faith in this community :nono:

[#1-norm-fan]

Only Austin winning can cancel out the abuse of power taking place right now!

[Destor]

WITH 30 MIN TO GO WE HAVE A TIE

[Supreme Olajuwon]

gotta go with Austin

sorry Takes :'(

[Destor]

AMAZING MATCH

[itsmeJD]

Prolly shoulda held it to the end.

[#1-norm-fan]

Woah! Who was the 2nd Austin vote???

[itsmeJD]

Hornicane voted austin

[#1-norm-fan]

THIS IS THE GREATEST NIGHT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR... BEST WRESTLER POLLS!

[Heisenberg]

Hornicane voted austin

I read that with J.R.'s voice in my head, HORNICANE VOTED AUSTIN! HORNICANE VOTED AUSTIN!

[itsmeJD]

BAH GAWD THAT SON OF A BITCH VOTED AUSTIN!

[#1-norm-fan]

GOOD GAWD ALMIGHTY!

[itsmeJD]

UNDERTAKER MAY BE BROKEN IN HALF! WHAT....A....SLOBBERKNOCKER!

[Destor]

15 remain.

[itsmeJD]

This is Awesome! *clap clap clap clap clap*

[Destor]

one of the best matches since austins HOF match against Hart.

[#1-norm-fan]

one of the best matches since austins HOF match against Hart.

How'd THAT ONE go??

[Heisenberg]

AUSTIN PASSES TAKER! WHAT THE HELL!!! FOLKS! WE'LL BE BACK AFTER OUR COMMERCIAL BREAK, DAMMIT

[Destor]

How'd THAT ONE go??

austin by 1 in the final seconds. was INSANITY.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Taker vs. Flair was also super epic

[#1-norm-fan]

It's not over! The world is watching!

[Destor]

therems been some damn good ones...gonna miss this thing

[#1-norm-fan]

Andre... the Gian-WRESTLEMANIA!

[Destor]

there's been some damn good ones...gonna miss this thing

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I can't take the waiting. I'm going to the fridge for a soda. Does anybody else want a soda?

[#1-norm-fan]

I kinda do

[Destor]

DID I HEAR MYSELF SAY 3 MINITS?

[#1-norm-fan]

TIIIIIIIIIME!

[itsmeJD]

Fucking cool king....fucking fucking fucker

[CSL]

Cool King is so Scottish

[Destor]

ah fuck

[itsmeJD]

I knew that shit was coming because he kept popping his head in and out....that's what she said.

[stultiloquy]

BAH GAWD! IT'S A TIE!!!!!
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[#1-norm-fan]

What the fuck. Cool King with the late vote.

[Cool King]

Cool King is so Scottish

http://i.imgur.com/m58bI.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

http://i.imgur.com/m58bI.gif

lol. I wish you would have just posted that and only that right after voting at 8:59.